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BRKG Terrorism? Huge explosion in Paris; many injured
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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroe View Post
    Agree.
    Prayers for France.

    MzKitty, thanks for posting the reports.
    I concur. Thank you MzKitty.

    No matter the reason, those poor people are up against a mighty trial to begin with and I pray they don't give up!

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    FWIW, when I lived in South Africa bombs were fairly common in Johannesburg. You'd be walking down the street or sitting in a pub when you'd hear the deep boom and maybe feel the ground shake a bit. A couple of decades later the bombings became common in Europe. Bombings are still pretty rare in the US but don't doubt that it's coming here, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Maybe, but the story is that people smelled gas and called the fire dept., which is why they are on scene. Two firefighters died, so what did they do, open some gas pipes wider while trying to shut them off? Here, on all 911 and gas calls, everybody shows up (as for all calls), and the gas company. They're not saying any gas company employees were there. How big are gas pipes in bakeries anyway? It all still seems hinky, nonetheless.
    Even moderately skilled terrs and all special forces military people learn to use gas as an improvised explosive. It's fairly easy to do and provides good cover for the operators. Don't assume that every gas explosion is an innocent accident or mistake.

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    That's gonna play havoc with those souffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    What about you? LOL. I had taken a nap earlier and now I can't sleep.

    Itís not a nap that Helen needs.
    Itís Dennis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Maybe, but the story is that people smelled gas and called the fire dept., which is why they are on scene. Two firefighters died, so what did they do, open some gas pipes wider while trying to shut them off? Here, on all 911 and gas calls, everybody shows up (as for all calls), and the gas company. They're not saying any gas company employees were there. How big are gas pipes in bakeries anyway? It all still seems hinky, nonetheless.
    Bakery. Lotsa gas ovens. Light candle in far corner. Break gas line to oven. Leave.
    Fuel source, ignition source, delay timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc1 View Post
    FWIW, when I lived in South Africa bombs were fairly common in Johannesburg. You'd be walking down the street or sitting in a pub when you'd hear the deep boom and maybe feel the ground shake a bit. A couple of decades later the bombings became common in Europe. Bombings are still pretty rare in the US but don't doubt that it's coming here, too.

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    Yeah. I responded to an employee report of a suspicious package last year, the dog checked it out and it turned out to be a false alarm. The employee had grown up as an expat in the Middle East and had had a friend killed by an IED in something as inocuous as a juice carton. What she saw, and where it was, put her in "Ah Crap!" mode. We handled it, no biggie. That being said that we haven't had a real bombing campaign in the US like Europe or the Middle East is at best dumb luck thus far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    Bakery. Lotsa gas ovens. Light candle in far corner. Break gas line to oven. Leave.
    Fuel source, ignition source, delay timer.
    Yup. IIRC just after 9/11 back east there were reports of some similar attempts at such things....
    Last edited by Housecarl; 01-12-2019 at 02:30 PM. Reason: Cleared up grammar

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Maybe, but the story is that people smelled gas and called the fire dept., which is why they are on scene. Two firefighters died, so what did they do, open some gas pipes wider while trying to shut them off? Here, on all 911 and gas calls, everybody shows up (as for all calls), and the gas company. They're not saying any gas company employees were there. How big are gas pipes in bakeries anyway? It all still seems hinky, nonetheless.
    There is way too little information known by the public to make a total determination. But many Rumors fly around during these events. Much of it unreliable. What information that does exist sure seems to suggest an NG explosion to me. The video and pictures seem to support the idea that the fire department was already on scene when the explosion happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    What about you? LOL. I had taken a nap earlier and now I can't sleep.

    Mz Kitty, I found the cure for that, eat 2 pieces of chocolate fudge or a Hershey's dark chocolate candy bar. You will sleep so good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysage View Post
    My thoughts are false flag/deep state terror to quell the yellow vest protests this weekend. Hopefully the French people rally and take to the streets in greater numbers now.
    ^^^This! That was my first thought as well. The yellow vests have been threatening some pretty devastating bank runs recently, and I wonder if this bomb was planted to keep everyone in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    Mz Kitty, I found the cure for that, eat 2 pieces of chocolate fudge or a Hershey's dark chocolate candy bar. You will sleep so good!
    I believe in chocolate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornFree View Post
    There is way too little information known by the public to make a total determination. But many Rumors fly around during these events. Much of it unreliable. What information that does exist sure seems to suggest an NG explosion to me. The video and pictures seem to support the idea that the fire department was already on scene when the explosion happened.
    Unfortunately, that fits with a terror attack just as much as an accidental leak. Either one leaks until an ignition source is found. Terror is more likely in my mind, as gas lines are designed not to be broken easily. Here, at least, new gas lines have features to shut off broken lines or open valves, but may not be required there or may be too old to have been installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    Unfortunately, that fits with a terror attack just as much as an accidental leak. Either one leaks until an ignition source is found. Terror is more likely in my mind, as gas lines are designed not to be broken easily. Here, at least, new gas lines have features to shut off broken lines or open valves, but may not be required there or may be too old to have been installed.
    Considering a LOT of the "infrastructure" in the very Heart of Paris could be 200 years old now. ESPECIALLY gas lines.




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    BreakingNAgency
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    #BREAKING: Officials have identified the two firefighters, who died during the explosion at the bakery in Paris, France as 28-year-old Master Corpral Simon Cartannaz and 27-year-old 1st Class Nathanael Josselin.

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    Prof Ferrada de Noli
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    WAS A BOMB?
    An Italian man who directly witnessed the #Paris explosion, and got wounded, shows "where the bomb was discovered"

    Do observe how quickly the firemen were in place.
    And to whom this explosion benefits, done exactly at the #YellowVest protest day?

    #MacronMustGo #svpol

    Little video, 2 down:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Prof Ferrada de Noli
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    WAS A BOMB?
    An Italian man who directly witnessed the #Paris explosion, and got wounded, shows "where the bomb was discovered"

    Do observe how quickly the firemen were in place.
    And to whom this explosion benefits, done exactly at the #YellowVest protest day?

    #MacronMustGo #svpol

    Little video, 2 down:

    https://twitter.com/ProfessorsBlogg
    That fire pumper appears to be the one that I've seen in other photos that show it being damaged by debris, which would put the vehicle on the street before the explosion, not arriving after it. Was the gas leak legit or did somebody try to do something by setting up an ignition source, breaking a gas line and then leaving the area. who knows. Two young firefighters are dead, other firefighters and civilians are injured. It's still a mess no matter how it happened
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    Video from a guy who lives right across the street.


    ēUn Monde Sans MaÓtreē
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    @UMSM_INFO: Vidťo díun journaliste Italien montrant le KO aprŤs líexplosion a #Paris #cartabianca #Gaz #Feu #Accident #PompiersDeParis

    On top here, 1:26


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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    Bakery. Lotsa gas ovens. Light candle in far corner. Break gas line to oven. Leave.
    Fuel source, ignition source, delay timer.
    They use propane for the ovens.

    Rai 24 last night was reporting that there was an issue w/ a propane gas tank.

    Oh and if one wants to view the protests look at the Rai 24 feed online - going on full strength.
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    I should also point out that while I'm open to this being something other than what is reported; gas leaks are VERY common in Europe especially in Eastern Europe but they happen in the "older" parts of Northern Europe as well.

    Places that were destroyed during WWII tend to have better and more modern infrastructure but London still uses a 19th-century sewage system and a lot of buildings were put up in the early 20th century (all over Northern Europe) that are heated with old gas pipelines.

    Most of the US gas network, at least outside the East Coast is newer and somewhat better maintained - and again except in some older cities; there are not a lot of what are old buildings that were converted to one gas heater system for the entire building.

    I remember some oil setups like that from when I lived in school dorms in the US but not nearly as many old apartment buildings but in Europe it is often standard especially Eastern Europe and Russia.
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    PS - many places in Europe don't even HAVE gas lines but rather the tanks of propane being used at the bakery; one reason we don't have any gas appliance is that you have to have a large gas tank (aka potential bomb) sitting in your back yard that is refilled by a truck every so often and/or uses tiny tanks you place under your stove top like a camping stove (only indoors).

    Dublin has real pipeline gas as do some of the smaller cities but more rural areas do not. They've been saying we will get a pipeline "any day now" for over 20 years.
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