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    California church draws backlash for Bruce Jenner sign - PASTOR FORCED OUT, post 27

    California church draws backlash for sign: ‘Bruce Jenner is still a man’
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    A Northern California church sparked outrage over a sign that read: “Bruce Jenner is still a man. Homosexuality is still sin. The culture may change. The Bible does not."

    Caitlyn Jenner is formerly known as Bruce and revealed in 2015 that she is transgender and has become a woman.

    The church, Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church, is located in Lake Shastina, Calif., which is about an hours’ drive from the Oregon border.

    Protesters gathered in front of the church on Sunday to denounce what they called “hate and slander” and to “show our love and support for the LGBT community,” according to a Facebook page that organized the event.

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    Justin Hoke, the church’s pastor, wrote on Facebook Wednesday that the sign’s Plexiglass had been destroyed and the letters had been stolen.

    The protesters denied having destroyed the sign, The Sacramento Bee reported. Hoke posted a picture on his Facebook Thursday of the sign back up with plaster covering the letters, writing: “It’s not pretty, but it’s back up.”

    Hoke later wrote on Facebook: “If a conservative mountain farming community is no longer a safe place to call sin, sin, then is anywhere in this country still safe for real Christians?” according to The Siskiyou Daily News.

    Another protest against the church’s sign is planned for this Sunday, according to the organizer’s Facebook page.


    https://www.foxnews.com/us/norcal-ch...-homosexuality

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    Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church--?

    Wow, never knew that a presbyterian could have that kind of conservative evangelical "outlook".

    Now, I'd expect this from baptists....LOL
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    Well, the CHristian Church should be a genuine authority on sin, having both practiced and actively hidden it for so many generations.

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    dupe.

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    IF You were born a male you CANNOT BECOME A WOMAN by cutting off your genitals, getting fake breasts implanted and taking hormone shots. You are merely then a mutilated male, pretending that you are a female, and you are insane, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ainitfunny View Post
    IF You were born a male you CANNOT BECOME A WOMAN by cutting off your genitals, getting fake breasts implanted and taking hormone shots. You are merely then a mutilated male, pretending that you are a female, and you are insane, nothing more.

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    It scares me to think that the Christian church in the USA will follow in the footsteps of the churches in China, and all of the middle east. Christmas is a pagan holiday to great hordes of americans, ones who do not believe in Christ. Sad, really...
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    True Christians, those who follow Jesus, believe what this sign says.
    I'm amazed that a pastor has enough guts to put it out there.
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    A church that tells it like it is. Refreshing......Wonder how long it will be before one of these LGBTQABCXYZ loonies torches the place.

    In my area every church seems to be bending over backwards with signs saying "Everybody is welcome" and the signs have the gay rainbow flag as the background.

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    We should have seen a ton of this 45 years ago. Maybe it wouldn't have gained a foot hold. It's done. No going back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmanan View Post
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    LOL yeah here we do but out there an awful lot of people sure don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback View Post
    We should have seen a ton of this 45 years ago. Maybe it wouldn't have gained a foot hold. It's done. No going back.
    Agree - probably a sign of the times.

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    What really brought it to the fore was the legalization of homosexual activity. Before that, they had to keep a very low profile.

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    I don't know how Jenner and those like him are allowed into a bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback View Post
    We should have seen a ton of this 45 years ago. Maybe it wouldn't have gained a foot hold. It's done. No going back.
    45 years ago there was no need for the signs.

    Everyone pretty much agreed that the Bible taught that homosexuality is a sin.

    Now, the Bible says whatever you want to believe it says--and the gospel is NOT that we are sinful but God still loves us and Jesus sacrificed Himself to make us right with God again---NOW the gospel is "God is love--and that means He loves everybody and everything! I'm ok, you're ok, and there is no such thing as sin!"
    Be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled…Let no man deceive you by any means…..
    they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved….for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie….
    Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    45 years ago there was no need for the signs.

    Everyone pretty much agreed that the Bible taught that homosexuality is a sin.

    Now, the Bible says whatever you want to believe it says--and the gospel is NOT that we are sinful but God still loves us and Jesus sacrificed Himself to make us right with God again---NOW the gospel is "God is love--and that means He loves everybody and everything! I'm ok, you're ok, and there is no such thing as sin!"
    Pretty much. That is my former county. It has conservatives, really far right Christian Identity, Mt Shasta spiritual liberals and really socialist leftists (Black Bear Commune.) Generally, they stick to themselves.
    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

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    From Sacramento to the Oregon border we are conservative. I wonder if those protesting drove down from Portland, OR to protest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    45 years ago there was no need for the signs.

    Everyone pretty much agreed that the Bible taught that homosexuality is a sin.

    Now, the Bible says whatever you want to believe it says--and the gospel is NOT that we are sinful but God still loves us and Jesus sacrificed Himself to make us right with God again---NOW the gospel is "God is love--and that means He loves everybody and everything! I'm ok, you're ok, and there is no such thing as sin!"
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    THIS testimony of a fairly devout, religious Catholic woman is worth watching even though it is 42minutes and 11 seconds long.
    She was killed in a bus accident and was on her way to hell and managed to almost end up in heaven....
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    It's the church's property and sign. They can put anything they want on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    45 years ago there was no need for the signs.

    Everyone pretty much agreed that the Bible taught that homosexuality is a sin.

    Now, the Bible says whatever you want to believe it says--and the gospel is NOT that we are sinful but God still loves us and Jesus sacrificed Himself to make us right with God again---NOW the gospel is "God is love--and that means He loves everybody and everything! I'm ok, you're ok, and there is no such thing as sin!"
    The gay liberation movement was active 45 years ago. It should have been stomped on and killed back then. The movement is but one cultural Marxist plan. It was a component of the New Left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
    It's the church's property and sign. They can put anything they want on it.
    Yes, but I agree with the earlier statement that the church will be firebombed over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ainitfunny View Post
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    THIS testimony of a fairly devout, religious Catholic woman is worth watching even though it is 42minutes and 11 seconds long.
    She was killed in a bus accident and was on her way to hell and managed to almost end up in heaven....
    Silly. There is hell and heaven. Almost to heaven is still hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrybumpkin View Post
    It scares me to think that the Christian church in the USA will follow in the footsteps of the churches in China, and all of the middle east. Christmas is a pagan holiday to great hordes of americans, ones who do not believe in Christ. Sad, really...
    Christmas is a feast day (literally "Christ's Mass) celebrating the birth of Jesus. It has never been promoted (as I remember, anyway) as the actual birthday of Jesus, but rather a celebration of His birth.

    There was an active Christian Church in the Middle East long before America was even discovered.

    The celebration of Christmas was recently banned in China.

    Anyone is free to celebrate any holiday (or holy-day) in any way that they so choose. It's called "free will", given to us by God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    From Sacramento to the Oregon border we are conservative. I wonder if those protesting drove down from Portland, OR to protest?
    This is a county I lived in for 30 years. It tends conservative but has large pockets of liberals. This is just north a few miles of Mt Shasta. Mt. Shasta is the town where people look for Lemurians, an official Agenda 21 town, where New Age Spiritualism thrives, where they sit at the bottom of the sacred mountain. It is extremely left wing, but has pockets of a few old conservative families.

    The protests are home grown. A group of liberals used to meet outside the Yreka post office every Friday to protest the Middle Eastern wars or the outrage of the day.
    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." George Orwell

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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh View Post
    This is a county I lived in for 30 years. It tends conservative but has large pockets of liberals. This is just north a few miles of Mt Shasta. Mt. Shasta is the town where people look for Lemurians, an official Agenda 21 town, where New Age Spiritualism thrives, where they sit at the bottom of the sacred mountain. It is extremely left wing, but has pockets of a few old conservative families.

    The protests are home grown. A group of liberals used to meet outside the Yreka post office every Friday to protest the Middle Eastern wars or the outrage of the day.
    I know where it is, I have been through there many times. As it turns out only THREE liberals are protesting:



    A northern California church is under fire after displaying an anti-LGBTQ message on the sign outside of the parish that reads, “Bruce Jenner is still a man, homosexuality is still a sin.” Now, members of the community are protesting Trinity Bible Presbyterian Church in an effort to align with those who may feel threatened.

    Amelia Mallory is one of three local Lake Shastina moms who have come together to orchestrate the Shastina Love Rally to protest the sign after seeing a photo of it on Facebook. And although Mallory is aware that she lives in a predominantly conservative area, she tells Yahoo Lifestyle that it’s still shocking to see that kind of message in your own backyard.

    “The sign itself is walking that fine line between truth and fiction,” Mallory says. “If religion is a belief someone holds and uses as a tool to be a better human, I’m totally in favor of it. But as a mom, I would hate for anyone to tell my kids they were in any way less because of something they really don’t have control over.”

    According to the sign, the church believes that “the culture may change” but maintains that “the bible does not.”

    “We believe that Jesus commands all Christians to let their light shine. We also believe that salvation is only for sinners,” Pastor Justin Hoke tells Yahoo Lifestyle. “Jesus said he came to call sinners, not the righteous. If we give in to cultural demands to stop calling sin ‘sin,’ then we are robbing people of opportunity to hear the truth.”

    For Mallory, her efforts aren’t aimed at changing the mind of Hoke others who believe the same things. Instead, she wants to make sure that any people who feel attacked by the message know they have allies.

    “Nobody has any illusions of changing the minds of the pastor or the church,” Mallory says. “We’re not going to lay out logical arguments to their side and have them go, ‘Aha, I see the light!’ And nobody is expecting that. What’s important to us is that we raise our voices, use our bodies, signs, art and expression to balance out the message on the sign and try to promote inclusion and tolerance.”

    Following the group’s first rally, which took place on Jan. 6, the Shastina Love Rally Facebook page is now gearing up for another rally on Sunday at which their main focus will be “volume.”

    “Balancing out the sign with our own voices” is the goal, says Mallory. “Rallying together in support of each other and of the queer community as a whole. Ideally he would remove the sign, but I’m not optimistic about that.”

    Hoke confirms that he has no plans to remove the sign. Since it was vandalized on Wednesday, he says, the message will remain until the sign is fixed.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/commu...232228374.html

    Amazing how only THREE people get this kind of press. The sign is correct in every way.
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    They took him out
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    Following the group’s first rally, which took place on Jan. 6, the Shastina Love Rally Facebook page is now gearing up for another rally on Sunday at which their main focus will be “volume.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh View Post
    They took him out
    "I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." - Alexander Hamilton

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    One cannot fight the soddomites in this country and win.

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    Not surprising they took him out. The Presbyterian Church is filled with wolves in sheep’s clothing. The larger organization of the Presbyterian Church has fallen away from Christ.

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    Jeremiah 7:16.....pray no more for these people. They know what they are doing and they know whom they serve.

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    Might as well call the church a social club as that is all that they are....and they are only fooling themselves.
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    I suppose then that the sign is an example of "being factual right but morally wrong".
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    Christ spoke of a coming famine for the word. It is here. He also spoke of deceiving spirits tickling the ears with false doctrine.
    I quit going to church when the pastor stood up at the pulpit and admonished the congregation that we were obliged to feed the addicts and lay abouts begging at the local stores. Don't work and you don't eat is what is written in scripture. Pure unadulterated heresy being preached in this country's churches. Widows and orphans is a far cry from the intentionally single harlots and their unruly bastard children we have now.

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    Ain't It Funny>>>>>thank you for posting that testimony. It was powerful.
    There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."Theodore Roosevelt-1907.

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    Thought this might be a good place to post this. Hope I put everything that is supposed to be put here.

    Homosexuality and the Campaign for Immorality by John MacArthur
    Video 54:47 min
    (Included in his sermon he tells of one of the leaders of the gay pride parade in LA coming to Jesus and being saved.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0GqVyYYfHc

    Published on Oct 19, 2012
    For details about this sermon and for related resources, click here: https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-l...

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    Nothing morally wrong with the sign, and the pastor needs to “shake the dust off his feet” as he leaves, he tried and I’m sure another door will be opened for him.

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    This is not a battle outwardly against homosexuality, transgenderism or even sin. It is a battlefield that rages in the minds of all people. The goal of that battle is to determine the destiny of the souls of each individual. Many go through the wide gate down the wide road that leads to destruction. Few enter through the narrow gate.

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