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    Venezuela has the power to feed itself.

    It is quite funny as the fools are spending money to control duckweed.

    If duckweed is fed to Black Soldier Fly maggots which do not spread diseases but produce high-quality protein their food problems would disappear. So is life
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    CC, your knowledge on this subject is valuable. IF, I had no alternative, I'd eat maggots.

    They might be fools for getting themselves to that condition but choosing NOT to eat soldier fly maggots would be far down on the list.

    Much like my Great-Grandfather refused to eat beans. He said he worked too hard raising pork, mutton and beef to eat beans. I'm like him regarding the insects. Not going to happen while livestock are available.

    "If your culture or your present condition REQUIRES you to eat insects, it is time for a revolution" jmo
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    So as can be seen the Duckweek is there in Venezuela and so would the Black Soldier Fly


    https://thewormlady.ca/black-soldier-fly-production.php



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    Scientists puzzled by plant invasion on Venezuelan lake - SciDev.Net
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    Aug 6, 2004 - [CARACAS] Venezuela's Lake Maracaibo is facing the world's biggest known invasion of duckweed, an aquatic plant. And while scientists .
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    Use the black soldier fly larvae to feed fish and poultry and I'm more than fine with that. But I am NOT going to eat maggots. No way. No how. I will starve first.

    Not too likely to starve, as long as I'm not locked up in a bare room.

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    FOOD Venezuela has the power to feed itself. So did the original Plymouth colony as soon as they ditched it's version of Communism/Socialism and replaced it with capitalism and private property ownership. Funny how that happens.
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    Only in Commie Utopia would this be considered a solution. In the mean time the Commie Master would be dining on steak and lobster discussing the solution. Oh, my mistake. That is what the Chuck & Nancy show does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Gray Mare View Post
    FOOD Venezuela has the power to feed itself. So did the original Plymouth colony as soon as they ditched it's version of Communism/Socialism and replaced it with capitalism and private property ownership. Funny how that happens.
    Would love to read more about this. Any good sources?
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    Somebody should update Occasional Cortex, she could include it in her Green New Deal. Free food!
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    Such relatively disgusting suggestions aside (I mean each to his own taste but I think most people won't go there) Venezuela has the potential to feed itself without eating maggots.

    The country is full of natural resources and just about every climate category known from mountain ski resorts to rolling plains filled with cattle (or they used to be) called the "llanos" with the local cowboys called "llaneros."

    They used to have a huge and vibrant agricultural sector and while not totally self-supporting they could and did grow a lot of their own food, they also eat a number of things like giant rodents and yucca that few people outside the US Southwest (or of certain ethnic backgrounds) have ever tried.

    The problem is that the agricultural section both large and small has pretty much been destroyed; it was already in trouble before Chavez (and the nation moved away from food production and oil exports allowed for food imports) but the great natural resources are one reason why (besides just oil) both larger countries (like the US and China) and their neighbors (Colombia and Brazil especially) are very interested in them.

    People there on the ground are still trying to grow gardens and the like, but the extreme problems with thefts and gangs even in the countryside make getting a harvest difficult.
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    A small pool about six feet across would be all one needed for duckweed. Harvest about half the water surface every couple of days and on feed to maggots.

    The poor in Vietnam eat duckweed.

    The climate in Venezuela is suitable for year-round production. Most places the flies and duckweed stop for the winter.



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    Quote Originally Posted by China Connection View Post
    A small pool about six feet across would be all one needed for duckweed. Harvest about half the water surface every couple of days and on feed to maggots.

    The poor in Vietnam eat duckweed.

    The climate in Venezuela is suitable for year-round production. Most places the flies and duckweed stop for the winter.


    If you had been to Venezuela (you may have, but I don't know) you would know that the area is in the tropics had huge problems with Malaria and other illness that tend to attach themselves to pools of standing water - it was a huge problem when I was there in the 1970s with the government working to stamp them out.

    There are also issues with all sorts of creepy crawlies from snakes to venomous fish to worry about; I have told my "Parana Fishing" story before so I won't go over it again, but people were bathing and doing laundry in the same water (as well as probably other things best not thought about) but because the Parana live in the middle of the river people only got eaten on occasion.

    This doesn't mean the idea of eating bugs is totally without merit for a prepper but it is hardly going to solve Venezuela's food crises either, political stability of some sort could do that; heck even a more "enlightened" dictatorship would encourage civil order and a better self-feeding population.

    As I've said before, the current government there is really "socialist" in name only; at this point, it is a self-serving, left-leaning, brutal, fascist dictatorship run by a delusional, power-hungry and increasingly paranoid "strong" man.

    Now that he is starting to torture and kill off military members and their families I suspect his days are number, I hope he goes quickly and isn't replaced by someone even worse.
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    Mosquito fish will fix up the problems. Any type of netting will get the weed off the surface'


    They have a huge problem but anything that is going to help with stopping them from starvation has to be looked at.

    Yep, I have eaten housefly maggots for months.


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    Your “Let them eat maggots!” answer to everything is getting no less revolting now than it was at first, and furnishing photos makes me wonder if you get some kind of twisted kick out of making people vomit, like an immature, prepubescent boy who gets off on making people vomit with whatever prompts that takes or making them afraid with other props and behavior.

    You may enjoy eating maggots, but YOU ARE NOT A NORMAL PERSON.
    Please keep your fetish to yourself, I and probably many others will find better solutions.

    Sorry, I gagged, and finnally HAD to make my feelings known.
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    I would prefer to eat the duckwort, or something like watercress, which is very nutritious, but I think it needs flowing, cold water.
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    It is funny as beef cattle are lot fed on Chicken shit to fatten them to market. That is in the U.S.

    Your supermarkets sell fish fillets from the Mekong River in Vietnam


    Vietnam bears the overwhelming brunt of the pollution because Vietnam is the last country where the Mekong flows, and all the rubbish comes down from the countries through which the river flows through (Dat, 2015), in a process known as “transboundary transmission” (Alebel et. al., 2010).Apr 3, 2015
    Pollution knows no boundaries: Mekong River Pollution. | GE3246 ...
    blog.nus.edu.sg/donovan1/.../pollution-knows-no-boundaries-mekong-river-pollution/


    Then there is the pollution in some of the canned fish from:


    Factory farming makes Baltic Sea one of the world's most polluted ...
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    All of you eat bugs in Supermarket foods.

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    Stuff like this is comming out of universities around the world.






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    Could you stomach bugs? Our future may depend on it
    JAMIE SEIDEL, The Advertiser
    September 30, 2015 12:19pm

    BEETLE bread? Choc-coated crickets? How about bug biscuits? While insects may not be in our pantries right now, exploding prices and looming shortages mean we may have to find space for them in our food chain — and soon.

    Bugs. Grubs. Beetles. They’re a natural source of protein, minerals and nutrients.

    So why are we so squeamish when it comes to putting them on our plate?

    “Obviously the idea of picking up an insect — albeit roasted and not pulled straight out of the garden — has a certain ‘yuck’ factor,” says the University of Adelaide’s Associate Professor Kerry Wilkinson.

    But that reaction is cultural. Africa and Asia have few such qualms.

    Here, bugs could be so much more than just a novelty snack on an Outback tour, she says.

    They could become a lucrative local industry.

    Bugs need far less agricultural land, a lot less water and a lot less valuable feed than conventional meat animals. They could even be fed on agricultural waste — something South Australia has an abundance of when it comes to wines.

    Bug farming could produce a highly nutritious, mineral-rich flour or paste.

    It’s all about efficiency. Making the best use of the foods and resources we have.

    “Minced bugs may sound icky,” Dr Wilkinson says, “But it could be used to make mineral and nutrient-rich breads or biscuits.”

    We’re a long way off having selections of insects on our supermarket shelves.

    But they may soon help to keep the prices of the fish and poultry already there at affordable levels.

    “While we’re currently looking into consumers’ attitudes towards edible bugs, our next project will focus on how to grow them,” Dr Wilkinson says. “This includes what alternate waste food-stocks are viable, and — if we were to replace fish and poultry farm diets with them — how would a bug-based diet change their nutrition and taste?”
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    BUGGED BY FOOD PRICES?

    Australia’s going to have to supplement its strained food sources somehow, Dr Wilkinson says. And sooner than we expect.

    We’ve already had a taste of what is to come.

    Remember when the Murray almost dried up? When South Australia’s citrus orchards were being ripped out of the ground?

    Such intense weather events are already happening more often.

    “But as soon as the drought broke, food security went off the agenda,” says Associate Professor of Global Food Studies Dr Wendy Umberger.

    We may have forgotten, but there was a very real global food crisis back in 2005-2008. It brought empty supermarket shelves and across-the-board leaps in prices for us all.

    Fresh fruit and vegetables were the worst hit with price spikes of between 30 to 40 per cent. Eggs and bread rose 17 per cent, beef went up 31 per cent and lamb leapt 59 per cent. Honey prices doubled.

    We know this will happen again, Dr Umberger says. It may be sooner than we think.
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    This year we’re staring down the barrel of another significant El Niño weather anomaly. The last one triggered the long and debilitating drought which contributed to those price rises.

    Can we afford to maintain such taboos in a world of $3 bananas and honey worth its weight in gold?

    For example: Is fresh fish still a regular part of your menu?

    “We’ve seen the prices of fish go up enormously already,” Dr Wilkinson says. “Soon it will be the same for other livestock, such as beef cattle, pork and lamb.”

    In large part, that’s because of pressure on the supply of grain-based feed stocks, grains which would better serve us as flour for bread.

    “When we think of food security, there’s one idea everyone focuses on: That there’s not enough food. Right?” asks Dr Umberger. “Wrong. There’s lots of research to show that there is enough food. It’s just getting it where it’s needed that’s the issue. Through restricting trade, research and alternatives, we’re creating insecurity.”

    Which brings us back to bugs. Are you happy to go hungry due to an outmoded mindset?

    “We need to look at ways of overcoming barriers to insect consumption in Australia,” Dr Wilkinson says, “and improving acceptance of both edible insects and products with insect-based ingredients.”
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    FOOD FOR THOUGHT

    “Heat, cold and flood: That’s what we’ve got to expect more of,” says Professor Stephen Tyerman of the University of Adelaide’s School of Agriculture, Food and Wine. “So we’ve got to make our agriculture more resilient if we want to keep eating.”

    While advances are being made in the abilities of our oats and wheats to resist salt and heat stress, these pressures will only continue to grow.

    “We need to be more efficient in our food chain,” Dr Umberger says. “We have to use land more wisely, and make sure that land remains productive. We cannot afford to have that degraded. We’ve got to make sure we’re keeping the quality of that land so it’s productive. We’ve got water, but we need to make sure it’s good quality water. We’ve also got to make sure our efficiency is maintained, so that we at the very least keep the same food output as we are getting today. And we’ve got to keep doing the research needed to keep all this happening.”

    Then there’s switching, swapping and squeezing the most of that food chain.

    “Can we take waste products from wine industry and use that as a feed stock for insects?” Dr Wilkinson asks. “Does this in turn influence nutritional value and flavour? That’s what we need to find out.”
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    Crickets. Mealworms. Ants. Cockroaches.

    Once processed, the bugs will be unrecognisable as a high protein flour or powder. These can then be baked into pellets.

    Such bug-based pellets have the potential to become a new feed in poultry and fish farms — freeing up precious grains for the human end of the food chain.

    But bug flour itself still has the potential to end up on our plates.

    Insects are good sources of protein, mono-unsaturated and polyunsaturated fats, fibre, vitamins, minerals and carbohydrates.

    “It could be incorporated as a nutrient supplement into common products, breads or biscuits for example,” Dr Wilkinson says.

    And don’t completely discard the unprocessed variety.

    “Perhaps the addition of flavourings coatings may influence acceptance,” she says.

    Chocolate-coated crickets, anyone?

    So why not start now?

    “Even if it doesn’t take off locally, bug harvesting could be a huge potential export market,” says Dr Wilkinson.
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    WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRUNCH

    So what’s wrong with a minced bug sausage?

    “I don’t see there is any issue,” Dr Wilkinson says. “I’m sure there are a lot of things people eat that they have no real understanding of what’s in it or behind it.”

    It’s a matter of mindset.

    While our food prejudices are well intentioned, they could accidentally end up starving our future.

    Are organic growing methods enough to feed 11 million people? Is it the most fuel efficient and water efficient technique anyway? Are our livestock and crops up to the task?

    “So if you’re feeling you’re doing something really good for the environment buying free range eggs, you’re not,” Dr Umberger says. “And actually by doing it, you may be doing something worse. So it’s time we demand real information and standards, and take it upon ourselves as good citizens — don’t just blame it on the food manufacturers, of course they’re going to market to you.”

    In Australia, ‘organic’ is a poorly defined word. Consumers think it means animal and environment friendly. Marketers think differently.

    “If you’re really caring about food security for the future, ask: Is buying organic better? Is buying free range better? What are the viable alternatives? What do these catchcries really mean? Question those claims and demand truthful information,” says Dr Umberger. “Start being serious if you really care about feeding the future.”

    “And that just might mean looking to novel food sources, such as edible insects” adds Dr Wilkinson.

    Could you change your mind?

    That’s the challenge Dr Wilkinson is investigating: Exactly what would it take for your average Australian to feel happy ordering a side serve of fried bugs …

    “I think that if people were to actually try it and understood the cost and environmental benefits, bug-based foods would have real potential,” Dr Wilkinson says.

    Interested? Read more about the University of Adelaide’s research at http://blogs.adelaide.edu.au/research/

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    Then there is the fact that we are running out of water for agriculture.


    Water scarcity and its impact on agriculture - SLU
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    As population increases the utilization of groundwater and surface water for the domestic, industrial sectors and agriculture exaggerate, leading to tensions, conflicts between users, and extreme pressure on the environment (UN-WATER, 2006:2). Food policy must not lose sight of surging water scarcity.

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    So take a place where the economy has collapsed and people can't get enough food then very quickly backyard vegetable crops are stolen.


    What I am talking about is as clean as any other food you can buy. A lot cleaner than some that you would be eating on and off during the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by China Connection View Post

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    Whats the yield on one these bucket rigs? How many are needed to keep a family of 4 in maggots for a year?

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    On a practical level, my husband told me to warn anyone who likes me is allergic to shellfish to avoid eating most "edible" bugs as they are all shelled animals and can have the same effects on seriously allergic people as shellfish.

    That includes snails by the way, so this isn't a solution for "everyone" and if the UK/Europe ever do get silly enough to start putting Insect flour or other garbage in the main food supply there will be even more things that people like me won't be able to consume without a very high risk of a reaction.

    I also have to second that while some of this information is interesting, "let them eat bugs" is the sort of thing the UK press does on a regular basis usually about the same time they have been obviously "told" to feature articles on how meat consumption is destroying the planet.

    The voices get really shrill this time of year now that things have morphed from "Dry" January to "Veganuary" or an entire month of the newspapers, magazines, and MSM "pushing" off a "month" of Vegan eating on the public - not just plain old vegetarian with cheese, eggs and dairy but vegan.

    And if people don't like that they start bringing out the stories about bugs, complete with "lovely" TV footage that boils down to "let us scare you into acting how we want or you can eat bugs."

    Venezuelans have no tradition of doing this, it isn't going to happen at least not outside of a few military trained survivalists; now guinea pigs might work though rabbits already failed.

    They failed for the same reasons rabbit production didn't keep pace to feed the UK during WWII (and yep they knew about the fat issue, they were just going for meat) because families with kids end up not killing the rabbits or if they do the kids refuse the food even when they are starving they won't eat "fluffy."

    But guinea pigs are related to the larger rodents that are already eaten there and seen as food animals rather than pets in Peru so this might be doable.

    Most of the immense herds of stray dogs and cats I gather have already been eaten, especially in the urban areas.
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    Per the internet there are 1994 calories in a kilogram of soldier fly larvae. For the US that is about 906 cals/lb.

    Most sites state that min cal intake for men and women that are resting or sedentary are 1500-1800 and 1200-1500 per day respectively. You can get by on less but your body will eat itself. I believe the Germans ran the camps on roughly 1200-1400 cals a day but the idea there was to only keep them alive enough to get some work out of them.

    I think that for a family of four you are probably going to need at least a couple dozen of those bucket rigs to provide any sort of meaningful supplement. And then you need to enough waste to feed the larvae. Where is that coming from? You are going to say human waste and grass but how much human waste. I imagine you would need far more than 4 starving people can produce to make for a sustainable enterprise.

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    I started this thread off on the fact that Black Soldier Flies will eat duckweed. In a huge lake system in Venezuela, they have a problem with Duckweed.


    The climate is suitable for year-round growth of the Duckweed And Flies.


    Pee in water and duckweed will grow. Yep, I have fertilizer. It will double its mass in 24 hours in good conditions.


    You can on feed the maggots to other things like chickens. Trouble is the chickens get stolen or eaten quickly.

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    I for one love the idea of the maggot farm and have implemented it in to my long term plan for feeding chickens, possibly fish, and edging out starvation in truly life and death times... like while trying to escape country, no while going on like life is normal. bugs are the new normal.
    THANK YO CC for your repeated bringing up of this VERY SIMPLE SYSTEM.. it can be ANY flies and it can be ANY WASTE hat will draw them. I don't doubt you've saved lives by posting it hear and the thousands that have read it. Maybe not yet, but this is info I'd teach my kids or fellow survivalists, so this info will live on..

    And in some situs, those who won't "adapt" will adopt ambient temperatures.
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    Thanks, BadMedicine for the support. There is just so much info on this link:

    https://thewormlady.ca/black-soldier-fly-production.php

    Many are getting fat on carbs available in Venezuela in the present circumstances but suffering from food deficiency problems.

    If you start with say duckweed which is high protein and end with Solider fly maggots which are high protein plus fat you are in a position to survive.

    You can feed your maggots on clean foods and produce clean maggots.

    I read of a man who was breeding pet spiders and feeding them on maggots. On one food he fed his maggots the spiders aged quickly and died. On another, they thrived. The maggots looked the same but. So feed junk then don't expect great food.

    On another angle, I was vegetarian once for about seven years except for butter. One can live on eggs and butter just about as potatoes have enough protein in them but not fats.

    So having a few small ponds set up with duckweed and breeding a few clean flies like Solider flies could make the difference between living or dying.

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    They need a regime change/revolution...not a bucket of maggots.

    Solve the problem.

    Civilized humans progressed past eating maggots a few thousand years ago.
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    Not long back.

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    At one time, Indians in the western United States gathered the aquatic larvae of shore flies for food.

    https://www.britannica.com/animal/shore-fly

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