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USA Riots Loom As Food Stamp Cash Will Run Out By End Of January If Government Shutdown Continues
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  1. #161
    I would suggest for those who depend on food stamps that you try, as far as possible, to make this month's check stretch as far as possible... consider buying beans and rice rather than even cheaper meat. Make a meal plan now for the next few weeks, using "planned leftovers", and maybe planning on cooking the more time consuming stuff in larger batches, then freezing it in meal sized portions.

    I'd also suggest hitting the food banks *now*, again concentrating on the storable type items...

    Making a meal plan in advance can give you a handle on what items you need to have on hand, and help you stretch the available dollars...

    Summerthyme

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    I would suggest for those who depend on food stamps that you try, as far as possible, to make this month's check stretch as far as possible... consider buying beans and rice rather than even cheaper meat. Make a meal plan now for the next few weeks, using "planned leftovers", and maybe planning on cooking the more time consuming stuff in larger batches, then freezing it in meal sized portions.

    I'd also suggest hitting the food banks *now*, again concentrating on the storable type items...

    Making a meal plan in advance can give you a handle on what items you need to have on hand, and help you stretch the available dollars...

    Summerthyme
    All great advice Summerthytme, but as I'm sure you realize many (if not most) of the type of people who rely on food stamps are completely lacking in the critical thinking skills that would prompt them to follow your advice. If they were able to think these things through, they wouldn't be on food stamps in the first place. Sad but true.

    Best regards
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    For those of you who are not used to preparing and eating simple, cheap foods, or more likely helping out a friend, try this;
    http://www.ezekieldiet.com/400-30-da...-and-wal-mart/

    No potato chips and crap, but easy preparing once you learn how to cook dry beans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc1 View Post
    All great advice Summerthytme, but as I'm sure you realize many (if not most) of the type of people who rely on food stamps are completely lacking in the critical thinking skills that would prompt them to follow your advice. If they were able to think these things through, they wouldn't be on food stamps in the first place. Sad but true.

    Best regards
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    I know, Doc, but we do have several members that get-and need- food stamps... presumably they are in the small minority who actually do have the planning skills to stretch the money and keep from suffering a completely bare pantry, given a bit of warning,,, which is what this thread is.

    Summerthyme

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    I know, Doc, but we do have several members that get-and need- food stamps... presumably they are in the small minority who actually do have the planning skills to stretch the money and keep from suffering a completely bare pantry, given a bit of warning,,, which is what this thread is.

    Summerthyme
    Thanks. When Mike and I had to use food stamps when I was laid off and he was pending disability, we were one of those couples who shopped like this. We lived with his parents at the time and only had to collect one month but we meal planned and made every meal.

    Some people do need this as was intended- temporary help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaryC View Post
    Have.

    And they are dire to say the least. However, I think the point is this, just like many black communities, which is what we note first, but whites do it too, instead of laying around on the government dole, go get a job, go to rehab. (Native Indians are notorious drunks)

    I don't know about out west, but here, and in the east, Casino's are rampant on Reservations. They make millions, and so long as you can prove 1/4 Indian Blood from that tribe, you get a check every month, a cut of the take. It's the Indian welfare program. I don't mind them doing that, go for it. What bothers me is they are still on the government take too. Or at least suspect so.

    Whether it's a Reservation, or the Bitterman Project they need to get out, and get a job. They will live longer in the long run. Pull yourself up by your boot straps, and get out.

    BTW you've heard of the Navajo Code Talkers? (note: this is the military and there is a job right there, and many do) Have you heard of the Steel Walkers? Most, or some, the sky scrapers in NY were built by Native Americans. Weren't afraid of heights.

    Don't give them a pass just because the place looks dire. If it looks like Cleveland. Kick them in the butte, and tell 'em to get up. That easy pass is the reason they are in the shape they are in.

    The Pilgrims adopted a plan when some of them were laying around and not helping. You don't work, you don't eat.
    A lot of casinos out in flyover country aren't big moneymakers. They just keep people employed, and maybe fund a clinic or a school. Many Indians are not drunks and druggies, and at least around here, many have off-rez jobs. A lot are very proud Vets. Both my mailman and my propane guy are Indians and have held these jobs for a long time. Good guys. Yes, there is poverty, ignorance and violence/substance abuse issues with the Native population, but casinos around here aren't gonna make them rich, or even provide much unearned income, that's for darned sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    A lot of casinos out in flyover country aren't big moneymakers. They just keep people employed, and maybe fund a clinic or a school. Many Indians are not drunks and druggies, and at least around here, many have off-rez jobs. A lot are very proud Vets. Both my mailman and my propane guy are Indians and have held these jobs for a long time. Good guys. Yes, there is poverty, ignorance and violence/substance abuse issues with the Native population, but casinos around here aren't gonna make them rich, or even provide much unearned income, that's for darned sure.
    First of all Indians have received that rep all on their own. Which doesn't mean all Indians are that way. Did you notice at all, the portion about Steel Walkers? Those Indians that walk the high steel as in sky scrapers dare not be drunks, since their lives depend on sure footedness, before they used tie offs.

    In case you didn't this is for you:

    The Empire State Building, the Chrysler Building, the George Washington Bridge, the World Trade Center. For more than 120 years, six generations of Mohawk Indian ironworkers, known for their ability to work high steel, have helped shape New York City's skyline. Each week, hundreds of Mohawks have commuted to Manhattan from their reservation in Canada, framing the city's skyscrapers and bridges. In September 2001, after the fall of the Trade Center Towers, the sons and nephews of these men returned to the site to dismantle what their elders had helped to build. The story is part of the series Lost and Found Sound and the Sonic Memorial Project.
    As for casino's here are some notes:

    Oklahoma gaming[edit]
    Native gaming revenues in Oklahoma rose to $3.23 billion in 2010

    Connecticut gaming[edit]


    The Foxwoods Casino in Mashantucket, Connecticut
    The Foxwoods Resort Casino opened in 1992 in Ledyard, Connecticut. Operated by the Mashantucket Pequot Tribe and earning $1.5 billion, it was more profitable than any one casino in Las Vegas or Atlantic City.

    Statistics provided by the National Indian Gaming Commission (NIGC), indicate that there are 460 Native gaming establishments in the US.[16] These casinos are operated by 240 federally recognized tribes and offer Class I, Class II and Class III gaming. Gaming is divided into 3 classes. Class I and Class II are traditional Native gaming such as bingo halls, poker halls, and lotteries, and requires no license. Class III gambling has high jackpots and high-stake games such as casinos, jai alai, and racetracks, and states feared that organized crime would infiltrate the Class III gaming on their reservations. The revenue generated in these establishments was close to $27.1 billion in 2011 up from $12.8 billion in 2001. The regions with largest revenues in 2011 were Sacramento ($6.9 billion) and Washington State ($6.7 billion).[17] The Native American gaming industry has been described as "recession-resistant", although tribes in many states (including Arizona, California, Connecticut and New Mexico) saw revenues fall at a similar rate to commercial casinos during the Great Recession of 2007-2009.[18]
    Tribal casinos in the eastern US generated roughly $3.8 billion in FY02. Those in the Central US recorded gross revenues of approximately $5.9 billion, while those in the Western US generated nearly $4.8 billion. Most of the revenues generated in the Native gaming are from casinos located in or near large metropolitan areas. Currently, 12% of Native gaming establishments generate 65% of Native gaming revenues. Native gaming operations located in the populous areas of the West Coast (primarily California) represent the fastest growing sector of the Native gaming industry. As suggested by the above figures, the vast majority of tribal casinos are much less financially successful, particularly those in the Midwest and Great Plains. Many tribes see this limited financial success as being tempered by decreases in reservation unemployment and poverty rates, although socioeconomic deficits remain.
    You may want to note those in Midwest and great plains aren't as successful, but they are still successful, just not as much.

    Also just so you know, I know a missionary who goes to those areas (used to) and digs town wells, and has told me of how poor some of those tribal towns are. Due to the men in those towns being drunks. Sure not all Indians are like that, and that's a fact, but don't discount it either.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by annieosage View Post
    Thanks. When Mike and I had to use food stamps when I was laid off and he was pending disability, we were one of those couples who shopped like this. We lived with his parents at the time and only had to collect one month but we meal planned and made every meal.

    Some people do need this as was intended- temporary help.

    Jeeze Annieosage, there was no attack at you or any others in legitimate need. What I actually said was "many (if not most)". I was on food stamps and commodities very briefly after I was severely injured in a diving accident and the insurance company cut off my workman's comp decades ago. I think we all understand the culture of generational welfare and the lack of thinking and work ethic it entails.

    Best regards
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    Stop at a couple of convenience stores in the reservation and see how the Indians spend their food stamps (mostly on stuff you would not want your kids to eat and drink). I have nothing against them but the facts are the facts.
    One of my DIL's is Navajo and my county is 69% Indian. I do have some experience with the many issues involved.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Doc1 View Post
    Jeeze Annieosage, there was no attack at you or any others in legitimate need. What I actually said was "many (if not most)". I was on food stamps and commodities very briefly after I was severely injured in a diving accident and the insurance company cut off my workman's comp decades ago. I think we all understand the culture of generational welfare and the lack of thinking and work ethic it entails.

    Best regards
    Doc
    Totally get it. I know it was not intended as a slam towards me personally just that there are those probably few and far between that do actually use is as intended.
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    the way things are shaping up in the House - I don't think Pelosi has enough control to get anything accomplished >>>> when the time comes to put out a compromise budget - I don't see them getting it done - much less EVER sending over a budget that's going to be Senate & POTUS acceptable ....

    tie down for the loooooong run >>> the economy is going to be effected - could get really nasty out there in some of these communities - people look for ways to strike out in anger even when they don't make any sense ....

    if you do a monthly run to Cosco, Aldi, Food 4 Less , ect ect >>>>> move it up and go for a little more than usual - don't be in the line of fire when the EBTs go dry .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    the way things are shaping up in the House - I don't think Pelosi has enough control to get anything accomplished >>>> when the time comes to put out a compromise budget - I don't see them getting it done - much less EVER sending over a budget that's going to be Senate & POTUS acceptable ....

    tie down for the loooooong run >>> the economy is going to be effected - could get really nasty out there in some of these communities - people look for ways to strike out in anger even when they don't make any sense ....

    if you do a monthly run to Cosco, Aldi, Food 4 Less , ect ect >>>>> move it up and go for a little more than usual - don't be in the line of fire when the EBTs go dry .....
    Good points all, though the "strike out in anger" part could be rather limited by the weather.

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    Hmm, Doc 1, based on what happened today related to my food stamps, we indeed are on the edge of the cliff. Now, I "usually," get food stamps, ie a voucher on my "debit style food stamp card," but today I instead got a credit to the food stamp cash program.

    For those of you who don't know what that means, what is called Food Stamps is really two, separate programs, run by the US Department of Agriculture. The first is called SNAP, and is the addition of money to your food stamp card, and the second is a cash program that is also added to your food stamp card, but it is listed as a separate program, and allows you the option of getting cash back after you make your purchase.

    I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE CASH PROGRAM. THE FACT I AM NOW ON THE CASH PROGRAM MEANS EITHER THE STATE OF OREGON, OR THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE RAN OUT OF MONEY FOR THE SNAP, FOOD STAMP PROGRAM FOR JANUARY. THEY USED A SECOND SOURCE OF INCOME TO PAY ME FOR MY SNAP BENEFITS.


    THIS TELLS ME THERE WILL/MAY BE NO FOOD STAMP BENEFITS, OF ANY TYPE, FOR NEXT MONTH.

    THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE FOOD STAMP SYSTEM FOR JANUARY IS ALREADY UNDER STRESS AND "THEY" SLAPPED TOGETHER A fix it.
    I WILL GUARANTEE THAT IF THIS GOES ON FOR ANOTHER TWO OR THREE MONTHS, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WARMER WEATHER IN JUNE OR JULY THE CITIES ARE GOING TO BURN FROM ONE COAST TO ANOTHER.

    Clearly, the situation is much worse than I thought. I plan to spend my money as fast as I can. I should get my Social Security by the third of next month, but if not I am totally screwed.

    Yep, consider yourself warned, gang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    Hmm, Doc 1, based on what happened today related to my food stamps, we indeed are on the edge of the cliff. Now, I "usually," get food stamps, ie a voucher on my "debit style food stamp card," but today I instead got a credit to the food stamp cash program.

    For those of you who don't know what that means, what is called Food Stamps is really two, separate programs, run by the US Department of Agriculture. The first is called SNAP, and is the addition of money to your food stamp card, and the second is a cash program that is also added to your food stamp card, but it is listed as a separate program, and allows you the option of getting cash back after you make your purchase.

    I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE CASH PROGRAM. THE FACT I AM NOW ON THE CASH PROGRAM MEANS EITHER THE STATE OF OREGON, OR THE US DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE RAN OUT OF MONEY FOR THE SNAP, FOOD STAMP PROGRAM FOR JANUARY. THEY USED A SECOND SOURCE OF INCOME TO PAY ME FOR MY SNAP BENEFITS.


    THIS TELLS ME THERE WILL/MAY BE NO FOOD STAMP BENEFITS, OF ANY TYPE, FOR NEXT MONTH.

    THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE FOOD STAMP SYSTEM FOR JANUARY IS ALREADY UNDER STRESS AND "THEY" SLAPPED TOGETHER A fix it.
    I WILL GUARANTEE THAT IF THIS GOES ON FOR ANOTHER TWO OR THREE MONTHS, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WARMER WEATHER IN JUNE OR JULY THE CITIES ARE GOING TO BURN FROM ONE COAST TO ANOTHER.

    Clearly, the situation is much worse than I thought. I plan to spend my money as fast as I can. I should get my Social Security by the third of next month, but if not I am totally screwed.

    Yep, consider yourself warned, gang.
    Sounds like a choking canary from here; thanks for the warning!

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    Here is another link indicating things are not looking good.

    https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/0...nd-of-january/

    Government Shutdown: Food Stamp Money Is GONE At The End Of January

    January 4, 2019 Mac Slavo News 0


    Without funding for a much-desired border wall, president Donald Trump doesn’t seem willing to budge at all during negotiations for the upcoming budget battle. While Trump and Democrats both hold out, funding for the food stamp program will run out at the end of January.



    The Department of Agriculture says if the ongoing government shutdown extends into February, there won’t be enough money for those who rely on the government welfare program known as food stamps.
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    Hmmm... this was posted by trivium pursuit on the thread about the military preparing for grid down scenarios...

    I have NO idea who this guy is, or if the tweet is legitimate,... but if it is!!

    A heads-up. This from the Twitter feed from someone in the know: Dr. Peter Vincent Pry @PeterVincentPry . He's the Executive Director of the Task Force on National & Homeland Security. Here's what he said yesterday: "To be as concise and succinct as possible, I must implore everyone who sees this to do all of the following, as quickly as possible: Stockpile food, water and the means to acquire / purify much, much more. Prepare for an imminent situation that may impact us all, coast to coast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Hmmm... this was posted by trivium pursuit on the thread about the military preparing for grid down scenarios...

    I have NO idea who this guy is, or if the tweet is legitimate,... but if it is!!



    Summerthyme
    I HATE those kinds of quotes. They're so nonspecific that you've got no clear idea what to do. "An imminent situation" could be tomorrow or six months from now. No way to check if he's right, and no way to tell just what it is that's coming.

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    GOT AMMO?

    I noticed that the local Safeway store, in urban, downtown Portland, has a sale on cases of canned goods and stuff, which I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM DO.

    At any rate, there is a general feeling in the air of looming chaos, at least I can sense it.

    I am looking at the entire situation as a last chance opportunity to get a final month of preps made, on the assumption by Valentne's Day things may be radically different. Trump has pretty much eliminated any option to not fund the border wall. If he doesn't get the $5 billion, he is finished as POTUS. So, neither side will back down, and that means in about 30 days or so, the shit will hit the fan.

    Good thing, Housecarl, I bought another 50 rounds of hornaby? blow your head off lethal super +P 38 Special for my personal Christmas present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumblepuff View Post


    "This government shutdown done piss me off! I'm ready to kick ass and chew bubble-
    gum, but I swallowed it and done burped up a big belly bubble. If this problem ain't
    fixed soon, I'll be on pins and needles, and dude, you don't wanna be near me then!"
    From the looks of her, I bet she has not wiped her ass forever. Therefore, I would not want to be down wind of her within 450 ft !!!

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    Another article that makes it not sound good moving into February:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gove...ts-paid-2019-1

    With no sign of ending anytime soon, the government shutdown is starting to take its toll on federal services and workers. But for recipients of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits, also known as food stamps, there is good news.

    According to a plan released by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), SNAP benefits will be available during the shutdown as previously appropriated funding is carried over to meet the needs of the program.

    According to the USDA's release SNAP benefits for January will be available, but there was no commitment for February. If the shutdown were to last into next month, it would be by far the longest shutdown since the budget process was reformed in 1974.

    Funding for the USDA's Child Nutrition Programs including "School Lunch, School Breakfast, Child and Adult Care Feeding, Summer Food Service and Special Milk" will also continue into February, according to the USDA's plan.

    But while SNAP and the Child Nutrition Program are safe for now, other food programs under the USDA's purview are not as lucky.

    Also, other non-SNAP domestic food programs are no longer receiving federal funding, but may be sustained through state and local funding. The programs that are no longer receiving USDA funds include the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, a program focusing on low income seniors; The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children; and the Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations.

    95% the staff at the office of Food and Nutrition Servicesó which oversees SNAP benefits and other food programs ó is now on furlough and no longer receiving pay.

    In addition to the food programs, other essential USDA duties including the inspection of eggs, dairy, and other food products will continue. Those services deemed non-essential, such as research or the staffing of some national forests, are discontinued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoDandy View Post
    From the looks of her, I bet she has not wiped her ass forever. Therefore, I would not want to be down wind of her within 450 ft !!!

    Think of those poor ankles!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millwright View Post
    Some further info here from a 2017 discussion of Peter Pry and his EMPactAmerica friends: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...26#post6454726

    I won't be losing any sleep or buying anything extra since he opened his pie hole again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    I HATE those kinds of quotes. They're so nonspecific that you've got no clear idea what to do. "An imminent situation" could be tomorrow or six months from now. No way to check if he's right, and no way to tell just what it is that's coming.
    I agree. And TP responded on the original thread that he's been "consistent" in his warnings, including in radio interviews (one apparently last April). So... that makes me take it *less* seriously... he sounds like one of many doomers, despite his supposed position which we might presume makes him privilege to information most of us lack access to...

    And, apparently Twitter took it down as "fake"...FWIW.

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    Consider the possibility that once payments are missed and the Dems are blaming Trump, that he cracks open their pro-border voting history, therefore putting full blame on them, as it becomes a case of anti-Trump even at the cost of their own constituents’ hunger.
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    Let it roll!

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    Close the food stamp program.

    Reopen the program and require in-person documentation of citizenship to restart benefits.
    I've thrown my back out trying to kiss my ass goodbye.

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    Helen may have something there. It might all be part of some 4D chess grand master plan to limit bennies to citizens. Yeah, that's it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by helen View Post
    Close the food stamp program.

    Reopen the program and require in-person documentation of citizenship to restart benefits.
    That is a good idea !!!!
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    More info on what Summertyme has posted above. Twitter has taken down the account of Dr. Peter Vincent Pry @PeterVincentPry. Looks like it was a fake. Here's a YT explaining the situation which was streamed 4 hours ago "Emergency Message From Executive Director EMP": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1grI...zxtyyymsYTh6YI
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoDandy View Post
    That is a good idea !!!!
    That is why it will never happen, not with the Dems in the house.
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    Pry is the professional grant money grubber who is shrieking that the sky is falling on an EEEEEE-MMMMMMMM-PPPEEEEEEEEEEE disaster the day after tomorrow if not sooner.

    He tells me the sky is grey I'm gonna have to go look to be sure.
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    I don't believe for a minute that either side would Ever sit by and let the EBT cards stop working. It is a no-win for everybody.
    If it gets close, a special bill just funding the food stamps will fly through Congress and be signed by Trump.

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    While I agree that ONLY citizens should be allowed ANY government assistance, I have to say that it would be very bad to require in person re-qualification for the over 4 million senior citizens on SNAP benefits. My aunt lives in a rent-subsidized apartment building for seniors and at least half of them are unable to go to appointments without assistance from care givers. Most of them are not able to shop for themselves. Most of them would be in assisted living if it were not for the Medicaid home health and wellness aids that do their shopping and cleaning. SNAP benefits also pay for the meals on wheels program.

    There are a whole lot of poverty level or below elderly who will quietly starve without the SNAP benefit. Not to mention that if SNAP money is at risk, then section 8 rent subsidy is probably in danger of non-payment as well as actual assisted living and nursing care facilities.

    So what are we supposed to do with all 4 million starving, homeless, incapacitated elderly?

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    So what are 4 million starving, homeless, incapacitated elderly going to do when the system collapses from an influx of millions or billions who should by rights be unqualified to benefit from it?

    It's the old Fram oil filter deal - pay me now, or pay me later. The status quo is unsustainable either way.

    Welcome to the world of ZERO SUM …

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zero-sum game

    Definition of zero-sum game : a situation in which one person or group can win something only by causing another person or group to lose it. Dividing up the budget is a zero-sum game .
    The wonder of our time isnít how angry we are at politics and politicians; itís how little weíve done about it. - Fran Porretto
    -http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-wholly-rational-hatred.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by celtic-cat View Post
    While I agree that ONLY citizens should be allowed ANY government assistance, I have to say that it would be very bad to require in person re-qualification for the over 4 million senior citizens on SNAP benefits. My aunt lives in a rent-subsidized apartment building for seniors and at least half of them are unable to go to appointments without assistance from care givers. Most of them are not able to shop for themselves. Most of them would be in assisted living if it were not for the Medicaid home health and wellness aids that do their shopping and cleaning. SNAP benefits also pay for the meals on wheels program.

    There are a whole lot of poverty level or below elderly who will quietly starve without the SNAP benefit. Not to mention that if SNAP money is at risk, then section 8 rent subsidy is probably in danger of non-payment as well as actual assisted living and nursing care facilities.

    So what are we supposed to do with all 4 million starving, homeless, incapacitated elderly?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    So what are 4 million starving, homeless, incapacitated elderly going to do when the system collapses from an influx of millions or billions who should by rights be unqualified to benefit from it?

    It's the old Fram oil filter deal - pay me now, or pay me later. The status quo is unsustainable either way.

    Welcome to the world of ZERO SUM …

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zero-sum game

    Definition of zero-sum game : a situation in which one person or group can win something only by causing another person or group to lose it. Dividing up the budget is a zero-sum game .
    ANd THIS is why I have sucha BARELY contained anger with the }BRING IT ALL DOWN NOW!!" crowd.

    WHEN it all falls down, some merciful but VERY steely souled person is going to end up, in each city or town etc, going through the Assisted Living/nursing homes with as quiet a .22 as they have and as quietly as possible, deal with each person there.

    OR they can just ignore them ands let them be raped and killed for sport.

    As for ME, it's right now an open question as to whether I save one last round for ME or survive the action but there ain't no real way I leave a whole nursing home of elderly as torture play toys for the base monsters.
    RULE 1:
    THEY want you DEAD.

    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my brothers' children (and their parents) may have peace, and have NO KNOWLEDGE of what I have done."

    TACAMO!! NOW!!

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    So what are we supposed to do with all 4 million starving, homeless, incapacitated elderly?

    You are beginning to realize what most preppers or doomers have realized long ago. The complex system we have grown accustomed to works great until it doesn't.

    Look to Venezuela to see what has become of them. Look to history to see what became of them here in 1800 America.


    To answer your question specifically, local churches should attempt to ease local suffering. Love your friends and family. Don't let anyone take anything from you by force. Whether under the color of authority or not.
    "You are allowed to be disappointed but not surprised"

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    Ain't life a bitch?
    The wonder of our time isnít how angry we are at politics and politicians; itís how little weíve done about it. - Fran Porretto
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    This is what the politicians want.
    They want you to become so dependent on welfare and food stamps
    that when they want you to "vote for them"
    they simply cut off your subsidies
    and force you to support anything they demand.

    And to ensure you know what is at stake, they are going to let people die.
    Because once they have your vote, they can blame it on the other guy
    Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than a pesky raven?
    It is difficult to stand idly by and watch the vacuum of ignorance being filled with lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Ain't life a bitch?
    considering THE ALTERNATIVE???

    Not really.
    RULE 1:
    THEY want you DEAD.

    "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my brothers' children (and their parents) may have peace, and have NO KNOWLEDGE of what I have done."

    TACAMO!! NOW!!

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