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    14 Trump Proposes Ending Asylum For Illegal Immigrants

    As was widely expected following his promises to stop crowds of illegal migrants from entering the US, President Trump on Thursday signed an order to end asylum for illegal immigrants before the caravans arrive. The order, which is expected to elicit howls of outrage from the left, will almost certainly be met with a court challenge, according to a Bloomberg report.

    The Trump administration said it would prohibit people who illegally cross the U.S. border with Mexico from claiming asylum, as the president seeks to choke off migration from Latin America, Bloomberg News reports.

    The change to asylum procedures was published Thursday by the Justice Department. President Donald Trump has blamed U.S. asylum rules for luring thousands of migrants a year from Central American countries. The new rule is almost certain to be challenged in courts.

    According to an NBC News report published early Thursday afternoon, senior Trump administration officials expect to be sued over the "draconian" immigration order. But with Brett Kavanaugh cementing a conservative majority on the court, the administration expects that it will prevail, as even the pre-Kavanaugh split court allowed the administration some wiggle room to implement its controversial travel ban. However, some worry that Neil Gorsuch could throw a wrench in the works by opposing the proposal, as he appeared to have reservations about supporting another restrictive immigration ruling during arguments on another case earlier in the term, per the New York Times.

    Trump is expected to issue a proclamation putting the new rules into effect as soon as Friday. According to its terms, migrants will be required to make asylum claims at official points of entry where "they would be processed in a controlled, orderly, and lawful manner," according to the rule.

    "Our asylum system is overwhelmed with too many meritless asylum claims from aliens who place a tremendous burden on our resources, preventing us from being able to expeditiously grant asylum to those who truly deserve it," Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker said in a joint statement.

    In the days and weeks before Tuesday's midterm, Trump ordered thousands of additional troops to the US-Mexico border to offer "support" for border patrol agents and another wave of national guard troops who had been dispatched to the border earlier in the year. And now some are speculating that Trump might force a government shutdown next month over funding for his border wall.

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    "Trump is expected to issue a proclamation putting the new rules into effect as soon as Friday."

    11/9.

    Upheaval, angst, and more protests anybody?
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    It is time to beef up ice and get the illegal ones in this country out
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    "Trump is expected to issue a proclamation putting the new rules into effect as soon as Friday."

    11/9.

    Upheaval, angst, and more protests anybody?
    Probably, but we might as well get this show on the road and get it over with. Civility has run its course, I'm afraid.

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    The march of the "refugee" army ants

    We're accustomed to hearing illegal aliens, attempting to enter First World nations, described as "refugees" or "victims", or words to that effect. Their "plight" is blamed on wars, violence, crime, and other such disruptions. It's a constant drumbeat of propaganda in much of the mainstream media. For example, the Wall Street Journal claimed last week that criminal gang violence is a major reason behind efforts by South Americans to come to the USA.

    [In El Salvador,] Politicians must ask permission of gangs to hold rallies or canvass in many neighborhoods, law-enforcement officials and prosecutors said. In San Salvador, the nation’s capital, gangs control the local distribution of consumer products, experts said, including diapers and Coca-Cola . They extort commuters, call-center employees, and restaurant and store owners. In the rural east, gangs threaten to burn sugar plantations unless farmers pay up.

    They have grown so pervasive that “you don’t know where the state ends and the criminal organizations begin,” said Mauricio RamŪrez Landaverde, El Salvador’s minister of justice and security, who oversees the national police force.

    . . .

    The plight of Salvadorans is one explanation for the steady stream of migrants north. Thousands seek to enter the U.S. each year, either by petitioning for asylum or by crossing the border illegally. Researchers found most are propelled by fear of violence. Mexico and U.S. immigration officers apprehended 335,545 Salvadoran migrants from 2014 to the end of 2017, according to government data.

    As one caravan of migrants now makes its way north through Mexico, hundreds of Salvadorans this week joined a new one pointed toward the U.S.

    There's more at the link.

    Naturally, the rationale behind such articles is to persuade us to feel sorry for those finding themselves in that situation, and to feel more understanding towards their efforts to find a better place to live. You'll notice that the USA's national sovereignty, constitution, laws, etc. are not mentioned anywhere in that report. They're effectively ignored.

    There are three huge problems when it comes to refugees from that background:
    They bring their own culture with them, and all too often do not assimilate into the culture of their new home. If their native culture was one where gang crime and violence was endemic, they will bring an acclimatization to such things with them. Where do you think the two most violent Central American gangs got their start? It was in Los Angeles, where El Salvadoran and Central American immigrants established MS-13 and Barrio 18. The gangs then "exported" themselves (by way of deported members) to Central America, where according to the US Department of Justice, "These two gangs have turned the Central American northern triangle into the area with the highest homicide rate in the world."

    Very often, the "refugees" turn out to be young men of military age, rather than families or a spread of people from all ages, economic backgrounds, and social classes. In other words, they're economic migrants rather than refugees. That's been noted in Mexico with 2018's "refugee caravans". What's more, many of them are members of the same gangs that are plaguing the countries from which they came. The US Justice Department states bluntly that "Criminal street gangs—mostly comprised of illegal immigrants—are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the United States and are the primary distributors of most illicit drugs." Gang members come here to continue their criminal careers, not seek a more law-abiding alternative.

    Many illegal alien "refugees" - as opposed to lawful immigrants, who tend to work hard - come to First World countries with the active expectation of "freeloading" on welfare and entitlement programs in those nations. That's true in Germany, and also in America. Many appear to want their new life handed to them on a plate.
    Americans now spend some $57.40 billion a year to cover the costs of more than 10 million mostly low-skilled foreign nationals who have come to the U.S. in the last decade, a study by the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine found. Just as many are expected to flood into the U.S. over the next decade.

    According to a Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data in 2016, "immigrant-headed households use 41 percent more federal welfare benefits than their native-born counterparts," ... Foreign nationals and illegal aliens who sneak into the U.S. use nearly 60% more taxpayer-funded assistance than native-born Americans, the CIS study found.

    Harvard economist George Borjas says the cost of foreign nationals sucks money away from Americans.

    "Since 1965, we have admitted a lot of low-skilled immigrants, and one way to view that policy is that we were running basically the largest anti-poverty program in the world," he said in 2017.

    Note, too, that the figures cited above apply largely to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens aren't eligible (at least in theory) for federal benefits, but they get a lot of them from states instead - yet another drain on taxpayer dollars.

    Furthermore, the actual numbers of illegal aliens in the USA appears to have been consistently - and persistently - underestimated. As far back as 2001, the Orlando Sentinel reported:

    New data suggest that the United States has nearly twice the number of undocumented immigrants that officials thought -- possibly 11 million or more, compared with earlier estimates of about 6 million. If so, then roughly one in 25 U.S. residents is an illegal immigrant.

    About 40 percent of illegal immigrants live in California, far more than in any other state.

    The Census Bureau itself acknowledges that it may have underestimated -- by 100 percent -- the number of people who came to the country illegally in the past decade. Although the exact size of the undercount is unclear, "we've had a major change in immigration, no matter what," said John Long, chief of the Census Bureau's population division. "It's either been a large change in our immigration, or a phenomenal change."

    Again, more at the link.

    Just last month, a new study by Yale University found that the illegal alien problem has grown far worse since then.

    Generally accepted estimates put the population of undocumented immigrants in the United States at approximately 11.3 million. A new study, using mathematical modeling on a range of demographic and immigration operations data, suggests that the actual undocumented immigrant population may be more than 22 million ... After running 1,000,000 simulations of the model, the researchers’ 95% probability range is 16 million to 29 million, with 22.1 million as the mean.

    More at the link.

    We simply can't afford to take in many more "refugees", whether genuine or spurious - yet the pressure to do so from left-wing and progressive individuals and organizations is unrelenting.

    We're facing a human version of the march of the army ants. They move from place to place, eating everything edible in their path, animal or vegetable, leaving a trail of barrenness in their wake. The unending stream of Third World refugees seeking a better life in the First World will similarly strip barren the very cornucopia from which they hope to benefit. The refugees aren't going to stop coming, and the problem will only get worse. What are we doing to protect ourselves? And how can we do so without compromising our own humanity? We can't just ignore those in need. The Golden Rule most definitely applies to our conduct towards them. If we can't afford to let them into our country (which we most certainly can't - that's an unavoidable economic reality), then what can we do to help them solve the problems in their own countries, so that they no longer seek to come here?

    It's an unanswerable conundrum . . . but it's one that we're going to face every single day, because the "refugees", real and/or spurious, won't stop coming. Somewhere, somehow, we have to find a workable solution - or be overwhelmed.

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    Posted by Peter at 11/05/2018 06:47:00 AM
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    Could he actually do something as opposed to just considering it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkelsteinsmom View Post
    Could he actually do something as opposed to just considering it?
    Saying he's "considering it" is actionable in the minds of the Commie Liberals. That's why Trump does it so much. He loves getting into their heads. Kinda like a cat playing with a mouse before doing it in.

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    Bring it back! Civility, that is. I had it come to mind that that should be a basic human right.

    The illegals should have never been allowed in in the first place, with a free gravy train to salivate over from afar...word spreads fast amongst people, especially desperate ones. Millions came, starting way before "social media."
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    Justice News
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    Thursday, November 8, 2018
    DOJ and DHS Issue New Asylum Rule
    Applies President’s authority to suspend entry to asylum

    Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen today announced an Interim Final Rule declaring that those aliens who contravene a presidential suspension or limitation on entry into the United States through the southern border with Mexico issued under section 212(f) or 215(a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) will be rendered ineligible for asylum.

    The Acting Attorney General and the Secretary issued the following joint statement:

    “Consistent with our immigration laws, the President has the broad authority to suspend or restrict the entry of aliens into the United States if he determines it to be in the national interest to do so. Today's rule applies this important principle to aliens who violate such a suspension or restriction regarding the southern border imposed by the President by invoking an express authority provided by Congress to restrict eligibility for asylum. Our asylum system is overwhelmed with too many meritless asylum claims from aliens who place a tremendous burden on our resources, preventing us from being able to expeditiously grant asylum to those who truly deserve it. Today, we are using the authority granted to us by Congress to bar aliens who violate a Presidential suspension of entry or other restriction from asylum eligibility.”

    Section 212(f) of the Immigration and INA states that “[w]henever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

    Further, Section 215(a) of the INA states that it is “unlawful…for any alien to depart from or enter or attempt to depart from or enter the United States except under such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe.”

    In Section 208(d)(5)(B) of the INA, Congress specified that the Attorney General “may provide by regulation for any other conditions or limitations on the consideration of an application for asylum.”

    Today’s new rule applies to prospective presidential proclamations, and is not retroactive.

    Asylum is a discretionary form of relief granted by the Executive Branch on a discretionary basis to those fleeing persecution on the basis of their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. The rule does not render such aliens ineligible for withholding of removal under the INA or protection from removal under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

    SOURCE: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/doj-a...ew-asylum-rule

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    They did not just write that today. I'm guessing this has been sitting on 'someones desk' waiting on an AG willing to sign it. KEK!!!

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    DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and AAG Matthew Whitaker Issue New Asylum Rule Ahead of Advancing Mass Central American Migration…
    Posted on November 8, 2018 by sundance

    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker issued a new asylum rule today as officials at the U.S. southern border and U.S. military prepare to confront an approaching horde of approximately 20,000 Central American migrant/invaders.

    [U.S. Department of Justice] Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen today announced an Interim Final Rule declaring that those aliens who contravene a presidential suspension or limitation on entry into the United States through the southern border with Mexico issued under section 212(f) or 215(a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) will be rendered ineligible for asylum.

    The Acting Attorney General and the Secretary issued the following joint statement:

    “Consistent with our immigration laws, the President has the broad authority to suspend or restrict the entry of aliens into the United States if he determines it to be in the national interest to do so. Today’s rule applies this important principle to aliens who violate such a suspension or restriction regarding the southern border imposed by the President by invoking an express authority provided by Congress to restrict eligibility for asylum. Our asylum system is overwhelmed with too many meritless asylum claims from aliens who place a tremendous burden on our resources, preventing us from being able to expeditiously grant asylum to those who truly deserve it. Today, we are using the authority granted to us by Congress to bar aliens who violate a Presidential suspension of entry or other restriction from asylum eligibility.”

    Section 212(f) of the Immigration and INA states that “[w]henever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”
    Further, Section 215(a) of the INA states that it is “unlawful…for any alien to depart from or enter or attempt to depart from or enter the United States except under such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe.”

    In Section 208(d)(5)(B) of the INA, Congress specified that the Attorney General “may provide by regulation for any other conditions or limitations on the consideration of an application for asylum.”

    Today’s new rule applies to prospective presidential proclamations, and is not retroactive.

    Asylum is a discretionary form of relief granted by the Executive Branch on a discretionary basis to those fleeing persecution on the basis of their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. The rule does not render such aliens ineligible for withholding of removal under the INA or protection from removal under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

    The Interim Final Rule can be found here.





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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkelsteinsmom View Post
    Could he actually do something as opposed to just considering it?
    I have been taking notice of quite a few "proposals" in regards to illegal immigration but there seems to be very little action...
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    Can't the Trump admin find a sympathetic conservative Court and file something so that the Court agrees with the EO?

    Preempt the challenge from the Left.....
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    Being ruled by treasonous courts on matters long settled as law is a very dangerous proposal.
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    Liberal heads exploding in 3,2,1...

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    KCRA reporting that Trump has involved national security powers to shut down asylum....

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