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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
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    #ThousandOaks: Officials say the shooter was armed with a legally purchased .45-caliber glock. - ABC News
    In other words, nothing what so ever like an Uzi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vtshooter View Post
    In other words, nothing what so ever like an Uzi.
    And, he was actually white, not Middle Eastern and not Hispanic.
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    #ThousandOaks Shooter: David Ian Long, 29, local to Thousand Oaks area.


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    David Ian Long has been identified as the suspect in the #Borderline mass shooting in #ThousandOaks . Neighbors told @abcnews that he went by his middle name. #MorningBlend10 @ABC10
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    The shooter has been identified 29 years old! He's a Vet suffers from #PTSD #ThousandOaks
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    Mass Shooter Ian Long had ptsd & used to be in the Military, according to neighbors
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    Way too much info and too fast with some details.
    Did he have a handler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shacknasty Shagrat View Post
    Way too much info and too fast with some details.
    Did he have a handler?
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    What are the odds that some of the patrons in that bar were also in Vegas during the other mass shooting? WGN snooze mentioned that this morning and that throws the red flags up for me.
    Yet another "false flag" I wonder.
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    LIVE: NBC News Special Report: Latest updates on Calif. bar mass shooting attack; 12 killed, 10-12 injured. http://nbcnews.to/2yVz8cQ
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    Yeah, some info definitely has my "hummm..." meter pegging....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shacknasty Shagrat View Post
    Way too much info and too fast with some details.
    Did he have a handler?
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    He was heavily tattooed, a vet suffering from PTSD. Between description, military experience and mental/medical problems, fingerprints and blood type, I expect that he was quickly identified.

    Some info came out from neighbors being interviewed by reporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John13 View Post
    What are the odds that some of the patrons in that bar were also in Vegas during the other mass shooting? WGN snooze mentioned that this morning and that throws the red flags up for me.
    Yet another "false flag" I wonder.

    That was my first thought as well. There are no coincidences!

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    I haven't read any of this thread yet so I will relay what commentators all night long have been saying on KFI which is located down in the LA area. They said that a guy with a beard and dressed in dark clothing entered the bar. Threw a smoke bomb and started firing an "uzi" type gun. Stopped for a couple of seconds and started firing again. He hit a cop several times. A CHP officer who was standing outside making the perimeter safe, went inside and pulled the officer out. Officer was hit multiple times and died at the hospital. The officer was 1 year away from retiring from the force. They don't know the motive, or who the gunman is, but the gunman is dead. They don't know if it's a terrorist attack. The bar is frequented by college students mostly. All that I heard....Glad the gunman is dead. They don't know if he killed himself of the cop who got shot killed him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John13 View Post
    What are the odds that some of the patrons in that bar were also in Vegas during the other mass shooting? WGN snooze mentioned that this morning and that throws the red flags up for me.
    Yet another "false flag" I wonder.
    I saw part of the interview with the kid that said that. I suppose he could have been lying.

    Las Vegas was a multi-day country and western concert. I personally know some people who went, but they had left the morning of the shooting, so weren't there when it happened.

    Last nights shooting was at a country and western bar/grill that was also a college hangout.

    Las Vegas is not very far from there (just a few hours drive) so I don't think it too inconceivable at all.
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    I can't get a copy of it right now because I'm on my phone, but apparently over on 4chan somewhere they've found a selfie of the guy, and he's a Muslim convert, complete with head doily and chinstrap beard. Anyone got the tools to go find that and repost a copy here? Don't direct link it, download it and reupload to an image hosting website.
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    Just a couple of thoughts....

    First the weapon going from an "uzi-type" weapon to a ".45 Glock" is more than just "different"....

    IIRC this isn't the first use reported of an "activery shooter" using a smoke device in an attack. The FL high school was one and I think there has been at least one other reported case in CONUS....



    Report on KSFO radio, shooter former marine. Drove mother's car to the scene. Used a Glock. There were 6 off duty LEOs in the bar at the time of the attack. Those 6 interceded the attack...wearing a black trench coat, "extended mag" in pistol. "Minor", numerous run ins with local LE. Harris is now politicizing this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    And, he was actually white, not Middle Eastern and not Hispanic.
    Yes. I absolutely appreciate your Twitter mining abilities. I just wish people were in less of a hurry to tweet, and did a little better to vet the info they put out there. Then I start wondering if it's deliberate mis-info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    I can't get a copy of it right now because I'm on my phone, but apparently over on 4chan somewhere they've found a selfie of the guy, and he's a Muslim convert, complete with head doily and chinstrap beard. Anyone got the tools to go find that and repost a copy here? Don't direct link it, download it and reupload to an image hosting website.
    I went to 4 chan and found nothing. Did a search of his name and no pics of him came up. DH said he has a long history with cops and that knew him. Suffered from PTSD and lived with his mother. Gun was a Glock. Maybe he was pissed that the Democrats rule this State. See, anyone can say anything true or not.
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    Checked TV before leaving for work, and was surprised how little coverage this is getting...

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    11-11 coming up, veterans been getting a lot of positive attention lately, if the shooter was a vet he was likely getting med care with the VA to include any psych complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vtshooter View Post
    Yes. I absolutely appreciate your Twitter mining abilities. I just wish people were in less of a hurry to tweet, and did a little better to vet the info they put out there. Then I start wondering if it's deliberate mis-info.
    It was all coming from live interviews from scared and traumatized college kid witnesses.

    Multiple people "witnessing" the same event will never see the exact same thing.

    I get more suspicious of things if they all tell the exact same details.
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    Proves you don't need a rifle, to cause a lot of damage. If you had concealed carry people inside, they may have been able to get him or pin him down. Prayers for everyone involved.

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    Supposedly this is him:


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    SaraCarterDC RT KTLA: #BREAKING: Photo of Thousand Oaks shooting suspect Ian David Long, a Marine veteran http://on.ktla.com/dilaF https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/sta...59911418036224
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    Yes, thats the clean cut marine image the media is using.

    I did find one recent one with beard and Muslim type hair/dress but could not verify it was him (a Facebook post) so didnt copy it - its gone now. We need to keep looking.

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    BREAKING: Video Emerges of Gunfire at Scene of Mass shooting at SoCal Bar, Gunman ID’ed as Marine Vet


    https://breaking911.com/breaking-vid...as-marine-vet/

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    Post #95 said 6 off-duty leos inside? Without knowing the layout and particulars, where on Earth would 6 leos go unarmed?

    I know of ONE Deputy Sheriff in this county that goes out w/o his weapon. Heard he locks it in a box when he gets home. Most that know this just feel sad for him....
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    I can't get a copy of it right now because I'm on my phone, but apparently over on 4chan somewhere they've found a selfie of the guy, and he's a Muslim convert, complete with head doily and chinstrap beard. Anyone got the tools to go find that and repost a copy here? Don't direct link it, download it and reupload to an image hosting website.
    That's the missing part IMHO for motive and reported age of shooter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia4 View Post
    Yes, thats the clean cut marine image the media is using.

    I did find one recent one with beard and Muslim type hair/dress but could not verify it was him (a Facebook post) so didnt copy it - its gone now. We need to keep looking.
    We can solve that by photoshopping a beard and a raghead on him. Wait for it.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Housecarl View Post
    Just a couple of thoughts....

    First the weapon going from an "uzi-type" weapon to a ".45 Glock" is more than just "different"....

    IIRC this isn't the first use reported of an "activery shooter" using a smoke device in an attack. The FL high school was one and I think there has been at least one other reported case in CONUS....



    Report on KSFO radio, shooter former marine. Drove mother's car to the scene. Used a Glock. There were 6 off duty LEOs in the bar at the time of the attack. Those 6 interceded the attack...wearing a black trench coat, "extended mag" in pistol. "Minor", numerous run ins with local LE. Harris is now politicizing this...
    There are conversion kits for Glocks which turn them into "carbines" that could resemble an Uzi. Even a normal Glock with a 30 round magazine could look similar to a mini Uzi.

    I watched a briefing on NBC TV this morning where a Deputy said the shooter used a "modified Glock".

    People always make the mistake of believing all the initial reports and then complaining when they change.

    The media gets in such a rush to report something that they will state things which haven't been confirmed, and people on the internet turn it into some big "conspiracy" when it's really only confusion brought on by stupidity.

    That's compounded by using Tweets which very often turn out to be opinion rather than fact.

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    If he had diagnosed PTSD, what kinds of meds was he on perscribed by whom with what follow up?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snyper View Post
    There are conversion kits for Glocks which turn them into "carbines" that could resemble an Uzi. Even a normal Glock with a 30 round magazine could look similar to a mini Uzi.

    I watched a briefing on NBC TV this morning where a Deputy said the shooter used a "modified Glock".

    People always make the mistake of believing all the initial reports and then complaining when they change.

    The media gets in such a rush to report something that they will state things which haven't been confirmed, and people on the internet turn it into some big "conspiracy" when it's really only confusion brought on by stupidity.

    That's compounded by using Tweets which very often turn out to be opinion rather than fact.
    Yup....

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    From: https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2018...oting-suspect/

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    Police revealed they previously had multiple contacts with Long in the past several years for minor offenses.

    In 2015, he was a victim of assault and battery during a bar altercation. Law enforcement officials say officers were called to Long’s resident in April, where he was described as “somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally.”

    Long was cleared after an interview with the Crisis Intervention Team and mental health specialists.
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    More can be found here: https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/ian-long/

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    California bar shooting leaves 12 dead, including sheriff's sergeant, police say
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    A former Marine -- armed with a Glock .45-caliber handgun with an illegal extended magazine -- opened fire on a packed California country music bar Wednesday night, killing 12 people, including a veteran sheriff's sergeant nearing retirement, officials said.

    Authorities believe Ian David Long eventually turned the gun on himself, but not before the 28-year-old, dressed in all black, terrorized a crowd filled with college students at Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, Calif. His body was found in an office adjacent to the entrance of the bar.

    Sheriff Geoff Dean, who is set to retire on Friday, said Long may have suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and was known to law enforcement officials due to several unspecified contacts stretching back multiple years.

    “We’ve had several contacts with Mr. Long over the years, minor events such as a traffic collision. He was a victim of a battery in a bar in 2015,” Dean said, adding that the bar wasn't the same establishment he had opened fire Wednesday night.

    Dean said the last interaction between Long and authorities occurred in April, when police officers were called to Long's house after reports of a disturbance. When they arrived, officers found Long "irate and acting irrationally," leading to a crisis intervention team being summoned. The team, however, cleared Long and said they didn't feel he was qualified to be taken into custody.

    “Obviously he had something going on in his head that would cause him to do something like this. Obviously he had some sort of issue,” Dean said of Long.

    As for why he attacked the bar, "there's no indication that he targeted the employees. We haven't found any correlation," the sheriff said. "Maybe there was a motive for this particular night, but we have no information leading to that at all."

    Long opened fire inside Borderline about 11:20 p.m., during the bar's "college country night" event, authorities said. Dean said it appears Long shot the unarmed security guard first, turned to the right to shoot other security and staff members before opening fire on the rest of the patrons. No one at the venue was armed with a gun.

    About 150 to 200 people, including students from California Lutheran University, private Christian school Pepperdine University and California State University Channel Islands, were inside Borderline when witnesses said Long tossed a smoke device into the crowd and then, amid the confusion, fired at least 30 shots.

    Deputies and highway patrolmen arrived at the bar within minutes of receiving multiple 911 calls and began assessing the grim, gruesome situation, Sheriff Geoff Dean said during an earlier Thursday news conference.

    “It is a horrific scene in there. There is blood everywhere,” Dean said. He later described it as "hell."

    Sheriff's Sgt. Ron Helus, a veteran of 29 years, arrived first on the scene and immediately entered the bar with a patrolman after hearing gunfire. But as the two made their way inside, Helus was shot several times. The patrolman pulled the sergeant from the line of fire, and Helus was taken to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead early Thursday.

    "Ron was a hardworking dedicated sheriff sergeant," Dean said while holding back tears. "He was totally committed. He gave his all. And tonight, as I told his wife, he died a hero because he went in to save lives. To save other people."

    Witnesses inside the bar -- which bills itself as "Ventura County's largest country dance hall and live music venue" -- told reporters how some patrons used chairs to break windows in a bid to escape the chaos while others scrambled between shots to hide in the establishment's attic. Dean said people also hid in the attic, bathroom and under tables to escape the hail of bullets.

    One other person suffered a "minor gunshot" wound, while 15 to 20 people were injured by jumping through windows and diving under tables, according to the sheriff.

    “We all just kind of froze for a split second and then everyone booked it and dove to the floor," said Teylor Whittler, who was on the dance floor when the shooting started. "After the first round it was quiet for about five seconds, and then some guys who were next to me on the floor got up and started sprinting toward the back door and yelled at everyone, ‘Get up! Run! He’s coming!”

    Whittler, a daughter of a military veteran, told "Fox & Friends" she was at the bar celebrating a friend's 21st birthday when shots rang out. She said of the 11 people she was with, there are still five friends who she hasn't heard from yet. She recalled getting trampled on and hit in the head with a barstool when patrons made a dash to the door. A man eventually pulled her up and helped her escape.

    She described the gunman as wearing all black clothes, a black baseball cap and a ski mask-type item partially covering his face. Several other witnesses offered a similar description, telling reporters the tall gunman first shot at a bouncer working the bar's door and then opened fire -- seemingly at random -- at those inside.

    Whittler said the gunman “knew what he was doing.”

    “While I was inside I would say [I heard]…about a good 30 seconds [of gunshots]…he had two [magazines] that I know with him. He changed them within about six seconds, which was really fast,” she said.

    “As soon as he walked in he had perfect form…he looked like he knew what he was doing. He had practiced, he had been shooting [before]," she told "Fox & Friends."

    Aside from the college students filling the bar, survivors of the 2017 Las Vegas massacre -- which occurred during a country music festival -- were also in Borderline.

    Chandler Gunn, 23, of Newberry Park, said a friend who works at the bar was also at Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas on Oct. 1, 2017, when a gunman fired a barrage of bullets from a hotel room perch, The Los Angeles Times reported.

    "A lot of people in the Route 91 situation go here," Gunn said. "There's people that live a whole lifetime without seeing this, and then there’s people that have seen it twice."

    Josh Coaly, 27, had been to Borderline several times with his friends -- including one who also survived the Vegas shooting, The Times reported. Coaly said the unidentified friend was in good condition.

    Carl Edgar, 24, of Tarzana, told The Times he had about 20 friends inside the bar, which he also frequents.

    “As far as I know, all of my friends are OK, safe,” he said. “There are a few people we can’t get a hold of, but in these situations, people usually turn off their phones to be safe so I’m not gonna get too worried. A lot of my friends survived Route 91. If they survived that, they’ll survive this.”

    President Trump said he was briefed on the "terrible shooting" and offered his condolences to the 12 people who died.

    “I have been fully briefed on the terrible shooting in California. Law Enforcement and First Responders, together with the FBI, are on scene. 13 people, at this time, have been reported dead. Likewise, the shooter is dead, along with the first police officer to enter the bar,” the president tweeted. “Great bravery shown by police. California Highway Patrol was on scene within 3 minutes, with first officer to enter shot numerous times. That Sheriff’s Sergeant died in the hospital. God bless all of the victims and families of the victims. Thank you to Law Enforcement.”

    Vice President Mike Pence also tweeted: "@POTUS & I have been briefed on the attack in Thousand Oaks, CA. Our hearts are with the victims, survivors, & their families. A heroic sheriff’s sergeant was killed. We commend the action of all first responders…Please pray for comfort & healing for their families & all impacted. @POTUS directed the full resources of the federal government to support the investigation."

    California Gov. Jerry Brown called the shooting a "heinous act."

    Police said additional units from the California Highway Patrol, Simi Valley and the F.B.I. were on the scene at Thousand Oaks, which is about 40 miles up the coast from Los Angeles.

    Borderline Bar and Grill opened in the late 1980s and boasts "2,500 square feet of wide-open dance floor," according to its website.

    The site adds: "Borderline has provided a haven for country line dancing folks of all ages."

    Fox News' Amy Lieu and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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    Caller to KSFO noted an issue with his own son's PTSD diagnosis after coming back from tours in Afghanistan. The son was just put on meds and he had several psychotic breaks. Further examination found it wasn't so much PTSD as traumatic brain injuries. Took him off the meds and now he's fine.

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    Another photo from the twitters


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    SUSPECTED SHOOTER: Ian Long, 28, had earlier this year been visited by the Ventura County sheriff's crisis intervention team, who decided he did not need to be taken into custody for a mental health hold. https://cbsloc.al/2PLfHgh
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    U.S. Marine Corps releases service record of Thousand Oaks, California shooter Ian D. Long:
    Date of service: Aug. 4, 2008 - Mar. 2, 2013
    Rank: Corporal
    MOS: Machine Gunner, 0331
    Deployed to Afghanistan: Nov. 16, 2010 - Jun. 14, 2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by John13 View Post
    What are the odds that some of the patrons in that bar were also in Vegas during the other mass shooting? WGN snooze mentioned that this morning and that throws the red flags up for me.
    Yet another "false flag" I wonder.
    Extremely high actually. The demographics fit. College night and country music were the theme at the bar.
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    .@USMC releases military service details on #CaliforniaBarShooting and statement below. "The Marine Corps extends its deepest condolences to the families of the victims in this senseless tragedy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetimer View Post
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    U.S. Marine Corps releases service record of Thousand Oaks, California shooter Ian D. Long:
    Date of service: Aug. 4, 2008 - Mar. 2, 2013
    Rank: Corporal
    MOS: Machine Gunner, 0331
    Deployed to Afghanistan: Nov. 16, 2010 - Jun. 14, 2011
    With that MOS during that time frame he's very likely to have seen combat, and a lot of it....

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    “While I was inside I would say [I heard]…about a good 30 seconds [of gunshots]…he had two [magazines] that I know with him. He changed them within about six seconds, which was really fast,” she said.
    I don't think most competitors would consider six seconds to be "really fast" but in such situations time seems to slow down.

    PTSD is a real problem, and most people who suffer from it are not getting much help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryowen View Post
    I don't think most competitors would consider six seconds to be "really fast" but in such situations time seems to slow down.

    PTSD is a real problem, and most people who suffer from it are not getting much help.
    Agreed and a 6 second mag change is an eternity for those with good technique and some practice.

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