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    Quote Originally Posted by BornFree View Post
    Other reports state suspect is a Middle Eastern male in his twenties with a long beard who shot a security guard then threw smoke grenades then kept firing.

    https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/20...ar/1927732002/

    Although the story goes on to say they are not sure about this.
    I wonder if he was one who walked in across the border?

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    Now they're all saying the 11 are dead; not injured:



    Lauren Jiggetts
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    #Breaking Sheriff confirms 11 people were killed inside #Borderline Bar. Suspect was also dead.
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    from news conference
    https://abc7.com/live/

    shooter dead

    11 victims killed

    up to 12 additional victims

    police officer passed away an hour ago
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    Brandon Williams
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    #BREAKING: @VENTURASHERIFF says 11 killed, suspect dead in #BorderlineBar shooting; No ID on suspect #ANJaxBreaking @ActionNewsJax @WOKVNews
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    Matthew Keys
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    #BREAKING: Police identify Ventura County deputy killed in mass shooting incident as Sgt. Ron Helis.
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    only weapon found so far was a handgun
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    Jenn Zellers
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    #Breaking: When officers made entry, the suspect was already dead.


    Katie Jeffries
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    #BREAKING- 11 people dead in Thousand Oaks, CA. Venture Sheriff's Office also confirms the Sgt that was shot while responding has also passed away... he had been on the force for 29 years
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    13 total dead counting 11 victims, suspect and police officer
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    That didn't take long for DHS warning to become true. Prayers for the families.
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    #BREAKING(MNA)--#Ventura County police don't rule out terror attack in bar shooting in #California - sheriff

    #USA #Californiashooting #MNA
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    #BREAKING: Ventura County police don't see any evidence of this being a terror attack, but it hasn't been ruled out yet.
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    He leaves a wife and son:




    Matthew Keys
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    Matthew Keys Retweeted Matthew Keys

    #BREAKING: Law enforcement source says deputy was shot multiple times during mass shooting incident in Thousand Oaks, California; deputy died at hospital.



    Matthew Keys
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    PHOTO: Law enforcement image of Sgt. Ron Helus, Ventura County Sheriff's Department deputy shot and killed during Wednesday evening's mass shooting incident at Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks, California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BornFree View Post
    Other reports state suspect is a Middle Eastern male in his twenties with a long beard who shot a security guard then threw smoke grenades then kept firing.

    https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/20...ar/1927732002/

    Although the story goes on to say they are not sure about this.
    Sheriff in interview says, "doesn't look like a terrorist act." Must be a wrote response, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctor_fungcool View Post
    Shooter down...rumor that the shooter is middle eastern....rumor came from Fox news
    Not a rumor! I heard a eye witness report that the shooter was middle eastern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Nettleton View Post
    Not a rumor! I heard a eye witness report that the shooter was middle eastern.
    Yes, and other witness said he was white

    ETA: Also, some witnesses said he was tall, some said he was average height and and some said he was short. Some said he had a beard, some said lower face was covered by a scarf or ski mask and one person said he wore prescription glasses. I personally lean towards it being a muslim, but we will have to wait and see.

    ETA2: I had thought I had heard Hispanic as s description too, and per tweet below, I did hear a witness say it.

    Now to find out the name of the 29 yr old guy who did this. (per mzk's tweet a few posts down)


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    A student who witnessed the #ThousandOaks shooting confirmed to @ABC7 that the shooter was "White or Hispanic, dressed in black, wore a black trenchcoat, had a large capacity magazine, used smoke grenades thrown at the d #Borderline's College bar & grill."
    Last edited by Lilbitsnana; 11-08-2018 at 09:07 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post



    Zoey Tur
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    America's homegrown terrorists strike as nation becomes more divided by @POTUS This is the new normal. #GOP @realDonaldTrump #Borderline #VenturaShooting #BorderlineBarShooting
    America isn't divided by POTUS!! America is divided by those who won't accept POTUS as President and think they can go out and have $hit-fits and the Rule of Law better not apply to them. And the FAKE NEWS MEDIA is helping to spread this. All of them...Enemies of the state.

    This is just so sad! WHY a country western bar? Did shooter think only 'conservatives' hang out there?

    I'm also reminded by Hillary's statement 2 weeks ago when she said ‘Civility Can Start Again’ When Democrats Take Congress.' https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...take-congress/ Once again, deranged, disgusting Dems making all of us pay when they don't get their way.

    The timing is also interesting in that Dems DID just take the house. The House, where they write bills and Dems desperately want to take away with our guns. Convenient for them this wasn't just a one-ff shooting, but a NICE BIG CROWD - 12 dead so far. Conveniently sensational shooting don't you think?

    This also moves the spotlight and conversation off disgusting and deranged Jim Acosta and his despicable behavior yesterday. (I'm NOT saying he is why this shooting happened.... this is just an aside)

    Just some thoughts running through my head.
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  17. #57
    11:20 multiple calls received.
    11:22 at least 2 officers on scene
    11:26 officers attempt entry, Deputy receives what prove to be fatal wounds, officers retreat
    15 minutes after last shots heard, officers successfully make entry. This group includes officers from communities 30 minutes away*

    The fast response time isn’t surprising, as officers sometimes seem to use the area just north of that exit to stage for responses around the Conejo Valley. They also really love to nab people making right turns on red in violation of the signs at that highway exit.* The responding CHP officers were on a traffic stop on the highway right near the exit, which let them respond as soon as they heard about the incident on the radio.

    Ventura County Sherrif Department policy has been to make entry as soon as two or more officers are on the scene since Columbine.

    Other nights there would have been a good chance of return fire from patrons*

    The front desk area provides high ground for the shooter, as well as cover. Lots of wood between dance floor and the front desk, and not much space for people in the area immediately by the desk*

    I believe there were several victims at the Las Vegas shooting from this area. Not many country options in the area, so suggesting overlap with that event is like being surprised that Boston residents like the Red Sox.*

    There is a very large Islamic Center a few miles from this location*

    *’d parts are based on my knowledge of the area. The other bits are from the press conference.

    Sheriff brought up terrorism himself in the press conference this morning, and then backpedaled saying that it should always be considered an option in mass casualties like this. He also declined to describe the gunman, and said no assault weapons were found at the scene.

    Edited to add that this is a more conservative area. It is also just across the highway from the mall where the woman was shot in the Papersource store earlier this year.
    Last edited by Dreamer; 11-08-2018 at 07:28 AM. Reason: More info

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    Authorities say ~30 shots were fired.
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    Photos of the scene at this link:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ornia-bar.html
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    More info. Sheriff Dean is scheduled to retire tomorrow after 41 years on the force.
    On October 8th the VC Sheriff Dept had a major bust against the Sinaloa cartel on October 8th, with $11 million in meth, coke, heroin and fentanyl. https://ktla.com/2018/10/09/13-peopl...eriffs-office/

    Possible motives list so far:
    Left target in conservatives with a handgun for political reasons
    Muslim terrorism
    Sinaloa cartel retribution
    Mental illness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    More info. Sheriff Dean is scheduled to retire tomorrow after 41 years on the force.
    On October 8th the VC Sheriff Dept had a major bust against the Sinaloa cartel on October 8th, with $11 million in meth, coke, heroin and fentanyl. https://ktla.com/2018/10/09/13-peopl...eriffs-office/

    Possible motives list so far:
    Left target in conservatives with a handgun for political reasons
    Muslim terrorism
    Sinaloa cartel retribution
    Mental illness
    Have to add possible disgruntled boyfriend or employee
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    Now how, exactly, are those actions brave??

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/768855...ornia-bar/amp/

    “Bryce Viole, 19, told Sun Online how he jumped head first out of a glass window, sustaining several injuries, to escape a mass shooter Speaking outside the hospital where he had received treatment , the brave teenager described the gunman as about 6ft tall wearing all black and a baseball cap.

    He said: “I looked over and saw the shooter and the gun and I just dropped to the floor and started crawling towards the window.He just kept firing towards the pool table area.I ran and dove out the window head first, I just smashed through the glass and jumped out.It was about a six foot drop but once I saw that gun I wasn’t messing around.“

    The shooter was only four or five feet away from me.“He was in all black with a baseball cap and I thought I saw he had a ski mask on.“He had some smoke bombs and he threw those around the bar area but I got out pretty quick.I cut my ankle open and cut my whole kneecap open. My wrist is all messed up the meat part of my hand was just all hanging off.”

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    Now how, exactly, are those actions brave??

    Falstaff. "For the better part of valor , is discretion"

    I can't blame the teenager too much. BUT, at some point we all must decide if we are on a battlefield.

    IF and when that personal decision is made, there ain't no laying down on the battlefield.
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  24. #64
    SIL is a college professor. I don't know if he still does it, but for years he told his classes:

    If someone with a gun comes through the door, you are to throw everything you have at him, laptops, i-phones, purses, shoes, everything.

    We will then charge him.

    I will lead the charge.


    The people in that bar had that attitude, the outcome would have been a lot different.
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    i am just now waking up to this. i only scrolled through this thread quickly. i see there is some mention of suspect description here. i havent heard any of that on the local news or twitter thus far so i’ll go back and read.

    As a life-long southern californian just wanted to mention that Thousand Oaks is a mostly white area (with some asians), upper middle class and mostly republican. at least last i hear it was republican. also very little crime there.
    and it happens on country music night?
    so this is really shocking...

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    catching up... “he wore a ski mask over bottom half of his face” - sounds like ANTIFA... no?

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    #Breaking We've just learned the #Borderline shooting gunman is 29 year old male + used .45 caliber.
    #borderline #ThousandOaks
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    Now don’t misunderstand, I don’t find fault with his actions; each must decide what they are able to do in a situation such as this.

    But I do find fault with the description of “the brave teenager”; he didn’t demonstrate that with his actions, he just survived.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luddite View Post
    Now how, exactly, are those actions brave??

    Falstaff. "For the better part of valor , is discretion"

    I can't blame the teenager too much. BUT, at some point we all must decide if we are on a battlefield.

    IF and when that personal decision is made, there ain't no laying down on the battlefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troke View Post
    SIL is a college professor. I don't know if he still does it, but for years he told his classes:

    If someone with a gun comes through the door, you are to throw everything you have at him, laptops, i-phones, purses, shoes, everything.

    We will then charge him.

    I will lead the charge.


    The people in that bar had that attitude, the outcome would have been a lot different.
    Not with the layout of that bar. They would have all come up through a funnel to try to get to him. If this was planned, the bad guy did an excellent job selecting his location of attack. People could not effectively run up the stairs to rush him.

    I keep gaming this situation in my mind. I was there almost weekly in high school. I really can’t create a way to counter attack. A mass of people climbing up and over a shoulder high wall while others come up the stairs might work, but that level of thinking when there is a staircase a few feet away is a lot to expect from your average person blindsided by something like this.

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    #BREAKING: Law enforcement official says authorities have identified gunman and the weapon he used to kill 12 at bar in California.
    - AP


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    #ThousandOaks: Officials say the shooter was armed with a legally purchased .45-caliber glock. - ABC News

    https://twitter.com/BreakingIEN/stat...32039420727296
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    Breeta, your description is spot on. Looks like the area loses its “Safest City” moniker for quite a while.

    College night and all-ages nights are a little less country than the regular nights. They mix in some other styles along with the country. But yes, odd to target the only country bar in the area. Unless that was the point.

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    #ThousandOaks: Officials say the shooter was armed with a legally purchased .45-caliber glock. - ABC News
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    Agreed Lilbitsnana. I consider that mentally ill to take personal revenge to that extreme.

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    “Law enforcement officials say they have a tentative identification, but they're not yet revealing the name. The gunman is a white male, born in 1990 who is heavily tattooed, the officials said.” #Borderline #ThousandOaks https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...fornia-n933831 … via @NBCNews
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    #BREAKING: California bar gunman identified as 29-year-old Ian Long, law enforcement officials tell NBC News



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    I'm watching ABC7 local news and their guest right now linked the shooter with White Supremacist shooter and said he would mimic the same weapon, shooting. He didn't bother mentioning the local San Bernardino Islamist Pulse Club shooter.

    The #Borderline shooter had a dark beard.



    Jordan Jackson
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    BREAKING: Calif. bar mass shooting suspect identified as Ian Long, 29, according to several law enforcement officials #massshooting #ThousandOaks #VenturaCounty @NBCNews






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    If he was white shooter... CNN and MSNBC would have had the headline 4 hours ago.

    Since 6 hours and just 29 yo male

    It’s obviously a Jihadist and they won’t release the info-

    #massshooting #Borderline




    Heavily-tattooed gunman was 29, drove mother's car to bar before silently opening fire, source says
    By Richard Winton , Rong-Gong Lin II and Brittny Mejia
    Nov 08, 2018 | 6:05 AM
    Heavily-tattooed gunman was 29, drove mother's car to bar before silently opening fire, source says
    Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean updates reporters after a gunman killed 12 people at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks. (Sean Greene / Los Angeles Times)

    A witness said early Thursday that the gunman in the Thousand Oaks shooting was dressed in black when he entered the Borderline Bar & Grill around 11:20 p.m.

    Holden Harrah, 21, was among the hundreds inside listening to music Wednesday night as a part of a college night event.

    He said he looked over at the front door and saw the man walk in wearing a black hat, glasses and a black shirt. He had a beard, Harrah said.

    “He just pulled out a gun and shot my friend that was working the front desk,” he said.

    The first couple of shots, Harrah said, his voice wavering, hit the girl he knew and immediately everyone dropped to the floor. He said he got access to a side door and ran out.

    “I heard more gunshots behind me. I was freaking out,” he said.

    Little is known about the man who caused so much carnage, killing at least 12 people and injuring more. The suspect himself died in the incident, authorities said

    L.A. Now

    Gunman kills 12 in 'horrific' mass shooting at Thousand Oaks bar packed with college students
    Nov 08, 2018 | 5:15 AM

    Authorities have not disclosed the suspect’s name, but a law enforcement source told The Times that he was 29-year-old man armed with a Glock .45 handgun and some type of smoke device.

    He drove his mother’s car to the attack and said nothing upon entering the bar, the source said.

    The gun was purchased in Ventura County, the source said.

    Authorities said the man was heavily tattooed but apparently didn’t have identification on him.

    Police detectives are trying to determine a motive. “We have no idea if there’s a terrorism link,” Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said Thursday.

    Police initially learned of the rampage from numerous 911 calls. The first law enforcement personnel arrived on scene at 11:22 p.m., and made entry four minutes later, officials said.

    Sheriff’s Sgt. Ron Helus and a California Highway Patrol officer were met with gunfire, according to Dean. Helus was shot several times and died at an area hospital early Thursday morning, he said.

    Helus, a 29-year veteran of the department, was planning to retire next year, and Dean said he died “a hero.” He is survived by a son and his wife, whom he called before entering the bar, the sheriff said.
    FULL COVERAGE: At least 12 killed in Thousand Oaks bar shooting »

    About 15 minutes after that initial encounter, a second group of law enforcement personnel arrived and entered the bar, the sheriff said; by then, no gunfire could be heard.

    People were hiding the bar’s restrooms and in its attic, Dean said.

    The suspect was found down with a gunshot wound when the officers entered the building, the sheriff said.

    6:05 a.m.: Updated with suspect’s tattoos.

    5:10 a.m.: Updated with the gun being purchased in Ventura County,

    Originally posted at 4:50 a.m.


    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...108-story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breeta View Post
    catching up... “he wore a ski mask over bottom half of his face” - sounds like ANTIFA... no?
    Sounds, and acted like ANTIFA, was my impression. Others called it a scarf, and some said that it was a beard, each of which paints a slightly differing impression of likely shooter, IMO.
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    Prayers for the victims and the heroic LEOs.
    Sounds like Antifa to me.
    Or just another Mainstream Liberal Democrat gunning down a few Conservatives.
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    Progressives Don't Let Their Friends Be Democrats Retweeted NBC News

    The shooter is a "29 year old white male"
    #ThousandOaks

    Progressives Don't Let Their Friends Be Democrats added,
    NBC News
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    BREAKING: Calif. bar mass shooting suspect identified as Ian Long, 29, several law enforcement officials tell @NBCNews - @PeteWilliamsNBC


    https://nbcnews.to/2yVz8cQ



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    BREAKING: Calif. bar mass shooting suspect identified as Ian Long, 29, several law enforcement officials tell @NBCNews - @PeteWilliamsNBC
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    #Breaking #News #Update
    #ThousandOaks #Borderline Shooting Suspect

    28 y/o; Lived in Newbury Park, California

    Used mother's car to drive to Borderline Bar & Grill


    #Trump = #Increased #MassShooter Incidents
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