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    2 HIGHLY Recommed the book: CARRION COMFORT (1989) by Dan Simmons

    Hat-tip to DesertVet2 who recommended this book.

    It's touted as 'Horror' (and I think it's right up there with the Book of Revelation as far as being VERY scary), but I took it's premise to be a stunningly accurate outlook (and inward look) on humanity.

    History has shown us, you don't have to be an actual, living-dead, blood-sucking vampire in order to take 'control' of people's lives but Simmons has put this in such a form where the non-thinking would take this novel as a kind of Anne Rice prelude, but to those who THINK and PAY ATTENTION, this book is a blood-curdling look at humanity!

    More than once I visibly shivered, would put the book down and pray when I read passages such as....

    Saul had lectured on the "peculiar and perverse strain of modern violence and such books and movies as The Exorcist, The Omen, and innumerable imitations, going back to Rosemary's Baby. Saul had seen the rash of demonic-children entertainments as a symptom of deeper underlying fears and hatreds; the "me-generation's" inability to shift into the role of responsible parenthood at the cost of having their own interminable childhood, the transference of guilt from divorce- the child is not really a child, but an older evil thing, capable of deserving any abuse resulting from the adult's selfish actions- and the anger of an entire society, revolting after two decades of a culture dominated by and devoted to youthful looks, youth-oriented music, juvenile movies and television and movie myth of the adult-child inevitably wiser, calmer, and more 'with it' than the childish adults in the household. ...Child-fear and child-hatred becoming visible in popular shows and books had its irrational roots in common guilts, shared anxieties, and the universal angst of the age. He had warned that the national wave of abuse, neglect, and callousness towards children had its historical antecedents and that it would run its course...."[p 702]
    "To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint" [p 707]
    For a Whopping 884-page book, written in 1989, it is an amazingly accurate picture of where we are at now, especially politically with bought-and-paid-for, bribed, and blackmailed politicians leading a group of sheep one way as another group is led the other way.

    It is morals lost and/or wrestled with, fears, and choosing - or NOT CHOOSING- to have choices.

    It is Game of thrones lingo mixed in with every political platitude we have ever heard. It is horrifically true and sad with glimmers of hope thrown in. It is a non-stop, page-turning, sobering horrific 'history' book AND look into the future. I think it should be REQUIRED READING!
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    I’m reading it too. I’m only on page 229. I found the human chess game terrifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eens View Post
    I’m reading it too. I’m only on page 229. I found the human chess game terrifying.
    Yup. OWNED...PAWNS....SHEEP!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eens View Post
    I’m reading it too. I’m only on page 229. I found the human chess game terrifying.


    PLEASE PM me when you get done!! Would LOVE to hear your take! Oh, and I circled various paragraphs, statements that just sent chills up my spine. If YOU do that, we can compare notes.
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    I am pleased you are all "enjoying" the book.

    you will not be the same after finishing and reflecting, and that was the point.

    "I am so hungry, this will be the biggest feast ever....."

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    Ok. I usually highlight stuff but havent in this book...yet.

    Im already thinking Im going to have to reread it.

    I wish they made a movie of it. IF they stayed true to the book. Books are always better than the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertvet2 View Post
    I am pleased you are all "enjoying" the book.

    you will not be the same after finishing and reflecting, and that was the point.

    "I am so hungry, this will be the biggest feast ever....."

    "I had forgotten....monsters do not die....they must be killed."
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    If I ever win the lottery my plan includes funding for this to be made into a three part movie box set.

    the book should be required reading for all high school students, with an intense book review report and class discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    "I had forgotten....monsters do not die....they must be killed."
    YES! When I read that I remember thinking, SO TRUE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    "I had forgotten....monsters do not die....they must be killed."
    How do you kill them - if in reality they are immortals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertvet2 View Post
    If I ever win the lottery my plan includes funding for this to be made into a three part movie box set.
    They did that for Atlas Shrugged. I saw that in the theater and bought the dvds. It was too bad they couldnt get the same actors for all 3 parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coulter View Post
    How do you kill them - if in reality they are immortals?
    Shoot them in the head.
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    Wow, Amazon is listing used hardbacks starting at $85! Fortunately there's a paperback edition too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Wow, Amazon is listing used hardbacks starting at $85! Fortunately there's a paperback edition too.
    Bookfinder.com is the first place I go to get used books!

    In right hand column, used starting at $6.02 (that's shipping INCLUDED)
    https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?a...on%2520comfort
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    I thought I'd let you know that I haven't forgotten about this thread.

    I don't have much time to read every day but I am still reading it. I just don't know what to discuss here because everyone is at a different place or haven't started the book yet. I don't want to give away anything.
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    I've read all of Dan Simmons's books and have them all in hardback from library used book sales before they were deemed 'rare'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestyle View Post
    I've read all of Dan Simmons's books and have them all in hardback from library used book sales before they were deemed 'rare'.
    Are they all dark like Carrion Comfort?
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    I have read it multiple times and weirdly enough, am in process of reading it again. I reccomended it to my daughter and a few others..they seem intimidated by the size of the book. It's hard to find people who read sometimes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by flame View Post
    I have read it multiple times and weirdly enough, am in process of reading it again. I reccomended it to my daughter and a few others..they seem intimidated by the size of the book. It's hard to find people who read sometimes..
    I can see reading it more than once, there is so much in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    Yup. OWNED...PAWNS....SHEEP!!!
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    I googled "Carrion Comfort page 229 hman chess" and found a PDF of the book online. I downloaded it. I dont normally download anything due to virses etc..

    Anyway, another interesting book that gets in yor head is "A Canticle for Leibowitz"

    Some of the tech mentioned in the book is dated since it was written in the 1950's, but, like Atlas Shrugged the message is 100% spot on.

    Below is a review:

    Miller is best known for the only novel he published in his lifetime, “A Canticle for Leibowitz.” Composed of a trilogy of novellas that originally appeared in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction,_ _”Canticle,” which was released in 1959, has never been out of print, selling more than two million copies. While it hasn’t attracted the following enjoyed by “The Lord of the Rings” or even “Dune,” it remains a hugely influential book and a landmark of post-apocalyptic fiction. Along with Ray Bradbury’s “The Martian Chronicles,” “A Canticle for Leibowitz” was one of the first novels to escape from the science-fiction ghetto and become a staple of high-school reading lists. Its legacy can be seen in the works of Gene Wolfe, Margaret Atwood, and many other speculative-fiction authors who came after him, as well as in the current flood of end-of-the-world novels, TV shows, and movies.

    The book’s first novella, “Fiat Homo” (“Let there be Man”), is set at a monastery in the Utah desert some six hundred years after a nuclear holocaust known as the Flame Deluge. The war caused a backlash against learning and knowledge, called the Simplification, which wiped out almost all traces of civilization. Most of the people on earth are illiterate. Many are deformed by radiation. The monks who reside in the monastery are devoted to honoring the memory of Isaac Edward Leibowitz, a Jewish scientist at Los Alamos who was martyred for his efforts to safeguard scientific knowledge in the aftermath of the conflict. They collect and transcribe the “Leibowitz Memorabilia,” including shopping lists, technical documents, and circuit diagrams that they cannot even begin to understand. The protagonist of “Fiat Homo” is a bumbling but well-intentioned novice named Francis who, during a Lenten fast in the desert, accidentally discovers the fallout shelter Leibowitz used. This discovery results in Leibowitz’s elevation to sainthood. Francis makes the treacherous journey to New Rome to witness the canonization and is killed by mutant tribesmen on his way back to the abbey.

    The second novella, “Fiat Lux” (“Let there be Light”), takes place hundreds of years later, in the thirty-second century. Like most middle parts of trilogies, it is the least compelling—”the long belly of a dachshund, slung ... between two pairs of sturdy legs,” as Peter Matthiessen characterized the second volume of his Watson trilogy. After more than a millennium, mankind is on the cusp of emerging from the dark ages brought about by the Flame Deluge. Hostility is brewing among the city-states (Denver, Texarkana, Monterey) that have risen out of the former American nation. A prominent scientist named Thon Taddeo, a latter-day Newton or Einstein, visits the monastery to investigate its holdings. He is astonished to find that one of the monks has created a working electric light, which is powered by a sort of treadmill. Taddeo believes the Leibowitz Memorabilia will lead him to breakthroughs in his work, but the abbot refuses to let Taddeo take items from the library back to Texarkana. Meanwhile, the abbey narrowly avoids being used as a military base for an attack on Denver.

    The final part, “Fiat Voluntas Tua” (“Let Thy Will Be Done”), describes the beginning of another nuclear war, this time between the world’s two dominant powers, the Atlantic Confederacy and the Asian Coalition. It is the year 3781 and civilization has not only recovered but has developed beyond the level it was at in the mid-twentieth century. Nation-states once again have nuclear arsenals. Space travel between earth and distant colonies has become common. There is even a communication device in the abbey that is a combination of Google Translate and Google Voice. As the war begins, the abbot Dom Zerchi, instructs a group of monks to flee the earth for a colony near Alpha Centauri. They take the Leibowitz Memorabilia with them. After they depart, the abbey, which has stood for nearly two thousand years, is demolished by an atomic bomb. The abbot is crushed in the ruins. The final passages of the book are an eerie imagining of the Earth without mankind:

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    I bought the Kindle version and just finished the "human chess" part. I read until 2am, just totally engrossed in the story.

    My question/observation so far is this... it would certainly explain the Dim behavior if this were possible (and I'm quite sure in some form, it probably is). Not all Trump supporters are Christians, but it does seem the vast majority of Christians are conservative. Could it be that we are protected by the Holy Spirit from the delusions they are under? Seriously.

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    Kindle version is $11.99. The Kindle app is free. I have it synced to my phone and tablet so I can read anywhere, and it keeps up with my place.

    https://www.amazon.com/Carrion-Comfo.../dp/B00305CYHE

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    I like paper books, I only have a little time each day to read so it's taking me quite awhile. I'll be flying to Phoenix this week so maybe I'll have more time to read, but I am going with a friend and meeting friends so we'll see.
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    Yep. It's long. I finished it a few days ago, IIRC it's the first thing from this writer I've read. Might be the last, too.

    He needs to consult with someone who knows guns.

    The psycho stuff is really psycho, what more can you say about bad dangerous crazy people. I wouldn't read too much into the book/idea as an explanation for political behavior however, psychos gotta psycho.
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    The Kindle version has an introduction by the author, which is quite interesting. You can download a sample of the book for free, and it's in there. He got the idea in a dream, but it was several years before he wrote the book. Had a very hard time getting it published.

    It blows my mind, because (thankfully) I don't think like this. Never in a million years would I have come up with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momma_soapmaker View Post
    The Kindle version has an introduction by the author, which is quite interesting. You can download a sample of the book for free, and it's in there. He got the idea in a dream, but it was several years before he wrote the book. Had a very hard time getting it published.

    It blows my mind, because (thankfully) I don't think like this. Never in a million years would I have come up with this one.
    Thanks. I'll read the intro on the Kindle.
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    and just "why" might you all think, he had such a hard time getting it published?

    Looking at human history and all.......

    Have you ever been in love with a succubus?

    Have you ever seen a persons pupils go vertical briefly?

    Then you have lived a very sheltered life, be thankful.

    There are more horrors in this world than you can imagine,. once your eyes have been opened there really is no going back to sleep.

    Our ancestors knew of these things, we have been lulled to sleep.

    But soon, we will all re-learn why humans used to fear the dark.

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    You're a rather cheerful fellow, dv2.

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    I am all sunshine and lollipops.

    Sometimes I can be dark,.but that is just the reality oozing in.

    If the grid we're.to go down for any length of time. ( Fear the dark ref.)

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    I'm about 3/4 through the book. Where's everyone else at in it?

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    I started it a couple of weeks ago. Less than a quarter into the book. Pretty sure I'll force myself to finish it. Some books keep me up all night to finish. This one may keep me up nights.
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    I should be done by Tuesday.
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    It certainly gives you a lot to think about. I can see this happening on so many levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luddite View Post
    I started it a couple of weeks ago. Less than a quarter into the book. Pretty sure I'll force myself to finish it. Some books keep me up all night to finish. This one may keep me up nights.
    I get that - I wish the print wasn't so small
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    Quote Originally Posted by momma_soapmaker View Post
    I'm about 3/4 through the book. Where's everyone else at in it?
    I am too.

    When we were stuck on the tarmack with mechanical problems in Denver last Monday night I was at the part where Harod was being tortured in the 1st class lounge in the private 747. I forced myself to read so I wouldn't panic at the thought of having a stoned stewardess giving the directions about the seatbelts etc and having read the nightmare stories of people trapped on a plane with the heat rising and the levels of the toilets rising too.

    The stewardess was really stoned and it was funny until the cabin filled with exhaust and she got on the microphone and whispered, "You are getting sleeeepy...." I have a good sense of humor but I was not entertained by that comment. She was back to normal 4 hours later when we finally landed. I wonder if she still has a job.

    Anyway, I was glad to have the book to divert my attention from the situation. LOL.

    Hopefully I'll be done by Christmas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin Zen View Post
    interesting find - here are ALL of them:

    Dan Simmons - Carrion Comfort 1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoiFXYCItC0

    Dan Simmons - Carrion Comfort 2
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_QUivATfk

    Dan Simmons - Carrion Comfort 3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qscuFwwcO5E

    Dan Simmons - Carrion Comfort 4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAIM8QhkuAw

    all you over the road truckers - that's FOURTY HOURS of listening . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    PLEASE PM me when you get done!! Would LOVE to hear your take! Oh, and I circled various paragraphs, statements that just sent chills up my spine. If YOU do that, we can compare notes.
    Please, oh please share your insights with us??? This quote, alone, has overtaken my thought processes for the past 20 minutes and I'm not done . . . "To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint"

    Another pearl (from our own momma soapmaker): Could it be that we are protected by the Holy Spirit from the delusions they are under? -"they" being the Dims and TDS.
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    The premise of the book is certainly intimidating...that there is an ability (technology) available which will allow one person to OVERRIDE another person's free will, even to the point of forever "killing" our conscience, such as the people Melanie used.

    That alone, is pause for consideration. I like Momma Soapmaker's suggestion that the Holy Spirit protects us.

    One observation from the book. Saul categorizes the people with this Ability as "zeros", beyond morality, not human. However, Tony was able to love, and feel remorse, and even understand it was not right to use his ability. Does that give us the hope that anyone can be rehabilitated?
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