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ILL IMM Tracking The Migrant Caravan Route
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  1. #41
    Need tanks, air support and real bullets whizzing by...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytonabill0001 View Post
    Jersey barriers???

    The only ones that will stop are the stroller pushers and the infirm... The caravan will get out of all vehicles and walk the rest of the way...

    Heck, I can just walk over them...
    All Jersey barriers are, are those concrete highway dividers. I can hop over one of those even at my age. Not a deterrent at all for anyone on foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    They are not seeking asylum. They have just invaded Mexico and placed their demands. Mexico has got to be having a rude awakening about now. How bloody will it get once in Mexico City?
    Better there than here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeker View Post
    "We demand not to criminalize and guarantee security and full respect for the human rights of the members of this exodus and those who accompany them as defenders."

    defenders??

    this jumped out at me
    As illegal invaders, we demand that you not resist us or our fellow goons.
    Pretty uppity, demanding rights and all.
    You do not have a right to enter our country illegally. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixin View Post
    I'm not finding much on any of the other groups. The group of 2000 is slightly behind the one we're watching. I read that they want to take the The Beast.

    I have no idea who might be at the beginning point of the route coming out of the major port city of Coalzacoalcos.

    As for our large caravan, the map in post #17 shows 2 blue circles in the very bottom right hand corner. That's where they were when I posted it.

    Here's their daily route so far; they are averaging about 25 miles per day.

    Sun, Oct 21: Ciudad Hidalgo to Tapachula = 23 miles
    Mon, Oct 22: Tapachula to Huixtla = 24 miles
    Wed, Oct 24: Huixtla to Mapastepec = 34 miles
    Thur, Oct 25: Mapastepec to Pijijiapan = 31 miles
    Fri, Oct 26: Pijijiapan to Arriaga
    Sat, Oct 27: Arriaga to San Pedro Tapanatepec
    Sun, Oct 28: San Pedro Tapanatepec to Niltepec = change of plans for press conference at 10am.

    The arrow points to their location (San Pedro Tapanatepec) as of this morning.

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    They’re spaced out like the Missions, a day’s walk for a traveler.
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    Check The Deal From Mexico That The Migrant Caravan Turned Down

    October 28, 2018
    Americans have been told the caravan of migrants wants to get to the United States because of the poverty and desperation in their home countries such as Honduras. And there is a lot of crime, poverty and desperation there. But the migrants just turned down a big offer from Mexico who is alternately helping and trying to stop the caravan.

    In an effort to stop the caravan from getting to the U.S. border and invoking the ire of President Donald Trump, President Enrique Pena Nieto made the migrants an offer of asylum and refugee status that would have included schooling, jobs, medical care and shelter.

    That would seem to be a great deal for people if they are poverty-stricken and desperate.

    1,700 applied for refugee status. But most turned the deal down.

    From Daily Caller:

    Thousands of migrants turned down Mexico’s President Enrique Pena Nieto’s program You Are In Your Home, The Associated Press reported Saturday.

    The program gives refugee status to those who apply and provide migrants access to shelter, medical attention, schooling and temporary employment opportunities to Central American migrants in the Chiapas and Oaxaca states, according to The AP.

    The condition was that they remain in the two Southen states therefore not proceeding north to the United States under the program.

    Those of working age would clean, repair and maintain infrastructure in the two southern Mexican states, according to the program. Migrants can also obtain Mexico’s version of a social security number called CURP (Clave Unica de Registro Publico). This will allow the migrants to have legal proof of identity, enter and leave shelters and open bank accounts.

    Mexico said that their desire to help to protect the human rights of migrants should not be interpreted as “an endorsement to irregular, massive and undocumented entry into Mexican territory.”

    So why did most of the migrants turn down what sounds like a great deal?

    Oscar Sosa, 58, explains, “Our goal is not to remain in Mexico. Our goal is to make it to the (U.S).”

    They believe that by sheer force of size they will ultimately be granted asylum and/or be allowed into the U.S.

    Trump ordered 800-1000 troops to the border to help with fencing and spotting people trying to get in. He is also considering shutting down the border. He’s told Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador that he will cut their foreign aid for not stopping the caravan.

    http://www.diamondandsilk.com/blog/2...n-turned-down/

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    I get most of the route info from the FB and Twitter accts of Pueblo Sin Fronteras.

    https://www.facebook.com/pg/PuebloSF...=page_internal
    https://twitter.com/pueblosf

    Yesterday, when they left Arriaga heading for San Pedro Tapanatepec, the Federal law enforcement and the National Guard set up a roadblock at the crossing of Chiapas and Oaxaca. It only lasted for an hour or two. The Caravan of mothers of disappeared migrants was there, too.

    As of 3 hours ago, they are still saying the caravan will not leave San Pedro Tapanatepec towards Niltepec at 4:00 am on Sunday. It will depart later. They had their press conference today but I can't find a version of it in English.

    In an older post, PuebloSF stated the route will include Juchitán and Tehuantepec. I assume they are still planning on stopping in Niltepec.

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    In listening to the Rense show, the lady Dr. (a regular guest) was saying that Soros has funded FLIGHTS of many people from other countries, incl. Africa, to be in the hordes of oncomers.

    This is an extremely organized and well funded operation meant to be an invasion. My guess is that the people are told to refuse amnesty by Mexico and force their way into this country.

    I hope you all know that these people are not walking great distances....there are trucks they ride in, most of the time. They walk for photo ops.

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    Bumping to the front page..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Be Well View Post
    Who knows how many millions of Mexicans are in the US and need to go back home.
    All of them that are not US citizens and illegal...
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    Heard on tv this morning that the second group is blocked at the southern Mexico border, despite chants of "Let us in."

    They also mentioned briefly there is a third group that has left El Salvador but didn't give any location.

  13. #53
    I don’t care about the route be it land sea or air…just stop it! BUILD THE WALL DAMN IT!

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    Thanks for the ongoing reports and for the thread, Mixin ...
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  15. New Trump tweet...


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    Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!
    THERE'S NO WAY IF YOU CAN REALLY KNOW WHETHER I'M HERE TO HELP YOU OR NOT, so it's really up to you.
    Just have to make up your own damn mind to accept what I'm going to tell you or reject it.
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  16. #56
    There are so many Walking Dead Horde threads, I didn't know which one to put this in, but decided to use this since it was on the front page:

    A snippet from brietbart.com, and the "For What's Worth" department:

    El Salvador nationals traveling with an at least 7,000-strong migrant caravan which is headed to the United States are detailing crime and poverty as their reasons for fleeing the country, both of which are ineligible asylum claims.
    El Salvadorans with the caravan, the Associated Press admits, are traveling through Mexico to the U.S. to escape gangs, crime, and poverty — none of which are eligible asylum claims:

    Thanks to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, former President Obama’s loosening of “credible fear” claims have been tightened to exclude foreign nationals fleeing gang violence, crime and domestic abuse.
    Allowing such claims by foreign nationals would give the entire population of Central America — about 32 million people — the right to migrate to the U.S. as the region is rife with gang violence and crime.

    As Breitbart News has chronicled, migrants with the caravan have repeatedly admitted that they are traveling to the U.S. to seek jobs, re-enter the U.S. as previously deported illegal aliens, and flee crime. None of these cases are eligible asylum claims.

    President Trump is expected to sign an executive order this week that will halt the caravan entering the U.S. on the legal grounds of national security.

    Less than six months ago, a similar migrant caravan was allowed to cross into the U.S. with weak asylum claims despite threats from President Trump to close down the border. Many migrants from that caravan are now illegal aliens living in the U.S. as they await their asylum hearings.
    More at link:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...asylum-claims/

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    The first group left San Pedro Tapanatepec this morning and made it to Niltepec.

    Things for the second group didn't go quite so smoothly:

    Migrant in Second Caravan Killed in Clashes With Authorities Near Guatemala-Mexico Border
    POSTED 10:07 PM, OCTOBER 28, 2018, BY ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Several thousand Central American migrants planned to resume their trek through southern Mexico before dawn Monday, while authorities in that country and Guatemala tried to sort out the killing of a migrant at a border crossing.

    On Sunday, while the band of migrants was resting and reorganizing in Tepanatepec, several hundred in another group more broke through border barriers in the Guatemala town of Tecun Uman just as members of the caravan did more than a week earlier. Those migrants clashed with Mexican authorities determined not to let the caravan grow or be repeated.

    The new group, whose members called themselves a second caravan, gathered on the international bridge leading from Tecun Uman to Mexico. Guatemalan firefighters confirmed that a 26-year-old Honduran was killed from a rubber bullet hitting his head.

    At a news conference late Sunday, Mexican Interior Secretary Alfonso Navarrete Prida denied that his country’s forces were responsible.

    He said that Mexican federal police and immigration agents were attacked with rocks, glass bottles and fireworks when migrants broke through a gate on the Mexican side of the border, but that none of the officers were armed with firearms or anything that could fire rubber bullets. Navarrete said some of the attackers carried guns and firebombs.

    “Mexico does not criminalize undocumented immigration,” he said.

    Also on Sunday, about 300 Salvadorans departed from San Salvador hoping to make their way to the U.S. as a group.

    Meanwhile, some of the migrants in the initial caravan, now estimated at 4,000 people, rested Sunday in the shade of tarps strung across the town plaza or picked up trash in Tapanatepec, population 7,500. Others soaked themselves in the nearby Novillero river.

    Tensions from a long trek through searing heat with tenuous supplies of food and other goods spilled over Saturday night when a dispute in a food line devolved into a beating. Many in the caravan have been on the road for more than two weeks, since the group first formed in San Pedro Sula, Honduras.

    Raul Medina Melendez, security chief for the tiny municipality in Oaxaca state, said the town was distributing sandwiches and water to migrants camped in the central square Saturday night when a man with a megaphone asked people to wait their turn.

    Some hurled insults at the man with the megaphone, then they attacked him, Medina said. Police rescued the man as he was being beaten and took him to a hospital for treatment, though his condition was not immediately clear.

    On Sunday, several in the caravan took to microphones to denounce the attack.

    “Is that the way we’re going to always behave?” a woman from Honduras asked.

    Others complained of trekkers smoking marijuana or warned that images of litter and uneaten food made them appear disrespectful.

    The group planned to set out early Monday for Niltepec, 54 kilometers (33 miles) to the northwest in Oaxaca state.

    The caravan still must travel 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) to reach the nearest U.S. border crossing at McAllen, Texas. The trip could be twice as long if the migrants head for the Tijuana-San Diego frontier, as another caravan did earlier this year. Only about 200 in that smaller group made it to the border.

    Most of the migrants in the caravan appeared determined to reach the U.S., despite an offer of refuge in Mexico.

    Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto launched a program Friday dubbed “You are home,” which promises shelter, medical attention, schooling and jobs to Central Americans who agree to stay in the southern Mexico states of Chiapas or Oaxaca, far from the U.S. border.

    Mexico’s interior minister said Sunday that temporary identity numbers had been issued to more than 300 migrants, which would allow them to stay and work in Mexico. The ministry said pregnant women, children and the elderly were among those who had joined the program and were now being attended at shelters.

    He said 1,895 had applied for refugee status in Mexico.

    https://ktla.com/2018/10/28/migrant-...mexico-border/

  18. #58
    Same thing has and continues in Europe. It will happen here. And we the American people can thank the DEMOCRATS.

  19. #59
    Here is a good video about the situation:

    The Truth About the Honduran Caravan! | Stefan Molyneux

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-AoXo9uKMk
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    There are a lot of pix at the site.
    You can see the semis formed up.
    Practice discernment as always, with the pix. Some may be honest news, some may be bogus.
    This is a long article and I cleaned it up as best I could.
    5,200 troops packing marshmallows is not going to cut it.


    SS

    'Second migrant caravan storms into Mexico: 'Violent' group from Central America carrying BOMBS and guns defies a huge police presence to cross the border from Guatemala as Trump deploys 5,200 troops


    The second caravan making their way up through Central America have members armed with explosives
    Had gasoline bombs made of soft-drink bottles, and improvised PVC tubes to launch fireworks
    Mexican federal police briefly blocked the migrants from crossing the Suchiate River on Monday
    But the migrants soon defied the law enforcement presence and broke through into Mexico
    Many tried to swim or wade across to Mexico, some while carrying children
    Law enforcement avoided a second day of violence, a day after a confrontation left one migrant dead

    By Associated Press

    Published: 19:38 EDT, 29 October 2018 | Updated: 08:25 EDT, 30 October 2018






    The second migrant caravan, believed to be armed with bombs and guns, crossed into Mexico on Monday despite a huge police presence.

    Hundreds of migrants following in the footsteps of the first caravan heading to the U.S. border crossed a river from Guatemala.

    A low-flying police helicopter hovered overhead as the migrants waded in large groups through the Suchiate River's murky waters, apparently trying to use the downdraft from its rotors to discourage them.

    Guatemala's Noti7 channel reported that one man drowned and aired video of a man dragging a seemingly lifeless body from the river.

    Once on the Mexican side the migrants were surrounded and escorted by black-uniformed officers as sirens wailed.

    The second group back at the Guatemalan frontier has been more unruly than the first that crossed. Guatemala's Interior Ministry said Guatemalan police officers were injured when the migrant group broke through border barriers on Guatemala's side of the bridge.

    Mexico authorities said migrants attacked its agents with rocks, glass bottles and fireworks when they broke through a gate on the Mexican end but were pushed back, and some allegedly carried guns and firebombs.

    On Monday, Mexican Interior Secretary Alfonso Navarrete Prida lamented what he called a second 'violent attempt' to storm the border, accusing people of placing the elderly, pregnant women and children at the front, putting them at risk of being crushed.

    'Fortunately, that did not happen,' he said.




    The second migrant caravan, including members believed to be carrying bombs and guns, crossed into Mexico on Monday despite a huge police presence. Cops are seen allowing some of the migrants on the banks of the Suchiate River after the arduous crossing, but they were stopped from moving any further


    The migrants were met by hundreds of federal officers in riot gear on the river bank. It followed a night of violence that left one Central American dead

    Central American migrants walk along the highway near of Ciudad Hidalgo after crossing to Mexico from Guatemala willing to reach the U.S.


    The second group back at the Guatemalan frontier has been more unruly than the first that crossed. Guatemala's Interior Ministry said Guatemalan police officers were injured when the migrant group broke through border barriers on Guatemala's side of the bridge
    Hundreds of Central American migrants are seen on Monday attempted to wade through the brown waters of the Suchiate River from Guatemala to Mexico
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    Hundreds of Central American migrants are seen on Monday attempted to wade through the brown waters of the Suchiate River from Guatemala to Mexico
    The caravan migrants are seen making their way through the river on Monday in Tecun Uman, Guatemala
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    The caravan migrants are seen making their way through the river on Monday in Tecun Uman, Guatemala
    A helicopter of the Mexican Police flies over members of the second migrant caravan, mostly Hondurans, as they cross the Suchiate River
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    A helicopter of the Mexican Police flies over members of the second migrant caravan, mostly Hondurans, as they cross the Suchiate River

    The standoff at the riverbank followed a more violent confrontation that occurred on the bridge over the river Sunday night, when migrants threw rocks and used sticks against Mexico police. One migrant died from a head wound during the clash, but the cause was unclear.

    Hundreds of miles up the road in southern Mexico, the first caravan of some 4,000 migrants resumed its advance, still at least 1,000 miles or farther from their goal of reaching the United States as the Pentagon announced it would send 5,200 active-duty troops to 'harden' the U.S.-Mexico border. There are already more than 2,000 National Guard troops providing assistance at the border.

    The caravan currently has about 4,000 people, but has been dwindling. Earlier this year, only about 200 from a caravan of some 1,000 migrants reached the Tijuana-San Diego frontier.

    The Pentagon announcement comes as President Donald Trump has been focusing on the caravan to stir up his base a week before midterm elections. On Monday he tweeted: 'This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!'


    Dust clouds are created by a Mexican Federal Police helicopter flying close to the Suchiate River in order to create a downwash force to discourage the migrants bound for the US border

    A new group of Central American migrants bound for the US border, wade in mass across the Suchiate River that connects Guatemala and Mexico Monday

    The first group of migrants was able to cross the river on rafts - an option now blocked by Mexican Navy river and shore patrols
    Aerial view showing migrants reaching Mexico after crossing the Suchiate River from Tecun Uman in Guatemala to Ciudad Hidalgo in Mexico
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    Aerial view showing migrants reaching Mexico after crossing the Suchiate River from Tecun Uman in Guatemala to Ciudad Hidalgo in Mexico
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    Young children made the perilous river crossing on the back of their older siblings and parents
    Baby strollers are seen being carried by migrants above the surface of the water during their river crossing Monday


    Baby strollers are seen being carried by migrants above the surface of the water during their river crossing Monday
    Some migrants packed their belongings in black garbage bags to protect them from the water


    Some migrants packed their belongings in black garbage bags to protect them from the water
    Central American migrants form a human chain to help one another cross the Suchiate River, the natural border between Guatemala and Mexico


    Central American migrants form a human chain to help one another cross the Suchiate River, the natural border between Guatemala and Mexico
    Migrants link hands for safety while crossing the Suchiate River from Tecun Uman to Ciudad Hidalgo in Mexico, after a security fence on the international bridge was reinforced to prevent them from passing through


    Migrants link hands for safety while crossing the Suchiate River from Tecun Uman to Ciudad Hidalgo in Mexico, after a security fence on the international bridge was reinforced to prevent them from passing through
    A migrant in the second caravan clutches his bag pack in the middle of the river Monday


    A migrant in the second caravan clutches his bag pack in the middle of the river Monday

    Earlier in the day, members of the caravan strung out along the highway outside the city of Tapanatepec, some waiting for rides while others plodded toward their goal for the day: Niltepec, about 34 road miles (54 kilometers) to the northwest. Federal Police patrols drove slowly alongside encouraging them to stay on the shoulder.

    Victor Argueta, 54, of Santa Barbara, Honduras, said he and his wife had spent two nights sleeping on the international bridge between Tecun Uman, Guatemala, and Ciudad Hidalgo, Mexico, before eventually crossing the river on a raft.

    'We came with the goal of wanting to improve our future for ourselves and for our family. We did not come with the intention of finding death on the road,' Argueta said, reflecting on the news of the Honduran man's death the previous night. 'Maybe that boy came with good intentions, perhaps with a young person's idea of supporting his family.'

    Sandra Rodriguez, 31, had heard about the incident because her husband's family lives in Tecun Uman. The couple from Guatemala City had joined the caravan in the border town and never considered someone could die on the bridge.

    'I think they are risking much to cross to this side,' Rodriguez said.

    While catching rides from passing trucks was a largely impromptu affair in the first week of the caravan, it has now become more organized. On Monday, more than 100 migrants lined up at a gas station parking lot to wait for rides.

    Mayor Ramiro Nolasco of the town of Zanatepec said locals had organized a bus and several trucks to carry migrants, mainly women and children.

    'We are helping our brothers from other countries with food, water, and transportation,' Nolasco said. 'It is going to be very little, compared to what they need.'

    At a checkpoint near the town, some migrants gathered to ask for help returning home to Honduras, the origin of the great majority of those in the caravan. Exhausted from many days on the road, and disheartened by the many miles yet to go and misbehavior by some fellow travelers, people have been dropping out from the caravan, which at its peak was estimated at more than 7,000.

    The generosity shown by small towns and residents when the migrants first began trekking through southern Mexico has also lessened. At the last stop, few people came out to offer food, clothes and other items, said Hasiel Isamar Hernandez, a 28-year-old Honduran mother of three who has been with the caravan since it started in her hometown of San Pedro Sula.


    Migrants climb on the trailer of a truck as others wait in a line for a ride on the road that connects Tapanatepec with Niltepec, Mexico
    Migrants walk next to Mexican police officers after they swam across the Suchiate River from Ciudad Tecun Uman in Guatemala to Ciudad Hidalgo in Mexico
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    Migrants walk next to Mexican police officers after they swam across the Suchiate River from Ciudad Tecun Uman in Guatemala to Ciudad Hidalgo in Mexico
    Hundreds of members of the second migrant caravan, mostly Hondurans, walk into Mexican territory after crossing the Suchiate River on foot
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    Hundreds of members of the second migrant caravan, mostly Hondurans, walk into Mexican territory after crossing the Suchiate River on foot
    Henry Adalid, a 26-year-old Honduran migrant (pictured), was killed after being struck in the head with a rubber bullet during unrest Sunday on the Guatemala-Mexico border
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    Henry Adalid, a 26-year-old Honduran migrant (pictured), was killed after being struck in the head with a rubber bullet during unrest Sunday on the Guatemala-Mexico border
    Mexico has denied that its forces were responsible for Adalid's death
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    Mexico has denied that its forces were responsible for Adalid's death

    'Of the friends that I have been with, all want to go back,' Hernandez said, adding that many had blistered feet. For her, the last straw was when her husband told her that her 3-year-old daughter back home had stopped eating because she missed her mother.

    Another Honduran, Teodozo Melendez, 31, was also waiting for a bus back home after fighting a fever for two days. His body ached.

    'I thought it would be easier,' Melendez said, lying on the ground.

    Melendez's goal had been to join relatives living in Houston. His experience with the caravan had taught him one thing, he said: 'The next time, I'm going to need a 'coyote,'' or smuggler.

    Mexico said Sunday that temporary identity numbers had been issued to more than 300 migrants, which would allow them to stay and work in Mexico. Pregnant women, children and the elderly were among those who joined the program and were now being attended at shelters.

    At least 1,895 have applied for refugee status in Mexico, and hundreds of others have accepted assisted returns to their country of origin.
    Central American migrants try to force their way through a customs gate at the border bridge connecting Guatemala and Mexico, in Tecun Uman, Sunday
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    Central American migrants try to force their way through a customs gate at the border bridge connecting Guatemala and Mexico, in Tecun Uman, Sunday
    Migrants wait in a slow-moving line to collect money transfers sent by relatives back home, as a caravan of Central Americans trying to reach the US border halts for a rest day in Tapanatepec, Oaxaca state, Mexico
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    Migrants wait in a slow-moving line to collect money transfers sent by relatives back home, as a caravan of Central Americans trying to reach the US border halts for a rest day in Tapanatepec, Oaxaca state, Mexico
    This map shows the progress of the migrants as of Sunday, when a new caravan also departed from San Salvador
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    This map shows the progress of the migrants as of Sunday, when a new caravan also departed from San Salvador
    Mexico's interior minister said federal police and immigration agents were attacked with rocks, glass bottles and fireworks. Pictured: A Honduran migrant is seen holding rocks
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    Mexico's interior minister said federal police and immigration agents were attacked with rocks, glass bottles and fireworks. Pictured: A Honduran migrant is seen holding rocks
    A Central American migrant of the second caravan to the United States is seen with a bandage on his head
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    A man wounded during the confrontation between the Central American migrants and police
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    Migrants were left bloodied and bruised during the violent confrontation with Mexican federal police and immigration agents
    Thousands of immigrants broke through the border fence between Guatemala and Mexico and crossed to Mexican territory Sunday
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    Thousands of immigrants broke through the border fence between Guatemala and Mexico and crossed to Mexican territory Sunday
    Mexican federal police arrive to provide security, following some complaints by irate local residents regarding some of the migrants in Tapanatepec, Mexico
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    Mexican federal police arrive to provide security, following some complaints by irate local residents regarding some of the migrants in Tapanatepec, Mexico
    Migrants, part of the first caravan of 7,000 from Central America en route to the United States, wait in line for food donations in San Pedro Tapanatepec, Mexico, Sunday
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    Migrants, part of the first caravan of 7,000 from Central America en route to the United States, wait in line for food donations in San Pedro Tapanatepec, Mexico, Sunday

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ms-Mexico.html
    “Then the creatures of the high air answered to the battle, .., and the woods trembled and the wind sobbed telling them, the earth shook,; the witches of the valley, and the wolves of the forests, howled from every quarter and on every side of the armies, urging them against one another.”
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    No air vents on those 53 ft trailers. Wonder how long before there is a trailer full of invaders that have suffocated, or succumbed from heat ?

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    The first group did not travel to Niltepec on Sunday as planned, instead they rested up for the day. They left for Niltepec yesterday morning but I can't find any updates. An older post said the route will include Juchitán and Tehuantepec; so I'm assuming they made it to Juchitan yesterday and are on their way to Tehuantepec today.

    This map is from SS's Daily Mail post (Thanks). The second group is over a week behind the first, following the same path so far. The map was accurate as of Sunday and they were in Ciudad Hidalgo. It looks like the plan still may be to take The Beast toward Brownsville.

    Nothing about the Salvadorans yet.

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    Mixin, I was just going to post the above map, but you got it up first, so I'll just post some illustrations.





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    I haven't found link for this, will post if I find link:


    EVERY SENATE DEMOCRAT CO-SPONSORED FEINSTEIN'S BILL WHICH
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    Democrat Sen Feinstein Promised That If Democrats Takeover at midterms, her "Border Separation Bill,"

    W/ 46 Democratic And Two Independent Co-Sponsors, "Will Get Passed."
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    The first group was in Juchitán as of 12 hours ago.

    *************************

    A couple of articles...

    https://www.diariodelsur.com.mx/loca...uarta-caravana
    https://www.diariodelsur.com.mx/loca...en-la-caravana

    The fourth caravan forms in San Salvador
    Diario del Sur Wednesday, October 31, 2018 in Local
    Carlos Mejia

    Migrant Salvadorans also seek to reach US territory to improve their standard of living

    A fourth migrant caravan is being formed since Tuesday afternoon in the "Divino Salvador del Mundo" square, in San Salvador, Central America.

    It is estimated that this Salvadoran group will outnumber the one that left on October 28 and that this morning began a staggered entry into Mexican territory, from which some are already documented.

    The fourth wave of Central Americans will seek to cross Guatemalan territory on Wednesday.

    The difficult economic situation in El Salvador, coupled with the problem of insecurity, motivate the hundreds of migrants to leave their country and venture to a risky journey that seeks to challenge the anti-immigrant policy of US President Donald Trump.

    The migrants call for the solidarity and generosity of the people they will travel, so they intend to erase the bad taste of mouth left by the second of the caravans, in that unstoppable Central American migratory tsunami.

    ********************

    A murderer and a drug dealer came in the caravan
    Diario del Sur Tuesday, October 30, 2018
    Miguel Rojas

    They are wanted in Honduras, one for drug trafficking and the other for the crime of three people

    Two Hondurans who were in the caravan of migrants were identified and detained since both had an arrest warrant in Honduras, Central America.

    Adían Josué "N" of 21 years, is required for the crime of drug trafficking. Photo: Special.

    When entering their general data to the database, the Federal Police (PF) in coordination with the National Institute of Migration (INM) identified Adian Josué "N" of 21 years of age, who is required for the crime of trafficking in drugs, while Juan Carlos "N", 47 years old, is wanted for the murder of three people.

    Given these facts, the detainees were arrested and taken to the Siglo XXI Migration Station.

    Juan Carlos "N", 47 years old, is wanted for the murder of three people

    Also, the authorities gave part to the Interpol, National Police of Honduras and the High Level Security Group (Ganseg), so the two subjects were already transferred to their country of origin to deliver them to the authorities who claim them.

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    There's been a sudden major change in route plans today. The new route will take them towards Veracruz...Coatzacoalcos is where the other migrant route begins. I wonder if our president knows why a migrant route starts there? It that port favored by incoming illegal aliens?

    https://www.facebook.com/pg/PuebloSF...=page_internal

    Juchitán, Oaxaca
    11:30 PM 31 October 2018

    The Exodus decided a few moments ago through an extraordinary assembly an important change of route. The departure of November 1TH WILL BE AT 5 am from juchitán to Matias Romero on foot.

    Exodus members considered several factors in this decision. The delicate condition of health, especially children, involves ida risks to the lack of access to medical services on the route to Oaxaca. The road to the city of Oaxaca is narrow with curves, hills and few villages with infrastructure to receive this massive exodus of displaced people from Central America.

    In addition, the plan to go through Oaxaca in transport was blocked by the federal government. Today there was a chance of more than 70 buses from different sources of support, which under pressure from the federal government of Mexico withdrew their support, leaving the exodus the only option to follow on foot towards veracruz, a state with high risk of violence at hand From organized crime.

    It is urgently required that the Mexican authorities mobilize responsibly to safeguard the safety and physical integrity of each of the displaced women, children and families who will walk through this route.

    Any aggression against the members of the exodus and companions will be the complete responsibility of the Mexican Federal Government.



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    My son was in Mexico City on biz Monday-Wednesday. I asked him if they were talking caravan...NOPE, they got problems of their own to deal with. NO water.

    https://www.upi.com/Millions-in-Mexi...2521540931602/

    Millions in Mexico City area face weeklong water outage

    Published: Oct. 30, 2018 at 6:27 PM

    Patrick Timmons

    MEXICO CITY, Oct. 30 (UPI) -- Millions of central Mexican residents face a weeklong water outage starting Wednesday.

    The public water system's engineers say the outage is necessary to undertake major refurbishment of the reservoir pipelines feeding the metropolitan area from the Cutzamala reservoir, one of the world's 10 largest freshwater delivery systems. Pumping stations also require upgrading, as does the electrical supply and the purification system.

    "Normally one talks about the metropolitan area, not just Mexico City, and the reason is the water comes from Cutzamala," said Cecilia Tortajada, senior research fellow at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy in Singapore who is an international authority on public water systems.

    The metropolitan area, with more than 20 million people, draws from two sources of water, an aquifer and the reservoir.

    "The amount of water taken from the aquifer should be reduced," Tortajada told UPI, "because of the risk it presents to infrastructure and places in the city that are subsiding. The aquifer is not being replenished so the metropolitan area depends on the Cutzamala reservoir system."

    The metropolitan area encompasses Mexico City, and the states of Mexico and Hidalgo. About 900,000 people in Mexico City face a total water shutoff and millions more will have water 70 percent of the time, totaling almost 4 million people. The outage also affects 3 million residents in Mexico state, the suburban-rural feeder for Mexico City. The engineering work is expected to end Sunday night, with a return to partial supply on Monday. The public utility services for Mexico City and the state of Mexico have also said it might take until Nov. 8 to restore full water service.

    "Everybody should learn from Mexico City's water system for what should not be done," Tortajada said.

    Leaky pipes

    Researchers at the National Autonomous University in Mexico City estimate that 35 percent of the water supplied to the city and the surrounding Mexico state is lost in leaks in pipes damaged by earthquakes, subsidence or age.

    Tortajada, who used to live in Mexico, worries about the health of the water system.

    "It is a system that is very resilient in that it is a system that keeps working in spite of being not maintained properly for decades," she said.

    "In this sense, the city is very lucky because it is still working. But it has not been improved for many years and because it is old and so many pipes have been added there are few people now who know physically how the system actually is. There are designs, of course, but it is the old engineers who actually know and I'm not sure that their knowledge at an institutional level has been passed from one generation to the other."

    Mexico City has gone from a city of houses to one of apartment buildings, with no corresponding transformation of the water delivery system, Tortajada said.

    "You still have the same pipes with the same diameter, which still get the same cubic meters per second. But now, instead of supplying a family in a house, the pipe supplies water to a building constructed where the house was and these can be 10 stories tall. So the people who live at the top never have enough water pressure."

    Tortajada said this week's work will not fix the problem of a system that is outdated for the uses its sustains.

    "The network of pipes is very big. It's not just the reservoir system that's the problem, and many of these pipes are broken. What we need is a holistic approach," Tortajada said.

    Unofficial holiday

    On Twitter, some residents are hailing the upcoming outage as the "mega shut-off."

    Friday is an unofficial public holiday in Mexico, with many capital residents traditionally leaving for a long weekend to visit family for Day of the Dead. Those who stay behind in the city on long weekends have become somewhat accustomed to water outages.

    "It feels like a forced holiday to me," said Irasema Mendoza, a working mother of two kindergarteners. "Schools including child care facilities are closing on Wednesday and won't reopen until the beginning of next week. But the thing is, my employers are not giving me Wednesday and Thursday off, so I don't know what to do with the children."

    The outage is technically necessary, she said, adding that many people don't have cisterns to store water during outages.

    "It's good to have this awareness about how much we use water," she said. "Maybe it will make people like my husband think more about how much water they use."

    To prepare for the imminent stoppage, Mexico City's mayor said the city will deploy more than 900 water trucks to deliver free water to affected neighborhoods. Delivery priority will be given to hospitals and prisons. Child care facilities in Mexico City run by the Mexican Social Security Institute will also close until Monday. The capital's major universities, totaling hundreds of thousands of students, faculty and support staff, will also close on Wednesday and reopen Monday. The closures are necessary to preserve water for hospitals and prisons, water utility authorities say.

    Between Christmas 2017 and New Year's Day 2018, the city's residents also faced an unannounced weeklong water outage while engineers conducted repairs to the Cutzamala reservoir.

    "This time around it is a little different because there has been more advanced notice," Tortajada said.

    Authorities have told city residents to store water in their homes, to take short showers and to use stored water for flushing toilets.

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    Thanks for the water info. I saw a blurb about water shortage but didn't realize how bad it is.

    The first caravan made it to Donaji today and the fourth one (2000+ Salvadorans) crossed into Mexico.
    Although there were a dozen patrols of the federal police and 10 trucks of migration, four buses to move people, the caravan passed freely without confrontations.
    This third #CaravanaMigrante is formed by approximately two thousand people, are seen more organized and with leaders who are accommodating by contingents of women, children and men at the extremes Video: Roberto Hernández
    http://
    https://www.elsoldemexico.com.mx/mex...u-2149064.html

    First caravan is coming up 185; I've circled their last 2 stops and the 2 before them are the blue lines at the bottom of the map. It will be interesting to see if they go all the way into Coatzacoalcos. I think that would indicate they are anticipating some sort of transportation. That route is too long between posted stops to walk, IMO.

    Here's a list of stops coming out of Coatzacoalcos; I'll post the last leg as they get closer:

    A. Coatzacoalcos
    B. Tierra Blanca
    C. Orizaba
    D. Federal District
    E. Celaya, Guanajuato, Salamanca
    F. Irapuato-Guanajuato, Marfil
    G. Guadalajara,
    H. Tepic, Nayarit
    I. Mazatlan, Sinaloa
    J. Culiacan, Sinaloa

    If the size of the maps I'm posting is too large, let me know.

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    You're welcome. I think group 2 is probably taking the railway, as planned, and that's why we aren't hearing about them.

    Can anyone translate "coberturando"?

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    #BREAKING: #Veracruz state governor Miguel Angel Yunes announces 100 buses to transport #MigrantCaravan to #Mexico city or “any other place they want”, as early as tomorrow. This as #migrants begin arriving to the state, where the they’ll receive humanitarian relief.

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    The Sun of Tampico

    Reynosa, Tamaulipas. - Agents of the Military Service and of the Custom and Border Protection of the United States keep in force the containment drills in the international bridges between Texas and Tamaulipas, with the objective of being prepared for the arrival of the caravan of Central American migrants. .

    These exercises have caused discomfort among the users of the crossings, as waiting times are increased, reports El Sol de Tampico.

    In response, CBP has requested patience, since the activities will continue at random and without prior notice from the North American authorities.

    In addition to seeing the agents in the vicinity of the Reynosa-Hidalgo International Bridge, you can also see a helicopter flying over the area.

    https://www.elsoldemexico.com.mx/mex...o-2607655.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Be Well View Post





    I haven't found link for this, will post if I find link:


    EVERY SENATE DEMOCRAT CO-SPONSORED FEINSTEIN'S BILL WHICH
    BANS THE ARREST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, "EVEN FOR SERIOUS CRIMES."

    Democrat Sen Feinstein Promised That If Democrats Takeover at midterms, her "Border Separation Bill,"

    W/ 46 Democratic And Two Independent Co-Sponsors, "Will Get Passed."
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    I'm assuming the blue line from Coatzacoalcos west and then north is a train and they will have access at Sayula de Aleman????


    I STILL can't figure how, if this was as well planned as it HAS to have been to get THIS far, how they ****ed up the TIMING.


    UNLESS they are expecting the Midterms to go WRONG and there to be internal well coordinated unrest and these are a whole other front which are expected to be able to walk in because the US agencies (ALL of them[yeah right]) will be otherwise occupied. Note it is a whole week since the Proud Boys stood up to ANTIFA and the NYPD is STILL hunting them down with no consequences for the ANTIFA OPFOR.

    That NY conflict and the Portland conflict broke the unspoken line of Demarcation separating Political Action and Street Fighting as a tactic.

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    Google (yeah I know) picks it up as Portuguese and renders it as covering....

    I like a colloquial trans of reporter.
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    “Mexico does not criminalize undocumented immigration,” he said.
    Sure, as long as you are headed for the U.S.,. Try staying there, getting a job, starting a business or buying a home as an "Undocumented Immigrant' and see how that works out.
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    Thanks for the translation; this was how it was used when talking about one of the groups: "They will be coberturando, to the part of the caravan that will travel through the state of Oaxaca."

    Here's the latest on the bus situation:

    https://twitter.com/pueblosf

    Pueblo SinFronteras@ PuebloSF 12h
    People Without Borders Retweeted Adolfo Flores
    The state of Veracruz promised transportation for all members of the Central American Exodus, hours later, without any pretext, it canceled us. We need urgent dissemination of this statement.

    Village Without Borders Retweeted
    Adolfo Flores Verified account@ aflores 12h
    A lot of back and forth tonight from the Gov of Veracruz, who at first promised to send the caravan to Mexico City on buses and is now asking them to wait up to 4 days. The people in the caravan said they do not believe the reasons he's giving and are asking he keep his pledge.

    Adolfo Flores@aflores 2 hours ago
    https://twitter.com/aflores
    The caravan is pushing forward toward Isla, Veracruz. When the Veracruz Gov. pulled back his offer to send them to Mexico City he also asked the group to make their way back to a larger southern city, which they’re not doing and is to be expected of a group struggling to advance.

    So at the road junction, they went west toward Mexico City instead of going east the the point of origin of Coatzacoalcos.

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    Just want to say, I'm not the best at maps and the info is kind of spotty... so take it for what it's worth.

    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    I'm assuming the blue line from Coatzacoalcos west and then north is a train and they will have access at Sayula de Aleman????


    I STILL can't figure how, if this was as well planned as it HAS to have been to get THIS far, how they ****ed up the TIMING.


    UNLESS they are expecting the Midterms to go WRONG and there to be internal well coordinated unrest and these are a whole other front which are expected to be able to walk in because the US agencies (ALL of them[yeah right]) will be otherwise occupied. Note it is a whole week since the Proud Boys stood up to ANTIFA and the NYPD is STILL hunting them down with no consequences for the ANTIFA OPFOR.

    That NY conflict and the Portland conflict broke the unspoken line of Demarcation separating Political Action and Street Fighting as a tactic.

    I fully expect to see a few cities burn Next Wednesday after the Election counting is complete.
    Regarding the bolded part: I don't think so. When I fully enlarged the route, it appears the whole thing takes the highways. That doesn't mean that some won't catch the train, which also goes through those areas.

    I think this whole thing has been planned as a bus trip; I'm curious as to why the problem has developed. As best as I can tell, they were to leave from a stadium in Coatzacoalcos. The stops along the way show shoe stores, banks, pharmas, electronics and other things I can't identify. The last stop of this leg is in Culiacan, stopping at a Catholic Church and a park. This is where the last leg of the route will begin.

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    What will happen when the illegal aliens start throwing
    Molotov cocktails at our police and soldiers?

    I don't want even one soldier or police officer hit, not one!

    The concertina wire won't stop them for 5 minutes.
    All they have to do is throw OSB board over the wire then climb over.
    They've taken thick cardboard with them when approaching Mexican blockades.

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