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    The Government can't rescue the Poor

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    Government Can’t Rescue the Poor
    Federal programs have reduced material poverty at the cost of promoting idleness and dependency.

    ‘The War on Poverty is not a struggle simply to support people,” declared President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964. “It is an effort to allow them to develop and use their capacities.” During the 20 years before the War on Poverty was funded, the portion of the nation living in poverty had dropped to 14.7% from 32.1%. Since 1966, the first year with a significant increase in antipoverty spending, the poverty rate reported by the Census Bureau has been virtually unchanged.

    Last year a United Nations investigator using census data found “shocking” evidence that 40 million Americans live in “squalor and deprivation,” in a country where “tax cuts will fuel a global race to the bottom.” He continued: “The criminal justice system is effectively a system for keeping the poor in poverty,” and reported that “the demonizing of taxation means that legislatures effectively refuse to levy taxes.”

    If that doesn’t sound like the country you live in, that’s because it isn’t. The Census Bureau counts as poor all people in families with incomes lower than the established income thresholds for their respective family size and composition. The thresholds, first set in 1963, are based on a multiple of the cost of a budget for adequately nutritious food, adjusted for inflation. While the Census Bureau reports that in 2016 some 12.7% of Americans lived in poverty, it is impossible to reconcile this poverty rate, which has remained virtually unchanged over the last 50 years, with the fact that total inflation-adjusted government-transfer payments to low-income families have risen steadily. Transfers targeted to low-income families increased in real dollars from an average of $3,070 per person in 1965 to $34,093 in 2016.

    Even these numbers significantly understate transfer payments to low-income families since they exclude Medicare and Social Security, which provide large subsidies to low-income retirees. Compared with what they pay in Social Security taxes, the lowest quintile of earners can receive as much as 10 times the lifetime benefits received by the highest quintile of earners and three times as much as the middle quintile.

    The measured poverty rate has remained virtually unchanged only because the Census Bureau doesn’t count most of the transfer payments created since the declaration of the War on Poverty. The bureau measures poverty using what it calls “money income,” which includes earned income and some transfer payments such as Social Security and unemployment insurance. But it excludes food stamps, Medicaid, the portion of Medicare going to low-income families, Children’s Health Insurance, the refundable portion of the earned-income tax credit, at least 87 other means-tested federal payments to individuals, and most means-tested state payments. If government counted these missing $1.5 trillion in annual transfer payments, the poverty rate would be less than 3%.

    The 3% poverty rate determined by counting more of the government transfers to low-income families is virtually identical to the number economists Bruce Meyer and James Sullivan found in a 2016 study, which measured actual consumption by poor families. The number also reconciles the current disparity between the low income levels used by the Census Bureau to define poverty and studies such as the Department of Energy Residential Consumption Survey, which find consistently rising spending among poor families on cars, home electronics, cable, household appliances, smartphones and living space. The 3% poverty rate would fall even further if it accounted for transfers within families, some $500 billion of private charitable giving, and the multibillion-dollar informal economy, where income is unreported.

    Transfer payments essentially have eliminated poverty in America. Transfers now constitute 84.2% of the disposable income of the poorest quintile of American households and 57.8% of the disposable income of lower-middle-income households. These payments also make up 27.5% of America’s total disposable income.

    The stated goal of the War on Poverty is not just to raise living standards, but also to make America’s poor more self-sufficient and to bring them into the mainstream of the economy. In that effort the war has been an abject failure, increasing dependency and largely severing the bottom fifth of earners from the rewards and responsibilities of work.

    In 1965, before funds were appropriated for War on Poverty programs, all five income quintiles had more families in which at least one person worked than families in which the head of household was of prime working age. So broadly based was the work ethic that the lowest income quintile had only 5.4% more families with working-age heads and no one working than did the middle quintile. The lower-middle quintile actually had proportionately fewer families where no one worked than did the middle quintile.

    The expanding availability of antipoverty transfers has devastated the work effort of poor and lower-middle income families. By 1975 the lowest-earning fifth of families had 24.8% more families with a prime-work age head and no one working than did their middle-income peers. By 2015 this differential had risen to 37.1%. And by that same year, even families in the lower-middle income quintile headed by working-age persons were almost 6% more likely to have no one working than a similar family in the middle-income quintile.

    Even these numbers understate the decline in work among low-income Americans that has accompanied the War on Poverty. Compared with the low-income quintile, the lower-middle quintile today has three times as many families with two or more workers, and the middle quintile has five times as many. The trend illustrates how the War on Poverty produced an unprecedented decline in work effort among those who received benefits.

    The massive reduction in material poverty that government transfers have allowed has come at a considerable underappreciated cost. The War on Poverty has increased dependency and failed in its primary effort to bring poor people into the mainstream of America’s economy and communal life. Government programs replaced deprivation with idleness, stifling human flourishing. It happened just as President Franklin Roosevelt said it would: “The lessons of history,” he said in 1935, “show conclusively that continued dependency upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber.”
    "The misfortune of many is the consolation of fools" Ancient proverb

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    There are three other factors:

    1. A severe decline in the number of jobs that can be done by an unskilled or uneducated person, along with technologies that make it increasingly difficult for people on the margins to even apply for them.

    2. The much greater gap between how far one income goes in terms of spending power and what it costs to actually live.

    3. Badly handled programs that instead of encouraging part-time work and self-employment (the way most people who actually get out of poverty manage to do it) punish it; both by harsh regulations that discourage any sort of part-time work for fear of losing what benefits a person/family has and/or insane amounts of regulations and fees to set up any sort of small business or be "certified" for traditional jobs like hairdresser, home sewer, cookie baking or even taxi driver.

    Sure Ronald Reagan's Dad could take the family car and write "taxi" on the side of it or the millionaire brothers that lost every in 1929 could raid their fridge and set up a Wallstreet sandwich cart with the remains of their last banquet (and eventually owned a chain of restaurants) but try that today and you will probably end up having your business "assets" confiscated the next day at best and in jail (with huge fines) at worst.

    The idea of "Universal Basic Income" was supposed to "solve" this last problem but so far hasn't worked very well (the idea is there are no penalties for making more money).

    I don't know what the answer is, but if you don't find a way for people to improve themselves that is actually possible to do, eventually they usually will give up and live on what they are handed as long as they are not actually starving to death.
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    There is more to it. They will vote for the politician that promises more goodies. And I know of an electrician desperate for help, willing to train, finds the ordinary applicant does not know what a screwdriver does and usually lasts only one day.

    And I think it would take close to $20/hr to lure these people away from welfare.
    "The misfortune of many is the consolation of fools" Ancient proverb

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    IMHO, people accepting government aid like welfare, (food stamps, housing, medical), should not be allowed to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    IMHO, people accepting government aid like welfare, (food stamps, housing, medical), should not be allowed to vote.
    I am good with the land owning bit also, but then we would see micro parcels being sold all over the place. So I will go with no government bennies for those who vote. Easy to do.

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    You can't get rid of something by subsidizing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    IMHO, people accepting government aid like welfare, (food stamps, housing, medical), should not be allowed to vote.
    Free welfare for life, but recipients shouldn't just loose the vote, but have to agree to be sterilized, and never legally adopt.

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    20Gauge "So I will go with no government bennies for those who vote. Easy to do."

    Agreed. How about no government farm subsidies or yuge tax breaks for companies that LOBBY .guv?

    See the common denominator? GUV

    Churches didn't fight to keep their job to help the local poor. Gave the job to .guv and we all got used to the idea. Then instead of poor choices and refusing to help yourself causing your eventual demise, .guv subsidized it.

    One kid out of wedlock = X dollars. 2nd kid?? 2X. Rinse Repeat.

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    LBJ started a war on poverty.

    Poverty won ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    LBJ started a war on poverty.

    Poverty won ...
    He did poorly with Vietnam too.
    Crappy president.

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    LBJ did manage to kill the US Dollar however.
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    The Government can't rescue the Poor
    But they do a good job enabling them to not have to work:
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    #2:

    I don't know what the answer is, but if you don't find a way for people to improve themselves that is actually possible to do, eventually they usually will give up and live on what they are handed as long as they are not actually starving to death.
    to each according to his needs... pure Communism.

    LBJ was a SOB.

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    Really its simple...

    The first thing that needs to go away is FICA taxes. Then the rest should follow. Income taxes is a fine for being independent. Having your employer pay half/match of the employees income/FICA taxes is a fine on employers to have employees.

    Small business is the incubator of employment. As it declines, so too do opportunities for first jobs, second chances and economic independence.

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    Funny how everyone says cut the poor off but don't say the same for corporate welfare and the military industrial complex just as loudly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racing22 View Post
    But they do a good job enabling them to not have to work:
    Once the math and the accounting comes out its understandable, and us working stiffs are left to ask why we do what we do instead. (I should be back completely to that category by the beginning of next year.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlm1966 View Post
    Funny how everyone says cut the poor off but don't say the same for corporate welfare and the military industrial complex just as loudly.
    Money talks, particularly to politicians....

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    Americas poor are in the global top 1% , we don't know/havent known for awhile what poor is...yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlm1966 View Post
    Funny how everyone says cut the poor off but don't say the same for corporate welfare and the military industrial complex just as loudly.
    OP was about poor people, not the MIC.
    Regardless, a country can survive both fascism and communism, but demographics is destiny.

    The gov. can choose justice, or compassion.
    It can't do both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subnet View Post
    Americas poor are in the global top 1% , we don't know/havent known for awhile what poor is...yet
    Something else that is regularly forgotten by everyone when this is discussed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    IMHO, people accepting government aid like welfare, (food stamps, housing, medical), should not be allowed to vote.
    Agree.

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin

    That is what is happening today, and our Congress bends over backwards to give those people what they want, country be damned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroe View Post
    He did poorly with Vietnam too.
    Crappy president.
    Johnson started the whole meme about blacks voting Democrat.
    His famous words when talking about signing the Civil rights bill.

    Johnson, like other presidents, would often reveal his true motivations in asides that the press never picked up. During one trip, Johnson was discussing his proposed civil rights bill with two governors. Explaining why it was so important to him, he said it was simple: “I’ll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years.”


    “That was the reason he was pushing the bill,” said MacMillan, who was present during the conversation. “Not because he wanted equality for everyone. It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlm1966 View Post
    Funny how everyone says cut the poor off but don't say the same for corporate welfare and the military industrial complex just as loudly.
    Funny how politicians always go into office strapped for cash, and always leave as multimillionaires.
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    [QUOTE=Melodi;7045315]There are three other factors:

    1. A severe decline in the number of jobs that can be done by an unskilled or uneducated person, along with technologies that make it increasingly difficult for people on the margins to even apply for them.

    How much skill does it take to work in Costco average salary $20 /hr. Even many many fast food places are paying $15/hr. I can't travel one mile without seeing half a dozen help wanted signs.


    2. The much greater gap between how far one income goes in terms of spending power and what it costs to actually live.

    That's because the average living standard of welfare recipients is too high. Being on the dole/welfare should hurt, otherwise people will remain there forever. That is what's happening now.



    3. Badly handled programs that instead of encouraging part-time work and self-employment (the way most people who actually get out of poverty manage to do it) punish it; both by harsh regulations that discourage any sort of part-time work for fear of losing what benefits a person/family has and/or insane amounts of regulations and fees to set up any sort of small business or be "certified" for traditional jobs like hairdresser, home sewer, cookie baking or even taxi driver.

    DIY taxi drivers = UBER
    Garbage company looking for people. Strong back and weak mind preferred.
    Practically every grocery store has help wanted signs. My Publix, Aldi's, WinnDixie, even Walmart.



    Sure Ronald Reagan's Dad could take the family car and write "taxi" on the side of it or the millionaire brothers that lost every in 1929 could raid their fridge and set up a Wallstreet sandwich cart with the remains of their last banquet (and eventually owned a chain of restaurants) but try that today and you will probably end up having your business "assets" confiscated the next day at best and in jail (with huge fines) at worst.

    Hot Dog Cart = 30 minutes filling out forms and an hour for an inspection by the health department and around $50 in fees.
    Go to any big city and you will find dozens and dozens of mobile food carts and trucks.
    I'm also seeing dozens of hair salons and nail places being opened by people who can barely speak any English. Even some small hole in the wall auto mechanics. Seems foreigners still know how to turn a wrench.
    Funny how the Vietnamese boat people came here to Central Florida with nothing and managed to survive by working almost any job until they could open their own business. Their sons and daughters now make up many of the doctors, dentists and lawyers in Central Florida.
    Hell the Commanding Officer of one of the Navy's most advanced warships came to the US as a boat person refugee. He recently returned to Vietnam and the Captain of a US Navy DDG for a port visit.
    Immigrants usually take a generation or less before they claw their way up the social economic ladder to high middle class to high class. Even a few from Africa manage to achieve much greater success and wealth than their American brothers, who they generally look down on.
    Even many of the recent refugees from the middle east are already opening their own businesses. Yet born and bred Americans just can't get off their ass and make something of themselves??? Why?


    The idea of "Universal Basic Income" was supposed to "solve" this last problem but so far hasn't worked very well (the idea is there are no penalties for making more money).

    This just means people will work that much less so they can still survive. They are mostly missing the "get-a-head gene"'.


    I don't know what the answer is, but if you don't find a way for people to improve themselves that is actually possible to do, eventually they usually will give up and live on what they are handed as long as they are not actually starving to death.

    As I said above they are missing the "get off your ass and get ahead gene".
    Poverty should not be so comfortable, and should actually hurt a lot, for able bodied people.
    "I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself." -DH Lawrence

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    John Galt would disagree with much stated here. Knowing what the .gov does with your hard earned taxes makes a man not want to achieve, to stop feeding the beast. I think there's a lot of folks who see this truth and have decided to live on less. Some have likely decided to help starve the beast by getting on the dole.
    Why give it to foreigners, learn the game, play by their rules. I think there is a percentage who have chosen this path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ractivist View Post
    John Galt would disagree with much stated here. Knowing what the .gov does with your hard earned taxes makes a man not want to achieve, to stop feeding the beast. I think there's a lot of folks who see this truth and have decided to live on less. Some have likely decided to help starve the beast by getting on the dole.
    Why give it to foreigners, learn the game, play by their rules. I think there is a percentage who have chosen this path.
    Since 2006, only make enough money to pay the bills. Have not taking one dime in safety net monies.

    Should add... from 1989 to 2006 collected on average $5000 a month for free in payroll liabilities and taxes and gave that to the buracratic agencies. ETA, that's not including the actual take home pay of my employees, for those that never ran a payroll.

    Never even got a Thank you.

    Small business is the incubator of employment. As it declines, so too do opportunities for first jobs, second chances and economic independence.

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    Why SHOULD the government rescue the poor?
    Some people make shitty choices in life - not my circus, not my monkeys.
    ...why should my taxes have to pay for it?

    Neighbors down the street recently posted on FB about the new baby - not theirs, precisely: it is the second out of wedlock baby of their adopted twenty-something daughter. They have been raising the first (I never see her around at all, and baby-daddy is entirely out of the picture) and now I guess they will take over responsibility for the second (hopefully not semi-retarded like the first seems to be). Well, since there are no repercussions, why NOT spawn a bunch of babies for other people to raise?

    People on this board bitch that white women don't care to have kids
    While already supporting everyone else's bastards, WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroe View Post
    Why SHOULD the government rescue the poor?
    Some people make shitty choices in life - not my circus, not my monkeys.
    ...why should my taxes have to pay for it?

    Neighbors down the street recently posted on FB about the new baby - not theirs, precisely: it is the second out of wedlock baby of their adopted twenty-something daughter. They have been raising the first (I never see her around at all, and baby-daddy is entirely out of the picture) and now I guess they will take over responsibility for the second (hopefully not semi-retarded like the first seems to be). Well, since there are no repercussions, why NOT spawn a bunch of babies for other people to raise?

    People on this board bitch that white women don't care to have kids
    While already supporting everyone else's bastards, WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE?
    I was wondering if I'd see a post like yours on this thread. Thank you.
    WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO SUPPORT A BUNCH OF DEAD HEADS???
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    Government Can’t Rescue the Poor

    But it can destroy the middle class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlm1966 View Post
    Funny how everyone says cut the poor off but don't say the same for corporate welfare and the military industrial complex just as loudly.
    See #8.

    A story:

    https://www.cato.org/blog/davy-crock...esson-congress

    And more substantively, I note that Col. David Crockett served three terms in Congress from Tennessee, where he is best known for delivering a speech known as “Not Yours to Give.” In response to a proposal for an appropriation to benefit the widow of a naval officer, Rep. Crockett said:

    I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. …

    We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.

    He went on to quote a constituent who had complained when he previously voted for a similar measure:

    The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.

    He may not actually have patched up the crack in the Liberty Bell, but he did his best to preserve the Constitution.

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    Social Security is not an entitlement and would be fully funded if Congress would keep its paws off of it.
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    No one can really help poor. I have wanted too help but they are poor because of the choices they make. I see it everyday.

    Here stove oil is used to heat homes, but wood can be nearly free. So what do they do.......they buy the oil because cutting wood requires work and planning. And they can get substantial energy assistance.

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    Been following this thread most of the day,
    and excellent comments.

    Like everyone else, I know some poor people,
    some Whites, but probably 95% or more of them,
    are Africans, lazy arsed and stupid Africans.

    There is nothing that can be done for the Whites,
    as most of them are in their station in life,
    because of bad choices. Most of them could help
    themselves to have a better life, at least that is what
    my knowledge is of their situations.

    As for the Africans, they have had their hands out
    to the damned out of the pits of hell FUSA
    federal government since the 1960's,
    and they have learned, how to get as much as possible,
    due to the legancies of slavery and Jim Crow.

    That is going to change big time, in the not too distant
    future when the issue of reparations,
    is dealt with by the FUSA federal government.

    It will be like this, if you are African you will get your check,
    if you are White, you will pay. I have heard that the
    payments maybe several hundreds of thousands,
    and in some cases, millions, if proof can be provided,
    as to ancestors who were slaves.

    It will matter not, when your ancestors arrived in the FUSA,
    only the colour of your skin.

    Reparations will be the new program,
    to remove the Africans from the ravages of poverty.
    As long as the Republicans can control at least
    one chamber in the FUSA CONgress,
    reparations will get nowheres.

    However, once the damocrats regain full control
    again over the FUSA federal government,
    its a certainity IMHO. One of the primary reasons,
    that the Africans are as pissed as they are right now,
    is that they believed, that reparations would occur,
    while the POS blue-gum POTUS, was in office.

    Please be safe everyone, and please arm up.

    AVOID THE GROID/GHOUL
    In honour of the brave Whites in South Africa,
    as they fight against their genocide.

    I pray for the White race in South Africa,
    with every prayer, and so should you,
    if you pray.

    Regards to all deplorables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrsyan View Post
    Social Security is not an entitlement and would be fully funded if Congress would keep its paws off of it.
    No matter. The S.S. system is a scam, it steals monies from the labores of the laborer and their employers. Often the working poor who at no fault of their own die, and get not one bloody cent of that 15% that was stolen from them threw out their career. For their means the working poor and their employers pay the most.

    If the SS scam system did at least pay out what was stolen from individuals durring their working careers when they died, the system would soon fail too. Because for every dollar collected in the S.S scam buracratic boondoggle, it takes at least two dollars for the buracrats to redistribute it.

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    Not only do we have our own poor but we take in the poor from other countries...smart

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    There is a major difference between poor and broke. Broke is an economic situation one finds themself in...adapt and over come. Poor is a warped world view, no fixing those folks. I lived among them for a while when I was broke....after that experience, I have zero sympathy for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroe View Post
    Why SHOULD the government rescue the poor?
    Some people make shitty choices in life - not my circus, not my monkeys.
    ...why should my taxes have to pay for it?
    Yep. Iowa has a push on to train for people for the trades, which I fully support. They can't off-shore jobs like plumbing and electrical. Able-bodied and on welfare and don't want to learn a trade? Too bad. Your bennies are going to be cut off soon, and it's not my problem.

    (I DO NOT have a problem with people who paid into the system and are now on welfare due to cancer or having their legs blown off by an IED . . . my ire is reserved for the generational welfare queens)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    There is a major difference between poor and broke. Broke is an economic situation one finds themself in...adapt and over come. Poor is a warped world view, no fixing those folks. I lived among them for a while when I was broke....after that experience, I have zero sympathy for them.
    Very wise words.

    Anyone can be broke through a bad decision or bad luck, it's a temporary thing that can be fixed.

    Poor is an attitude and is usually forever.

    It's like the difference between Ignorant and Stupid.
    "I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself." -DH Lawrence

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestige View Post
    See #8.

    A story:

    https://www.cato.org/blog/davy-crock...esson-congress

    And more substantively, I note that Col. David Crockett served three terms in Congress from Tennessee, where he is best known for delivering a speech known as “Not Yours to Give.” In response to a proposal for an appropriation to benefit the widow of a naval officer, Rep. Crockett said:

    I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. …

    We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.

    He went on to quote a constituent who had complained when he previously voted for a similar measure:

    The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.

    He may not actually have patched up the crack in the Liberty Bell, but he did his best to preserve the Constitution.
    Crockett was a true Texan hero- unlike that snake in the grass LBJ.
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