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    White House to unveil federal cannabis reform 'very soon,' says GOP lawmaker

    Another nail in the demoshits coffin if he pulls this off.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...s-gop-lawmaker

    Trump hints he'll support lifting federal marijuana ban
    Forbes Media Editor-in-Chief Steve Forbes on President Trump's comments that he would likely support efforts to ease the federal ban on marijuana.
    The White House is planning on tackling cannabis reform after the midterm elections, according to Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

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    Rohrabacher tells FOX Business that the Trump administration has made a “solid commitment” to fix marijuana regulation.

    “I have been talking to people inside the White House who know and inside the president’s entourage... I have talked to them at length. I have been reassured that the president intends on keeping his campaign promise.”

    Rohrabacher says the president has spoken in support of legalizing medical marijuana on the federal level – and leaving the question of recreational marijuana use up to the states.

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    But however will the CIA get its funding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    But however will the CIA get its funding?
    Since The CIA Mde them rich and power filled so the CIA can Take it from the Clintons, Bushes and ObAma

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    Student loan reform IMO would get Trump considerably more votes...

    I'm thinking of a one-time jubilee, followed by forcing colleges to cut tuition by 60%+ if they want to have ONE student with a Fed loan take class there, with price controls thereafter. (They'd have to cut their nonteaching positions, rock climbing wall-type luxuries, and money-losing varsity sports back by ~75% or so, so sad.) An easy way to do the latter would be for Fed loans on freshman and sophmore classes to only apply when taken at public community colleges.

    The impression I have about potheads is that lots of them in general are diehard leftists, especially the ones likely to vote at all, so I don't see how this would help get Repubs many votes. Many of the rest of the potheads seem to be apathetic and not that likely to vote for anyone period.
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    I think this is now becoming an even bigger issue since the UK was essentially forced to legalize medical MJ derivatives when that little boy came within hours (possibly minutes) of death from a condition that doctors at the best children's hospital in London said had no other hope - the child had been prescribed the medication in the US in an experimental program (where it has been found effective in "hopeless" cases).

    This is a real medication and not street "pot" they are mixing in a garage or something, thankfully Israel has been a leader in creating such medications for use in their armed forces and in other areas

    Now the UK already has TWO young children with "special licenses" for the drug and a waiting list of probably a dozen or more - again these are all children otherwise given up by doctors to die because they can't stop their seizures with any currently legal medications but the MJ extracts do - science isn't sure why yet but they just know that in some cases it seems to work.

    We also have one child in Ireland who also has a "special license" who was dying and then recovered (then nearly died again when the medication was removed) - so we KNOW that at least for this condition (and really a lot of others) the plant itself can be used for a wide variety of medical purposes.

    With England being backed against a wall in this way AND The fact that pot has essentially made the "law a joke" in many places the same why prohibition of alcohol did in the 1920's; means that in the US allowing States to decide what to do for recreational use makes sense; while at the same time allowing doctors to use it in a medical context under Federal law makes sense.

    Sure some people abuse it recreationally and become deadbeats but most don't and over-all it does much less damage to society than booze which has proven impossible to outlaw (even prisoners can make it if they are determined to do so).

    I think the reform and refinancing or out-right forgiveness on student loans is a good idea as well, but I suspect it may take a bit longer (maybe into the 2020's) before the extreme and full damage to the economy is recognized; as well as the international greed on both the part of universities and banks that led to the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaSmith View Post
    I'm thinking of a one-time jubilee, followed by forcing colleges to cut tuition by 60%+ if they want to have ONE student with a Fed loan take class there, with price controls thereafter. (They'd have to cut their nonteaching positions, rock climbing wall-type luxuries, and money-losing varsity sports back by ~75% or so, so sad.) An easy way to do the latter would be for Fed loans on freshman and sophmore classes to only apply when taken at public community colleges.

    The impression I have about potheads is that lots of them in general are diehard leftists, especially the ones likely to vote at all, so I don't see how this would help get Repubs many votes. Many of the rest of the potheads seem to be apathetic and not that likely to vote for anyone period.
    I don't ever see a widespread debt forgiveness of student loans as that would be yet another expense for the taxpayers to cover. I can see programs to limit the amount of student loans which would drive down cost of tuition as it seems to rise as the availability of funds via these loans increases. I can see changing the law so that bankruptcy can include student loans which would lower banks willingness to make extreme student loans since they could be on the hook if student does declare bankruptcy. I can also see programs where the loan is written off in part or in full by working in certain fields for govco for a period of time at a government level salary.

    Passing cannabis laws also makes sense. There are a lot of potential tax dollars from sales that govco could get a piece of. The industry is growing jobs even with the federal laws hanging over it's head and if they were removed the industry would really crank up and create even more jobs and opportunities. Also there would be a huge savings in law enforcement since we know that like prohibition it just doesn't work and we are spending huge amounts of money in enforcement and incarceration that we could channel to other areas. Plus passing this would attract many Libertarians and independents that believe in freedom and states rights. And our current war on drugs like prohibition, has shown us that we can spend a fortune, ruin lives and still not even come close to accomplishing our goal. I think we keep showing that as a nation in some areas we are insane as we keep trying the same things and expecting different outcomes which is a classic description of insanity.
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    The:

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    are all oligarch America endeavors. There is no Constitutional basis for any of them.

    They are about guv'ment setting up monopolies on behalf of the oligarchs. CW1 was about wresting power from individuals and the states and giving it fedgfuv.

    'The Wars on...' are all about eliminating personal freedoms and liberties and about reinforcing the servitude of peoples to almighty fedguv (thanks to CW1 and lincoln).

    'The Wars on...' are about establishing and maintaining and protecting oligarch revenue streams. These wars are about fleecing the sheep and making sure the sheep have no say on the manner of fleecing.

    The lies that the 'War on...' is for any other entities benefit other than the oligarchic and guv'ment classes are just that - outright lies.

    The proper portion of the Constitution to turn to on the issue of the legal status of drugs is the 10th Amendment.

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    I forgot to mention with Canada going for full legalization and Mexico seriously considering it, the United States would then be "stuck in the middle with you" - it wouldn't mean they HAVE to legalize it; but it would create a vastly greater headache for border patrol and make the black market a million times easier than it is now.

    One of the biggest problems in the 1920's was booze being brought in by the truck and train load from Canada; while the technology has improved a lot today I suspect it would still be a massive waste of taxpayer dollars to police and must better direct at other sorts of border control measures.
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    Minnesota, start looking around you at the 65 and older crowd and you will find HUNDREDS of folks near you using CBD oils, and cetera. Ain't our youth's users anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaSmith View Post
    I'm thinking of a one-time jubilee, followed by forcing colleges to cut tuition by 60%+ if they want to have ONE student with a Fed loan take class there, with price controls thereafter. (They'd have to cut their nonteaching positions, rock climbing wall-type luxuries, and money-losing varsity sports back by ~75% or so, so sad.) An easy way to do the latter would be for Fed loans on freshman and sophmore classes to only apply when taken at public community colleges.

    The impression I have about potheads is that lots of them in general are diehard leftists, especially the ones likely to vote at all, so I don't see how this would help get Repubs many votes. Many of the rest of the potheads seem to be apathetic and not that likely to vote for anyone period.
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    I don't think legalizing Marijuana is about votes. It's about the FACT that it does help some people and using it for medical reasons is a good thing. We have a friend with bad arthritis. In Maine it's legal to grow a couple plants for your own use. It helps him a lot and he is a REPUBLICAN, not a die hard lefty by any means.

    Health problems are not a right or left issue. Everyone can get them and if being able to smoke a joint to make you feel better is bad, then the laws need to change.


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    Legalize it, tax it at 25% and pass punishment if you do it outside of your home (or legal area) or drive on it you're F'd forever or at least a very, very long time and extra hard.
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    Plus with the evil tobacco revenue's dwindling, they need a new source of scourge to tax and villainize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Minnesota, start looking around you at the 65 and older crowd and you will find HUNDREDS of folks near you using CBD oils, and cetera. Ain't our youth's users anymore.



    oh...we know. they usually just get quiet when the subject comes up depending on who is in the crowd.



    i have now become one of the CBD users. no thc in it, just the cbd. it is a desperate attempt to stop pain. i have never used mj, but when it becomes legal, i will. not for the high, but to stop the pain. my understanding is that it takes a very small amount of the thc to help with the pain.


    this state is quite moronic about many things, and this topic is most certainly one of them. hopefully, with canada legalizing, and north dakota and wisconsin set to go in the next couple of months, minnesota will follow right quick. like i said though, mn is kinda moronic at times.


    EDIT: i know you meant minnesotasmith, but the state of mn is definitely seeing this huge.
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    the thing that makes me laugh about the insanity reaction over mj is that it clearly has some helpful properties in regards to mental health, as stated by medical professionals and studies, with less problematic side effects. yet, mj is evil and they would MUCH rather you be on some heavy antianxiety meds, or antidepressants instead of taking a small amount of mj to do the same thing without the very scary side effects.

    i know drs that will prescribe prozac like candy, but if one of their patients says they have taken a couple of hits of mj, they lose their minds.

    there will ALWAYS be people that abuse anything. citing those people as examples why responsible people should not have access to something helpful is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginative View Post
    Advocating for more socialism, less individual freedom and no States rights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoMoreLibs View Post
    Legalize it, tax it at 25% and pass punishment if you do it outside of your home (or legal area) or drive on it you're F'd forever or at least a very, very long time and extra hard.
    Would you support the same for Alcohol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunybee View Post
    oh...we know. they usually just get quiet when the subject comes up depending on who is in the crowd.



    i have now become one of the CBD users. no thc in it, just the cbd. it is a desperate attempt to stop pain. i have never used mj, but when it becomes legal, i will. not for the high, but to stop the pain. my understanding is that it takes a very small amount of the thc to help with the pain.


    this state is quite moronic about many things, and this topic is most certainly one of them. hopefully, with canada legalizing, and north dakota and wisconsin set to go in the next couple of months, minnesota will follow right quick. like i said though, mn is kinda moronic at times.


    EDIT: i know you meant minnesotasmith, but the state of mn is definitely seeing this huge.
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    If marijuana is made legal here, I will start growing some for our personal medicinal use. I've never used mj recreationally and have zero interest in doing so now, but medically it is already proven to help with autism and lupus, my daughter's two main conditions. And she really needs some help -- the prescriptions she is on aren't cutting it right now and I think mj would be better for her than prednisone (which she's had to take three times before). And I am a die-hard Conservative Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunybee View Post
    the thing that makes me laugh about the insanity reaction over mj is that it clearly has some helpful properties in regards to mental health, as stated by medical professionals and studies, with less problematic side effects. yet, mj is evil and they would MUCH rather you be on some heavy antianxiety meds, or antidepressants instead of taking a small amount of mj to do the same thing without the very scary side effects.

    i know drs that will prescribe prozac like candy, but if one of their patients says they have taken a couple of hits of mj, they lose their minds.

    there will ALWAYS be people that abuse anything. citing those people as examples why responsible people should not have access to something helpful is ridiculous.
    Exactly -- that is just like citing criminals as a reason to take away our Second Amendment rights to be armed.

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    If someone has a crap day at work, buys alcohol on the way home, and consumes it, is it medical or recreational?
    I say it doesn't matter. Be an adult,ffs... It doesn't make you an alcoholic any more than using mj makes you a "pothead".

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseltrooper View Post
    Check out Leafly.com to compare strains. Whole-plant medicine is best. You shouldn't have to feel guilty over feeling good. Docs Rx opioids that get you high.

    i have been there. the problem is that mn is one of (if not the most) restrictive states in regards anything mj. if the cbd comes from anything but hemp, it is illegal here currently. all cbd must be less than .3 thc, but it still must only come from hemp. so if the cbd is less than .3 thc, but comes from evil mj, it is illegal in this state. i had to drive 2 hours one way just to get the stuff.

    like i said...morons. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseltrooper View Post
    If someone has a crap day at work, buys alcohol on the way home, and consumes it, is it medical or recreational?
    I say it doesn't matter. Be an adult,ffs... It doesn't make you an alcoholic any more than using mj makes you a "pothead".
    oh, i agree!

    to be honest, i have found the drinkers to be more of a problem than the potheads. now when i put it in those terms, i am talking about the ones that abuse either one. i have started a part time job in the last year, and i deal with a lot of people in their homes. to date, there has only been one pothead that i was displeased with, and that was mild. i have much more problem with the drinkers. again, these are the abusers of the substance. when encountering people using alcohol or mj more than 90% are totally fine and i have no issues with. they are pleasant, functional, at home so as to be responsible, or at some sort of bar or legal public drinking area, and have either a designated driver or mj minder for the group. even the kids that do it are smarter than when i was in high school. there are, of course, idiots. there will always be idiots. in general though, it was way worse when i was in high school.
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    I smoke generic black-market mj most days. Even reggie is more effective for my depression, anxiety and other symptoms associated with borderline personality disorder. The VA had rxd venflaxazine,which was decently effective but the persistent nausea was a no-go.
    Now that OK has legalized medical mj, it's a waiting game as dispensaries and growers get licensed. There are already patients who have received cards, but there is no mmj until they get to harvest.
    My VA pri care Doc is fine with my mj use, but says she is happy I dont use alcohol or tobbacco as she considers them poison.

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    Curious how they will reconcile all this at the federal level with ATF laws re -use weed? No guns for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creedmoor View Post
    Curious how they will reconcile all this at the federal level with ATF laws re -use weed? No guns for you.
    which again, i find funny.

    you can be loaded up on a crap ton of "legal" prescribed heavy duty drugs and be totally fine having guns according to the law. or be a raging alcoholic and no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseltrooper View Post
    If someone has a crap day at work, buys alcohol on the way home, and consumes it, is it medical or recreational?
    I say it doesn't matter. Be an adult,ffs... It doesn't make you an alcoholic any more than using mj makes you a "pothead".
    I knew a couple stoners back in high school. Friendly people. Not too bright, but friendly.

    My mom was picking me up from school one day--this was before I could drive--and one of them comes up to me and invites me to a party. Apparently, they were going to have 15 kegs at said party.

    Interesting enough, except my mom is literally 30 feet away when he asks. Doesn't matter a lick to him, though. Out of curiosity, I ask how he managed to lay hands on that many kegs, and his response, perfectly innocuous, was "People contribute." Of course, I passed--didn't mention my mother only feet away--and he took it amicably enough.

    My mother and I still laugh about that one to this day.

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    Why should the Government get to tax Marijuana? Screw the Government. Get the hell out of the way and make it completely legal. You can grow 1/20th of an acre of Tobacco, per adult household member, legally. No tax. 1/20th of an acre is a plot approximately 10 foot by 200 foot. That's a lot of Tobacco.

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    I bet this is going to piss Jeff Sessions off.

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    Constitution gives zero power to the fed gov to have a say on drugs.

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    Plus with the evil tobacco revenue's dwindling, they need a new source of scourge to tax and villainize.
    This is it right there. Once they legalize marijuana and regulate it via the federal government, they can tax the crap out of it AND the growers. And they'll put regulations on it like food, where you can only buy it from FDA approved growers and sellers. And those sellers will need all kinds of licenses and inspections. And next thing you know Phillip Morris, Kraft, and Pfizer are the only ones selling it commercially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imaginative View Post
    Advocating for more socialism, less individual freedom and no States rights?
    Analyzing and predicting /= advocating.

    Besides, at this point I want the God Emperor to WIN at stomping the liberal/homo/ anti-white/environut/"let's become a South African version of Venezuela RTFN" / pro-Turd World immigration crowd, no matter what. If he occasionally does some individually horrible stuff, or does some cynical things to stay in office and unleashed, I'm good with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury3 View Post
    I bet this is going to piss Jeff Sessions off.
    Who cares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercury3 View Post
    I bet this is going to piss Jeff Sessions off.
    Naw, he is still asleep at his desk.
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