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    TSA screeners win immunity from flier abuse claims: U.S. appeals court

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tsa-screen...150740124.html


    By Jonathan Stempel
    (Reuters) - Fliers may have a tough time recovering damages for invasive screenings at U.S. airport security checkpoints, after a federal appeals court on Wednesday said screeners are immune from claims under a federal law governing assaults, false arrests and other abuses.


    In a 2-1 vote, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia said Transportation Security Administration (TSA) screeners are shielded by government sovereign immunity from liability under the Federal Tort Claims Act because they do not function as "investigative or law enforcement officers."


    The majority said it was "sympathetic" to concerns that its decision would leave fliers with "very limited legal redress" for alleged mistreatment by aggressive or overzealous screeners, which add to the ordinary stresses of air travel.
    "For most people, TSA screenings are an unavoidable feature of flying," but it is "squarely in the realm" of Congress to expand liability for abuses, Circuit Judge Cheryl Ann Krause wrote.


    The decision, the first on the issue by a federal appeals court, was a defeat for Nadine Pellegrino, a business consultant from Boca Raton, Florida.
    She and her husband had sued for false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution over a July 2006 altercation at Philadelphia International Airport.
    Pellegrino on Wednesday said she was reviewing the decision. A lawyer who helped with her appeal did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


    According to court papers, Pellegrino had been randomly selected for additional screening at the Philadelphia airport before boarding a US Airways flight to Fort Lauderdale, Florida.


    Pellegrino, then 57, objected to the invasiveness of the search, but conditions deteriorated and she was later jailed for about 18 hours, the papers show. Criminal charges were filed, and Pellegrino was acquitted at a March 2008 trial.
    Circuit Judge Thomas Ambro dissented from Wednesday's decision.
    "By analogizing TSA searches to routine administrative inspections, my colleagues preclude victims of TSA abuses from obtaining any meaningful remedy for a variety of intentional tort claims," he wrote.


    Torts are civil wrongs that can result in damages.
    A spokesman for U.S. Attorney William McSwain in Philadelphia, whose office represented TSA officials, had no immediate comment.


    The appeals court ruled 11 months after throwing out a First Amendment claim by an architect, Roger Vanderklok, who said he was arrested in retaliation for asking to file a complaint against an ill-tempered TSA supervisor.
    The case is Pellegrino et al v U.S. Transportation Security Administration et al, 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, No. 15-3047.
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    Just. Don’t. Fly.

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    I continue to exercise my limited redress by NOT FLYING COMMRERCIAL.
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    The key point made in the ruling is that again Congress isn't taking care of business....

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    That's because there are no adults in Congress.

    Edited to add: Or men/women who believe in rights for the "little guy."

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    It's high time this was addressed in Congress. The TSA hasn't stopped any potential jihadis in a LONG TIME. They could still provide security while backing off the more invasive security search functions... but YES, that might require profiling. It's either that or let the airlines handle this on their own - and let the consumer choose who they'll do business with.

    But this is only ONE issue I have with flying these days.

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    haven't walked into a airport since TSA came about.
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    Another horror story....

    For links see article source.....
    Posted for fair use.....
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/tsa-apolo...212620401.html

    TSA Apologizes To NY Giants Player For Spilling Mom’s Ashes During Bag Search

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    Rebecca Shapiro, HuffPost • July 10, 2018

    The Transportation Security Administration apologized to New York Giants player A.J. Francis after he hammered the agency for spilling his mother’s ashes during a baggage search earlier this week.

    Francis, a defensive tackle for the Giants, tweeted a photo of his open suitcase on Monday with an expletive-filled message for TSA.



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    Hey you pieces of shit at @TSA next time you assholes feel the need to go thru my mother’s ashes for no reason, make sure you close it back so her remains aren’t spilled on all my clothes... the least you pieces of garbage can do is your ****ing job

    4:31 AM - Jul 9, 2018
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    Carrie Leanne Francis died on June 26 at the age of 46, according to ESPN.

    TSA’s “Ask TSA” Twitter account, which handles customer complaints, responded quickly, offering the agency’s apologies and condolences.

    “Our officers are trained to handle your carry-on and checked property with care,” the message continued. “Out of respect for the deceased, under no circumstances should the container be opened.”

    Since it appeared that someone had opened the container of ashes Francis put in his checked baggage, TSA said it would investigate further.

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    1: We're very sorry to hear about this. We understand the emotional stress travelers are under when transporting the remains of a loved one. Our policies and procedures focus on ensuring that all passengers are treated with dignity, respect and courtesy.

    7:21 AM - Jul 9, 2018
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    2: Our officers are trained to handle your carry-on and checked property with care. Out of respect for the deceased, under no circumstances should the container be opened. Please accept our apologies and our condolences. http://bit.ly/1OfLGg6 https://twitter.com/messages/compose..._id=3292337961

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    The craziest part of this @TSA shit is that I dont even care that they checked it... they were just being cautious, & I can understand that.

    But to not ensure that it won’t spill back into my bag after you put it back in is the most asinine & irresponsible shit I have ever seen.


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    We want to look further into this. Please let us know which airport you traveled through, as well as the airline and flight information.

    1:36 PM - Jul 9, 2018
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    In a statement to HuffPost on Tuesday, TSA said a video review showed that Francis’ checked bag was searched for an unidentified object at Los Angeles International Airport.

    “A TSA officer discovered the unidentified object was an opened, unmarked ceramic container, wrapped in aluminum foil inside a small bag,” the statement continued. “The TSA officer completed screening of the checked bag, clearing it to continue to its destination. The container was carefully repacked and placed in the bag.”

    The agency also said it recommends taking cremated human remains in carry-on baggage, but each airline has specific requirements that can be difficult for travelers to accommodate after the death of a loved one.

    When a follower asked Francis why he put the ashes in a checked bag, he said Delta Airlines required a death certificate, which was still in the mail to him. The length of time required to obtain a death certificate varies by state, but it can take multiple days to several weeks to receive.

    On its website, Delta states that a death or cremation certificate is required to put remains in carry-on luggage. Along with TSA, the airline suggests travelers put the remains in a wood or plastic container, which can be easily X-rayed.

    “TSA is not allowed to open the container under any circumstance. You can check cremated remains, as long as they pass through security screening,” the site adds.

    Francis tweeted that he was not interested in speaking to the media about the incident because it’s upsetting and still raw. He continued to blast TSA for spilling the remains, saying he was not upset that his bag was inspected, but that the container was not replaced properly so its contents would not spill.

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    The craziest part of this @TSA shit is that I dont even care that they checked it... they were just being cautious, & I can understand that.

    But to not ensure that it won’t spill back into my bag after you put it back in is the most asinine & irresponsible shit I have ever seen.

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    John R Wersan Jr
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    · 9 Jul
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    So @AskTSA @TSA Who's going to be FIRED for messing with the cremains? If they violated your explicit rules, and desecrated the cremains, they should be terminated ASAP!


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    I don’t even want anyone fired... that person made a stupid mistake but they have a family too. I just want TSA to be cognizant if it’s own internal idiocy

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    The Giants announced they signed Francis to the New York team in May.

    This article originally appeared on HuffPost.
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    False arrest is unlawful says the supreme court and not once but a few times and enough to say it's carved in stone.
    Last edited by Publius; 07-11-2018 at 08:57 PM.

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    Abolish the TSA!

    Hire Israel to screen for us.
    Possibly a "socially retarded" redneck rebel!

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    screeners are shielded by government sovereign immunity from liability under the Federal Tort Claims Act because they do not function as "investigative or law enforcement officers."
    If that's true, what right do they have to go through luggage, pull people aside for more thorough screening, or detain people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    It's high time this was addressed in Congress. The TSA hasn't stopped any potential jihadis in a LONG TIME. They could still provide security while backing off the more invasive security search functions... but YES, that might require profiling. It's either that or let the airlines handle this on their own - and let the consumer choose who they'll do business with.

    But this is only ONE issue I have with flying these days.
    This would have been the better way to set up the pre-screening/security operations, from the start - NO government-controlled TSA entity or direct involvement - let the airlines handle it (after all, they have significant skin in the game) and let consumers decide who they may wish to fly with - or, not.

    Some might argue that by not having a TSA-type function under the strict control of the FedGov, and instead, leaving the security function to private enterprise/individual airlines, would allow/ecourage the bad folks to sneak-attack more easily - one way, or another. Don't believe this to be the case, IMHO.

    Another point - disgusted customers would have a much easier time of taking effective legal action against overly aggressive private, airline-run security operations versus the FedGov-TSA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Abolish the TSA!

    Hire Israel to screen for us.
    TSA is Mossad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Just. Don’t. Fly.
    I'll tell ya from what I've seen over the years, once I'm not part of the industry I have no plans for putting up with all the bull crap period! I personally wouldn't fly either!

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    Hell, in Pakistan they simply said place your bag here on the counter.
    Now open them.

    And then they rooted through them, asking about things they had questions about and if your answer was insufficient, it went onto a 55 gal drum.
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    we DO NOT and we WILL NOT fly and this kind of shit is THE reason for that
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    In a 2-1 vote, the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia said Transportation Security Administration (TSA) screeners are shielded by government sovereign immunity from liability under the Federal Tort Claims Act because they do not function as "investigative or law enforcement officers."
    When TSA started years ago, I would often ask the agent if they were LEOs. Mostly they would say yes, which was illegal- impersonating an officer.

    And the Gestapo were not LEOs or investigators either. They were neighborly consultants for national security.
    Last edited by LightEcho; 07-13-2018 at 09:07 AM. Reason: sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Just. Don’t. Fly.
    Yep my first thought. Those that don;t have to fly just don;t do it. If the regular person would stop flying to visit family or take vacations some of this crap would stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    False arrest is unlawful says the supreme court and not once but a few times and enough to say it's carved in stone.
    Yes, but if they aren't law enforcement, they can't arrest. So no "false" arrest.

    Question does that mean they have no ability to make you submit to a search. It doesn't cut both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20Gauge View Post
    Yes, but if they aren't law enforcement, they can't arrest. So no "false" arrest.

    Question does that mean they have no ability to make you submit to a search. It doesn't cut both ways.
    If you do not comply they turn you over to state police. If there is some evidence of crime (weapon, contraban, etc) they call state police over for arrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    IThe TSA hasn't stopped any potential jihadis in a LONG TIME.
    The never have
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonas View Post
    Abolish the TSA!

    Hire Israel to screen for us.
    Can't... They may have an impeccable record, so far but, HORRORS, they profile!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSTemplar View Post
    TSA is Mossad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seer View Post
    If that's true, what right do they have to go through luggage, pull people aside for more thorough screening, or detain people?
    Very good point here. Looking forward to comments on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivium Pursuit View Post
    Very good point here. Looking forward to comments on this one.
    I'm pretty sure they are acting on the property manager's behalf ( could be wrong ) but that does give security officers limited powers....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dosadi View Post
    haven't walked into a airport since TSA came about.
    I did for one round trip, going to O' Hare and back. TSA goons at both airports. Never again.
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    Recently flew to Florida, and back, visiting family. Leave from Burlington, and arrive at an even smaller airport in FL. I find TSA to be pretty benign, and friendly when there is only 3 or 4 of them in the whole place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trivium Pursuit View Post
    Very good point here. Looking forward to comments on this one.
    Especially if they like the way a girl looks.

    I will never fly again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seer View Post
    If that's true, what right do they have to go through luggage, pull people aside for more thorough screening, or detain people?
    They operate by YOUR consent. If you try to fight it, they point out that the airport is a private entity with rules and by entering it you comply with and agree with the rules. If you decide not to, you are not required to and you will not use the airport. So you take your choice- comply or you will not pass through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightEcho View Post
    They operate by YOUR consent. If you try to fight it, they point out that the airport is a private entity with rules and by entering it you comply with and agree with the rules. If you decide not to, you are not required to and you will not use the airport. So you take your choice- comply or you will not pass through.
    For my 2000th post.......

    I agree that their business, their rules, but if they can search your luggage and detain you for the police, they have the same effect as law enforcement and should be held to similar standards. The appeals court got it wrong. If you are detained, either you have been arrested or kidnapped. Their are no alternatives. To me it is a very black and white situation.

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