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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbin View Post
    Careful on citation from the Bible.

    He also said "The Poor will always be with you."

    and

    "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

    As in this case rendering obedience. Caesar has immigration law for reason, not the least of which is protecting America's (everyone here) interest.

    Citation from The Bible CAN be a convenient argument stopper. We have a Religion Sub-Board where this is encouraged.

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    if you sneak into a country illegally hoping to take advantage of it and all its benefits, but then get caught, got no place to accuse or complain. you tried to beat the system, and alot of people have done so, but it does not mean you deserve any special treatment because you have a baby at the breast. you Knew you were taking a chance breaking our laws, you Knew you could be caught and deported---- you got caught breaking our laws and will be deported. thats the law..
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    If the illegals and the leftists play their cards right, they might be able to turn this "feeding the children" meme into the latest
    "sympathy card", like #metoo, #bringourgirlshome, or #blacklivessplatter.

    Someday soon, Americans may awake to find that it's insensitive, racist or even fascist to arrest an illegal who is feeding her child.
    Of course, at some point this WILL morph into not only someone who is feeding their child, but who is just walking with a child,,
    or has a child playing in their yard.

    But for now, it's just feeding. Can't wait to hear the first story about a SWAT team breaking into a home looking for a drug lord,,
    and some 60 year old woman grabs a guy by the scruff of his neck and shoves her tit in his mouth,, to avoid or escape arrest.

    You just know it's coming...
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    Summerthyme, you're an administrator, can you talk the other mods into getting a thumbs up and thumbs down button, or even a "like" button would do. I'd give you 10 thumbs up for your comment.
    Quite possibly a custom coding issue - or, a paid upgrade of the TB2K board software - or both - strictly a Dennis question.


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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Well, couldn't they wait until the child was fed?
    Or, Mom could have chosen to feed Jr. on soil that she is legally entitled to inhabit . . .


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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by intothatgoodnight View Post
    Quite possibly a custom coding issue - or, a paid upgrade of the TB2K board software - or both - strictly a Dennis question.


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    Yes. It likely isn't possible with the software currently used for the board.

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    Hmmm. Perhaps they let these ppl in to do child trafficking. Not that I care about illegals mind you but this did cross my exhausted brain. Yes. It’s probably just a voter block. Then again it could be a two-fer. What ever it is it needs to stop RTFN.
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  8. #48
    A point of interest, even many prisons allow Mothers to nurse their infants; I am not sure that taking babies away from their mother's this young really accomplishes anything since if their Mother is deported and the baby was not born on US soil than obviously it should be deported with her.

    If the Mother is sent to a US jail, then I think they vary on their positions in terms of infants if they can stay with the Mother a few months or have to go directly into foster care.

    I can understand this policy for older children and/or for any Mother who is actually placed in jail rather than a detention center.

    But I am not sure about taking nursing infants from their Mother's arms and then placing them in an already overburdened US foster system; it can be very damaging for the child (and if they are allowed to stay in the US that because a US problem), it is more expensive for the US (from a practical viewpoint) and I'm not sure it is much of a deterrent to someone desperate enough to go from Honduras to the US illegally while either pregnant or with a tiny child.

    Older kids, I can see the logic and it probably does/is keeping down the number of people crossing over or at least making them think about it before doing so.

    But pulling infants away from a mother's breast not only looks bad, it is bad and it probably isn't going to work the way it is intended either.

    If the system were "working" Mom and Baby would be back in their home country within the week anyway (or Mom would be in jail and the infant handed over to social services).

    They can't legally (right now) just ship babies back to another country (or other children for that matter) unless there is someone there who agrees to take them, and in many cases, there isn't.

    I am not sure all the rules and regulations on that, but you can't have tiny children dumped on airport tarmacs, at least not legally (under US law anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Well, couldn't they wait until the child was fed?

    Were they trying to get a peek at something private?

    maybe if you were a court bailiff and saw this same con 15 times a day >>> you'd be busting it up also ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaMan View Post
    Sorry, but my give a damn meter is broken today.

    If I had a warehouse full of f’ks, I wouldn’t give one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Sooooo... just MAYBE you shouldn't haul your baby along while you're BREAKING THE FREAKIN' Law!!

    I am SO sick of this...

    Would anyone find the argument reasonable that "boohooo... the cops arrested me for robbing the bank while I was nursing my baby in the parking lot with the loot next to me"?!

    ENOUGH! I can pretty well guarantee that anyone trying to cross the border into Mexico, Nicaraugua or other South American countries without ALL their papers in order (and half the time, the proper bribes) will be tossed into a prison that would make our 'detention centers" look like country clubs.

    Why in hell are we the only country in the world not allowed to defend our borders?!

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  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    If I had a warehouse full of f’ks, I wouldn’t give one...
    This got an actual LOL from me. Good job Dennis!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    Tammy ALWAYS likes to cite Bible passages.....AFTER she pulls her mind out of the gutter.
    And you don't dare cite one to counter her. I'm still waiting for her to come back on the pot threads after proving God gave us every herb-bearing seed.

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    I knew I'd regret clicking on a thread started by the OP. Boo Fing hoo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    And you don't dare cite one to counter her. I'm still waiting for her to come back on the pot threads after proving God gave us every herb-bearing seed.
    It's difficult to counter with scripture when you have the law of the land on your side. That's the only thing that our laws recognize, law of the land, not laws or verses of the Bible. As I see it, you lose every time you cite scripture as it's meaningless to how we live each day when we leave our home. Try to stand in front of a court appointed Judge and recite scripture to defend yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    It's difficult to counter with scripture when you have the law of the land on your side. That's the only thing that our laws recognize, law of the land, not laws or verses of the Bible. As I see it, you lose every time you cite scripture as it's meaningless to how we live each day when we leave our home. Try to stand in front of a court appointed Judge and recite scripture to defend yourself.
    Oh, that's true. But then that's why people are working on legalization / decriminalization. It's actually not germane to this affair either way; if you read that thread, you'd find that Tammy was very much against weed in pretty much any form as being immoral and probably Satanic. When I broached the notion that God made weed, and therefore it really couldn't be either unless you started talking about overuse, she went silent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanta View Post
    Tammy, apparently you believe the word of a criminal and a lawyer without any other evidence. I mean, why would she lie right?

    If you take your kid with you and break into somene's home and then you get caught what is going to happen to your kid?

    But you expect Illegals to get better treatment?
    She very well could be lying, yes. That crossed my mind. No, I would not expect illegals to get better treatment. They are putting a big strain on our coffers and have been stealing from the FUSA for way too long...billions of dollars.

    I do feel sorry for those little helpless kids, suffering at the hands of irresponsible adults, born into that fate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    Tammy ALWAYS likes to cite Bible passages.....AFTER she pulls her mind out of the gutter.
    Oh? I am only human. Yes, I have been around the block a few times.

    There are actually quite a few people like what you describe; you are not like that, then?
    “My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.” - Stonewall Jackson

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    Sounds like the FUSA taxpayers are on the hook to pay for them to have legal representation.

    From my OP, the picture is of "Miguel Nogueras, a federal public defender."

    What's up with that?
    “My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave.” - Stonewall Jackson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    A point of interest, even many prisons allow Mothers to nurse their infants; I am not sure that taking babies away from their mother's this young really accomplishes anything since if their Mother is deported and the baby was not born on US soil than obviously it should be deported with her.

    If the Mother is sent to a US jail, then I think they vary on their positions in terms of infants if they can stay with the Mother a few months or have to go directly into foster care.

    I can understand this policy for older children and/or for any Mother who is actually placed in jail rather than a detention center.

    But I am not sure about taking nursing infants from their Mother's arms and then placing them in an already overburdened US foster system; it can be very damaging for the child (and if they are allowed to stay in the US that because a US problem), it is more expensive for the US (from a practical viewpoint) and I'm not sure it is much of a deterrent to someone desperate enough to go from Honduras to the US illegally while either pregnant or with a tiny child.

    Older kids, I can see the logic and it probably does/is keeping down the number of people crossing over or at least making them think about it before doing so.

    But pulling infants away from a mother's breast not only looks bad, it is bad and it probably isn't going to work the way it is intended either.

    If the system were "working" Mom and Baby would be back in their home country within the week anyway (or Mom would be in jail and the infant handed over to social services).

    They can't legally (right now) just ship babies back to another country (or other children for that matter) unless there is someone there who agrees to take them, and in many cases, there isn't.

    I am not sure all the rules and regulations on that, but you can't have tiny children dumped on airport tarmacs, at least not legally (under US law anyway).
    Exactly. It just doesn't make practical sense to me at all. If we had a working wall, she & baby would have been prevented from coming at all. If we had a working system, they would have been turned back ASAP. Now we have the expense of a court case, a (possibly now emotionally damaged) child in foster care, and the government most likely subsidizing that child for life even if it gets adopted out of foster care. Breast milk is free; that baby would be no cost to the U.S. unless they were willing to give her diapers for it until she gets back to the border (probably a good idea; I can't imagine the mess to clean up if they didn't! )

    I don't even see the logic for older children; if a mom knows that if she makes it to the U.S. her child will be taken away, put in the foster care system, then possibly adopted out....that could be exactly what she was hoping for when she came here, or at least her second choice next to her staying here with her child. I honestly don't see how that's an incentive. Again, why not just send them back ASAP and avoid the complications? How hard is it to figure out that she's illegal and get her & her children on the next bus out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    Tammy, WHY DOES YOUR MIND ALWAYS GO TO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, which generally involves something smutty???

    You! A self-proclaimed Christian, instantly thinking this trash up when nothing of the sort is even mentioned in the article, much less alluded to!!

    Please get your mind out of the gutter.
    Always??? Well, I didn't know that. Thanks for your consideration. Are you the morality police now?

    Well, let's see, I am not going to try to fully explain myself, in fact some of it is nobody's business.

    You could direct this same at many others, but you choose to try and demonize me. Fine.

    A few include some of the brutal realities we have these days, including: pizzagate, Bill Cosby, #Metoo, pornography widespread, TSA assaults, LBGTQ and drug-related perversions that are in my AO and in the newspaper, to name a few.

    I can do my best to duck cast stones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    Well, couldn't they wait until the child was fed?

    Were they trying to get a peek at something private?
    Screw you. That's their job. You want to commit culture suicide, cut your own wrists. Don't put your liberal guilt trip on us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TammyinWI View Post
    She very well could be lying, yes. That crossed my mind. No, I would not expect illegals to get better treatment. They are putting a big strain on our coffers and have been stealing from the FUSA for way too long...billions of dollars.

    I do feel sorry for those little helpless kids, suffering at the hands of irresponsible adults, born into that fate.
    Your full of crap. Your post says what you are thinking. Your a weak willed loser who cuts some texts out of a old book and hides behind them.
    Less typing, more prepping.

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    Now that was totally "Chicken Shiite" thing to do. OK....you don't want her here ILLEGALLY. That's totally understandable, but to take her child like that is totally BUTT TURD AWFUL!! Seriously. What the Hell?!?!?!?
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMan View Post
    Now that was totally "Chicken Shiite" thing to do. OK....you don't want her here ILLEGALLY. That's totally understandable, but to take her child like that is totally BUTT TURD AWFUL!! Seriously. What the Hell?!?!?!?
    Be mad at the mother. SHE and she alone is responsible for being separated from her child!

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    Weaponized empathy. Nothing more.
    Less typing, more prepping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfall2005 View Post
    Weaponized empathy. Nothing more.
    Good way to put it.
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    Look up IQ stats per country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMan View Post
    Now that was totally "Chicken Shiite" thing to do. OK....you don't want her here ILLEGALLY. That's totally understandable, but to take her child like that is totally BUTT TURD AWFUL!! Seriously. What the Hell?!?!?!?
    Okay, then any woman that has children, make the children go to prison along with their mother. How do ya think they'd like that environment being behind bars with their illegal mother? Might be a good experience for them. They'll get no special treatment just because they are "chilldrun." Yep, it would be butt turd awful alright!
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