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INTL Hamas admits most killed in Gaza violence were its members
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    Hamas admits most killed in Gaza violence were its members

    Hamas admits most killed in Gaza violence were its members
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    A senior Hamas official admitted Wednesday that dozens of rioters killed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip were members of the militant group.

    The official, Salah Bardawil, told the private Palestinian news outlet Baladna TV that 50 of the protesters killed in Monday's violence were members, with the others being "from the people." He did not specify what roles the victims had in the organization, such as whether they were members of the group's armed wing.

    The admission came one day after Björn Stritzel, a reporter for the German tabloid BILD, tweeted so-called "martyrdom pictures" of Hamas militants killed in the violence.

    Israel's government said Bardawil had proven that its forces had acted appropriately in response to the mass attempt to cross the border with Gaza. Israel has repeatedly claimed that Hamas uses weekly border protests as cover to stage terror attacks.

    "It was clear to Israel and now it is clear to the whole world that there was no popular protest; this was an organized mob of terrorists organized by Hamas," said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel had tallied similar numbers to Hamas', and "won't let those who call for our destruction to breach our borders and to threaten our communities."

    In response to the uproar over his remarks, Bardawil later said in a statement that Israel was "legitimizing the killing of Palestinians just because they are Palestinians or just because they are Hamas, even if they were unarmed and defending their dignity and rights."

    On Tuesday, the Israeli Army released a video that appeared to show protesters detonating several explosions near the border. It also said its forces had killed a squad of Hamas gunmen who opened fire at troops.

    Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, a military spokesman, said 14 of those killed Monday were actively involved in carrying out attacks.

    Israel says it uses live fire only as a last resort. Snipers are supposed to aim at protesters' legs and can shoot only with approval from a commander.

    Despite the evidence, the images of of rifle-toting Israeli snipers facing off against seemingly unarmed protesters caused an uproar around the world.

    Countries have summoned and recalled ambassadors, the U.N. has issued condemnations and some have called for an investigation of Israel's actions. The Palestinians held a one-day general strike and called for three days of mourning for the victims.

    The U.S. was among the few countries that came to Israel's defense, backing its right to protect its border on the same day that it countered international disapproval of moving its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The Palestinians, who seek east Jerusalem as capital of their hoped-for state and vehemently oppose the U.S. move, recalled their ambassadors to four European countries that had supported it.

    On Wednesday, Guatemala followed the U.S. lead, festively opening its new Jerusalem mission with Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales saying his country was bringing a message of "love, peace and fraternity" to Israel. Paraguay said it also will move its embassy to Jerusalem. Romania, the Czech Republic and Honduras have said they are considering doing the same.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.


    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/05...s-members.html

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    Hamas is at WAR with Israel - or did they forget that - ???? - sorry but you purposely send civilians into a combat situation - it's YOUR problem not the enemy's problem ....
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    Apt term for what Hamas is doing on the Gaza border lately...

    Suicide rioting.

    IMO, one way that the IDF could retake the moral high ground (as perceived by the world, which they've not lost IMO) would be if Hamas captured an IDF servicewoman, and her fate was publicized.

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/the-e...-gaza-protests

    May 15, 2018

    "They’re not protests. They’re suicide-riots.

    On Monday President Donald Trump fulfilled his campaign promise to move the United States embassy in Israel to the country's capital, Jerusalem. As usual, the American and European media’s coverage interpreted the event in the worst possible light for the nation of Israel. One learns very little from our mainstream news sources about what the move may mean for the nations primarily concerned—Israel and the United States—but a great deal about the Palestinian “protests” happening along Israel’s southern border with Gaza: Headlines in the New York Times and Washington Post proclaimed (misleadingly) “Israel Kills Dozens and Wounds 1700 at Gaza Border” and “Over 50 Killed in Gaza Protests as U.S. Opens Embassy in Jerusalem.”

    We put the word “protests” in quotation marks advisedly. In ordinary English usage, a protest is a collective action or gesture meant to bring pressure on a government or corporate entity. The Gaza “protests” are meant to bring pressure on Israel, but they’re intended mainly to kill and maim both Israelis and the Palestinian “protesters” themselves.


    These demonstrations would be better described as suicide-riots. For nearly two months, Hamas and other militant factions have been encouraging young Palestinian men to storm the fence separating Gaza from Israel. The rioters cut holes in the fence, charge Israeli guards with crude weapons like axes, and lob fire bombs over the wall in attempts to set Israeli fields on fire. Hamas has pledged to massacre those on the other side of the fence, and these riots are expressions of that intention. Israeli defense forces are obliged to respond with force. An axe-clutching Palestinian insanely charging into Israeli territory isn’t a “protester” but a combatant and a terrorist. The fact that he doesn’t expect to prevail against the might of the Israel Defense Forces—he is in essence on a suicide mission—doesn’t somehow oblige Israeli soldiers not to use force to stop him. The Israelis have no choice but to fire back, and they do, often with deadly results.

    This is Hamas’s longstanding strategy: The more Palestinian young men die, the more hellish the conditions of Palestinian neighborhoods, the more sympathy aroused in Western media. Hence Palestinian rioters’ destruction of the only cargo passage through which cooking fuel can get to Gaza’s 2 million residents. The act of vandalism appears senseless unless you understand Hamas’s aim is to make Palestinians destitute for the benefit of Western media.

    And the Western media generally fill their expected role by placing at least an equal share of the blame on Israel and its American backers. So, for instance, American and European media readily accept casualty statistics from the Gaza Health Ministry, a Hamas outfit deliberately aiming to exaggerate Palestinian deaths. These same media, similarly, nearly always accept as genuine the reasons for the riots expressed by Palestinian organizations. Eighteen years ago, it was Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple mount that supposedly sparked the second intifada and the attendant bloodshed. This time, we’re told, it’s Trump’s embassy move that gives Palestinians license to plunder their own resources in acts of irrational rage.

    Most ordinary Palestinians, however, appear to be smarter than the smart people whose job it is to give us news about Israel and the Palestinian territories. Despite all the violence in Gaza, the place where most Palestinians live—the West Bank—has remained largely quiet. The Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem, too, have been devoid of riots. All contrary to the dire predictions of Western experts who foresaw destruction and bloodshed across the Arab world in response to the U.S. decision to move its embassy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaSmith View Post
    Suicide rioting.

    IMO, one way that the IDF could retake the moral high ground (as perceived by the world, which they've not lost IMO) would be if Hamas captured an IDF servicewoman, and her fate was public.
    Imo, The world has made up its mind. Few minds would be changed with what you described.
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    To re-purpose an old joke:

    Q: What do you call 50 Hamas members killed at a protest?

    A: A good start.
    "Growing up leads to growing old and then to dying,
    And dying to me don't sound like all that much fun"

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    Hamas and their young children.....good photo ops. Golda Mier once said you can't talk peace with a people who can't even love their own children.

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    Something peculiar here. HAMAS would be better off internationally if they had claimed that the 50 dead were pregnant woman shot down while out shopping. Instead they claimed they were soldiers of the Jihad or equivalent indicating that Israel really was defending itself.

    There some internal struggle going one with rival gangs.?
    "The misfortune of many is the consolation of fools" Ancient proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troke View Post
    Something peculiar here. HAMAS would be better off internationally if they had claimed that the 50 dead were pregnant woman shot down while out shopping. Instead they claimed they were soldiers of the Jihad or equivalent indicating that Israel really was defending itself.

    There some internal struggle going one with rival gangs.?
    No mysterious reason, Hamas was on Palestinian TV and wanted to make sure that the Palestinians did not think Hamas was sending Palestinian women and children to die (which they actually were using as shields - but thanks to previous Israeli intelligence and the best Israeli snipers, who are careful trying not to kill civilians, most of those killed were Hamas terrorists) - So Hamas made sure to tell them most of those killed were their own men - which is true.

    It wouldn't look too good to the Palestinians if they thought their own people were getting killed, and Hamas was responsible for getting them killed - you tend to lose credibility...
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