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BRKG Brand new FIU pedestrian walkway in Miami Florida has collapsed on cars
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  1. #81
    Given the testing was done prior to completion, I'd guess it was material failure, or design failure in regards to the span, less the center support. The center supports the entire span, by offsetting the load to each end. It was mandatory to support the span, with or without the load, as the test seems to prove, or it was materials.

    Either way, not stopping all traffic thru the area was a stupid decison on some entities part....... looks good on paper.

    How many people die in accidents while impacting brigde supports, falling off bridges, etc....per year? Ban big bridges.

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    Yup, killed so many so fast, probably an assault bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoMoreLibs View Post
    Gonna need a few of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffs View Post
    Witness said cars were under the walkway stopped at a red traffic light!

    Don’t feel so silly, now, for stopping well back from overpasses/underpasses out here in quake country. One of these days they may teach that in drivers’ ed.

    BTW, when Loma Prieta collapsed the freeway in Oakland, the few survivors who might have otherwise survived died from their kidneys not being able to filter the crush injury byproducts. Doesn’t look like there were any survivable pockets in that walkway collapse. V sad.
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    Just look at this:


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    Here’s a who’s who of the “let’s cut corners and build a bridge that collapses on day 3” engineers. #MiamiBridgeCollapse

    https://abc-utc.fiu.edu/about-us/key-researchers/
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    Quote Originally Posted by West View Post
    Redneck muse.....

    If the crane was holding or even helping to hold the bridge up, why was not the hazard zone cleared of people? It's like walking under piano being hoisted up on a thin rope, or checking to see if the gun is unloaded (even if you think its unloadef) by pointing it to your head and pulling the trigger. You just don't do that.
    This will likely boil down quickly to what the signed/sealed erection plans say (engineered instructions on how to safely assemble the structure, usually developed by the contractor) and/or if the onsite construction manager deviated from the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas321 View Post
    Affirmative action higher by, a snowflake school.
    I am sure you meant "hire" rather than higher.

    That was the first thing that entered my mind when I saw the OP.

    Without elaboration... I was involved in a team of engineers assembled to "resolve" 60+ change orders that had been involved with a sewage treatment plant in Gary, Indiana years ago. The work was designed by a minority owned (read "black") firm and built by 8A Set Aside (read "black") contractors only.

    It was a cluster**** from the get go and had many more change orders after we resolved these and had left. I have war stories and photos from that assignment that are humorous to the point of being pitiful.

    Likewise...

    Would you want to have your emergency coronary artery bypass grafts performed by a surgeon who was doing the work not because he was the best known at the procedure but, rather, because there was a "conspicuous absence" of "black" heart surgeons?

    I think about affirmative action hires every time I cross a new bridge anywhere.

    God forbid receiving medical care from an affirmative action hire... and they exist in droves.
    Last edited by vestige; 03-15-2018 at 09:26 PM.

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    Is the contractor a right-to work or a union contractor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.A.B. View Post
    And IMPORTED STEEL.
    Years ago I worked at a U.S. Navy facility in the tool room. They built a mezzanine above it and had to add sprinkler pipes. Took them about a week to complete but they used pipes made outside the U.S. An inspector came through and immediately picked up on it and had the contractor in there to explain why. That was on a Friday, when we came in Monday everything was exactly the same except the pipes now had "Made in the USA" stenciled on them. I asked one of the workers who told me they changed them "all" over the weekend. I told him "B.S", you just stenciled them! He just walked away... Wonder how much the inspector made on that one?

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    Don't get to shifting blame to women and minorities until we find out if it was shoddy building materials first. They would have no control over that.
    They have plenty of control over that. Anyone managing a bridges or any other large structure construction project has the responsibility to qualify the building materials and the quality control of the suppliers thereof.

    I'm not saying ignoring this was the cause, rather just saying that ensuring materials quality is part of the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaithfulSkeptic View Post
    They have plenty of control over that. Anyone managing a bridges or any other large structure construction project has the responsibility to qualify the building materials and the quality control of the suppliers thereof.

    I'm not saying ignoring this was the cause, rather just saying that ensuring materials quality is part of the job.
    Yes, I was going to say that even for small projects, the person doing the building is responsible for ensuring the quality of the materials used. No excuses there. And nobody with any honor would try to make that kind of excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjoi View Post
    Don’t feel so silly, now, for stopping well back from overpasses/underpasses out here in quake country.
    No kidding. I don't live in quake country and I feel very uneasy stopping under an old underpass. Especially a train underpass where you know by the amount of rust on the bridge that it's probably 50 years old or more.

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    Oops, wrong thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vestige View Post
    I am sure you meant "hire" rather than higher.

    That was the first thing that entered my mind when I saw the OP.

    Without elaboration... I was involved in a team of engineers assembled to "resolve" 60+ change orders that had been involved with a sewage treatment plant in Gary, Indiana years ago. The work was designed by a minority owned (read "black") firm and built by 8A Set Aside (read "black") contractors only.

    It was a cluster**** from the get go and had many more change orders after we resolved these and had left. I have war stories and photos from that assignment that are humorous to the point of being pitiful.

    Likewise...

    Would you want to have your emergency coronary artery bypass grafts performed by a surgeon who was doing the work not because he was the best known at the procedure but, rather, because there was a "conspicuous absence" of "black" heart surgeons?

    I think about affirmative action hires every time I cross a new bridge anywhere.

    God forbid receiving medical care from an affirmative action hire... and they exist in droves.
    Not wrong thread. Sigh...........

    The doctor who did my double bypass 4 years ago is black. I didn't have any problem whatsoever regarding him.
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    #93:

    The doctor who did my double bypass 4 years ago is black. I didn't have any problem whatsoever regarding him.
    I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt after I made my post that responses like this would appear.

    I will only reply:

    Good for you.

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    My personal experience tells me things like this don't happen in a vacuum. I can't think of one catastrophic failure I have direct knowledge of that came down to a singular error, and I've seen a pile of them. Collapsed bridges, boiler explosions, pipeline explosions, pneumatic pressure test aka bomb explosions, planes falling out of the sky, ships sinking, rockets blowing up on the pad, all the way down to firearms going boom and new tires failing. Not one damn one came from a singular error.

    To be blunt, anyone pointing a finger at a singular fault, much less this early, doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. While nothing in life is 100% guaranteed, that is as close to a guarantee as you'll get.
    Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts...

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    Live video of Bridge collapse. Not the best quality, but it shows one side going down.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OfficialJ...059776/video/1
    But not likely to die free

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornFree View Post
    Live video of Bridge collapse. Not the best quality, but it shows one side going down.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OfficialJ...059776/video/1
    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...205443304.html

    That video is making the media rounds.
    Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BornFree View Post
    Live video of Bridge collapse. Not the best quality, but it shows one side going down.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/OfficialJ...059776/video/1
    THANKS!

    Looks like from a traffic cam.

    I shut off the sound to stop hearing the stupid guy laughing (!) about something he saw on the video.


    Came down in middle first (UNSUPPORTED middle---no middle vertical beam, no suspension cables--not even the platforms that were holding it up when they put it in place--can't impeded that traffic, now----) so down she goes, followed by the ends.
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    They used this construction method for both the JACK (casino) pedestrian bridge in Downtown Cleveland and at University Case for a pedestrian walkway....

    I've ween it work and minimize the disruptions to traffic in SERIOUSLY congested places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    They used this construction method for both the JACK (casino) pedestrian bridge in Downtown Cleveland and at University Case for a pedestrian walkway....

    I've ween it work and minimize the disruptions to traffic in SERIOUSLY congested places.
    But I'll bet in THOSE cases, they didn't put up a LONG unsupported span without the designed-for central vertical pillar and suspension cables that were SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT the bridge--and expect it to just hang there.

    This was like trying to support a heavy oak tabletop on four small broom-handles and expect it to hold....


    If they'd even just left the machines in place they used to MOVE it there, until they got the vertical support system up, it would still be there....
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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/death-toll-...ry?id=53791946

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    Six people have died from the collapse of a newly installed pedestrian bridge on Florida International University's Miami campus, police said.

    Five people were pronounced dead at the scene and another died after being transported to a hospital after the bridge crumbled onto the cars below, Alvaro Zabaleta, a spokesman for the Miami-Dade Police Department, said at an early-morning news conference today.

    Authorities have reclassified the mission to a recovery effort from a rescue effort, indicating it's unlikely survivors will be discovered in the wreckage.

    "There is the sad possibility that under the concrete there may be additional vehicles," Zabaleta said. "The engineers are working at it in a very tactical way. The structure is fragile and could be dangerous to rescue personnel."


    FIU President Mark Rosenberg said today on "Good Morning America” that the “project has been done as every other project at FIU in terms of construction. ... We only work with certified contractors that have been approved by all the appropriate authorities.”

    "We're shocked and we're going to cooperate fully," Rosenberg said. "We've got to get to the bottom of this and we will."

    He added: "Our condolences to all the family members and loved ones to those who were injured and killed in this tragic accident.”

    Witness saw bridge 'collapse in front of me,' fall on cars waiting for the light: 'It was in slow motion'

    Florida bridge that collapsed was touted as 'engineering feat come to life'

    Joining local authorities on the scene were officials from the National Transportation Safety Board and FBI. Engineering crews have worked nonstop, police spokesman Zabaleta said.

    "We've been working throughout the entire night," he said. "This is a very slow process. They're still working away at that concrete."

    "We don't want to rush it and damage any evidence," he added. "That bridge, whatever's left of it, is very, very unstable."

    The newly installed bridge, hailed as an engineering marvel, slammed to the ground around 1:30 p.m. Thursday and immediately trapped at least eight vehicles, authorities said.

    One woman who barely avoided the deadly collapse said she saw the structure crumble "in front of me, and it fell on the cars that were waiting for the light to change."

    "I was near the light. I was the first car that moved forward when it changed and I was near the bridge. It was fine, and all of a sudden, I saw it collapse from the left towards the middle," Suzy Bermudez told reporters Thursday.

    "I ran to see if we could help but the only thing we could see were the car lights in the front, totally smashed, almost to the ground," she said.

    Ten injured in the collapse were transported to Kendall Medical and labeled as level-one trauma patients, Dr. Mark McKenney, the hospital's program director, said Thursday. They ranged in age from 20 to 50.

    Eight others were admitted with broken bones, bruises and abrasions. Additional patients may have been admitted to other facilities.

    The NTSB is planning to investigate the collapse and plans to deploy a team of 15 specialists that includes engineering, material-science and survival-factor experts.

    FIU touted the bridge as one of the first of its kind, tweeting that it swung into place Saturday.


    Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., tweeted Thursday that the cables that suspended the bridge "had loosened & the engineering firm ordered that they be tightened. They were being tightened when it collapsed."

    Rubio, who described the incident as "troubling and tragic," said the bridge was constructed for safety after a student died last year crossing that intersection.

    FIU is one of the 10 largest universities in the country, with nearly 54,000 students enrolled, according to its website.

    This is a developing story. Check back later for more information.

    ABC News' Kelly McCarthy contributed to this report.

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    It'll be interested to see how much of this turns out to have been ego (look at my engineering marvel) vs incompetence vs corruption (this shortcut that puts a little extra money in my pocket won't matter).

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    i am thinking that crane was not rated for that much weight .it looks a little small ..i thought it was said that cranes cable snapped .
    that was a lot of concrete for on pour .it has working time limit and it has to be just right ..where are the slope tests
    stress test for the cable inside of that slab
    records for the crane .how many lifts and how much weight on the cable
    slab looked a bit thin
    rebar stress test
    where was life safety
    epic fail on many peoples part

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    Miami bridge collapsed as cables were being tightened following 'stress test'


    Alan Gomez, USA TODAY
    Published 10:32 a.m. ET March 16, 2018 | Updated 10:51 a.m. ET March 16, 2018

    MIAMI — Authorities say a 950-ton pedestrian bridge that collapsed onto a six-lane highway killing at least six people had undergone a "stress test" hours before and the cables were being tightened when it pancaked onto traffic below.

    After hours of searching for possible survivors amid tons of rubble, Miami-Dade Police Detective Alvaro Zabaleta said Friday that the operation "has turned from a rescue to a recovery operation.”

    At least six people were killed in the accident Thursday afternoon. Four were found dead at the scene, and at least nine others were injured and taken to a hospital

    More: Bridge lifted into place without suspension cables, support tower

    More: Rescuers recall chaotic first minutes: 'We need help!'

    More: 'Oh my God, the bridge isn't there': A scene of horror unfolds in Miami

    The $14.2 million pedestrian bridge was lifted into place Saturday and scheduled to open in 2019 to provide safe passage over Southwest Eight Street, also known as U.S. Highway 41, between the community of Sweetwater and the campus of Florida International University.

    National Transportation Safety Board chairman Robert Sumwalt III said a team of specialists have started investigating the collapse.

    Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez said one factor in the accident may have been the stress test that had just been conducted before the main span gave way.

    Sen. Marco Rubio, who had just left the scene before the accident, tweeted that cables that suspend the bridge had loosened and “were being tightened when it collapsed.”

    Amjad Aref, a researcher at University at Buffalo's Institute of Bridge Engineering, told the Miami Heraldthat stress testing normally involves placing carefully calibrated weights on the span and measuring how the structure responds to ensure it’s within safe parameters.

    One part of the bridge, which spanned 174 feet, came down on the driver's side of a car, killing the female driver, but not the passenger, said Jenna Mendez, a sergeant with the Sweetwater Police Department. Another part fell on the hood of a car with a husband and wife inside — safe.

    "They said they felt everything on their feet, but they were able to pull back and get out of the car," Mendez said. "They were very lucky."

    Rubio, an adjunct professor at the school, noted the pedestrian bridge was intended to be an innovative, “one-of-a-kind engineering design.”

    Renderings showed a tall, off-center tower with supporting cables attached to the walkway. When the bridge fell, the main tower had not yet been put in place, and it was unclear what builders were using as temporary supports.

    The project was a collaboration between MCM Construction, a Miami-based contractor, and FIGG Bridge Design, based in Tallahassee. FIGG is responsible for the iconic Sunshine Skyway Bridge across Tampa Bay.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...est/431392002/
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    Miami bridge that collapsed lifted into place without suspension cables, support tower

    Bart Jansen, USA TODAYPublished 10:34 a.m. ET March 16, 2018 | Updated 11:22 a.m. ET March 16, 2018

    The pedestrian bridge that collapsed in Miami was designed as a suspension bridge, but the central tower typical of such a structure wasn't in place when the main span was lifted into place Saturday.

    Florida International University posted pictures of the bridge as envisioned, with a tall central column and cables stretching down to hold the bridge, shaped like a sailboat. The design is called a cable-stayed bridge, which is a type of suspension bridge.

    Cable-stayed bridges have cables attached directly from the column to the span, while suspension bridges string cables between towers and have other cables descend to the span.

    Ahmad Aref, a professor at University of Buffalo’s Department of Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering, said a suspended bridge is typically built gradually, with the center tower or towers erected early.

    Pictures from the scene of the collapse don’t show a central tower.

    “Whoever is going to investigate, they will ask the fundamental question: shouldn’t the tower be there, and the cables ready to connect to the structure, when you lift it?” Aref said. “That’s a question for them to answer.”

    Andrew Hermann, past president of the American Society of Civil Engineers, said cable-stayed bridges are built in stages, with pieces of roadbed placed on piers before the cables are attached. At each phase in the project, the supports such as piers are designed to hold the entire weight placed on them, he said.

    “When you’re doing staged construction like this, what you have to make sure is that at each stage that the structure is strong enough for the loads that are on the bridge,” Hermann said. “The engineering, both design and the construction engineering, should have taken that into account with the bridge in that condition.”

    National Transportation Safety Board chairman Robert Sumwalt led a team of investigators Thursday to determine what went wrong and what could prevent similar collapses in the future.

    "That’s part of our investigation," Sumwalt said of the lack of central column.

    Suspension bridges are popular across the country — from the George Washington Bridge in New York to the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco— because the way they are built allows for construction across rivers.

    The Kosciuszko Bridge, which carries Interstate 278 called the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway over Newtown Creek in New York City is a cable-stayed bridge. So is the John James Audubon Bridge across the Mississippi River in Louisiana and the Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa.

    Those bridges are much longer and heavier than the bridge at Florida International University, which was built to only handle pedestrians, not cars and trucks.

    “I wish I would be on that kind of investigation, to be honest with you, because in this country we build so many cable-stay bridges for carrying trucks, not pedestrians, and all of them work fine,” Aref said. “The spans, from one end to the other, is much larger than that.”

    Typically on such bridges, the central tower or towers are erected first, Aref said. Then slabs of pavement are lifted into place, alternated from each end and connected to the shortest cables closest to the span connected to the main tower, he said.

    “When they cross rivers, you don’t have the luxury of having a big bridge in one piece and moving it in place like this,” Aref said.

    Robert Bea, a professor of engineering and construction management at the University of California, Berkeley, told the Associated Press that without knowing precisely what happened, the “innovative installation” was risky because the bridge spanned a heavily traveled thoroughfare.

    “Innovations take a design firm into an area where they don’t have applicable experience, and then we have another unexpected failure on our hands,” Bea said after reviewing the bridge’s design and photos of the collapse.

    The $14.2 million FIU bridge was designed under a process called “accelerated bridge construction” that allowed for larger sections to be built and then lifted into place. A 174-foot section weighing 950 tons was hoisted and rotated into place across the six-lane road Saturday. When finished, the bridge would have been 289 feet long and 109 feet tall.

    Aref said he was unaware of such a large section of bridge being put in place without supporting cables.

    “I don’t want to speculate. From a structural-engineering point of view, the forensic engineers won’t take long to figure out what happened,” Aref said. “I think it is not a long investigation. There are glaring things.”

    Munilla Construction Management, a Miami-based construction management firm, won the bridge contract with FIGG Bridge Engineers of Tallahassee. Munilla said it would cooperate with the investigation. FIGG said in a statement “in our 40-year history, nothing like this has ever happened before.”

    But FIGG was fined in 2012 after a 90-ton section of bridge collapsed on railroad tracks in Virginia. Munilla was accused of substandard work in a lawsuit filed this month after a makeshift bridge collapsed at Fort Lauderdale International Airport.

    Occupational Safety Health Administration records show fines totaling more than $50,000 against Munilla for 11 safety violations in the past five years for complaints about unsafe trenches, cement dust and other problems.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...wer/431418002/
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    Miami bridge that collapsed lifted into place without suspension cables, support tower

    Bart Jansen, USA TODAYPublished 10:34 a.m. ET March 16, 2018 | Updated 11:22 a.m. ET March 16, 2018

    The pedestrian bridge that collapsed in Miami was designed as a suspension bridge, but the central tower typical of such a structure wasn't in place when the main span was lifted into place Saturday.

    Florida International University posted pictures of the bridge as envisioned, with a tall central column and cables stretching down to hold the bridge, shaped like a sailboat. The design is called a cable-stayed bridge, which is a type of suspension bridge.

    Cable-stayed bridges have cables attached directly from the column to the span, while suspension bridges string cables between towers and have other cables descend to the span.

    Ahmad Aref, a professor at University of Buffalo’s Department of Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering, said a suspended bridge is typically built gradually, with the center tower or towers erected early.

    Pictures from the scene of the collapse don’t show a central tower.

    “Whoever is going to investigate, they will ask the fundamental question: shouldn’t the tower be there, and the cables ready to connect to the structure, when you lift it?” Aref said. “That’s a question for them to answer.”

    Andrew Hermann, past president of the American Society of Civil Engineers, said cable-stayed bridges are built in stages, with pieces of roadbed placed on piers before the cables are attached. At each phase in the project, the supports such as piers are designed to hold the entire weight placed on them, he said.

    “When you’re doing staged construction like this, what you have to make sure is that at each stage that the structure is strong enough for the loads that are on the bridge,” Hermann said. “The engineering, both design and the construction engineering, should have taken that into account with the bridge in that condition.”

    National Transportation Safety Board chairman Robert Sumwalt led a team of investigators Thursday to determine what went wrong and what could prevent similar collapses in the future.

    "That’s part of our investigation," Sumwalt said of the lack of central column.

    Suspension bridges are popular across the country — from the George Washington Bridge in New York to the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco— because the way they are built allows for construction across rivers.

    The Kosciuszko Bridge, which carries Interstate 278 called the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway over Newtown Creek in New York City is a cable-stayed bridge. So is the John James Audubon Bridge across the Mississippi River in Louisiana and the Sunshine Skyway Bridge in Tampa.

    Those bridges are much longer and heavier than the bridge at Florida International University, which was built to only handle pedestrians, not cars and trucks.

    “I wish I would be on that kind of investigation, to be honest with you, because in this country we build so many cable-stay bridges for carrying trucks, not pedestrians, and all of them work fine,” Aref said. “The spans, from one end to the other, is much larger than that.”

    Typically on such bridges, the central tower or towers are erected first, Aref said. Then slabs of pavement are lifted into place, alternated from each end and connected to the shortest cables closest to the span connected to the main tower, he said.

    “When they cross rivers, you don’t have the luxury of having a big bridge in one piece and moving it in place like this,” Aref said.

    Robert Bea, a professor of engineering and construction management at the University of California, Berkeley, told the Associated Press that without knowing precisely what happened, the “innovative installation” was risky because the bridge spanned a heavily traveled thoroughfare.

    “Innovations take a design firm into an area where they don’t have applicable experience, and then we have another unexpected failure on our hands,” Bea said after reviewing the bridge’s design and photos of the collapse.

    The $14.2 million FIU bridge was designed under a process called “accelerated bridge construction” that allowed for larger sections to be built and then lifted into place. A 174-foot section weighing 950 tons was hoisted and rotated into place across the six-lane road Saturday. When finished, the bridge would have been 289 feet long and 109 feet tall.

    Aref said he was unaware of such a large section of bridge being put in place without supporting cables.

    “I don’t want to speculate. From a structural-engineering point of view, the forensic engineers won’t take long to figure out what happened,” Aref said. “I think it is not a long investigation. There are glaring things.”

    Munilla Construction Management, a Miami-based construction management firm, won the bridge contract with FIGG Bridge Engineers of Tallahassee. Munilla said it would cooperate with the investigation. FIGG said in a statement “in our 40-year history, nothing like this has ever happened before.”

    But FIGG was fined in 2012 after a 90-ton section of bridge collapsed on railroad tracks in Virginia. Munilla was accused of substandard work in a lawsuit filed this month after a makeshift bridge collapsed at Fort Lauderdale International Airport.

    Occupational Safety Health Administration records show fines totaling more than $50,000 against Munilla for 11 safety violations in the past five years for complaints about unsafe trenches, cement dust and other problems.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...wer/431418002/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrk1562 View Post
    i am thinking that crane was not rated for that much weight .it looks a little small .
    If the structure moved into place was actually 950 tons (as stated in the OP) then as far as I know no standard crane is rated for that much weight. I was curious and found this site, which rates various cranes: http://stevensoncrane.com/load-charts/

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    Yes, but the bridge is now broken into several pieces. And it seems like they could use some kind of jacks to lift the pieces enough to pull the cars out.
    But not likely to die free

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    Some pesky questions I haven't seen asked yet.

    - How long will that main highway be shutdown? They tried justifying this project by proudly stating that traffic disruptions would be minimal. Now they have a -total- traffic disruption. They now have hundreds of tons of concrete to remove plus damage to the actual roadway needs to be assessed and repaired.

    - How many OSHA and other Federal and State inspectors were on scene when the accident actually happened? After a deadly crane collapse in Milwaukee it was later revealed that -six- OSHA inspectors were on scene and did nothing to stop the crane from performing it's largest lift ever in high wind conditions.

    - Who is going to pay for this accident and how much money has already been spent/wasted on this collapse? How will this event affect the final cost of this project?

    - Should this project even be resurrected? Is it time to cut the taxpayer's losses and stop the project?
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    Chopper pic from this morning.

    - Why have they -not- lifted any slabs off of the trapped cars?

    - Only two bulldozers apparently just moving a little debris around?

    - Where are any big cranes at?

    - Doesn't the scene look almost -too- clean? Who had time for that during a rescue operation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    If the structure moved into place was actually 950 tons (as stated in the OP) then as far as I know no standard crane is rated for that much weight. I was curious and found this site, which rates various cranes: http://stevensoncrane.com/load-charts/
    There are cranes that can handle 2,000+ ton

    https://www.manitowoccranes.com/en/n...t-lift-to-date
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    There are cranes that can handle 2,000+ ton

    https://www.manitowoccranes.com/en/n...t-lift-to-date
    I was referring to anything they're likely to move through urban streets. I don't doubt some of the big custom-built fixed-in-place jobs can lift that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    If the structure moved into place was actually 950 tons (as stated in the OP) then as far as I know no standard crane is rated for that much weight. I was curious and found this site, which rates various cranes: http://stevensoncrane.com/load-charts/
    I would suspect that the bridge was built with enough clearance for the crawlers to get under it without any lifting, then they moved it into place and lowered it onto the end supports. Still a stupid design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    I would suspect that the bridge was built with enough clearance for the crawlers to get under it without any lifting, then they moved it into place and lowered it onto the end supports. Still a stupid design.
    I seem to recall at least one crawler in one of the earlier posted pictures, so no doubt you're right. I was responding to the comment about the crane that is visible in one of those pictures. If you go to Lilbitsnana's link you'll see that it's about a tracked crane, although it still looks like something you wouldn't casually use in an urban environment.

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    Two tandem crawlers doing the initial lift.
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    Occupational Safety Health Administration records show fines totaling more than $50,000 against Munilla for 11 safety violations in the past five years for complaints about unsafe trenches, cement dust and other problems."

    drop in the bucket for these firms

    the fines should be colossal

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.A.B. View Post
    And IMPORTED STEEL.
    That, right there! I'm thankful that American steel mills are reopening. Anyone who has had to work with that foreign junk knows that to which I refer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryowen View Post
    That, right there! I'm thankful that American steel mills are reopening. Anyone who has had to work with that foreign junk knows that to which I refer.
    Worked with steel and other metals extensively over my lifetime. Hate to break the bad news to you, but it isn't all junk anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Don't get to shifting blame to women and minorities until we find out if it was shoddy building materials first. They would have no control over that.
    Around here, companies doing work for the state would have their quality of materials confirmed. I saw one intersection that had just been completed a few months ago being torn out because the test cores didn't meet the contracted standards. Lab tests could have verified the strength of the materials. The way that alleged bridge came apart appears to indicate very poor concrete quality.
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