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    Two Miramar SWAT officers suspended for heading to Parkland massacre

    It is like all the Command were newbys.
    In a true emergency, the comms are clogged, always.
    I expect officers to respond to a gunfight, uniform, lights, etc, call if there is a break in radio traffic and count beans when the smoke clears.
    This was not a table top exercise. There was certainly not a problem of quick response by too many people, but the Command is the problem, as is the poorly trained officers who slunk around with their thumbs up their butt when kids were dying.
    The article is PR apology for Command choking.
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    Two Miramar SWAT officers suspended for heading to Parkland massacre

    Linda Trischitta Sun Sentinel



    When a gunman started shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, two Miramar SWAT team members did what comes naturally: They went to help.

    Now they’ve been suspended for it.

    The officers did not have permission to respond to the shooting at Parkland on Feb. 14, when 17 people were killed.

    And that created an officer safety issue and left them unaccountable for their actions, according to their police department.

    But their union reacted differently.

    “While it may have been a violation of policy to not notify their supervisors that they were going there, their intentions were brave and heroic, I think,” Broward County PBA President Jeff Marano said Wednesday.

    The SWAT officers who responded were Detective Jeffrey Gilbert and Detective Carl Schlosser. One of them told supervisors he was in the Coral Springs area when the gunfire happened; it’s not known where the other drove from, police spokeswoman Tania Rues said.

    “They were both close by [the high school],” Rues said.

    A third SWAT member, Officer Kevin Gonzalez, was accused of being linked to several social media posts that put the city and police in a negative light, and was suspended for violating the department’s social media policy and the code of conduct, Rues said.

    She said she “could not comment further on where he may have posted information about the mass shooting or what was written.”

    All three were notified Fed. 22 of their indefinite removal from what their department called a “privileged program” and were ordered to surrender their SWAT-issued rifles, but they remain on active duty for their other assignments, Rues said.

    The afternoon of the shooting, Miramar police placed the SWAT team on stand-by in case a request came from the Broward Sheriff’s Office to assist. That call for the team never came, Rues said.

    The Broward Sheriff’s Office said Wednesday it could not confirm whether anyone spoke with Miramar that day, but said Miramar’s SWAT team was “not needed” during the incident.

    Miramar Police sent a victim’s advocate to help console victims’ families and officers to help direct traffic, Rues said.

    The instinct to run toward danger is a common one in police officers, seen often during terrorist attacks and mass shootings.

    But during the Jan. 6, 2017, shootings at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport, over 2,000 cops responded to the original report of gunfire and false reports of additional shots fired, according to a report by the Broward Sheriff’s Office. Five people were killed and six others wounded in the rampage.

    “Police officers have an inherent bias for action, and the minute they hear there’s a violent incident underway their immediate inclination is to go to it and try to stop the violence that is occurring,” Jim Bueermann, president of the Police Foundation, a Washington, D.C.-based police research organization, told the South Florida Sun Sentinel last June. “And we want that in police officers. The problem is being able to channel that.”

    But police response plans around the country have been changed to avoid having cops swarm to scenes. A crowd of arriving law enforcement can jam roads that ambulances need to use, overwhelm radios and in general, add to the confusion of the police response.

    Lessons learned from the Aurora, Colo. movie theater shooting and the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport shooting “clearly demonstrate that a controlled, organized response is what is most effective,” Rues said.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...307-story.html
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    Which explains why, every time you see "a situation" on the news, there are three dozen cop cars jumbled all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Which explains why, every time you see "a situation" on the news, there are three dozen cop cars jumbled all over the place.
    Emergencies are always messy.
    Information is incomplete, erroneous, or unavailable.
    Of course, in a gunfight, the patrol cars should be parked in an orderly manner, arraigned by jurisdiction and rank, not blocking any possible traffic flow and pointed out, but only after after check-in ,briefing and assignment. But that has never happened, except on paper.
    I apologize for the jumbled appearance.
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    WOW what a bunch of bull shit.
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    Yes.

    And BOTH APPROACHES worked SO WELL at Parkland, didn't they? What LE DID do worked well and what they DIDN'T do worked well. It was a textbook operation, in fact.

    And apparently a worse dogpile than I originally thought-

    ETA from the long Parkland thread -
    BSO confirmed Wednesday that Miramar SWAT was “not needed” at the scene as members of BSO’s SWAT team, as well as SWAT personnel from at least 10 other agencies, had responded.


    And all those guys showed up ON FOOT, right?
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    BSO confirmed Wednesday that Miramar SWAT was “not needed” at the scene as members of BSO’s SWAT team, as well as SWAT personnel from at least 10 other agencies, had responded. [/I]


    And no one was allowed to confront the shooter or go to the sound of gun fire. I would say worked as planned.
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    Our area puts a lot of emphasis on protocols or Standard Operating Procedures, drawn up respecting input from real responders, and regular refresher courses.
    Many of us know how the real world works. If a LEO is in real trouble in a bad situation, and I am two minutes away, I lit up and went to help my buddies and stabilize the situation. And you make the Protocols fit the situation.
    A timid and delayed response is not the answer.
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    So at Parkland we got a dogpile rush into a A timid and delayed response.

    Yep. Best of all possible worlds, right there.

    BUT every cop went home safe, except for the one who NDed his sidearm. Too bad about those kids though......

    http://deerfield-news.com/2018/02/15...un-discharges/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    So at Parkland we got a dogpile rush into a A timid and delayed response.

    Yep. Best of all possible worlds, right there.

    BUT every cop went home safe, except for the one who NDed his sidearm. Too bad about those kids though......

    http://deerfield-news.com/2018/02/15...un-discharges/

    Hadn't heard that. What happened?

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    I posted the link too ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    I posted the link too ...
    Yeah, sorry - i was on my phone and missed that part. I thought you were referring to one at Parkland.

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    During most emergencies following the NIMS and ICS protocols emergency responders don't 'self dispatch' as it makes things into a cluster and then other areas are left unprotected if everyone heads for the emergency. However in an active shooter situation and these two being tactical officers with the kind of training needed it's appropriate to respond and then inform your supervisor when there is a break in the radio traffic or let them know with a text message. What this tells the good cops is that the leadership will let no good deed go unpunished. And it makes a real foul taste in the mouth for people expected to put their lives on the line to at some point perhaps bail out their superiors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogmanan View Post
    WOW what a bunch of bull shit.
    ^^^WORD FOR WORD^^^ Brother.

    What’s the ACRONYM for COMPROMISED PU$$IE’$?

    The SWAT people were chastised by a rotten command and control. Mass shootings take minutes any fool knows that, including the hierarchy who managed this stand down operation. There it is a new ACRONYM for the new protocols. SDO.

    Any everyone older than five is mystified by a proper response.

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    So the conclusion is don't wait for the cops and go in yourself.
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    this just saddens me
    My generation of cops, before swat, we would have been putting foot prints on one anothers backs to get in there
    But I come from the generation of peace officers not law enforcement of every inane law the polis pass.

    Eric garner in new york is a prime example of out of control laws.

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    Seems pretty Bass Ackward that cops that respond like cops trying do their duty are being punished and cops that respond cowardly, don't to do their duty and hide while kids are being actively killed....nothing happens to them. WTFO?

    Have we suddenly entered BIZARRO WORLD?!?!?
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    I agree they shouldn't get punished for what they did, in the Fire Department we call it "Freelancing" when someone from another department shows up at a scene where they weren't requested. The only time it does cause problems is when they get too involved and get in the way.

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    [THEY] were pissed of when these officers responded because it was a false flag event and theses officers f///ed it all up, that is just one way of looking at it.

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