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CRIME Horrifying details emerge about Cecil the Lion death
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  1. #1
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    May 2004
    Sandhills North Carolina

    Horrifying details emerge about Cecil the Lion death

    Cecil the lion suffered “incredible cruelty” during a drawn-out death that took as long as 12 hours, according to a disturbing new account of his 2015 demise at the hands of an American trophy hunter.

    Oxford University biologist Andrew Loveridge, who studied 13-year-old Cecil with a team of researchers for nearly 10 years, has uncovered new details about the death of the majestic beast that sparked an international furor, according to an excerpt published in National Geographic.

    Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota who reportedly paid $50,000 to hunt Cecil, might have been aiming for a hunting record based on how he killed the big cat with a bow and arrow, Loveridge writes in “Lion Hearted: The Life and Death of Cecil and the Future of Africa’s Iconic Cats.”

    Palmer, along with Zimbabwean hunter Theo Bronkhorst, used the scent of an elephant carcass to lure Cecil out of Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe. The group, which also included tracker Cornelius Ncube and skinner Ndabezinhle Ndebele, moved the bait out of the protected habitat “presumably by dragging it behind a Land Cruiser,” according to Loveridge.

    Palmer, hidden in a tree, was armed with “lethally sharp arrows.” After Cecil began chowing on the carcass, the trophy hunter, between 9 p.m. and 11 p.m. on July 1, struck him with the first arrow, Loveridge writes.

    By 7 the next morning, the hunting party watched Cecil while he wandered only about 174 yards. Palmer was instructed to “finish the lion off” around 9 a.m. with a second arrow, Loveridge writes. By then, Cecil had moved just 380 yards from the place where he was initially struck, according to GPS data from Cecil’s collar.

    “Judging from the events described by Cornelius and the data sent by the GPS collar, the injured lion most likely was killed 10 to 12 hours after being wounded,” Loveridge writes. “He most definitely did not die instantly and almost certainly suffered considerably.”

    Loveridge supposes that the reason for Cecil’s agonizing death was Palmer’s interest in securing a record for killing a bow-hunted specimen.

    “Perhaps part of the explanation is that Palmer was hoping to submit this obviously large trophy to a hunting record book as a bow-hunted specimen,” Loveridge says. Killing Cecil with a firearm would “render the trophy ineligible as a bow-hunt record.”

    Loveridge suggests Palmer hoped Cecil would die from the initial arrow, which explains why the lion suffered for up to 12 hours before he was put out of his misery.

    “If this was the case, Cecil the lion died slowly and painfully to allow a hunter the ultimate vanity of claiming he had killed a huge lion with a bow and arrow,” Loveridge writes.

    Before killing Cecil, Palmer reportedly had 43 recorded bow-and-arrow kills — including a buffalo, mountain lion and polar bear — as a member of Safari Club International.

    Dentist who killed Cecil the lion won't be charged because hunt was legal
    Dentist who killed Cecil the lion won't be charged because hunt was legal
    After initial reports of Cecil’s death, Palmer did not explain his killing methods and said he knew little about the details of Cecil’s life.

    “I had no idea that the lion I took was a known local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt,” Palmer told the Minneapolis Star Tribune in 2015. “I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt.”

    Palmer was the target of threats after his actions drew outrage, though he was never charged with a crime.

    He returned to his dental practice in September 2015, telling the Minneapolis Star Tribune: “I’m a health professional. I need to get back to treating my patients. My staff and my patients support me and they want me back.”

    Still, Loveridge suggests Palmer’s actions were needlessly cruel.

    “What I find most difficult about the whole incident is the apparent callousness with which the hunters undertook this hunt,” he writes. “The lion was a commodity to be collected, ‘taken’ in hunting parlance. Concern for the pain and suffering of the animal never seems to have been a particular consideration.”

  2. #2
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    Jul 2017
    1 tank of fuel from potential chaos
    "lethally sharp arrows" That is the general idea with bow hunting. Innocuously dull arrows wouldn't be advisable.

    No death in the natural world could be described as peaceful. Dethroned by another king of the jungle. Starvation after the teeth give out.

    I know people don't like trophy hunting. Did ANY charges or convictions result from this highly publicized ordeal? IIRC, once the emotions slowed there were no charges that would stick.
    I know Cecil was a local celebrity. He wasn't on the preserve, right? How far would 50000 dollars go in that economy? I'm assuming that is US dollars, probably converts to a gazillion Zimbabwe notes.
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  3. #3
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    Jan 2012
    And every animal that Cecil ate thruought his life died a calm, serene and peaceful death.
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  4. #4
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    Sep 2004
    Bleeding out is not that painful.

    And the above posters are correct. Very seldom is a death in the wild quick.
    Most animals are eaten while still alive.
    The first arrow obviously didn't hit a vital area. He should have went with the second arrow within an hour after the first.
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  5. #5
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    May 2004
    N. Minnesota
    A lion is a pretty big critter to be killing with a bow. I think bow hunting black bear is stupid, but guys do it all the time. And yeah, if the guy had the chance, he should have finished the lion off as quickly as possible.

    I'm not generally in favor of trophy hunting, but from what I understand, they offered the hunt for this lion because he was getting real long in the tooth, and might as well be harvested so to use the funds for more conservation work. They never tell the whole story in these articles.

  6. #6
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    Mar 2007
    West Virginia
    I think that doctor needs to hunt these people down and drag them into civil court and take them for damages done to him over a legal hunt in another country.
    If they want to protest they need to be told go travel to Zimbabwe and make their protest known to the government there.

  7. #7
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    Mar 2009
    A Socialist State
    The outcry over Cecil when it initially hit weaned away most all my sympathies.

    I'll get upset about Cecil's death when we stop funding baby-killing and baby-parts-body-brokers Planned Parenthood.
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  8. #8
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    Dec 2001
    A rough neighborhood in Hell.
    Every big game animal in the world including elephants, hippos, rhinos, and whale have been taken with the bow, AT CLOSE RANGE. Grizzlies and Polar bears.. yeah, a lung o live shot will kill in 3-5 minutes, a heart shot in 1-4... they can do a lot of damage in that time, better be backed up with a rifle fo a nervous system shot if needed... in this case it wasn't.

    First shot was at 9pm. I don't chase wounded lions in the dark, and I doubt the guide does. Story is a bleeding heat hit piece that completely evades the point that trophy animals fund the economy there, Bow hunting is nearly never instant kill, and the wounding happened at dark. No effort for even handedness so, bah.
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  9. #9
    "Palmer, hidden in a tree, was armed with “lethally sharp arrows."

    Riiiight, because shooting an animal with dull arrows would be so much more humane, eh? I lived in Africa for years; much of life there is painful and cruel. It's the nature of life there, both human and animal. Humanity's entire perception of animal and food value is rooted in local customs and traditions. Do you enjoy your sirloin steak? Guess what. Hundreds of millions of Hindus would think that you're a heartless, godless barbarian. In other parts of Asia, man's best friend - yes, dog - is on the menu. Do you enjoy a cold brewski every now and then? In much of sub-saharan Africa, the beer looks like and has the consistency of corn gruel, is served warm and fermentation is started by tribal women spitting in the corn meal and water mixture. Yum! Oh, and though the African don't talk about it, many of them eat dogs, too. In fact, they'll eat just about any domestic or wild small animal and small chunks of flesh are mixed into their stews or mealie meal porridge.

    It would be instructive for many of the bleeding heart animal rights types to spend an afternoon in a slaughterhouse or packing plant. Lots of blood, gore and terrified animals. Westerners - at least most - have managed to wholly insulate themselves from the realities of animal food production and anything - including hunting - associated with animal deaths. Very, very few Westerners have the guts or respect for their animals to put them down themselves. If their dog or cat is terminally ill, they pay a vet to put it down and wash their hands of the dirty chore of seeing their pet's life out to its end and then burying it themselves. Yeah, I know, not everyone is in a position to do this, but the fact that the practice has become so widespread illustrates our discomfort with animal death, its finality and maybe the fact that it reminds us of our own mortality.

    "Oxford University biologist Andrew Loveridge, who studied 13-year-old Cecil with a team of researchers for nearly 10 years, has uncovered new details about the death of the majestic beast that sparked an international furor, according to an excerpt published in National Geographic."

    A majestic beast? It was an old cat that doubtlessly shredded countless other, ahem, majestic animals (and possibly humans) for food during its life. Again, that's the nature of African life. Do these idiots think that Africa's animals eat daintily-served cans of Lion Chow, Gazelle Chow and Hyena Chow? Too many people think that animals are "majestic" and wonderful, until said animals actually act like wild animals are supposed to. A lion killing and eating a gazelle isn't right or wrong, it just is. People who love dogs, like myself and DW do, don't realize how vicious and dangerous feral dogs are. The little pup that you love and that occupies a special place in your heart and household, only does so because it's been humanized and domesticated. Had it grown up wild amongst a pack, it would either have been killed or turned into a vicious little bugger that would've victimized smaller dogs and other animals.

    Sheesh, the above article is so filled with pejoratives and propaganda that it's amazing that even the mush heads could put any stock in it.

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  10. #10
    Lions of that age often get desperate enough to tackle porcupines for food, and then die REALLY slow, painful deaths from infection and starvation... If other lions don't "put them out of their misery"... And eat them.

    Cecil was *really* lucky he didn't make it back across the preserve border to "sanctuary" after being shot, where it would have been illegal for anyone to shoot him and he could have died "naturally" from gangrene.

    Peter Hathaway Capstick tells of several of that ttype dilemma in his brutally honest and absolutely wonderful books.



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