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    Ex-Russian Spy and Daughter In Critical Condition After Being Exposed To NERVE AGENT In Salisbury UK

    Reminds me of the earlier polonium attack against another ex-Russian spy.

    A toxicology report will be issued shortly.

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    Cops probing Russian spy poisoning IDENTIFY substance used in ‘assassination attempt’

    DETECTIVES have identified the unknown substance that left a Russian spy and his daughter fighting for life, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has suggested.

    By Joshua Nevett
    Published 7th March 2018

    Rudd was told more details about the suspected poisoning of Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, during a Cobra meeting held earlier today.

    Scotland Yard will release an update on the mysterious chemical used in the apparent assassination attempt later today, the Home Secretary said.

    Rudd told reporters after the meeting: “We do know more about the substance and the police will be making a further statement this afternoon in order to share some of that.”

    Meanwhile, counter-terror cops investigating the incident have today urged anyone who visited Salisbury town centre on Sunday to come forward.

    Retired Russian colonel Skripal and Yulia remain in a critical condition after being exposed to the unknown substance in Salisbury, Wilts, on Sunday.

    A blonde woman who was seen on CCTV walking alongside an older man while holding a red bag is being hunted by police, according to reports.

    The footage was captured close to where Skripal – a double agent for M16 – and his daughter were found slumped and unconscious on a bench.

    When the video first emerged yesterday, the pair were believed to be Skripal and Yulia, who had gone out for dinner and drinks in Salisbury.

    But Yulia, who was visiting the UK from Russia, has reddish brown hair, not blonde, according to a witness who saw them hours before they were stricken.

    As scientists examine the “unknown substance" they were exposed to, Scotland Yard’s counter-terror team has taken over the investigation.

    Speculation the apparent chemical attack was orchestrated by the Kremlin was rife yesterday with Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson branding Russia “a malign and disruptive force”.

    Now investigators are exploring the possibility that Skripal – who handed Russian state secrets to M16 – and his daughter were spiked in the pub, the Sun reported.

    Their suspected poisoning is believed to be an attempted assassination by the Kremlin, UK government sources told the Times – a claim it strongly denies

    Scotland Yard is yet to declare a terror incident but is keeping an “open mind” given the similarities with the assassination of ex-KGB spy Alexander *Litvinenko in London.

    Dr. Alina Polyakova, an expert on Russian foreign policy for the The Brookings Institution, told Daily Star Online “the incident smells of Russian foul play”.

    “It follows what is now a common script in which the Kremlin or its proxies assassinate ‘problematic’ individuals living abroad,” she said.

    A spokesperson for Russia president Vladimir Putin has denied any involvement but said the Kremlin is willing to cooperate.

    “Media reports create an impression of a planned operation by the Russian special services, which is completely untrue,” the Russian Embassy in London said in a statement.

    Despite claims the Kremlin had “no information”, Johnson said the UK will respond “robustly” if evidence of its involvement is uncovered.

    Skripal, a former Russian intelligence officer, was jailed in 2006 for selling secrets, including the names of Kremlin agents, to the UK secret service.

    Under a spy swap deal, Skripal was granted refuge in the UK, where he settled with his wife in Salisbury and bought a property worth more than £300,000.

    But in recent years he told police he feared for his life over the threat of Putin ordering his assassination for treason.

    On Tuesday night a police cordon was extended, with a Zizzi restaurant and a nearby pub called The Mill at the centre of the forensic investigation.

    Skripal and Yulia were found passed out on a bench outside the Maltings shopping centre, close to the restaurant and pub, on Sunday afternoon.

    The pair looked like they had “taken something strong”, with Skripal in a catatonic state and Yulia left unconscious.

    Police declared a “major incident” when the pair were found on Sunday, with up to 10 people suffering symptoms including vomiting.

    Among the people affected were two police officers, who treated for minor symptoms and released.

    Professor Alastair Hay, a chemical attack expert from Leeds University, test results might not be known for several days.

    “Individuals cannot provide unlimited amounts of blood for testing so investigations will be guided by the clinical team,” he said.

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    Poison identified as a "Nerve Agent"

    A responding police officer is in serious condition.

    "We are not seeing evidence of a widespread health risk."
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    Live coverage now,

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    It would be my guess that Hillary Clinton strikes again.
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    11:47

    Police have urged anyone who visited Salisbury town centre or the surrounding areas on Sunday afternoon to contact them.

    11:47

    Mr Rowley said police work in Salisbury may take several days.

    11:45

    Mr Rowley said hundreds of officers are working on the case including establishing why Mr Skripal and his daughter were targeted.

    11:44

    Mr Rowley described the incident as "awful" but there is no evidence of a "widespread health risk".

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    Spying is not known to be a hazard free occupation.

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    I read this one when it first hit print ...
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    Review: 'Man With the Poison Gun' offers a deadly dose of reality

    "The Man With the Poison Gun," by Serhii Plokhy, Basic, 365 pages, $28.99. (Hachette Book Group)
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    "The Man With the Poison Gun," a nonfiction book that tells the unusual story of a KGB assassin during the Cold War, once might have fallen safely into the category of "stranger than fiction." But especially in light of recent events including the on-camera assassination of the Russian ambassador to Turkey, the exploits of Bogdan Stashinsky feel eerily relevant today.

    Stashinsky was a 19-year-old university student in Soviet-occupied Ukraine in 1950 when he was conscripted by Nikita Khrushchev's secret police. They knew that Stashinsky's family had ties to the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, which opposed the Soviet presence, and threatened to punish or kill his family members if he didn't inform on them and their friends.

    After delivering the goods, Stashinsky became a paid employee of the secret police. Still telling himself he was playing ball with the Soviets to prevent harm to his family, he underwent extensive training in the espionage arts with the MGB, a precursor to the KGB (which was established in 1954). By 1957, when he received a newfangled poison gun, his self-image had undergone a serious overhaul to go with his new alias.

    According to author Serhii Plokhy, a Harvard historian, Stashinsky's unusual exploits inspired Ian Fleming's 1965 James Bond novel, "The Man With the Golden Gun," which features a weapon that squirts liquid cyanide and leaves no trace. Plokhy is no Ian Fleming. His narrative skills are a bit stodgy. But this is one story that does a good job of telling itself.

    That the book's central figure is not a slick pro, but a reluctant amateur, occasions some memorable scenes. One of them involves Stashinsky's efforts in 1959 to kill reclusive OUN leader Stepan Bandera, who was hiding rather too casually in plain sight in Munich under the name Stefan Popel.

    Stashinsky was equipped with a double-barreled poison gun designed to allow him to take care of both Bandera and a possible bodyguard without reloading. "Bandera was carrying a bag of vegetables and, with only one hand free, was struggling to open the door: his key was stuck in the lock," writes Plokhy.

    "Stashinsky bent down, ostensibly to fix his shoelace, while he waited for Bandera to figure out the door. Stashinsky began to have second thoughts — perhaps it was not the right time to carry out his plan. But he kept going. ... He raised the weapon, still rolled up in the newspaper, and fired it in Bandera's face. He later admitted that he had been nervous and fired both barrels, not just one. There followed a pop. ... In two hours, he was aboard an express train to Frankfurt."

    As it turned out, firing both barrels left a detectable amount of cyanide in the victim's system — telltale proof that the death was not the result of a heart attack or stroke but was in fact a murder.

    Nevertheless, Stashinsky's value to the Kremlin rose. But so, too, did his discontent, especially after officials restricted him to the Soviet Union and meddled in his planned marriage, recommending he break up with his German girlfriend and marry a Soviet woman. In 1961, he carried out his own unlikely plan to defect to West Germany.
    Oddly enough, Stashinsky had to prove in court that he'd actually killed Bandera, as well as dissident journalist Lev Rebet, a leader of Ukrainian emigres in Munich. According to Plokhy, the bad publicity from Stashinsky's testimony "changed how the Soviets fought the Cold War, forcing the KGB to abandon its practice of foreign assassination." His defection also led to wholesale shake-ups in the Soviet power structure.

    All these years later, Stashinsky remains something of an enigma: Questions hover over what did and did not happen, and how much of a pawn of the Kremlin he was or wasn't. He is thought to be living in South Africa, where he is "always looking over his shoulder, aware that the old habits of the KGB die hard, if at all."

    Indeed, according to a recent New York Times article, the Kremlin may be again using its secret service — armed in some cases with poison — to murder political enemies. Though "The Man With the Poison Gun" is being pitched as a juicy spy yarn, its connections to today's headlines remove it from the category of safe entertainment.

    Lloyd Sachs, who regularly reviews crime fiction for the Chicago Tribune, is the author of "T Bone Burnett: A Life in Pursuit."
    'The Man With the Poison Gun'
    By Serhii Plokhy, Basic, 365 pages, $28.99
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    A COBRA meeting is a big deal.

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    Home Secretary to chair Cobra meeting in sign 'poisoning' of Russian spy Sergei Skripal is becoming security crisis

    Theresa May held a meeting of the National Security Council on the incident on Tuesday evening

    By Oliver Milne,
    20:24, 6 MAR 2018
    Updated20:46, 6 MAR 2018

    Home Secretary Amber Rudd will chair an emergency meeting of the government's crisis team Cobra, in a sign that the suspected poisoning of Russian spy Sergei Skripal is becoming a security crisis.

    The meeting, which will update ministers on the current state of the investigation will be held at 10:45am on Wednesday morning.

    It comes after Theresa May held a meeting of the National Security Council on the incident on Tuesday.

    Skripal, a Russian former MI6 spy, and his daughter are currently fighting for their lives after he collapsing on a bench in a shopping centre in Salisbury.

    The pair were found unconscious outside a Suprdrug, many sites across the town - including a chain of chain restaurant Zizzi's - were closed as police investigated.

    The 66-year-old was exchanged in a high-profile “spy swap” in 2010 and is in a critical condition after “suspected exposure to an unknown substance.

    His daughter Yulia, who was visiting her father from her Russian home, is also in a critical condition.

    The Prime Minister’s spokesman said: “At a meeting of the national security council this afternoon, the Prime Minister and senior ministers were updated on the ongoing investigation in Salisbury.”

    It came as it was announced that the Counter Terrorism Policing network is now leading the investigation.

    However it has not been declared a terrorist incident "at this stage", and officers are "keeping an open mind as to what happened".

    Head of Counter Terrorism Policing, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, said that while events in Salisbury were being taken "extremely seriously".

    Earlier, Boris Johnson described Russia as a "malign and destructive force" and said that if state involvement is proved his government will "take whatever measures we deem necessary to protect the lives of the people in this country, our values and our freedoms".

    The Foreign Secretary said: “Boris Johnson said "there is much speculation about the disturbing incident in Salisbury".

    He acknowledged the "echoes of the death of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006".

    Although he said it would be wrong to speculate on what has happened to Mr Skirpal, he said that if it was found that there was state involvement then the government would act "appropriately and robustly".

    He said: "Although I am not now pointing fingers, because we cannot point fingers, I say to governments around the world that no attempt to take innocent life on UK soil will go either unsanctioned or unpunished."

    The Russian Embassy in London has said the country is being "demonised" in news coverage of the incident and has contacted the Foreign Office to complain.

    A spokesperson said: “As of today, the police or other British authorities have not provided the Embassy with any official information regarding this incident.

    "The Foreign Office has not given any notifications either.

    “However, the media are swiftly launching a new phase of the anti-Russian campaign ongoing in the UK. Readers are offered various speculations which ultimately lead to a vilification of Russi

    “Although UK law enforcement agencies have not given any substantive comments on this incident, media reports create an impression of a planned operation by the Russian special services, which is completely untrue."

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    Although he said it would be wrong to speculate on what has happened to Mr Skirpal, he said that if it was found that there was state involvement then the government would act "appropriately and robustly".
    I wonder exactly what they have in mind?

    That is a pretty big bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestige View Post
    Spying is not known to be a hazard free occupation.
    I'm surprised how totally brazen this attack is.

    Usually "wet work" (assassinations) amongst spy agencies are very low key, very deniable and should not involve innocent bystanders.

    I personally think Russia is purposely sending a very clear message that traitors amongst it's spy agencies will be hunted down and terminated regardless of the possible international ramifications. Betray the KGB and they will get you, period.

    Remember the other Russian ex-spy who was poisoned with a rare radioactive agent that could be easily traced to a state sponsor due to the rarity and complex manufacturing process required.

    Why not just use a firearm or run the person over? That would be so much more deniable and avoid an international incident.

    That is my point, apparently Russia wants to send the message to it's ex-spy's and to governments that shield those ex-spies that there are -no- rules when Russian state security is threatened. Plus it keeps any future wayward agents in line.

    In some regards Russia has not ceded that the Cold War is over.
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    I kind of lost respect for the article when the kept refering to MI6 as M16.

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    Usually "wet work" (assassinations) amongst spy agencies is very low key, very deniable and should not involve innocent bystanders.
    It is very unusual that there was that much collateral damage. What was it?? 10 people impacted?

    But.... recalling Ron Brown's "death." Lots of collateral damage there..... 20+ years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestige View Post
    I wonder exactly what they have in mind?

    That is a pretty big bear.
    Sky News was clearly trying to diminish the impact of the attack and was openly speculating about non-state actors, "gangsters" etc. I wouldn't expect less from a Leftist/Pacifist media entity.

    Using nerve agents and radioactive elements in a foreign country should be considered a very serious international incident. Especially when two policemen and ten residents were also sickened in the attack. Imagine the reaction if this happened in the U.S.?

    Is this tough talk from the UK government or just something for public consumption or are major sanctions against Russia in the offering?

    I don't know yet but stay tuned!
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    Another possibility is that someone else wanted the victims out of the way and chose to frame Russia... because, well, "Russia" is the popular boogeyman these days.

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    I wonder if there has been more than one death of a Russian spy in the UK, less publicized and maybe under the radar, that is warranting a major COBRA meeting of their National Security Council. Maybe they are looking at a mass attack?

    And what intelligent Russian Spy defects and then allows his real name to be used?

    Furthermore, if that first guess is right, what is going on to require the sudden silencing of ex-spies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonemom View Post
    I wonder if there has been more than one death of a Russian spy in the UK, less publicized and maybe under the radar, that is warranting a major COBRA meeting of their National Security Council. Maybe they are looking at a mass attack?

    And what intelligent Russian Spy defects and then allows his real name to be used?

    Furthermore, if that first guess is right, what is going on to require the sudden silencing of ex-spies?
    Always a good question to ask!

    Why this story and why now?
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    Slight Drift>>> The term "ex spy" is similar to the term "ex fag."

    Back to thread topic.
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    Sergei Skripal

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    Biography[edit]

    Skripal, who held the rank of colonel, was involved in military intelligence, although the details of his work have been withheld.[7] Some reports have speculated that he was associated with the FSB. According to Russian prosecutors, he began working for the United Kingdom's MI6 intelligence agency in the late 1990s, while serving in the Russian Ground Forces. He was reportedly paid a large sum of money for giving away the identities of a number of Russian agents.[8]

    In December 2004, Skripal was arrested in Russia and charged with "high treason in the form of espionage", and was convicted. Prosecutors initially argued for fifteen years in prison — Skripal was eventually sentenced to thirteen, in recognition of his poor health and the fact that he co-operated with investigators. The affair was not revealed to the public until after he was sentenced in August 2006.[9] Skripal's lawyers appealed the sentence.[10]

    In July 2010, Skripal was released as part of a spy exchange for the ten Russian agents arrested in the United States as part of the Illegals Program,[11][12][13] after being pardoned by the then President of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev.[14] At the time of the prisoner swap, Vladimir Putin, the then and current President of Russia, said in a televised interview: "Traitors will kick the bucket. Trust me. These people betrayed their friends, their brothers in arms. Whatever they got in exchange for it, those 30 pieces of silver they were given, they will choke on them."[15]

    Following his suspected poisoning in 2018, details emerged of his life after his release. He moved to Salisbury, Wiltshire, where he purchased a house in 2011. It was reported that Skripal was well-liked by locals and was a regular visitor to a social club in the area.[16]

    Skripal's wife died in 2012 of disseminated endometrial carcinoma. His son died on a visit to St Petersburg in 2017, and his older brother also died within the previous two years of Skripal's suspected poisoning.[1][17] Both his wife and his son are buried in a cemetery local to Salisbury.[18]

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    Why this story and why now?

    Putin Putin Putin ...

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    Sounds like some pretty messy work. Both targets still alive and collateral damage. You have to turn your eyes toward Russia but being associated with M16 you might want to see if he had contact with Steele. As messy as this job was it could be a Clinton/Obama thing. It truly is cover your ass time among those traitors. This will be interesting to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    Another possibility is that someone else wanted the victims out of the way and chose to frame Russia... because, well, "Russia" is the popular boogeyman these days.


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    Poisoned ex-spy likely latest victim in long line of Kremlin-ordered hits

    By Andrew O'Reilly | Fox News
    1 hour ago

    A former Russian spy and his daughter were poisoned by a nerve agent in a "targeted" act, British authorities revealed Wednesday.

    Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said a police officer who came into contact with the substance that sickened Sergei Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter, Yulia, also fell ill, collapsed, and is in "serious condition." All three are in comas, Sky News reported.

    Rowley said authorities are "working closely with a wide range of specialists" to determine the exact nerve agent involved.

    Rowley stressed that while police are treating the poisoning as an attempted murder, they have no evidence of a widespread threat to others. Chief medical officer Sally Davies told reporters the poisoning posed a "low risk" to the general public.

    "Our role now is to find out who is behind the attacks," Rowley told reporters, adding that authorities as asking for the help from the public as they build a timeline of events of what led up to the poisoning. The Met Police said in a news release they are appealing to anybody who visited Salisbury town center and surrounding areas on Sunday for more information.

    Home Secretary Amber Rudd said earlier in the day it was important to respond to evidence, not rumors. Rudd's comments came after she chaired a meeting of the government's emergency committee, known as Cobra, Sky News reported.

    "There is a lot of information about him but I am not going to comment further about that," she said.

    Her comments came as Russian officials said the case was being used to fuel an "anti-Russian campaign" and further strain ties with Britain.

    "What happened to Skripal has been immediately used to further incite an anti-Russian campaign in Western media," Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said.

    Skripal, a former colonel in Russia's GRU military intelligence service, was convicted in 2006 of spying for Britain and imprisoned. He was freed in 2010 as part of a widely-publicized spy swap in which the U.S. agreed to hand over 10 members of a Russian sleeper cell found operating in America in return for four Russians convicted of spying for the West.

    He and his daughter were found collapsed on a bench near a shopping mall Sunday in the town of Salisbury, 90 miles southwest of London.

    On Wednesday, a Russian politician said that Skripal "wasn't interesting" to the Kremlin and he doesn't believe in Russian involvement in the alleged poisoning.

    In an interview with Sky News, Andrei Lugovoi said Skripal had already served his time after being convicted in 2006 of spying for Britain and had been pardoned by the Russian president.

    "I think that in this case, considering the rules of the Secret Services, the incident was over and done with," Lugovoi said.

    Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson told lawmakers Tuesday that if Moscow is shown to have been involved in the Skripal case, the government would act — possibly downgrading England's participation in this year's soccer World Cup in Russia. Johnson warned British officials may not be involved in the sporting event "in the normal way," but did not elaborate.

    Police, fire and ambulance crews arrived outside Zizzi's restaurant in Salisbury on Wednesday close to the location where Skripal and his daughter were found as the investigation continues, according to Sky News.

    A woman with dark hair was seen being taken out of Sarum House, next door to the pizzeria, and driven away in an ambulance.

    A spokeswoman for South Western Ambulance Service told Sky News she was aware of what was happening, but added: "I'm sorry, we can't give anything out about that one."

    CCTV has emerged of Skripal buying milk and bacon at a shop in Salisbury days before he and his daughter were found collapsed, Sky News reported.

    While police say they are keeping an open mind about the case, it has reminded Britain of the 2006 poisoning of former spy Alexander Litvinenko.

    A British inquiry into his death found that Russian agents poisoned him by lacing his tea with radioactive polonium-210 and that the killing was probably approved by President Vladimir Putin. Russia has denied any involvement in Litvinenko's death, and this week said it wasn't involved in Skripal's collapse.

    Litvinenko's widow, Marina, wrote Wednesday in the Times of London that her husband's case made clear to Britain's emergency services that they need to act quickly when "someone suddenly falls mysteriously ill."

    "I am happy my story has raised awareness about the potential danger posed by Moscow, and this could help to save somebody's life," she wrote in an opinion piece.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03...ities-say.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
    Sky News was clearly trying to diminish the impact of the attack and was openly speculating about non-state actors, "gangsters" etc. I wouldn't expect less from a Leftist/Pacifist media entity.

    Using nerve agents and radioactive elements in a foreign country should be considered a very serious international incident. Especially when two policemen and ten residents were also sickened in the attack. Imagine the reaction if this happened in the U.S.?

    Is this tough talk from the UK government or just something for public consumption or are major sanctions against Russia in the offering?

    I don't know yet but stay tuned!
    Yeah, "sloppy" definitely well beyond that considering the collateral casualties. Heck if the assassin was close enough to use a chemical agent, why the heck not use the old ricin in the BB/airgun method?

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    Just a western ploy to demigogue Russia and increase the war status with Russia . Killers are most likely contractors paid by those who benifit from war

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    Most if not all media in Russia is still state owned or state controlled. What Russian media projects via it's reporting is either indirectly or directly controlled by Moscow.

    It is rather provocative and is very concerning that the latest narrative from Russian media is that Skripal and his daughter "deserved" their gruesome and brazen attack. Not one whit of remorse for the 10 British civilians and two police officers who were also injured in the exotic chemical weapons attack.

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    Russian spy: State TV anchor warns 'traitors'

    By BBC Monitoring
    The world through its media
    4 hours ago.



    Channel One 's presenter warns "traitors" from choosing the UK as a place of abode

    For days, Russia's main national TV channels were practically silent on the attempt to kill former spy Sergei Skripal with a nerve agent, but this changed in Wednesday's main evening bulletins.

    The comment by Kirill Kleimenov - the presenter on government-controlled Channel One's flagship Vremya news programme - sounded like a veiled, mocking threat to anyone considering becoming a double agent for Britain.

    "I don't wish death on anyone, but for purely educational purposes, I have a warning for anyone who dreams of such a career," he said.

    "The profession of a traitor is one of the most dangerous in the world," Kleimenov said, adding that few who had chosen it had lived to a ripe old age.


    Alcoholism, drug addiction, stress and depression resulting in heart attacks and even suicide were the "professional illnesses of a traitor", according to Kleimenov.

    'Maybe it's the climate'

    He also had a second piece of advice for such "traitors or those who simply hate their country in their free time": "Don't choose Britain as a place to live."

    "Something is wrong there. Maybe it's the climate, but in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with grave outcomes there."

    The remarks stood out from the rest of the evening's coverage, which followed the line often taken by Russian state media in similar circumstances - denial and wry bemusement that anyone should be pointing the finger at Russia.

    On NTV - ultimately controlled by state gas company Gazprom - a presenter said the Western media were accusing Russia of poisoning Mr Skripal despite the lack of any evidence or any "expert conclusions".

    Its London correspondent, Liza Gerson, mentioned the role of the UK's Porton Down research facility in the investigation, pointing out that it tested chemicals used against German soldiers in World War One.

    Pro-Kremlin media accuse British counterparts of seeking a "Russian trace" in the poisoning

    She also took a swipe at Boris Johnson's warning to Russia this week, saying the foreign secretary was known for his "unpredictable antics" and was "an infant in a man's suit".

    Over on state channel Rossiya 1, the presenter said the British authorities "didn't even try" to seek Russia's co-operation in the investigation, "but have already discovered a Russian trace in the case".

    'Anti-Russian hysteria'

    Before the leading TV channels picked up the story, it had been widely covered by newspapers, news websites and niche liberal outlets such as Dozhd TV and Ekho Moskvy radio, as well as the relatively little-watched state news channel Rossiya 24.

    "The British media continue to fan anti-Russian hysteria," one Rossiya 24 report said, adding that attempts to find a "Kremlin trace" were based "not on facts, but purely on rumours and fabrication".

    The channel's UK correspondent reported the "interesting detail" that Britain's "secret" Porton Down facility manufactures the VX and sarin nerve agents, as well as other "UK weapons of mass destruction".

    News websites widely reported remarks by Andrei Lugovoi - a suspect in the killing of former Russian security officer Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006 - dismissing talk of a "Russian trace".

    "The English suffer from phobias," Mr Lugovoi - now a member of the Russian parliament - told the RIA Novosti news agency.

    Dozhd TV's take was entirely different from the state media. Here, a presenter said that the discovery that Mr Skripal was poisoned by a nerve agent means "Russia is in for a high-profile criminal investigation".

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    #BREAKING: UK officials say 21 people are now being treated in suspected nerve agent attack
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
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    #BREAKING: UK officials say 21 people are now being treated in suspected nerve agent attack
    This is scary. Apparently whatever was used can do massive damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marymonde View Post
    This scary. Apparently whatever was used can do massive damage.
    Yes, it's horrifying.

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    #BREAKING: UK officials say 21 people are now being treated in suspected nerve agent attack

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    On Thursday, U.K. officials said that nearly two dozen people were being treated in the suspected nerve agent attack on a former Russian spy and his daughter.

    Sky News noted that three people remain in the hospital from the suspected attack including the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal, his daughter Yulia Skripal, and police sergeant Nick Bailey.

    "Multiple people have been treated, around 21 people, including the man and the woman found on the bench," said Kier Pritchard who is the acting chief constable of Wiltshire Police. "A number of those have been through the hospital treatment process, they are having blood-tests, support and advice."

    Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, head of Counter Terrorism Policing, said that scientists in the British government have identified the nerve agent used, but they are not releasing that information at this time.

    "This is being treated as a major incident involving attempted murder, by administration of a nerve agent," Rowley said. "Having established that a nerve agent is the cause of the symptoms ... I can also confirm that we believe that the two people who became unwell were targeted specifically."

    The BBC's Richard Galpin, who was formerly based in Moscow, said that nerve agents are not something that terrorist and organized crime groups are usually capable of making: ​

    Instead, it is usually manufactured by specialist laboratories under the control of governments — and that inevitably means suspicion will now be very much focused on Russia.

    Not only does it have a track record of using poisons to assassinate its enemies, there is also a motive in the case of Sergei Skripal.

    As a military intelligence officer in Russia, he betrayed his country by providing information to MI6, reportedly revealing the identities of Russian agents in Europe. And Russian President Vladimir Putin has in the past indicated that traitors deserve to die.

    Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson told British lawmakers that if Moscow was behind the suspected attack on Skripal that "the government would act — possibly downgrading England's participation in this year's soccer World Cup in Russia," Fox News reported.

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...-idUSKCN1GK1BW

    WORLD NEWS MARCH 8, 2018 / 2:51 AM / UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO

    If Russia role in nerve attack proved, Britain will respond: PM May

    Estelle Shirbon
    5 MIN READ

    LONDON (Reuters) - Britain will respond appropriately if evidence shows Moscow sponsored a nerve agent attack on a Russian ex-spy and his daughter in southern England, Prime Minister Theresa May said on Thursday, in the highest-level warning of action to date.

    Former double agent Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, have been in hospital since they were found unconscious on Sunday on a bench outside a shopping center in the quiet cathedral city of Salisbury.

    British media and some politicians have speculated that the Russian state could be behind the attack - suggestions dismissed by Moscow as knee-jerk, anti-Russian propaganda.

    “We will do what is appropriate, we will do what is right, if it is proved to be the case that this is state-sponsored,” May told ITV News, when asked whether Britain could expel the Russian ambassador over the attack.

    “But let’s give the police the time and space to actually conduct their investigation,” she added, in her first comments on the attack since police said on Wednesday a nerve agent was used.

    “Of course if action needs to be taken then the government will do that. We’ll do that properly, at the right time, and on the basis of the best evidence,” she said.

    Scientific tests by government experts have identified the specific substance used, which will help identify the source, but authorities have refused to disclose the details.

    Both victims remain unconscious, in a critical but stable condition, while a British police officer who was also harmed by the substance is now able to talk to people although he remains in a serious condition, interior minister Amber Rudd said.

    “The use of a nerve agent on UK soil is a brazen and reckless act. This was attempted murder in the most cruel and public way,” Rudd told parliament in a statement.

    “But if we are to be rigorous in this investigation, we must avoid speculation and allow the police to carry on their investigation.”

    Despite her call, several lawmakers pointed the finger at Russia during their questions to Rudd, with some calling for investigations to be re-opened into the deaths of Russian exiles in Britain in recent years.

    Rudd rebuffed them, urging people to keep a cool head and saying the focus should remain on the Salisbury incident.

    “We will respond in a robust and appropriate manner once we ascertain who was responsible,” she said. “We are committed to do all we can to bring the perpetrators to justice, whoever they are and wherever they may be.”

    DOUBLE AGENT
    Skripal betrayed dozens of Russian agents to British intelligence before his arrest by Russian authorities in 2004. He was sentenced to 13 years in prison in 2006, and in 2010 was given refuge in Britain after being exchanged for Russian spies.

    The attack on him has been likened in Britain to the assassination of ex-KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko, a critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who died in London in 2006 after drinking green tea laced with radioactive polonium-210.

    A British public inquiry later said Litvinenko’s murder had probably been approved by Putin and carried out by two Russians, Dmitry Kovtun and Andrei Lugovoy, an ex-KGB bodyguard who later became a member of parliament.

    Both men denied any responsibility and Russia has refused to extradite them to stand trial.

    Rudd was pressed during a BBC radio interview earlier on whether Britain had been too soft on Russia following the Litvinenko murder, sending out a message that such acts could be carried out with impunity.

    She denied this and hinted that if Russia turned out to be implicated in the attack on Skripal, action would be taken against it.

    RELATED COVERAGE

    Complex and dangerous, nerve agents are rarely used for assassinations

    The poisoning of former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal

    UK will respond robustly to nerve agent attack on Russian ex-spy: minister


    “We are absolutely robust about any crimes committed on these streets in the UK. There is nothing soft about the UK’s response to any sort of state activity in this country,” she said.

    In Russia, some media took an almost jocular tone.

    “Do not chose England as your next country of residence, whether you are a professional traitor of your homeland, or you just hate your country in your free time,” said Kirill Kleimenov, news anchor on Russia’s state-run Channel One, as he introduced an item about the story on the evening news bulletin.

    “Something’s not right there, maybe it’s the climate, but in the past few years there have been a lot of strange occurrences there with a terrible outcome. People hang themselves, fall out of windows, are poisoned, or crash in helicopters in simply industrial quantities.”

    Additional reporting by Sarah Young, Alistair Smout and Michael Holden in London and Christian Lowe in Moscow; Editing by Andrew Heavens

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    Nerve agents are a painful way to die.
    Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts...

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    #Breaking Sergei Skripal and his daughter are still in a “very serious” condition following the “outrageous” nerve agent attack, Home Secretary Amber Rudd says
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    Interesting that the military is now being called in now and not earlier. I would speculate that the nerve agent has been identified as a very sophisticated and very dangerous compound most likely manufactured by a state sponsor. Also sealing off of Skirpal's wife and son's gravesite is interesting. Possible that the bodies are going to be exhumed?

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    Russian spy attack: police call in military to help investigate

    Investigation into attempted murders in Salisbury widens as police seal off graves of Sergei Skripal’s wife and son

    Jamie Grierson and Steven Morris
    Fri 9 Mar 2018 06.57 EST
    First published on Fri 9 Mar 2018 05.38 EST

    About 180 military personnel have been called upon by the police investigating the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, to remove evidence in Salisbury potentially contaminated by a deadly nerve agent.

    Skripal, a Russian former spy, and his 33-year-old daughter are comatose in hospital after being found on Sunday unconscious on a bench in the Maltings shopping centre.

    The investigation widened on Thursday as police sealed off the graves of Skripal’s wife, Liudmila, and son, Alexander, and said 21 people had been treated as a result of the incident.

    Among the injured were a detective sergeant, Nick Bailey, who remained in a serious but stable condition. Bailey was described by Wiltshire’s temporary chief constable, Kier Pritchard, as “a massively dedicated officer”. Pritchard said Bailey was “very anxious, very concerned” but sitting up in bed and talking.

    It is understood that personnel from the Royal Marines, the RAF and chemical teams are helping to remove the vehicles from the scene.

    “The Counter Terrorism Policing Network has requested assistance from the military to remove a number of vehicles and objects from the scene in Salisbury town centre as they have the necessary capability and expertise,” Scotland Yard said.

    “The public should not be alarmed and the public health advice remains the same. The military has the expertise and capability to respond to a range of contingencies. The Ministry of Defence regularly assists the emergency services and local authorities in the UK. Military assistance will continue as necessary during this investigation.”

    Visiting Salisbury on Friday morning, Rudd said: “It is still very serious for the two people subject to this outrageous attack. For the police officer, it is still serious but we understand he is conversing and engaging.”

    The NHS confirmed that Skripal and his daughter were in a critical but stable condition, while Bailey was conscious in a serious but stable condition.

    Rudd continued: “I understand people’s curiosity about all those questions, wanting to have answers, and there will be a time to have those answers. But the best way to get to them is to make sure we give the police the space they need to really go through the area carefully, to do their investigation and to make sure that they have all the support that they need in order to get that.”

    Rudd added: “At the moment our priority is going to be the incident, which is why I’m here in Salisbury today, making sure that everybody’s protected around the incident, making sure the emergency services have had the support that they need and will continue to get it.

    “In terms of further options, that will have to wait until we’re absolutely clear what the consequences could be and what the actual source of this nerve agent has been.”

    Rudd did not reveal any further details about the substance, how it was deployed or who used it.

    Ian Blair, who was Metropolitan police commissioner when the former spy Alexander Litvinenko was murdered in London by radiation poisoning, has suggested one line of inquiry is that Skripal may have been exposed to the nerve agent in his own home.

    “Clearly what they’re trying to find out at the moment is how was this delivered personally. There obviously are some indications. The officer – I’m very sorry he’s been injured – has actually been to the house, whereas there’s a doctor who looked after the patients in the open who hasn’t been affected at all. There may be some clues floating around in here,” Lord Blair said on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

    Blair said that if the nerve agent was rare, as Rudd has said, then it should be possible to identify where it came from. “If this is rarer than sarin and VX it’s basically possible to identify the laboratory in which it was made. They would be able to establish where it came from – the level of authority is another matter,” he said.

    The use of a nerve toxin is seen as a key indicator of possible Kremlin involvement, with such substances usually held only in state military stockpiles. On Thursday, the Russian embassy in London sent a sarcastic tweet, saying of Skripal: “He was actually a British spy, working for MI6.”

    Moscow has repeatedly denied it had anything to do with the attack, the same line used when Litvinenko was poisoned in 2006 with a radioactive cup of tea. A public inquiry a decade later concluded that the Kremlin had ordered the hit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...alisbury-visit
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    Hmm . . . another emergency "Cobra" meeting today.

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    Spy poisoning: Rudd calls Cobra meeting as military deployed in Salisbury

    Investigators are to attend emergency talks as the military moves in to help find out how Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned.

    10:34, UK,
    Saturday 10 March 2018

    By Rebecca Taylor and David Mercer, News Reporters

    Home Secretary Amber Rudd will chair an emergency meeting of the Government's Cobra committee on the crisis in Salisbury following the nerve agent attack on ex-Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

    Downing Street said investigators had been summoned to provide updates on the case at 3pm on Saturday.

    Around 180 troops, including Royal Marines, RAF personnel and chemical specialists, have been deployed in Salisbury to help police with their investigation, as attention moved to the burial site of Mr Skripal's wife and son.

    Scotland Yard requested specialist help to remove vehicles and objects from scenes across the city amid fears of contamination.

    A tent has been placed over the grave of Mr Skripal's wife

    Officers in hazmat suits were sent to Salisbury's London Road cemetery, where a tent was erected over the memorial to Mr Skripal's son Alexander, who was cremated last year.

    Officers also sealed off the gravestone of Mr Skripal's wife Liudmila, who was buried there in 2012.

    Police say their deaths are part of the investigation into the poisoning of Mr Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33, who were found slumped on a park bench in Salisbury on Sunday evening.

    They remain in a serious condition in hospital, along with Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey who was also exposed to the nerve agent.

    Sky News Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said police believe all three victims may have been contaminated at Mr Skripal's house in Salisbury and "ingested the poison some hours before they were taken ill".

    Mrs Rudd, who visited the city centre and hospital where DS Bailey is being treated, warned the Government was "committed to doing all we can to bring the perpetrators to justice - whoever they are and wherever they may be".

    Russia's foreign minister said the country would consider helping UK authorities investigate the poisoning after the Kremlin denied involvement.

    Sergei Lavrov seemed to resent suggestions that Moscow was behind the nerve agent attack on the Skripals, calling such claims "propaganda".

    Salisbury's MP John Glen has sought to reassure his constituents that a "whole range of tools are at our disposal" once it is established who was behind the poisoning.

    Mr Glen was responding to some locals who had demanded "decisive action" over the incident.

    The Economic Secretary to the Treasury said in a Facebook post: "Now is the time for cool heads and a rational examination of the facts.

    "Once these are established, then, and only then, will an appropriate and proportionate course of action be taken. A whole range of tools are at our disposal depending on who has perpetrated this act, including a number of financial and economic levers."

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    WTH?

    The wife has been buried there since 2012. What could they be concerned about now or is all of this just precautionary?

    Lot's of speculation that the authorities are preparing to exhume the wife's body.

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    Sky News' correspondent Martin Brunt says "very dynamic" activity is ongoing at the grave of Liudmila Skripal

    He describes responders in silver coloured suits, with hoods secured around gas masks, ambulance crews and a police forensics tent.

    "It's not immediately clear what's going on but there is a huge operation going on around the site of Liudmila Skripal's grave," Martin Brunt says.

    Scotland Yard say they have made no application to exhume a body, he says. Applying for permission to exhume is a complicated and unusual process.

    But with such an extensive investigation and potential concerns about public safety, there is a lot at stake.

    "I would have thought that if there was an application to exhume the body then normal red tape would be cut through," he says.

    https://news.sky.com/story/live-spy-...eyard-11283528
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    This story just keeps getting bigger and bigger (over here at least) and my guess is that they are going to exhume the wife's body to test it for poisons as well; I also suspect there is a lot going on behind the scenes; the TWO COBRA meetings, the military and admitting that at least 21 people were affected are all starting to look like this is very serious.

    What no one in the public knows, is how the UK will ultimately respond, if they actually come to some definitive conclusions.
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    Interesting.



    An ambulance loaded on to a truck is removed from the South Western Ambulance Service station in Harnham, near Salisbury. Soldiers have spent hours at the scene today, wrapping the vehicles in plastic...

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    Review: 'Man With the Poison Gun' offers a deadly dose of reality

    "The Man With the Poison Gun," by Serhii Plokhy, Basic, 365 pages, $28.99. (Hachette Book Group)
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    A COBRA meeting is a big deal.

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    Home Secretary to chair Cobra meeting in sign 'poisoning' of Russian spy Sergei Skripal is becoming security crisis

    Theresa May held a meeting of the National Security Council on the incident on Tuesday evening

    By Oliver Milne,
    20:24, 6 MAR 2018
    Updated20:46, 6 MAR 2018

    Home Secretary Amber Rudd will chair an emergency meeting of the government's crisis team Cobra, in a sign that the suspected poisoning of Russian spy Sergei Skripal is becoming a security crisis.

    The meeting, which will update ministers on the current state of the investigation will be held at 10:45am on Wednesday morning.

    It comes after Theresa May held a meeting of the National Security Council on the incident on Tuesday.

    Skripal, a Russian former MI6 spy, and his daughter are currently fighting for their lives after he collapsing on a bench in a shopping centre in Salisbury.

    The pair were found unconscious outside a Suprdrug, many sites across the town - including a chain of chain restaurant Zizzi's - were closed as police investigated.

    The 66-year-old was exchanged in a high-profile “spy swap” in 2010 and is in a critical condition after “suspected exposure to an unknown substance.

    His daughter Yulia, who was visiting her father from her Russian home, is also in a critical condition.

    The Prime Minister’s spokesman said: “At a meeting of the national security council this afternoon, the Prime Minister and senior ministers were updated on the ongoing investigation in Salisbury.”

    It came as it was announced that the Counter Terrorism Policing network is now leading the investigation.

    However it has not been declared a terrorist incident "at this stage", and officers are "keeping an open mind as to what happened".

    Head of Counter Terrorism Policing, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, said that while events in Salisbury were being taken "extremely seriously".

    Earlier, Boris Johnson described Russia as a "malign and destructive force" and said that if state involvement is proved his government will "take whatever measures we deem necessary to protect the lives of the people in this country, our values and our freedoms".

    The Foreign Secretary said: “Boris Johnson said "there is much speculation about the disturbing incident in Salisbury".

    He acknowledged the "echoes of the death of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006".

    Although he said it would be wrong to speculate on what has happened to Mr Skirpal, he said that if it was found that there was state involvement then the government would act "appropriately and robustly".

    He said: "Although I am not now pointing fingers, because we cannot point fingers, I say to governments around the world that no attempt to take innocent life on UK soil will go either unsanctioned or unpunished."

    The Russian Embassy in London has said the country is being "demonised" in news coverage of the incident and has contacted the Foreign Office to complain.

    A spokesperson said: “As of today, the police or other British authorities have not provided the Embassy with any official information regarding this incident.

    "The Foreign Office has not given any notifications either.

    “However, the media are swiftly launching a new phase of the anti-Russian campaign ongoing in the UK. Readers are offered various speculations which ultimately lead to a vilification of Russi

    “Although UK law enforcement agencies have not given any substantive comments on this incident, media reports create an impression of a planned operation by the Russian special services, which is completely untrue."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...eting-12139114
    Fallout from Trump's "drain-the-swamp" efforts?

    Has the distinct smell of yet more neocon finger-pointing and demonization.

    Mirror, indeed.

    Russia has its well-known history of international skullduggery and covert mayhem, to be sure - not letting anyone off of the hook, here.


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