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GUNS/RLTD Seattle Police Begin Gun Confiscations: No Laws Broken, No Warrant, No Charges
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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Deutschland uber alles...
    Ach du Lieber, Cheese und Crackers.

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    If you aren’t making the time to get fit, get to the range and get your head wrapped around taking care of yourself in the future-is-now American Serbia, you are not paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobbin View Post
    Um. What if you wear an empty holster - and it makes others "uncomfortable?"

    Do they take your holster away? Even for a short while?

    Or better yet - what if you wear a MAGA button - and you make a Liberal Head EXPLODE - do they get to take your button?

    Obvious collision of your right to express yourself, and their right to "comfort."

    2nd Amendment is no different than the 1st.

    Um. The steps to the Supreme Court are very "slow" - as in a gentle slope. When they ask me to plead the case before SCOTUS, I'll be fine going in - but coming out might be a challenge to me.

    Maybe I'll just stay there?

    Maybe I should for more reasons than the steps.

    Dobbin
    We'd hate to lose your input here, but it would be appropriate to have you "sign in" at the honorable court. If you remained, I'm sure you would have a noticeable influence.
    "Freedom is not something to be secured in any one moment of time. We must struggle to preserve it every day. And freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."
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    The Constitution was not written to establish your rights and freedom. It was written to establish and limit the powers of the government.



    Hear, HEAR !
    "How could it have come to this.. an army of rabble... [spit]PEASANTS[/spit]... everything WILL change -- everything HAS changed - England's "General Cornwallis" - from "The Patriot"

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    lov some of these responses ....

    everyone complains about the leftists being two-sided hypocrites - especially the anti-gun crowd ....

    the "system" totally ****s up and the TX church shooter can act out his weirdness - the punk azz Lackland shooter turns everything upside down ... but when they actually do something that makes half sense (even for Seattle) - it's all "gun grab" - "2A violation" - "no reason" - "he has rights" ... if this is normal behavior around your neighborhood - I wouldn't want your home value depreciation ....

    you don't get it both ways - if this guy was wandering around the neighborhood with a sword, a baseball bat or even a knife there wouldn't be a whimper made - ''good job" - "there must be something wrong with him" ... but he guns up and suddenly he's a "brother" that's being railroaded ...

    if you want to bitch about something - keep an eye out for someone like Obammy blanketly plunking down 300,000 senior citizens on a ban list ....
    Illini Warrior

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    Yes, but the government doesn't take your voice away to prevent someone from yelling 'FIRE!' in a theater. People are expected to use common sense and if they can't control themselves they are dealt with accordingly.
    ANd - to support your comment - they are taken care of AFTER the fact - and assuming no fire is found.

    You can't silence everyone going into a theater with a muzzle lest they NOT YELL FIRE once inside - and there is one.

    Besides, how can one say "excuse me" after you step on their toes while passing down the row wearing a muzzle?

    Voices don't make other humans uncomfortable - humans make other humans uncomfortable. So don't ban voices.

    Voice might come in handy and save your life - you just have to put up with a downside - like hearing something you might not wish to hear.

    (i.e. Guns don't make other humans uncomfortable - humans make other humans uncomfortable. So don't confiscate guns - They might come in handy and save your life.)

    Rather - deal with one human who perhaps delights in making others uncomfortable by carrying his arms? Just as he might bear his voice?

    Maybe "coach & council" him to bring his weapon/voice elsewhere - yunno - out of consideration for others?

    This might even be something one could deal with WITHOUT Government Force of Compulsion™ Yunno, by asking nice and making their discomfort known?

    I mean - talking works. I wish I could do it.

    Dobbin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    lov some of these responses ....

    everyone complains about the leftists being two-sided hypocrites - especially the anti-gun crowd ....

    the "system" totally ****s up and the TX church shooter can act out his weirdness - the punk azz Lackland shooter turns everything upside down ... but when they actually do something that makes half sense (even for Seattle) - it's all "gun grab" - "2A violation" - "no reason" - "he has rights" ... if this is normal behavior around your neighborhood - I wouldn't want your home value depreciation ....

    you don't get it both ways - if this guy was wandering around the neighborhood with a sword, a baseball bat or even a knife there wouldn't be a whimper made - ''good job" - "there must be something wrong with him" ... but he guns up and suddenly he's a "brother" that's being railroaded ...

    if you want to bitch about something - keep an eye out for someone like Obammy blanketly plunking down 300,000 senior citizens on a ban list ....
    All they had to do was put him in the 72 hour watch if they felt there was something wrong. These new laws don't help. They only piss people off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seer View Post
    Yes, but the government doesn't take your voice away to prevent someone from yelling 'FIRE!' in a theater. People are expected to use common sense and if they can't control themselves they are dealt with accordingly.



    If anyone expects bureaucrats, government hacks, dishonest politicians who confiscate guns and brag about how they are 'tough on crime' to get re-elected, and the gun grabbing left to protect their rights and work to clear those falsely accused or those who are no longer considered mentally disturbed is going to be in for a rude awakening. The left will most likely use the not competent reason as just a starting place for an ever expanding list of reasons that individuals who should be denied gun possession.

    Anyone that expects government to protect your Constitutional rights needs wake up and face reality.

    The Constitution was not written to establish your rights and freedom. It was written to establish and limit the powers of the government.

    The Tenth Amendment declares, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." In other words, states and people have all powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution. Federalism and court rulings have just about gutted the Tenth Amendment. As time goes on the federal government becomes more powerful and the states and people become less powerful.

    Government is like a fire. As long as you watch over and control the fire it can be a great benefit such a heating your home, cooking your food, etc. However, if you start a fire and fail to properly regulate and monitor it and allow it to self regulate it can burn your house down and kill you and your family. All the crap and scandals we're seeing in Washington today is because we allowed government to become self regulating over the last several decades and look where that has gotten us.
    Excellent post! I agree with your view point.
    “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” — Author Tom Clancy

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    Just saw this headline.........

    "Police Raid Heather Locklear's Home to Seize Gun After Alleged Threat to Shoot Deputies"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping Cobra View Post
    "Police Raid Heather Locklear's Home to Seize Gun After Alleged Threat to Shoot Deputies"
    They should have seized her voice?

    Better would have been a charge of Disorderly Conduct and Disrespect to an Officer.

    http://www.etonline.com/police-raid-...deputies-97848
    Detectives searched the 56-year-old actress' home in Thousand Oaks, California, starting around noon Tuesday but did not locate the firearm.
    Isn't she an avid boater?

    Dobbin
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    Handgun seized in Belltown under extreme risk protection order

    Handgun seized in Belltown under extreme risk protection order

    Originally published March 3, 2018 at 11:01 am Updated March 3, 2018 at 4:53 pm

    By Jonathan Martin
    Seattle Times assistant metro editor
    Seattle police this week pre-emptively seized a firearm from a person considered an extreme risk under a new law.

    On Thursday, police served an extreme risk protection order on a 31 year-old man in Belltown, requiring him to turn over all his firearms. The man had multiple incidents of harassment, including while armed, and had previously failed to comply with a judge’s order to surrender his guns as part of a criminal case, according to police. When he failed to appear for a court hearing, police got a warrant, confronted him outside his apartment and seized a .25 caliber handgun inside.


    “He was harassing and threatening some of his neighbors, and the behavior had been escalating,” said Seattle police Detective Patrick Michaud, a department spokesman.

    Extreme risk protection orders were created by Initiative 1491, which overwhelmingly approved by voters in 2016 and enacted last year. It authorized law enforcement, families and others to petition for removal of firearms from a person deemed a danger to themselves or others. The so-called “red flag” laws – also place in California, Oregon, Indiana and Connecticut – are now being considered in 24 other states following the mass shooting at Parkland, Fla., high school, according to The Wall Street Journal.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...tection-order/

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    On Thursday, police served an extreme risk protection order on a 31 year-old man in Belltown, requiring him to turn over all his firearms. The man had multiple incidents of harassment, including while armed, and had previously failed to comply with a judge’s order to surrender his guns as part of a criminal case, according to police. When he failed to appear for a court hearing, police got a warrant, confronted him outside his apartment and seized a .25 caliber handgun inside.
    bold: That explains the situation.

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    Even if they take away their guns.......

    People will still murder by other means. A knife, driving over people even using their bare hands.

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    There is no self-regulation in gummitups anymore...........all rules are for the PEONS...........and govt. orgs/officials are somehow exempt.......guess they write it in "fine print" or something...very few retract stupidity.......and only those who cross the wrong people are put away for any length of time....or whacked into silence IMO...........as I said elsewhere IMO JADE HELM IS GREENLIGHTED
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