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GOV/MIL White House Proposes Replacing Food Stamp With Pre Packaged Meals Called "America's Harvest Box"
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    2 White House Proposes Replacing Food Stamp With Pre Packaged Meals Called "America's Harvest Box"

    This is all I've seen on this so far but I think it's a GREAT idea!! FOOD instead of Food Stamps! So do hundreds of others. (Read comments on Twitter) https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...15638840025088

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    BREAKING: White House Proposes Replacing Food Stamp Program With Pre Packaged Meals Called "America's Harvest Box" - NBC
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    If this goes through, you will see food tossed in the trash like the lunches at school. Think of the logistics in moving all those meals around. Bad idea, imo. No one is going to eat government food like this.
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    i think this could be good. on paper, it sounds great. it is the practice i am leery of. it depends on many factors. only ONE of those factors is deciding which foods are healthy and which are not. that is just one of the factors.

    i guess we will have to wait and see how it shakes out. there is much good that could come from it. especially if it cuts down on fraud.
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    Wen da niggas not bez able to buy dere lobstas or sell da EBT cards fo crack, den you bez seein da riots, nah....

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy_wave View Post
    If this goes through, you will see food tossed in the trash like the lunches at school. Think of the logistics in moving all those meals around. Bad idea, imo. No one is going to eat government food like this.
    You’re probably right about logistics being a pain, but if this is the food they are given, and no money in any form, they will either eat it or maybe sell it for cash (but probably not, they will be hungry)
    End of the day, probably won’t work, unless you put all those people to work making the meals
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    Quote Originally Posted by energy_wave View Post
    If this goes through, you will see food tossed in the trash like the lunches at school. Think of the logistics in moving all those meals around. Bad idea, imo. No one is going to eat government food like this.
    Agree, no one would eat it. Given obesity rates among the welfare class...that might actually be a good thing.
    I'm all for getting rid of food stamps, but I don't see that it ought to be replaced with anything.

    "America's Harvest Box" Really??
    I HATE faux olde-timey-country-cutsie.
    Please spare us.
    The items will be least cost sourced from China. Actually, food stamps are a huge revenue source for junk food mfr.'s, corner package stores, and grocery stores; I have a hard time seeing how this would even happen.

    ETA: I love how after the WIC card gets scanned in, Momma pulls out a wad of ones, and sends the cashier off for a carton of cigs.

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    Didn't we already do that with the "government cheese" approach?

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    Every grocery store would have to be in on it. Customer walks in with card and Id and gets handed a box of food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    Didn't we already do that with the "government cheese" approach?
    Yeah, but at least the "government cheese" my grandmother got 30 years ago was pretty good.

    I'm not sure of the answer, but I think something has to change in the way food is dispersed by the government. Right now it's nothing but a racket for many of the recipients. I've seen EBT cards used at the grocery to pay for better food than I can afford. Maybe a boxed meal would get some of recipients to think about working for their food, but probably not...

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    Never happen. Too many business' invested and expecting those EBT card sales. Think of how many business doors have 'EBT accepted' or EBT logo right next to all the credit card logos they take.

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    ...Or... make it work more like WIC does with only specific foods qualifying for purchase. It's interesting that they are looking at things but I hope they don't get spread too thin.

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    Ridiculous idea IMO.
    Disabled people, elderly and people like us who have fallen on hard times get EBT food, not just white/black trash.
    We've all seen EBT cards misused... it's maddening. "America's Harvest Basket" is not a solution.
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    I think I'd be happy to see commodities again, but like it or not, some portion of our economy is fueled by the money created by the food stamp program. All our emotional responses are understandable, well and good, but, what are the real numbers, and the real consequences of any program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AppleJacks View Post
    ...Or... make it work more like WIC does with only specific foods qualifying for purchase. It's interesting that they are looking at things but I hope they don't get spread too thin.


    It will just make Trump look MORE elitest, while at the same time reminding everyone of the Mooch's crappy lunch program.
    This is a looser for him.
    This country has way bigger problems to solve right now, anyway.
    Welfare programs are a problem of demographics and a misunderstanding of the proper role of government, NOT a problem of food distribution.
    Solve problems at their source, and we might be able to fix some things.

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    Bad idea. Jward is right about the cards acting as a type of currency, and shutting down currency would be a disaster.

    Those of us allergic to wheat and dairy would be bloated and sick or starving. This wasn't a problem in the old days (I think) because the wheat hadn't been altered until the 1960's to the type with the very long and indigestible gluten, and dairy wasn't homogenized and ultrapasteurized. So far fewer people got sick.

    Just screams dictatorship, ruling what you eat. There are already rules for the foodstamps. If they need to be strengthened, and more ingestibles eliminated, then OK.

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    Sounds like a good idea. A 21st century version of the CARE package from the post WW2 era. Logistically it could be handled through the USDA-they put out daily bid solicitations for various foods for the US school lunch program now. Plus the cost savings would be huge over the current food stamp program.

    Today people pay companies to send ingredients to them so they can fix meals-this could be done as a very similar thing. Or, to go further than that-send a healthy version of the MRE to food stamp recipients. MRE's as they are aren't perfect-they have too many carbs and fat (for soldiers on the move). A healthier version say, the HDR (Humanitarian Daily Ration)) with meat in it (the HDR as its made now is more vegetarian based). People who need it are guaranteed healthy nutrition and there is no waste.

    The MRE idea may sound a bit extreme, but reducing food waste alone would make this program worthwhile. We in the US live in a garden of Eden, food wise. There has never been such a bounty of food in any place in the history of the world. Yet so many idiots waste food-personal pet peeve. And I say personal, because I'm the youngest of 9 and I remember food stamps being the difference between eating and going to school with a growling stomach.

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    The best part of this idea is to enable the country to share food without borrowing more federal reserve notes to do so. A great concept. Making it work is likely to be difficult at best, but not impossible.

    Would like to see a small pilot program implemented and see how it works and gets tweaked.

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    The headline, at least, is fake news.

    Trump’s budget proposal includes an overhaul of the food-stamp program. The White House budget proposal contains a new plan for reforming food stamps that would replace the current debit card-based system with one that directly provides American-grown foods to households.

    It would radically remark the current program, which serves nearly 42 million people through what’s called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. While the White House budget as a whole has no chance of being adopted, the Trump administration has said that welfare reform will be something it plans to push this year through a Republican-held Congress.

    The White House says the changes could save $214 billion over a decade.

    “The Budget proposes to combine the traditional retail-based SNAP electronic benefit with the direct provision of nutritious and 100 percent American-grown USDA Foods to participating households. This cost-effective proposal maintains our commitment to helping needy families avoid hunger while generating substantial savings,” the budget said.

    Households receiving $90 per month or more would get a portion in shelf-stable milk, ready to eat cereals, pasta, peanut butter, beans and canned fruit, vegetables, and meat, poultry or fish. The remainder of the benefit would go onto the debit card for use at approved grocery stores.

    The average monthly benefit per person was $125.79 last year. To be eligible for food stamps, the maximum gross monthly income is 130% of the federal poverty level, which for a single-person household is $12,140 and $16,460 for a household of two.

    The White House adds that it wants to strengthen “the expectation for work among able-bodied adults and preserving the benefits for those most in need.”

    The White House also aims to cap the federal match of administrative costs to states at the average costs per case, mandates the use of a real-time database to prevent duplicative participation across state lines, eliminates state performance bonuses and nutrition education grants and eliminates the minimum benefit for those who would otherwise qualify for less.

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    Trump would have the exact same problem Michelle Obama had with her school lunch farce. The idea behind food stamps is they are in effect food vouchers that lets you buy what you want to eat. I think some reform, banning the purchase of junk food and soft drinks would be a great thing. The "food harvest boxes," would be outsourced to the lowest bidder. The result would be crap food.

    Further, the politics of this are all wrong. Trump will not only get the Obama impact, he will be seen as trying to screw poor people over. Finally, the logistics of this are staggering. You would either have to deliver the boxes daily, which would be a total cluster#%%%, or you would give them one week's supply, or you dump it on the grocery stores and impose a massive, labor intensive liability on them. How would you deal with food allergies? How would you deal with a whole host of issues that are solved by letting people buy what they can safely eat?

    This is a horrible idea and the Democrats will crush Trump with it. In fact, it may be the trigger event that allows the Democrats to retake both the house and senate.

    I don't know who suggested this idiotic idea to Trump, but he should be fired immediately. Trump has come out with several moronic ideas now. He really needs somebody to tell him the truth because the political aspects are clearly not being understood at the upper levels of his administration. If Trump keeps shooting himself in the foot like this, he will eventually have to cut it off.
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    Sounds like a great idea until you see what is proposed to be in the "Harvest Box"

    No fresh fruit or veg, no fresh meats, the list I saw was things like peanut butter, pasta (white I'm sure), processed cereal (lovely just carbs and HFCS) etc.

    My hunch is this is a "bone" being thrown to the big processed food companies to replace all the revenue they are going to lose from people not being able to use their cards for soft drinks, potato chips, cookies etc.

    Anyone who knows me knows I have suggested changes to the program since I was on it in the 80's to make it MORE HEALTHY; which should be dead easy with an electronic card - there is simply a list of what the card will and won't pay for.

    People still have a lot of choices, but it is what sort of REAL food to buy (vegetables, fruits, meats, basics like flour/sugar/salt/yeast etc) no cokes, processed cookies, etc..

    Now if the Ration Box (because that is what it would be, lets get real here) contained:

    1. real fruit and veg (can be supermarket rejects as long as they are healthy)

    2. real cereals like oats, whole wheat flour, brown and white rice, low sugar granola

    3. real butter, olive oils, cheeses etc

    4. A limited amount of mildly processed things like the old fashioned canned pork, beans, tomatoes, corn etc

    Then I would be just fine with this - I have friends on SSD and who are elderly who are on this program who are absolutely terrified of these changes because their diets don't allow them to eat this junk, and they are on the program because they are already ill or way past retirement age.

    I can't think of a better way to make people sicker than they already are then to "supply" them with Captin Crunch, Peanut butter (commercial and full of sugar/HFCS), white pasta and other cheap and processed junk.

    Except maybe to continue letting people just choose their own junk, neither is cost-effective in the long run and at least the current system lets people who have a BRAIN or who are careful to buy real food (I did).

    I also seem it would be much easier and most cost-effective simply to have a list of what is allowed (like the WIC program) stores or manufacturers could even have bar codes on it and only that stuff would be counted on the card.

    NO boxes to deliver, no worries about unwanted carbs in the bin; but watch the soft drink and chip manufacturers scream when their sales collapse; although people could still buy potatoes and make their own french fries from scratch (I did).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jward View Post
    I think I'd be happy to see commodities again, but like it or not, some portion of our economy is fueled by the money created by the food stamp program. All our emotional responses are understandable, well and good, but, what are the real numbers, and the real consequences of any program?
    Someone figured out some years ago that life could be sustained almost indefinitely, relying upon just three foods. Those foods were powdered milk, some kind of bean, and I forget the third one (something green, I suspect). Their proposal was to allow anyone to go into any grocery store, and be able to walk out with a bunch of those for free, no questions asked. The rationale was that this would be a LOT cheaper than the current multiheaded welfare system for food assistance. I thought it had merit, especially given that the required cooking would be a minimal IQ test for survival. Too stupid to cook a pot of beans, FU, starve and don't pass on your crummy genes and further soil our beloved country, that sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by energy_wave View Post
    No one is going to eat government food like this.

    Then they're not really that hungry or needy are they? Excellent idea if they can work out the details. Back in the day this is exactly what they did to help out people that needed public assistance and widows, ect.

    My father died in 1968 when I was 6 years old and my mother was 46 and had to go back to work. She got a couple of bucks a month in survivors benefits from Social Security and she was able to go to the local USDA warehouse for staples such as cheese, milk, some meats and other surplus foods.

    It was a synergistic relationship as it gave assistance to those in need, provided a hand up instead of a handout and also assisted the farmers and growers by helping to provide purchasers for surplus goods.

    Thing is though people would have to learn to use cookbooks again and learn how to work with staples once again. People on public assistance shouldn't be able to eat better then working men and women. I know that isn't always the case but I've seen people with the SNAP cards load up on expensive cuts of meat and everything else that I only purchase rarely as a treat.

    People that are really hungry and needy would be damn glad for the food at least they were many years ago. And yeah, I know there are special dietary needs and different food requirements for families with small children or the elderly, ect. It isn't insurmountable and we would probably save money over those who suddenly decided that perhaps they didn't need the assistance as much as they thought they did. And the other benefit is if they learned how to cook from staples they would be healthier in the long run.
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    Trump wants to replace food stamps with 'Blue Apron-type program'

    by Dartunorro Clark

    The Trump administration is thinking inside the box.

    President Donald Trump wants to drastically scale back food stamps and replace them with a "food box" delivery program — like Blue Apron.

    Mick Mulvaney, director of the Office of Management and Budget, told reporters on Monday about the plan by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to redesign the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP) as "America's Harvest Box." Under the plan, more than 16 million households would have half of their benefits go toward the food box delivery program.




    When Food Stamps Aren't Enough

    "What we do is propose that, for folks who are on food stamps — part, not all — part of their benefits come in the actual sort of — and I don't want to steal somebody's copyright — but a Blue Apron-type program where you actually receive the food instead of receive the cash," Mulvaney said.

    Blue Apron is a company that sells weekly meal service kits that come with ingredients and recipes that are then cooked at home by the customer. Three meals a week for a family of four comes to about $140 in the New York area. Among the offerings are beef medallions and scallion salsa verde and salmon and dukkah-spiced vegetables, according to Blue Apron's website. (Blue Apron declined to comment.)

    Chicago-based Top Box Foods also runs a similar program — but rather than meal kits, it delivers pre-selected boxes of healthy, affordable groceries. The company was founded by Chris Kennedy, the son of Ethel and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, in 2012, and accepts SNAP benefits to pay for the boxes, according to its website.

    Under the government's current program, food stamp recipients use a payment card, similar to a debit card, to buy food, and the USDA has strict rules about what can be bought with the benefits. Alcohol, household items and pet food, among other items, cannot be purchased.

    The Trump administration proposal could shake up the country's largest program designed to battle domestic hunger issues. The proposed budget, released Monday, would gut SNAP benefits by $17.2 billion in 2019, about 22 percent of the program's total cost last year. USDA claims the new plan would save $129.2 billion over 10 years.

    Sonny Perdue, the agriculture secretary, called the new proposal a "bold, innovative approach," noting that the food placed in the box would be grown by American farmers and producers.

    "It maintains the same level of food value as SNAP participants currently receive, provides states flexibility in administering the program, and is responsible to the taxpayers," he said in a statement on Tuesday.

    Mulvaney also said it would cut costs.

    "It lowers the cost to us because we can buy prices at wholesale, whereas they have to buy it at retail," Mulvaney said. "It also makes sure that they're getting nutritious food. So we're pretty excited about that. That's a tremendous cost savings."

    Democratic lawmakers excoriated the proposal on Tuesday.

    Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., called the idea "outrageous" and "a cruel joke."

    "This sounds like something from the Great Depression, not 2018," he tweeted, saying it could hurt small businesses and burden those who live in rural areas.

    Rep. Alma Adams, D-N.C., called it "expensive & unrealistic" in a tweet, while Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., who said she raised her children on food stamps, called the idea "offensive."

    "As a single mother who relied on food stamps to help feed my boys, I can’t overstate how offensive this proposal is," she tweeted. "Low-income families need more access to fresh produce & healthy foods, not less."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...rogram-n847586

    I think it's a great idea. I will no longer get angry when I see the welfare people with cakes, Cheestyos, soft drinks, candy bars, potato chips, cocoapuffs in their baskets. Crap that I don't even buy because (1) It's not healthy food, (2) I think this crap is too expensive.

    "As a single mother who relied on food stamps to help feed my boys, I can’t overstate how offensive this proposal is," she tweeted. "Low-income families need more access to fresh produce & healthy foods, not less."
    I find it offensive that since you bred them and can't feed them, you put your "boys" onto other people to bear your burden. Take the money away from buying crap and you will have enough to purchase produce. I was in the aisle with two women with WIC coupons. They couldn't decide whether to buy peanut butter or dried beans. They decided on the peanut butters because the beans they would have to cook.

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    Yes, make it like WIC so people have to get REAL food with their card - a list of certain items only - and then maybe learn to cook instead of eating pizza, tater tots and toaster waffles.

    I remember the commodities my grandparents used to get. Good cheese, peanut butter, flour, sugar, cornmeal, canned meat, butter, real lard (for Grandma's PIES!),powdered milk, canned vegetables, beans, rice...it was all good food. If they did it like WIC, so people went to the grocery store to fill their allotment, nothing to say they couldn't get fresh fruit, vegetables, eggs and meat too.

    Waiting to see more on this. Could common sense possibly be back in fashion in D.C.?

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    I think it could work. Back in the day, Mississippi distributed WIC foods this way. Not sure if they still do it this way. I knew a girl who got WIC there and took her to pick up a few times. They had shelves with products displayed showing your choices in each category. For example, they had grits, oatmeal and several dry cereals that you could choose from. You made your selections, somebody in the back filled the order and your box/boxes were brought out to you. It was all very quick and easy. 15 to 20 minutes tops.

    EBT recipients would still have choices in this way plus, it would only be half of the amount of what is on the card. If they want chips and soda, they can still get it. It would however cut down on them selling their card for cash.

    I don't understand how this is a bad idea for the disabled and elderly. They are the ones least likely to abuse the program to begin with. In my experience, elderly and disabled were the ones buying hamburger and hot dogs while it was the welfare Queens getting lobster and steak.

    I don't see how they could argue that it is shaming. According to the numbers, about half of the population is using food stamps already, so it would be about the same as going to the grocery store.

    I think it would save we the tax payer money and I'm all for that.

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    Calling it the "America's Harvest Box" is pure propaganda for both sides of the aisle. The lefties have the crunchy granola title and right for the implied American Farmer sourced food.

    My kids thought Lunchables and juice boxes with 10% real juice boxes were the best. I thought they were crap but got them every so often for a special treat or instant portable kid food. Why this could not be scaled up with more nutritious foods for kids and adults I don't know. If they want something else they can get a job and buy it or grow it them selves.

    Considering the crap I saw served and dumped in the trash with Micheal Obama's infamous school lunch program, it's not to hard to imagine the potentials for fraud and waste.
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    Melodi's post matches my own thoughts about this suggestion perfectly. Where's the like button when you need one???

    Especially this -- "I also seem it would be much easier and most cost-effective simply to have a list of what is allowed (like the WIC program) stores or manufacturers could even have bar codes on it and only that stuff would be counted on the card." THIS would be the smart solution - so where's the benefit to doing it the way the WH is proposing???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Wen da niggas not bez able to buy dere lobstas or sell da EBT cards fo crack, den you bez seein da riots, nah....
    ^^^^THIS^^^^

    How many here on this thread, have ever spent much time in a ghetto?

    Any change to the EBT system, would be the start of Civil War II.

    The problem was starting the EBT system in the first place.

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    My food pantry is a "shop" ministry , not a "box" ministry.

    Went to a neighborhood church which was using a "Nationwide box-style" pantry ministry....

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    It is a bad idea for the elderly and disabled if the stuff in the box is what was in the first article I read suggested would be in the box:

    aka lots of processed carbs like processed breakfast cereals (not just good old fashioned oats or even cream of wheat), NO fresh fruits or veg, pasta, commercial peanut butter etc.

    If the boxes were real food, that would be another story and I remember food stamps/program in Mississippi very well (and in California because my Mom worked with families in our church during the days of commodities).

    Back then, the stuff was "processed cheese food" (it might taste good but it wasn't cheese) lard, flour, dried beans, fatty canned pork, cornmeal, sometimes non-fat dried milk, sometimes white bread and the occasional canned vegetable (very occasional).

    The family my Mother worked with had a two-year-old and there was almost nothing nutritious to feed a young child or a cancer patient (the family had both); so my Mom traded real foods like oatmeal, orange juice, fresh apples, some on-sale fresh meat etc in exchange for the cornmeal, fatty pork and dry milk.

    While my Mom did teach me to cook with some of the stuff so I would know how, since most of the stuff was just high simple carbs or highly fat canned meat, most of it went either to our chickens or our cats (we used most of the milk though).

    A-OK diet for healthy adults you are just trying to keep alive, but a really bad idea if you want healthy children and/or for feeding frail elderly or disabled people who often have fairly restricted diets and are often not even allowed to eat beans (or peanut butter) with certain medical conditions; white pasta is a great filler for hungry teenagers or adults doing hard work but again it has very little nutritional value.

    I am just saying it would be a mistake to replace one costly program that many people are allowed to abuse because the rules allow them to do so (rules which could easily be changed) with one that is quite possibly even worse, and maybe a nightmare to implement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nowski View Post
    ^^^^THIS^^^^

    How many here on this thread, have ever spent much time in a ghetto?

    Any change to the EBT system, would be the start of Civil War II.

    The problem was starting the EBT system in the first place.

    Please be safe everyone.

    Regards to all deplorables.

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    Correct............we have examples of what would happen if instead of EBT cards we used meals.........

    Do you remember Katrina when all those Africans were in the Superdome?

    Well they had some catering done to feed them and when they saw the food they all bitched and moaned that it wasn't Micky D's and grape drank..........

    Feeding Blacks nutritious food is like trying to feed retards..........the want what they crave not what the need.

    "The Black man goes after what he wants..........then ends up begging for what he needs" - Booker T. Washington.

    There will never be successful race relations in the US..........we had our warning........do you remember the vast divide in how Blacks and Whites universally reacted to the OJ verdict?

    There's your sign..........of course that's not directed to Nowski as we are on the same page........... but just a general comment directed to all White America especially the liberals....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    Didn't we already do that with the "government cheese" approach?
    Back in the early 1980's during President Reagan.

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    Don't eat "Government Food".

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    Yes, make it like WIC so people have to get REAL food with their card - a list of certain items only - and then maybe learn to cook instead of eating pizza, tater tots and toaster waffles.

    I remember the commodities my grandparents used to get. Good cheese, peanut butter, flour, sugar, cornmeal, canned meat, butter, real lard (for Grandma's PIES!),powdered milk, canned vegetables, beans, rice...it was all good food. If they did it like WIC, so people went to the grocery store to fill their allotment, nothing to say they couldn't get fresh fruit, vegetables, eggs and meat too.

    Waiting to see more on this. Could common sense possibly be back in fashion in D.C.?
    This

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    Here's the WIC list for Minnesota:
    http://www.womeninfantschildrenoffic...food-list-wf23

    And here's the list of WIC links for the other states.
    http://www.womeninfantschildrenoffice.com/wic-food-list

    Looks workable and a whole lot healthier - for EVERYBODY.

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    Well, what I hear from people who volunteer at food banks is that their clients don't cook. Microwave is the extent of their skills. So in theory - I like the idea, there's just a ton o' problems I can see. Many people in this socio-economic class are diabetic for instance. Carbs are no-go. Or extremely low amounts. Then, there are the older folks taking a blood thinner who can't eat Vit K foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping Cobra View Post
    Back in the early 1980's during President Reagan.
    Only it wasn't really cheese - it came in a cardboard box and it said right on it "processed cheese food" (because legally they couldn't call it cheese) what it really was pretty much was Velveta, it didn't taste bad and you could use the extremely fatty pork to make a half-way decent pasta sauce as long as you put it in the fridge to scrape the fat off first and then reheated it.

    You waited in line for the cheese at "the center" and once in awhile, they would have other "treats" for you like non-fat dried milk etc.

    The upside was this was all food left over from "government storage" which back then was considered a national security issue; the "surplus" food ended when this idea was dropped somewhere around Bush One; and food storage in case of nuclear war or famine went out of "style."
    expatriate Californian living in rural Ireland with husband, dogs, horses. garden and many, many cats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahra View Post
    Melodi's post matches my own thoughts about this suggestion perfectly. Where's the like button when you need one???

    Especially this -- "I also seem it would be much easier and most cost-effective simply to have a list of what is allowed (like the WIC program) stores or manufacturers could even have bar codes on it and only that stuff would be counted on the card." THIS would be the smart solution - so where's the benefit to doing it the way the WH is proposing???
    Yeah, logistically that does make more sense. Heck, you'd probably get the same projected savings with better auditing of the card system, though that would get portrayed as being mean anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    Well, what I hear from people who volunteer at food banks is that their clients don't cook. Microwave is the extent of their skills. So in theory - I like the idea, there's just a ton o' problems I can see. Many people in this socio-economic class are diabetic for instance. Carbs are no-go. Or extremely low amounts. Then, there are the older folks taking a blood thinner who can't eat Vit K foods.
    The other issue is that while cooking classes like they had back in the early 1900's Settlement Houses or even the 1960's "extensions" at local colleges could help with the cooking issue; many very poor people (including some elderly and disabled) do NOT HAVE A KITCHEN.

    Anyone living in "emergency" hotels/motels/hostels etc is probably in this situation and they should be the ONLY people allowed to by commercial fast food on their EBT cards (and then only as long as they don't have a place to cook).

    Increasingly low-rent "apartments" only have a microwave, which also limits the cooking abilities.

    But the real issues is there are two generations in the US and at least one full generation in the UK/Ireland that never really learned to cook and that is as true of many Yuppies as it is folks in "da hood."

    Individuals vary of course but in general, the number of young men and women I've helped learn to scramble an egg and then move on to simple custard; lets me KNOW part of the problem is cooking skills.
    expatriate Californian living in rural Ireland with husband, dogs, horses. garden and many, many cats

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