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    SYRIAN ARMY FIRES ON ADVANCING TURKISH MILITARY COLUMNS

    Well, this is going to light things up in the Middle East quite nicely. I was wondering how far Erdogan the raving Ottoman Lunatic was going to push into Syria. I was also wondering when Assad junior was going to stop the advancing Turkish military now invading his country. It would look like more a shot over the bow situation, with only two shells fire, but the meaning is clear. Aleppo is quite a ways from the Syrian Turkish border for starters

    This is today, the 30th, and is from a Lebanese news source.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article

    Syrian Army artillery fires at approaching Turkish military convoy in southwest Aleppo
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    BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:49 A.M.) – On the night of Sunday to Monday, artillery forces of the Syrian Arab Army fired what appears to have been warning shots just ahead of the approach path of a Turkish convoy inbound to a key area in the southwestern countryside of Aleppo province.

    A large Turkish Army military convoy consisting of armored vehicles has had a Syrian Army artillery barrage fired just ahead of its advance route in southwest Aleppo province as it was en-route to the strategic area of Tal Al-Eis on Sunday night.

    The Syrian Army artillery strikes landed in and around the town of Qammari just before Turkish forces were due to pass through it.

    Some sources report that the artillery shelling was the result of a miscommunication between Damascus and Ankara over the agreed time for the allowed deployment of Turkish forces around Tal Al-Eis, saying that the Syrian Army had mistaken the military convoy as belonging to Al-Qaeda affiliate group Ha’yat Tahrir al-Sham (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra).

    However, this version of events remains hard to believe due to the fact that if the Syrian Army genuinely mistook the Turkish convoy for a militant one, they would have shelled it directly without any warning or intention of missing.
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    Here is a twitter link that has more info. It would appear the Turkish military is not pleased at Syria firing on its forces and has/is responding with airstrikes and artillery salvos.

    https://twitter.com/daily_news_wire?lang=en

    here is a link to a map that shows where all this is happening. Turkey is apparently trying to take over all of Northern, Eastern, and a good sized chunk of central Syria. Afrin is to the west, Aleppo is to the south, and the joint Kurdish/American base at Manaji is to the east. What Turkey is trying to do is seize all of Northern Syria from the western border with Turkey to the Euphatres River border with Iraq. This is several hundred miles wide, and deep into Syrian territory. Turkey backed forces also border Israel, are around Homs and Aleppo. this has the potential to really explode when Erdogan tries to capture Aleppo and Homs and expand Turkish borders with Syria hundreds of miles south of the current one.

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    Putin is a wily and devious political leader who sees this as his opportunity to destroy NATO once and for all. Putin is enraged NATO has now moved east to directly place military forces on his border.

    Now, the USA is totally screwed by Erdogan's military invasion, especially if/when he attacks Manaji with its embedded US troops. If Trump defends the Kurds, and the Americans fight the Turrks when they attack Manaji, the NATO alliance will shatter completely, the US will lose all access to Turkish military bases, and the US will be kicked out of Turkey completely. Now, if Trump abandons the Kurds, pulls out the Americans, and lets the Turks seize most of northern Syria, butcher our allies, the US will never be taken seriously on the world stage for decades into the future. It will be like when Chamberlain sold out Czechoslovokia to Hitler, and both the Belgians and the Dutch left the alliance with Britain.

    Yep, Putin protected Assad long enough to get rid of ISIS, and then he encouraged Erdogan to attack Syria, destroy the American backed Kurds, shatter NATO and gain control of the Black Sea.

    Yep, Putin has outplayed both Trump and obama. Once Putin has gotten all of that, he will tell Erdogan to go back to Turkey, restore Assad's control of Syria, and then laugh at the US as all of Europe, in order to get gas supplies, comes crawling on their knees to Russia and Putin. Game over.
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    Putin did draw a line in the sand with Syria and it would seem he has outplayed the U.S. but only time will tell.

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    Russia and turkey are Traditional enemies, regardless of current accommodations. If Putin is playing anyone, it is Erdogan...
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    Turkey is a rouge country and Nato will not disown them as they as all part of the plot.

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    Considering Erdogan's "facilitation" of the "refugee" crisis along with other "activities" Turkey has been part of NATO in name only for quite a while. Formally "leaving" will only reflect the reality of the current situation.

    The bigger "threat" to NATO is the internal political situation where the political leadership within the western/older part of the alliance is in complete denial of the internal threat they invited within themselves. Erdogan matching his internal political rhetoric with action on such a sweeping scale that can't be dismissed will help cement that.

    I only hope they got the B61s out of the place and US/NATO personnel and equipment are allowed to withdraw from the place as this goes further down the commode....

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    For links see article source.....
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    http://www.france24.com/en/20180130-...fighters-syria

    30 January 2018 - 13H14

    Turkish air strikes pound Kurdish fighters in Syria

    AFRIN (SYRIA) (AFP) -

    Turkish air strikes pounded the Syrian border region of Afrin and fighting raged on two fronts as Ankara pursued its offensive against the Kurdish enclave on Tuesday.

    A monitoring group and Kurdish sources said Turkey's air force had stepped up its raids on the 10th day of operation "Olive Branch", which sees Turkey providing air and ground support to Syrian opposition fighters in an offensive against Kurdish militia in northwestern Syria.

    Ankara has pushed forward with the operation to force the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) from the region despite international concerns and reports of rising civilian casualties.

    In reaction to the offensive, the Kurds were not attending peace talks Tuesday aimed at resolving Syria's almost seven-year civil war being held in the Russian city of Sochi.

    Turkish jets were hitting Kurdish positions in the towns of Rajo and Jandairis, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group.

    Syrian rebels backed by Turkey "were engaged in fierce battles against Kurdish forces" in the two towns, said Rami Abdel Rahman, the head of the Britain-based Observatory, which uses a network of sources to monitor Syria's war.

    "Turkey's aerial campaign against Afrin has escalated since Monday," he added.

    A spokesman for the YPG, which Ankara considers a "terror" group, said the strikes had been relentless.

    "Since yesterday, the bombardment by Turkish aircraft has not stopped in some areas," the spokesman, Brusk Hasakeh, said.

    It was unclear how many civilians remained in Rajo and Jandairis as many had already fled to Afrin town, the capital of the district.

    - Hundreds at mass funeral -
    An AFP journalist on Tuesday heard consecutive strikes hitting areas surrounding Afrin town.

    On Monday hundreds of people attended a mass funeral in Afrin for civilians and fighters killed in the offensive, weeping and carrying coffins draped in Kurdish flags.

    The Observatory says at least 67 civilians have been killed since the start of the operation on January 20. Turkey strongly rejects such claims, saying it is doing everything possible to avoid civilian casualties in the operation.

    At least 85 YPG militiamen have died, the Observatory says, as have 81 fighters from the rebel groups fighting with Turkish backing.

    Turkey says seven of its soldiers have been killed.

    Turkish state-run news agency Anadolu reported on Tuesday that two villages in the Afrin region had been "cleared" of the YPG.

    Turkey and allied forces have made gains in the offensive and on Sunday seized control of Mount Barsaya, a strategically important high point near the town of Afrin.

    A Turkish military convoy of dozens of vehicles crossed the border overnight, the Observatory said. It initially headed towards an area south of Afrin but was forced to change course after coming under fire from forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

    Turkish relations with the United States have soured over Ankara's stance on the YPG -- which Ankara says is a "terrorist" offshoot of Turkey's outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

    - Sochi talks delayed -
    The YPG has received support from the United States, with its fighters spearheading the battle against the Islamic State group across swathes of Syria.

    Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened to expand the offensive against the YPG to other Kurdish areas including Manbij, east of Afrin.

    Speaking at a meeting of lawmakers from his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), Erdogan said Tuesday: "We will not stop until we eliminate the terror threat from our border."

    Turkish authorities have cracked down on criticism of the operation and on Tuesday detained all the top members of the country's main medical association, including its chief.

    The arrests came after the Turkish Medical Association (TTB) issued a statement saying that "war is a man-made public health problem".

    The talks in Sochi had meanwhile been delayed by several hours, as Moscow struggled to bring together key players.

    Syria's main opposition group, like the Kurds, said they would boycott the event, and last-minute negotiations were underway to bring others together at the table.

    Few expect the congress, co-sponsored by Russia, Iran and Turkey, to make much progress in ending Syria's civil war, which has killed more than 340,000 people and devastated the country since breaking out in 2011.

    by Delil Souleiman

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    Gregor Peter‏@L0gg0l 17h17 hours ago-- RUSSIAN AIR FORCE FIRES WARNING SHOTS AT TURKISH CONVOY AS IT ADVANCES DEEP INTO SYRIA -- TURKISH MILITARY FIRES SEVERAL ROCKETS AT SYRIAN REGIME / HEZBOLLAH TROOPS

    Salman Shaikh‏@Salman_Shaikh1 17h17 hours ago
    Tit-for-tat firing going on between Turkish tanks and Assad regime artillery going on just south of #Aleppo. Iranian backed militias in Al-Hader also attacking Turkish convoy.

    Charles Lister‏Verified account@Charles_Lister 17h17 hours ago
    BIG things happening in #Idlib/SW #Aleppo: - #Turkey has deployed 40-60 vehicles (including tanks) through Atareb & Sarmada into al-Eis to reinforce de-escalation zone & deter #Assad regime violations. = Regime responded with artillery fire. = #Ankara deployed F-16 escorts.

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    Have a look at it in order to better understand the situation. The Turkish army convoy has stopped around Kafr Halab. The Russians are bombing &Syrian regime is shelling area around Al-Qammari. The convoy is intended for Al-Eiss so it can't pass. @akhbar

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielboon View Post
    Gregor Peter‏@L0gg0l 17h17 hours ago-- RUSSIAN AIR FORCE FIRES WARNING SHOTS AT TURKISH CONVOY AS IT ADVANCES DEEP INTO SYRIA -- TURKISH MILITARY FIRES SEVERAL ROCKETS AT SYRIAN REGIME / HEZBOLLAH TROOPS

    Salman Shaikh‏@Salman_Shaikh1 17h17 hours ago
    Tit-for-tat firing going on between Turkish tanks and Assad regime artillery going on just south of #Aleppo. Iranian backed militias in Al-Hader also attacking Turkish convoy.

    Charles Lister‏Verified account@Charles_Lister 17h17 hours ago
    BIG things happening in #Idlib/SW #Aleppo: - #Turkey has deployed 40-60 vehicles (including tanks) through Atareb & Sarmada into al-Eis to reinforce de-escalation zone & deter #Assad regime violations. = Regime responded with artillery fire. = #Ankara deployed F-16 escorts.
    Why is Russia firing at Turkish forces? Is this a surprise? Or just part of the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieMoon View Post
    Why is Russia firing at Turkish forces? Is this a surprise? Or just part of the game?
    Well if one of those "warning shots" gets "too close" this will change real quick...Since we've got Al-Hader reportedly involved now along with the SAA this is one "angry shot" away from turning into Act X of this overall Middle East mess....

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    Like I've said before! "If they're not fighting the Jews and Christians, they're fighting each other!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by China Connection View Post
    Well, the big question is where does Putin stand on this?????
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    Well, the big question is where does Putin stand on this?????

    Any place he wants ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Well, the big question is where does Putin stand on this?????

    Any place he wants ...
    At the gun counter.

    Selling arms to both sides, in a roudabout way.

    I don't think Putin would be particularly upset if the musloids wiped each other out.
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    CRITICAL MASS HEADED OUR WAY

    Housecarl, Daniel, this has the ability to go critical mass within 15 minutes. Erdogan has now taken off the gloves and is going to permanently expand the Turkish state deep into Syria. Erdogan plans to seize a vast swath of Western, Northern and Eastern Syria. He is going to annex all of Syria bordering Turkey in the west, the north and all the way to the Euphrates river border with Iraq. I see no way that Assad junior can stomach that. Further, Erdogan has also clearly decided roll the dice and directly engage US combat troops/advisors now embedded with the Kurds in Manjai. We are talking dozens of miles deep into Syria, and we are talking several hundred miles wide.

    IT IS NOW INEVITABLE THAT SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME YOU WILL GET DIRECT COMBAT BETWEEN EITHER TURKISH MILITARY FORCES, AIR AND GROUND, OR TURKISH PROXY FORCES, BETWEEN EITHER THE KURDS, THE AMERICANS, OR THE SYRIANS, OR THE SYRIAN PROXIES. THE RUSSIANS, IRAN AND HEZZBOLLAH ARE NOW IN THE MIX TOO.

    Oh yeah, Daniel and Housecarl: HAVE YOU BOUGHT YOUR WHISKEY AND AMMO FOR TODAY?
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    Yep, the fire is speading.

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/30012018


    Syrian regime loyalists target Turkish convoy in southern Aleppo
    By Rudaw 16 hours ago

    ERBIL, Kurdistan Region — A Turkish column of vehicles in the south of Aleppo governorate came under fire from fighters loyal to the Syrian regime late Thursday night.

    Pro-regime fighters shelled the convoy near the town of al-Eis as it was moving from west to east from Turkish-backed, opposition-held territory towards Bashar al-Assad loyalist-held territory about 26 kilometers southwest of Aleppo city, reported the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights Reported (SOHR).



    The clashes led to the retreat of the Turkish military vehicles, according to SOHR.

    There were unconfirmed reports of Syrian war planes striking near the convoy. Russia has been a major backer of the Syrian regime — especially via air power — but its military did not immediately claim any role in the strikes.

    SOHR reported on Wednesday that Lebanese Hezbollah, Iran's IRGC and other non-Syrians claimed to have witnessed a Turkish reconnaissance force "roaming" in the vicinity.

    Al-Eis is about 29 kilometers north of Abu al-Duhur military base, where there were also reports of clashes between Hayat Thrir al-Sham, also called al-Qaeda in Syria, and Assad loyalists.

    Turkey and its so-called Free Syrian Army proxies began a three-pronged assault on the Kurdish-controlled canton of Afrin in northwest Aleppo on January 21.

    The regime of Assad has condemned Turkey’s Operation Olive Branch in Afrin.
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    MORE CHAOS, SIR?

    Yep, this didn't take long at all.

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/210120181


    Kurdistan to deploy Peshmerga to help Afrin against Turkey if possible, PUK official
    By Rudaw 22/1/2018

    SULAIMANI, Kurdistan Region – A senior member of the ruling Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) said that they would like to send the Kurdish Peshmerga to help fellow Kurds in their “sacred resistance” against Turkey in Afrin, but this may not be possible given the current situation.

    “Countries of the region, in particular Turkey, knows about our stance in Kobane,” Mala Bakhtiyar told reporters as he visited the Sulaimani office of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), the ruling party in Syrian Kurdistan or Rojava.

    The Kurdistan Region, with the approval of Turkey and the US-led anti-ISIS Coalition, deployed its Peshmerga forces to help the Rojava fighters against ISIS in late 2014 in Kobane, a city that was under ISIS siege at the time.

    “If we can, we will help Afrin now. If they allow us, we will deploy forces to Afrin,” Bakhtiyar said.

    “But if they allow us, before deploying forces, we will send a delegation to Ankara for dialogue. We prefer dialogue over war,” the Kurdish official said.

    He added that deploying forces to Afrin from the Kurdistan Region is almost impossible.

    He called the Rojava defense against the Turkish military operation a “sacred resistance.”

    “We support our nation,” he explained about his party’s stance about the Kurds in Syria.

    The Kurdish people in Rojava call for their natural rights, he said, and therefore the PUK supports their quest for democracy in Syria.

    He said that the solution for the Syrian Civil War including the Kurdish question in that the country is “political, not military.”

    He criticized the pro-Turkish militias, the so-called Free Syrian Army, who support the Turkish military incursion.

    The Syrian rebels have left their towns and cities in favor of the Syrian regime, but are now on offensive against the Kurdish city of Afrin, he said.

    “Syrian opposition should know their rights are [deprived] by Damascus,” not Afrin, Bakhtiyar concluded.

    Turkey has launched a military operation against the Kurdish-controlled Afrin canton in western Syria on Saturday to drive out the Kurdish fighters from the border areas.

    Ankara claims that the YPG, the Kurdish armed force in control of the Syrian Kurdistan, is an extension of the PKK, an armed group that is fighting for greater national and cultural rights of millions of Kurds in Turkey but considered a terrorist organization by Ankara. YPG denies any organic links to the PKK.

    YPG, the backbone of the US-backed forces in Syria, won many battles against ISIS including in Kobane and Raqqa, the then de-facto capital of the extremist group.
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    HIGH NOON SYRIAN STYLE.

    http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/270120185


    Coalition: We will continue to stay in Manbij 'until told otherwise'
    By Rudaw 27/1/2018

    ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – The US-led Coalition who supports the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces in Syria in their fight against ISIS has told Rudaw that they will continue to stay in the Kurdish-held Manbij, just hours after Turkey warned the United States to remove their troops stationed there immediately.

    Colonel Ryan Dillon, spokesperson for the Coalition, told Rudaw TV on Saturday evening that they have been very “transparent” with Turkey over the delivery of equipment to the SDF force within the frame of the ISIS war. He praised the SDF, an alliance of Kurdish and Arab fighters in northern Syria for their war against the extremist group.

    “Turkey knows where our forces are in Manbij, and what they are doing there, and why they are there –to prevent any kind of escalation between the groups who are in that area,” Dillon said.

    Ankara claimed on Saturday that the US National Security Adviser HR McMaster “confirmed” during a Friday phone call with the spokesperson of the Turkish presidency that the US will no longer provide weapons to the YPG, the backbone of the SDF force in Syria.

    “The Coalition will continue to support our Syrian Democratic Forces in the fight against ISIS. We have said this all along, and we have said this with the Kurdish elements of the SDF. We will provide them equipment as necessary to defeat Daesh,” Dillon said of their support to the SDF who spearheaded the operation to liberate areas in northern Syria including Raqqa.

    He explained though “This equipment [provided to SDF] is especially for the fight against ISIS.”

    Turkey’s Foreign Minister also on Saturday requested the US military to remove their troops stationed in Manbij “immediately,” a day after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned that the so-called Operation Olive Branch may continue all the way to the Iraqi border with Syria including Manbij.

    The SDF, backed by the Coalition, liberated the town from ISIS militants in August 2016.

    “Manbij is now thriving,” Dillon said.

    “It is getting back to life. There are projects and stabilization efforts that are a model for other areas that had been held by ISIS in the past. So we will continue to operate there until told to do otherwise.”

    He said that the Coalition and their SDF partners on the ground are still fighting ISIS in the Middle Euphrates Valley, adding that clashes continue on a daily basis with casualties from both sides, ISIS and SDF.

    ISIS militants are still in control of 2 percent of territory they once controlled when they first emerged in 2014, a fact that necessitates the Coalition’s support on the ground to the SDF, Dillon said.

    “ISIS is still a threat to the region, still a threat to Turkey,” he said about the ISIS threat in the Middle East, and to the outside world.

    The Coalition is determined to remain focused on the fight against ISIS along with their SDF partner forces.

    “Our partners, the Syrian Democratic Forces have done a remarkable job by doing exactly that,” he said about the commitment of the Kurdish-led force in Syria in the war against ISIS.

    No other force took the fight against ISIS like the SDF, and are continuing to do that to achieve a “lasting defeat of ISIS,” Dillon said in praise of the SDF record in Syria.

    He explained that the Coalition believes that preventing the reemergence of ISIS is just as important, and therefore they will continue to provide training and equipment to local forces in liberated areas including in Syria such as Raqqa and Manbij, two areas under the Kurdish control.

    “After an area has been cleared, there are hold forces that would maintain security in that area, and we also provide the training and the equipping for Internal Security Forces,” Dillon said as he mentioned Raqqa, Manbij and Tabqa as examples for doing so.

    “The Coalition will continue to support our Syrian Democratic Forces in the fight against ISIS. We have said this all along, and we have said this with the Kurdish elements of the SDF. We will provide them equipment as necessary to defeat Daesh,” Dillon said, using the Arabic acronym for ISIS.

    Turkish military operations have continued on Saturday for the eighth day in a row against the Kurdish-held canton of Afrin in northwestern Syria on the border with Turkey. Ankara, backed by the so-called Free Syrian Army, wants to drive out US-backed Kurdish militants, the YPG, from the border strip.

    Ankara considers the YPG a terrorist organization, though no other country, including the US shares the same designation for the Kurdish force.

    The Turkish military incursion has made little to no progress despite days of intensive artillery and airstrikes conducted against the Kurdish held areas in Afrin.

    The two sides have reported inflicting great damage on one another, but tend to lower their own casualties.

    The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights have reported the deaths of at least 38 civilians since the operation began last Saturday, two were killed by the SDF.

    Both Ankara and SDF deny they ever target civilians.

    The United Nations stated they were “alarmed” as they reported that at least 11 children were killed.

    Health workers in Afrin warned that they fear the operation, if continued, would lead to a humanitarian “tragedy.”

    "Medication and humanitarian aid necessary to help civilians will soon run out," said Khalil Sabri Ahmed, head of the main hospital in Afrin.
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    Yep, Erdogan is now reinforcing his offensive in Syria.

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961110000991

    Turkish Army Sends More Military Hardware to Northern Syria

    The Turkish-language state-run Anadolu news agency reported that the Turkish army has dispatched more military vehicles, including armored personnel carriers, landmine-proof military vehicles, trucks and cranes and construction machinery, to the town of Azaz in Northern Aleppo via Onjo Binar border-crossing in Kilis province.

    Local sources said on Monday that a fresh military convoy of the Turkish army, including several tanks and combat units, arrived in the town of Kilis at the border with Syria to back up Operation Olive Branch forces in Afrin region in Northwestern Aleppo.

    In the meantime, local sources in Northwestern Hasaka reported that a large number of the Turkish army men have been put on alert in Jilan Binar region in Turkey across the border from the Syrian town of Ra'as al-Ein.
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    Turks advancing; Kurds digging in for the long haul

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961110000807

    Turkish Army Captures Another Strategic Kurdish-Held Region in Northern Syria

    Ankara-backed militant sources reported that the forces of Operation Olive Branch captured Height 915 after fierce clashes with the Kurds West of Afrin region.

    The sources further said that the entire Kurdish-held regions came under the monitoring of the Turkish army and allied militants after the fall of Height 915.

    The sources claimed that the Turkish army soldiers have thus far gained control over 21 regions, including 15 villages and five strategic hills and farms.

    Local sources confirmed on Monday that the Turkish Army dispatched another military column to the border with Syria after the country's leader vowed to expand the scope Operation Olive Branch against Kurdish militias in Aleppo province.

    The sources said that a fresh military convoy of the Turkish army, including several tanks and combat units, arrived in the town of Kilis at the border with Syria to back up Operation Olive Branch forces in Afrin region in Northwestern Aleppo.

    In the meantime, local sources in Northwestern Hasaka reported that a large number of the Turkish army men have been put on alert in Jilan Binar region in Turkey across the border from the Syrian town of Ra'as al-Ein.
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    Going after Syria this nut Erdogan may set the whole middle East ablaze.

    Turkey’s Erdogan Says He’s Ready to Risk Confrontation With US
    He may get his wish

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    Here is a good summary of the current Syrian situation.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2018/01...-of-syria.html


    Multiple Motives Exist As Reason For Turkish Invasion Of Syria
    TOPICS:Brandon TurbevilleForeign PolicySyriaTurkey

    January 30, 2018

    By Brandon Turbeville

    Turkey has invaded Syria to fight against the Kurds. Turkey is fighting alongside FSA terrorists while the United States, a Turkish ally is fighting alongside Kurdish terrorists. The Syrian military is pushing northwest toward Idlib city and the Russian, Iranian, and Hezbollah forces remain in the country to stabilize the situation and defeat jihadist groups continuing to operate there. The Kurds work with the FSA but the FSA is now working with the Turks. The FSA also works with the United States who in turn works with the Kurds.

    This is a brief example of the complexities of the Syrian crisis, exacerbated by recent events. For most casual observers, it is becoming harder to determine who is fighting who and likewise who is working together. With so many competing agendas and interests, the waters have become so muddied even researchers and journalists familiar with the crisis are less clear as to what is happening in Syria right now.

    In order to understand what is currently taking place in Syria, it is important to understand the interests of the parties involved. Quite simply, one needs to know what these parties want. After understanding the agenda of the nations taking part in the conflict, it will be easier to understand the possibilities in terms of where the recent Turk invasion is going to take Turkey, Syria, the United States, the Middle East, and the world.

    The United States

    Much has been written about the United States aims in Syria since the beginning of the crisis in 2011, at least within the alternative media. Essentially, the U.S., which launched the terrorist invasion of Syria wants to see the complete destruction of the Syrian government in the same vein of what the United States managed to accomplish in Libya. A Plan B would be the “federalization” of Syria or the breakup of the country into smaller weak impotent states that cannot resist the will of the West. Syria is to be used as a stepping stone to Iran and Iran a stepping stone to Russia.

    While many Americans had hoped that a Trump administration would bring a more rational reasonable approach to Syria, Trump’s doubling down on the “Assad must go” line, bombing in Khan Sheikhoun, continuing the illegal military occupation, and providing support for the Kurds all indicate that a more reasonable Syria policy is not in the cards and that the destruction of breakup of Syria is still the policy of the United States.





    Turkey

    Turkey has interests that center around the personality of its President Erdogan, its connection to both the U.S. and Russia, and the issue of the Kurds. Above all, Erdogan wishes to keep Turkey free of a Kurdish uprising in its east and south as well as to keep an organized, established Kurdistan from its southern and eastern borders. Erdogan is also a neo-Ottoman that has dreams of expanding Turkey’s influence and borders beyond what they are. In other words, he nurtures pipe dreams of creating a new Ottoman empire. The latter is the main reason, along with Erdogan’s own Islamism, that Turkey has supported the arming, training, funding, and facilitation of terrorists from inside the country across the border into Syria. Turkey is also tied at the hip to the United States and a member of NATO. Despite its own ambitions, Turkey no doubt wants to continue to benefit from this relationship but Erdogan might also be realizing that the Obama administration sold him a bill of goods when it was in the process of using Turkey as a staging ground for the so-called “Syrian revolution.” In the end, Turkey only managed to sully its relationship with its neighbor and foster a massive Kurdish expansion.

    Syria

    Syria’s interests are more transparent than those of anyone in the conflict. Syria simply wants to be free of Western-backed terrorists, Americans, Kurds, and Turks who have invaded their country. It does not want religious rule, Turkish expansion, Kurdish independence, Federalism, or U.N. rigged elections. It simply wants to finish the war, expel the terrorists and other invaders, and get back to the business of rebuilding.

    Russia

    Russia’s interests lie strictly with Russia. Putin’s interests are not in “saving Syria,” but in protecting Russian interests, alliances, and defensive military presence. It just so happens that the Assad government is an integral part of Russian defense strategy since Vladmir Putin’s administration understands that the Western bloc has the intent of surrounding Russia, gradually eliminating its allies, and ultimately bringing down the Russian state both from within and without. Russia wants peace and stability in Syria. It wants the Turks, Americans, and terrorists out of the country. Thus, Russia’s agenda is the same as Syria’s except that Russia seeks to solidify its military presence in the country and its role in rebuilding. The question, however, is how far Russia is willing to go toward this end. Is Russia willing to risk military confrontation with the United States in order to protect Syria? More importantly, is Russia willing to actually go toe to toe with America if the U.S. does not back down?

    Terrorists – FSA, ISIS, Nusra, Qaeda, HTS, etc.

    The terrorists operating in Syria have no agenda except one of two possibilities – the establishment of an “idyllic” Islamic system based on pre-civilized laws and standards or some quick money being paid to them. Beyond that, the terrorists are nothing more than pawns in the game to destroy the Syrian government. More specifically they are either mercenaries or jihadist dupes paid and armed by the United States for the purpose of destroying the Syrian government.

    Iran

    Iran, like Russia, is interested in preventing a war that sees Persia slated for the next invasion after Syria. If NATO’s plans can be stopped in Syria, there is greater hope it can be prevented from taking place in Iran. Unlike Russia, however, Iran also has ideological reasons for joining the fight, namely defeating Sunni extremism (as supported by the GCC and Turkey). Iran also wants to expand its regional influence not only through Syria and Hezbollah but through Iraq as well.

    Hezbollah

    Hezbollah’s interests lie overwhelmingly with the protection of Lebanon from Israel. Rightly understanding that the war in Syria is one of Israeli machinations, Hezbollah has done everything in its power to protect Lebanese borders, prevent Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and defeat GCC funded, Western-backed Sunni terrorists in Syria. There is also the question of self-preservation since, if Syria is defeated, a major supply from Iran will have been severed.

    Israel

    Israel’s goals are the same, essentially, as that of the United States – the utter destruction of Syria or, in the event of failure, the partitioning of Syria into fractured mini-states that are based on religion, race, or ethnicity. It wants the spread of chaos and destruction throughout all non-Israeli territory in the Middle East to its own benefit.

    GCC (minus Qatar)

    The GCC are interested in three things – continuing to survive on the gravy train that is their oil exports and thus their deep ties to the United States, spreading their easily manipulated version of Sunni Islam across the region, and the defeat of Shi’ite opposition such as Iran. However, the GCC is largely the lapdog of the West and any interests held by the GCC should be assumed to be largely in line with those of the United States. Indeed, the GCC acted in accordance with the dictates of the West since the beginning of the crisis and it was an example of following orders more than anything resembling an independent decision to destroy the government of Syria.

    Qatar

    Qatar is the one standout in the GCC grouping, though Qatar is no longer in the GCC proper. Qatar, like the other GCC countries has an interest in breaking the power of the “Shi’ite crescent” and Iran as well as supporting the Muslim Brotherhood (a Turkish ally). However, like the GCC, Qatar is also acting at the behest of greater powers centered in the West. Its interests do not lie in the destruction of Syria so much as the pleasing of Western powers.

    Turkey’s Invasion Of Syria

    Turkey’s invasion of Syria has thrown a monkey wrench into an already convoluted web of alliances and entanglements begat by Western proxy invasion in 2011. As mentioned in the beginning of this article, Turkey is an ally of the United States as well as a NATO member but the Kurds are also allies of the United States, so much so that the U.S. physically supports them in the north of Syria. Turkey’s invasion to “erase” the Kurds from the northern parts of Syria thus has many analysts wondering just what is happening. In this since, there are three main possibilities.




    First, it is possible that Erdogan has simply acted on his own impulses and/or what he views as the best interests of Turkey (meaning in the best interests of keeping his hold on power). Kurdish terrorists attempting to establish their own state in Syria on Turkey’s border is as decidedly bad for both Turkey and Erdogan as it is for Syria and Iraq. Erdogan has repeatedly pledged to prevent the creation of an independent Kurdish state in Turkey and in Syria, the latter due to his fear of a linkage with the PKK and thus an eventual Kurdish revolt in Turkey itself. If Erdogan is acting on his own interests, then this war will put Turkey at odds with the Kurds, Syria, Russia, and the United States, a fellow NATO member. And what happens with the Turkish military pushes through the Kurdish forces and meets up with Syrian forces? What happens when the Turkish military meets up with American forces? There exists a clear and present danger that the Turks and Syrians would clash. Given the irrationality of American foreign policy and the incessant need to show dominance, it is a possibility that the Turks and Americans could see a military clash with one another.

    Second, there is the possibility that Turkey is working in coordination with the United States, both powers using the threat of the Kurds as an excuse for Turkey’s invasion. Keep in mind, Turkey is marching into Syria beside ISIS terrorists operating under the name Free Syrian Army. It is also important to remember that the United States has used the Kurds for geopolitical purposes in the past only to leave them holding the bag in the end. The entire Kurdish/American relationship is one of Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown. Indeed, Erdogan has done nothing but arm and facilitate Islamic extremists traveling through Turkey and into Syria since the beginning of the conflict and it has been a faithful soldier in the war against Syria. Neither Turkey nor the United States want to see a secular government in Damascus, especially one headed by Bashar al-Assad. It could very well be that the United States would rather see a Turkish invasion to shore up terrorist supply lines (i.e. Jarablus corridor) as well as to forcibly carve up Syria. The U.S. may believe that Syrian and Russian forces would not fire on a NATO member since the U.S. and Western European failed and failing states would likely use such an attack as justification for a “NATO response” and thus a Turkish occupation is more stable than a Kurdish one that would draw an eventual attempt to liberate it by the Syrian military. It is also possible that the boundaries of the new Kurdish state have been set between the United States and Turkey and the latter is simply moving to ensure that those boundaries become more clearly defined.

    A third and most likely possibility is that the Turks are not working with the U.S. but with Russia. If this is the case, it would represent perhaps the most brilliant geopolitical chess move of the 21st Century on the part of the Russians. Given that the United States has moved physically into Syria, planting bases in Kurdish areas, arming Kurdish terrorists and providing military support to them, a Syrian military push against the Kurds may finally give the United States the justification it has long been wanting in order to directly invade Syria. It could claim that the Syrian military attacked its forces and that the subsequent military assault was self-defense. Never mind the logic. It is a fact that logic has never been taken into account with American war propaganda.

    If Turkey is working with Russia, however, it is possible that Russia promised to help Turkey do something to prevent an independent Kurdish state on its borders while using the Turks to confront the Americans stationed in Northern Syria supporting Kurdish terrorists. The entire agreement would most likely hinge on the fact that Turkish troops would agree to leave Syria once Kurdish terrorism has been vanquished. However, the main focus would be on evicting the Americans illegally occupying Syrian territory. Turkey would come closer to doing this successfully more so than Syrian or even Russian forces, the latter being an invitation to World War Three and the former being an invitation for further American aggression. If this possibility is what is taking place on the ground, then it would see the Russians and Syrian using the Turks to expel a Western-backed Kurdish terrorist force as well as the U.S. forces from Syria as opposed to do so themselves directly.

    Note that there has been no effort on the part of Syria to respond to Turkey’s violation of its airspace, leading credence to the theory that the invasion has indeed been coordinated with Russia. In this sense, it seems that the details of the strategy may have been passed down to Damascus and Tehran by Putin. Thus, Syria would be waiting and relying on Russia to restrain any Ottoman style desires held by Erdogan.

    Conclusion

    At the end of the day, as Turkish tanks and soldiers continue to move into Syria, no analyst fully knows exactly what motivates Erdogan’s military moves or whether he is working with the United States, Russia, or some other agent of influence. As this article has described, however, there are a myriad of players involved in this crisis and each has its own agenda tied to an overarching agenda that has been marching across the world in earnest ever since 9/11.

    Brandon Turbeville writes for Activist Post – article archive here – He is the author of seven books, Codex Alimentarius — The End of Health Freedom, 7 Real Conspiracies, Five Sense Solutions and Dispatches From a Dissident, volume 1 and volume 2, The Road to Damascus: The Anglo-American Assault on Syria, The Difference it Makes: 36 Reasons Why Hillary Clinton Should Never Be President, and Resisting The Empire: The Plan To Destroy Syria And How The Future Of The World Depends On The Outcome. Turbeville has published over 1000 articles on a wide variety of subjects including health, economics, government corruption, and civil liberties. Brandon Turbeville’s radio show Truth on The Tracks can be found every Monday night 9 pm EST at UCYTV. His website is BrandonTurbeville.com He is available for radio and TV interviews. Please contact activistpost (at) gmail.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    Housecarl, Daniel, this has the ability to go critical mass within 15 minutes. Erdogan has now taken off the gloves and is going to permanently expand the Turkish state deep into Syria. Erdogan plans to seize a vast swath of Western, Northern and Eastern Syria. He is going to annex all of Syria bordering Turkey in the west, the north and all the way to the Euphrates river border with Iraq. I see no way that Assad junior can stomach that. Further, Erdogan has also clearly decided roll the dice and directly engage US combat troops/advisors now embedded with the Kurds in Manjai. We are talking dozens of miles deep into Syria, and we are talking several hundred miles wide.

    IT IS NOW INEVITABLE THAT SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME YOU WILL GET DIRECT COMBAT BETWEEN EITHER TURKISH MILITARY FORCES, AIR AND GROUND, OR TURKISH PROXY FORCES, BETWEEN EITHER THE KURDS, THE AMERICANS, OR THE SYRIANS, OR THE SYRIAN PROXIES. THE RUSSIANS, IRAN AND HEZZBOLLAH ARE NOW IN THE MIX TOO.

    Oh yeah, Daniel and Housecarl: HAVE YOU BOUGHT YOUR WHISKEY AND AMMO FOR TODAY?
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    I didn't realize it had already begun, right before my eyes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    I was just today reading to my son the chapters in the Book of Daniel about the "King of the North" and the "King of the South".


    I didn't realize it had already begun, right before my eyes....
    You should have....

    I wrote a whole book about it three years ago and made it available to everyone...

    How many folks "didn't know" compared to how many refused to discern with open minds?
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    From a couple of days ago....

    For links see article source.....
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    http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentar...a_intervention

    Three views on Turkey's Syria intervention

    Commentary
    Guney Yildiz & Asli Aydýntaþbaþ & Julien Barnes-Dacey
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    What Turkey's intervention means for Syria, the Kurds, and Ankara.

    What it means for the Syrian war
    By Julien Barnes-Dacey

    Turkey’s intervention into Afrin adds another messy dimension to the Syrian conflict, not least for the region’s long-suffering civilians. Yet while Turkey’s military push opens up another front - and further consolidates foreign occupation of the country - it will not fundamentally harm Assad’s broader position. Indeed, Turkey’s position enhances Russia’s ability to drive forward a regime-friendly political process.

    Turkey’s intervention has provoked yet deeper fractures among Assad’s opponents, relieving wider pressure on him, including to stop the regime’s ongoing military campaign in Idlib. Turkish-backed Syrian opposition fighters are now fighting Syrian Kurds, even though the latter have increasingly positioned themselves in the anti-Assad camp after years of hedging.

    This struggle reflects a deepening conflict between Turkey and the US, both NATO members and long-standing Assad opponents. Ankara is focused on preventing the consolidation of an autonomous Kurdish zone in Syria, whereas Washington recently announced a new Syrian strategy that positions (non-Afrin-based) Kurds as the spearhead of a combined anti-ISIS, anti-Assad and anti-Iran approach.

    Any widening of this confrontation (unlikely but not inconceivable given Turkish ambitions to move eastwards on the Kurdish-held town of Manbij after Afrin) would mark a significant escalation. Not only is the US military directly deployed in Manbij, but, unlike the isolated pocket of Afrin, the town lies within core Kurdish-controlled territory in Syria. This guarantees a stronger Kurdish response, and one that could extend into Turkey itself. Even if Turkey tries to limit the fighting to Afrin, the PYD could spark a wider unravelling by sending more fighters to resist its incursion.

    As for Assad, he may now try to exploit the Kurds’ vulnerability to try and strike a regime-favourable deal with them aimed at pushing back against Turkey’s presence and loosening US influence in the region. Alternatively, he may look to cut a deal with Turkey over the heads of the Kurds, leaving them wholly dependent on capricious US support for survival. More likely, knowing Assad’s track record, he will seek to provoke a wider escalation between all parties, expecting the deepening conflict between his opponents to strengthen his own position.

    More broadly, Turkey’s advance likely ends any opposition hopes that recent tensions between Turkey and Russia could be leveraged to undermine the Astana grouping and pressure Russia to commit to the UN political track. The recent US decision to double down on support for Syrian Kurds has effectively has put paid to these hopes. Ankara now needs Russian support in Syria more than ever, both in terms of allowing it to use Russian-controlled air space over Afrin, and to ensure a political track that guarantees Kurdish containment. Russia will almost certainly try to use Turkish concerns to re-energise the Astana grouping and lock in Ankara’s support for its upcoming, Assad-friendly Sochi conference.

    In the end the Afrin operation may not radically shift Syria’s broader conflict dynamics but it does reaffirm the Russian-dominated, Assad-favourable trajectory. Much now depends on whether or not the Afrin battle is the prelude to a deepening Kurdish-Turkish conflict. This could, like so many other twists and turns in the Syria conflict, still upend everyone’s plans.

    What it means for Turkey
    By Asli Aydýntaþbaþ

    “We can suddenly arrive one night,” President Erdogan warned lately. For months, Turkish officials have been talking about confronting Kurdish fighters in the Syrian town of Afrin, so when Turkey finally embarked on an incursion across the border last Friday, there was nothing sudden about it.

    This is Ankara’s second major incursion in Syria but the Turkish army’s first showdown with Syrian Kurds. The Kurds have been slowly gaining control of northern Syria since 2012 and have established self-governing “cantons” there.

    The Turkish government says the target of its “Olive Branch” operation is the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), which it regards as “terrorists” linked to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK). But the YPG is also a key US ally and the backbone of the US-backed anti-ISIS ground force.

    Afrin is at the western tip of the Kurdish region in Syria, but is isolated from the rest of the Kurdish-controlled zone liberated from the Islamic State since 2014. Ankara intends to create a 30 km-deep safe zone there and eventually link that with the Jarablus-Azez pocket already controlled by the Turkish military since the end of 2016.

    During peacetime, the tiny region may not hold much of a geopolitical significant for anyone. But now Afrin has already emerged as a political knot with tangled up Turkish, Russian, and American interests, all with competing designs for the future of Syria.

    For starters, Afrin has been a Russian “protectorate” since the early days of the Syrian war, and Ankara had to seek Moscow’s blessing to start the incursion. Unlike the rest of the Kurdish zone, Afrin hosted no American troops but several hundred Russians– who at times angered Ankara by wearing YPG insignia. Last week President Erdogan dispatched his chief of staff, Hulusi Akar, and powerful intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, to convince Moscow to open Syrian air space for Turkish jets and withdraw its troops, after which the Turkish campaign began.

    After nearly a century of enmity and a 2015 spat over Turkey’s downing of a Russian fighter jet in Syria, Ankara and Moscow now handle their new friendship with utmost care. Turkey’s nationalist drumbeat is largely directed at Kurdish forces and the Americans for harboring them. Turks are careful not to offend their Russian friends.

    Moscow plays its hand dexterously, too. Russia’s decision to give Erdogan a green light on Afrin probably has more to do with gaining concessions on the Astana process – such as Ankara’s acquiescence on the Syrian regime’s advances on Idlib – than any real sense of a Kurdish threat. Russians also know that a prolonged Turkish-Kurdish confrontation could make Ankara more beholden to Moscow and force the Syrian Kurds to accept a political settlement with the Assad regime.

    On the Turkish-American front, things are more problematic. Turkey’s incursion comes at a low point in Ankara’s relations with Washington and risks exacerbating tensions between the two allies. Erdogan has long fumed at US military aid and training for Syrian Kurds, accusing Washington of siding with terrorists and threatening to “rip off the terror corridor” on Turkey’s borders.

    With a full-fledged Turkish-Kurdish battle in Afrin, it will be difficult for the Trump administration to continue its balancing act between Syrian Kurds and Ankara. The Syrian Defense Forces (SDF) – Washington’s main partner on the ground in Syria with YPG as the dominant force – is already shifting its forces away from the frontlines with ISIS and towards Afrin. Kurds are also putting pressure on Americans to help curb Ankara’s intensions.

    US officials have long told their Turkish counterparts that their relationship with Kurds is transactional and will ultimately end once northern Syria is stabilized. But that may not be so easy. With a renewed focus on reducing Iran’s influence in the region, the Trump administration is in no hurry to abandon northern Syria or the Kurds anytime soon.

    The Afrin battle will thus be an opportunity for Russia and a tough balancing act for Washington.

    Meanwhile the atmosphere of amplified nationalism is proving to be a major boost to Erdogan at home. It is helping the Turkish president solidify his alliance with far-right Nationalist Action Party (MHP) and, in a sense, kick off his 2019 presidential campaign. Turkish mosques are instructed to read the Conquest verse from the Quran, and Erdogan is warning, “Whoever stands in our way in this national struggle, we will run them over.”

    What it means for the Kurds
    By Guney Yildiz

    Turkish offensive into Afrin is no surprise for the Kurdish-led forces in Northern Syria. The People’s Protection Forces (YPG) has been preparing for a potential Turkish offensive for over a year. During my research visit to Syria in late-September, I was surprised to hear that the fighters and commanders were planning for the attack with some confidence.

    The YPG commanders were deeply suspicious of Russia’s transactional dealings with Turkey and aware of a potential change of policy in Washington following the YPG-led operation against Daesh's de-facto capital Raqqa. They therefore were already assuming that they might need to bear the brunt of a potential Turkish offensive alone.

    The fact that the Turkish military has so far been using fighter jets to bomb targets from high altitude leaves the YPG without much chance to retaliate. However, the YPG attaches huge importance to Afrin and believes that if the Turkish army manages to defeat them in Afrin, they will try to do the same in other regions across Northern Syria.

    This is one reason why the YPG may go to extreme lengths to prevent the area from being captured by Turkey. The YPG’s military capacity will be clearer when and if a large-scale ground operation by Turkish troops begins. One crucial factor will be whether the YPG’s Arab allies will continue supporting in the face of the Turkish attack.

    Attempts by Turkish and pro-Turkish groups to capture ground from the YPG has so far shown limited success. The YPG leadership believes that time is on their side and the longer the Turkish offensive lasts, the more chance they will have to challenge the Turkish soldiers on the ground and mobilise Kurdish masses in Syria and beyond.

    What makes Afrin the choice of place for Turkey to attack is that it lies outside the area where the US coordinates with the YPG. Washington didn’t make any commitment to protect Afrin, although the US military protected the same armed groups in their campaign against ISIS.

    The fighting in Afrin also demonstrates the differences between the YPG in Northern Syria, who show no sign of withdrawing in the face of an offensive by the Turkish military, and Iraqi Kurdish forces, who left Kirkuk to Iraqi forces without resistance after the independence referendum in September.

    The YPG believes that Russian approval for the Turkish offensive stems from the fact that Moscow is trying to weaken the Kurds to strengthen the Syrian regime’s position in shaping the future of Syria. It thus reduces the possibility of participation of Kurdish-led administrations in any Russian-backed peace plan.

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    The decisive factor will be if/when Erdogan rolls the dice and heads east towards Manaji and engages the American forces there. If he does that, I don't see how NATO can survive. Russia will have shattered NATO, and opened up the entire Black Sea area to its forces.
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    Turkey has long been a savage bully needing to get toasted. Allying with them out of convenience was not smart.

    Ragnarock- according to prophecy, what do you expect the outcome will be here?

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    marqs‏@MarQs__ 20h20 hours agoBREAKING: Reports of 3 Turkish soldiers killed when their convoy came under attack near Atareb, #Aleppo. Different reports on what caused the explosion, some say some kind of IED, others say artillery fire

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    4 Lieberman: Lebanon will pay for Iranian meddling

    now lets add this in as wellDefense Minister Avidgor Lieberman said Wednesday that should war erupt again with Lebanon that country will "pay the full price" for Iran's entrenchment.



    Lieberman added that Hezbollah guerrillas have sacrificed Lebanon's national interests by subjugating fully to Iran. As a result, he said, all of Lebanon will be fair game in a future war.


    Speaking to the Institute for National Security Studies' annual conference, Lieberman said the Lebanese army will be targeted and "if citizen of Tel Aviv are forced to sit in shelters, all of Beirut will too. "https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5078883,00.html

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    4 Lebanon president: Israel comment on offshore energy is 'threat to Lebanon'

    BEIRUT - Lebanon's President Michel Aoun on Wednesday said Israeli comments urging firms not to bid on a Lebanese offshore energy tender were "a threat to Lebanon."



    Earlier on Wednesday Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman described Lebanon's offshore oil and gas licensing process as "very provocative" and urged international firms not to bid.


    "Lieberman's words about Block 9 are a threat to Lebanon and its right to sovereignty over its territorial waters," Aoun said on his official Twitter account.https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...078880,00.html

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    3 U.S. defends role of Lebanon army as Israel threatens to attack it

    who,s side are we on?TEL AVIV (Reuters) - The United States pledged continued support for Lebanon’s military on Wednesday, calling it a potential counterweight to Iranian-backed Hezbollah, even as Israel said the two forces were indistinguishable and fair game in any future war.Such a public difference of opinion between two close allies was remarkable enough, but especially so as it was sounded by senior officials at the same event - an Israeli security conference.

    The Lebanese Armed Forces took no part in the 2006 war between Hezbollah and Israel, which killed around 1,200 people in Lebanon and 158 Israelis. It has received more than $1.5 billion in U.S. military assistance since then and, in the last seven years, training and support from U.S. special forces too.

    With Hezbollah having helped sway the Syrian civil war in President Bashar al-Assad’s favor, Israel and the United States both worry that the Iranian-backed militia could now broaden its clout in its Lebanese heartland. They disagree on whether the Lebanese army would help or hinder Hezbollah’s expansion.

    “We will sustain our efforts to support legitimate state security institutions in Lebanon, such as the Lebanese Armed Forces, which is the only legitimate force in Lebanon,” David Satterfield, acting assistant U.S. secretary of state, told the conference organized by Tel Aviv University’s INSS think-tank.

    Satterfield, a former U.S. ambassador to Lebanon, added that the Lebanese army “could well serve as a counter-weight to Hezbollah’s desire to expand its own influence there, as well as Iran’s reach in Lebanon”.

    But speaking three hours later on the same stage, Israeli Defence Minister Avigdor Lieberman reiterated his view that the Lebanese army was subordinate to the better-equipped Hezbollah.“As far as I‘m concerned, all of Lebanon - the Lebanese army, Lebanon and the Lebanese army - are no different from Hezbollah,” said Lieberman, a far-rightist in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s conservative coalition government.

    “They are part of Hezbollah and they will all pay the full price” for any large-scale attack on Israel, Lieberman added.The INSS conference coincided with heightened concern in Israel about what it describes as Iranian efforts to fit precision-guidance systems onto Hezbollah’s longer-range missiles - improvements that could potentially allow the fighters to knock out key Israeli infrastructure.

    Israel’s public response has been to lobby Russia - which has some sway over Iran and Hezbollah because of their alliance in Syria. Israel has also issued explicit warnings that it would devastate Lebanon should Hezbollah launch another war.

    There was no immediate response from Hezbollah or the Lebanese military to Lieberman’s comments. Neither Hezbollah nor Iran has responded to the Israeli allegations about missile conversions.

    The Lebanese military has previously said it operates independently from Hezbollah, most recently during an operation against Islamic State at the Lebanese-Syrian border last year, during which the army said there was absolutely no coordination with Hezbollah fighters who attacked IS from the Syrian side.

    Lieberman made similar remarks about the Lebanese military in October, marking a hard tack from more measured Israeli estimates that the Lebanese army maintained autonomy even if some of its troops cooperated with Hezbollah.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...mpression=true

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    now lets add this in as wellDefense Minister Avidgor Lieberman said Wednesday that should war erupt again with Lebanon that country will "pay the full price" for Iran's entrenchment.



    Lieberman added that Hezbollah guerrillas have sacrificed Lebanon's national interests by subjugating fully to Iran. As a result, he said, all of Lebanon will be fair game in a future war.


    Speaking to the Institute for National Security Studies' annual conference, Lieberman said the Lebanese army will be targeted and "if citizen of Tel Aviv are forced to sit in shelters, all of Beirut will too. "https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5078883,00.html
    I feel bad for the Lebanese people. At one time there were a fair number of christians there. Just little people getting trampled on by the gangs of thugs, not unlike many places in the world. The attack on Israel will come through Lebanon and when that happens, the bodies will be pureed in northern Israel. Another good reason to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The battle may extend down past Haifa and to Tel Aviv. I think we could see this happen within 3 years.

    Amerika was much to blame for being the tool of the Illuminatists. Instead of fighting for the oppressed in key locations, we took the expedient routes for quick gains and the largest gains for the devils behind the curtain.

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