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    A Further Perspective - Importing The S***hole

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    A Further Perspective
    Importing The S***hole
    Scott McKay

    January 11, 2018, 10:05 am

    A quote attributed to President Trump horrifies our snowflake intellectuals, but accurately reflects the sentiments of much of America.

    Thursday saw a media firestorm erupt over a Washington Post report that amid a White House meeting with several members of Congress working on a compromise having to do with the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, President Trump asked why America should have to take in so many immigrants from “s***hole countries” rather than people from places like Norway.

    The Post article isn’t exactly the finest example of American journalism, identifying as its source no one actually in the room to confirm what Trump supposedly said but instead naming two anonymous people who were “briefed on the meeting.”

    Those anonymous second-hand sources claimed that the offending statement came amid a discussion over a proposal to eliminate the diversity visa lottery program and use the 50,000 visas per year tied up in it to offer protection to “vulnerable populations” living in the United States under Temporary Protected Status. Trump became irritated at this, according to the Post, and asked about Haitians, and when the conversation turned to Africa Trump supposedly said, “Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?” and suggested that maybe instead America should be taking in more people from Norway — whose prime minister visited the White House the day before.

    The White House didn’t really deny the Post story despite its rather sketchy sourcing. White House spokesman Raj Shah instead defended Trump’s policy position, saying in a statement that “Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people.… Like other nations that have merit-based immigration, President Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger by welcoming those who can contribute to our society, grow our economy and assimilate into our great nation.”

    The Post reported that the Senators attempting to come to a DACA solution, most prominently Illinois Democrat Dick Durbin (whose track record indicates a lack of reliability where it comes to good faith in negotiations) and South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham (no more need be said) were upset over, upon arriving at the meeting, being joined by immigration hard-liners Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) and Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), among others. Durbin and Graham thought they’d have the president more or less to themselves. And when the meeting devolved into disagreement, with Trump showing no interest in a DACA deal, it’s pretty obvious someone on one or both of their staffs rushed to the Post to offer up a juicy second-hand Trump quote which might or might not have been reported in proper context.

    But so what if it was?

    Is there any question Haiti is a s***hole? Who’s offended by that? If it wasn’t a s***hole it wouldn’t be one of the most prominent recipients of American charity aid on Planet Earth. And it isn’t like this country has ignored Haiti — we’ve been trying to lift it out of s***hole status for more than a century, with absolutely no result whatever. In 1910, President William Howard Taft granted Haiti a large loan in hopes that Haiti could pay off its staggering international debt and therefore achieve a larger measure of independence from Europe. The result? Haiti defaulted and U.S. tax dollars were poured into a bottomless pit. In 1915, following the assassination of Haitian president Jean Vilbrun Guillaume Sam, President Woodrow Wilson sent in the U.S. Marines to help establish order there — and the American military presence in Haiti didn’t end until 1934. Yet so little was America able to influence the Haitians that Haiti is the only country in North America where baseball — a national pastime in the Dominican Republic next door — isn’t played by the population.

    There is no poorer country in the Western Hemisphere than Haiti, though given time Communist Venezuela might well change that.

    And no, it’s not racist to note Haiti is a s***hole. While Trump was having his supposed outburst his administration was removing Temporary Protected Status from some 200,000 Salvadorans, most of whom are not black people, who had entered the country illegally. Why would he do that? Perhaps because on balance, mass immigration from El Salvador isn’t such a great idea. Know what you get when you take in an unlimited number of illegal Salvadorans? You get MS-13, which is a Salvadoran street gang spreading its vicious tentacles into every Hispanic community in America in the precise way the Italian mafia achieved a chokehold into the Italian community in this country a century ago.

    Apparently, repeating the errors of the past makes you a racist. Of course it does. And you’re especially racist if you note that the modern American Left’s patron saint Saul Alinsky learned the tactics of “community organization” passed down to today’s neo-Communist radicals from the Italian mafia in Chicago. Even more so if you wonder whether Alinsky’s ideological disciples don’t secretly want to repeat that collaboration in order to organize America’s Hispanic community into a monolithic Democrat vote, which would explain the jeers and “fact-checking” pieces hurled at Trump when his Justice Department declared war on MS-13 last year.

    And yes, El Salvador is also a s***hole. When your country has the world’s highest murder rate, you qualify for s***hole status. Let’s remember that it was the dogged determination of the Reagan administration, by use of American treasure and a bit of blood as well, which kept El Salvador from becoming a Communist s***hole rather than an ordinary one — an effort which has resulted in little thanks from anyone and more than a little opprobrium from the cultural Left at the time and since.

    How about Somalia? Who’s up for more mass immigration from Somalia? Is there any argument Somalia is a s***hole, or do we need a national screening of Black Hawk Down to remind us what that country is like? If you’d like a more recent depiction of what Somalia has to offer the world we could all watch Captain Phillips, the 2013 Tom Hanks vehicle about the true story of the Maersk Alabama, set upon by one of the multitudinous hordes of pirates — yes, actual pirates — sloughing off from Somali shores in search of fat from international commerce. Somalia is such a s***hole that its stench infects nearby countries like Kenya — viz., the Westgate Shopping Mall attack in Nairobi in 2013 — and Uganda, where Al-Shabaab, Somalia’s home-grown jihadist terror group, set off a series of bombs in the capital of Kampala to slaughter 76 people as they watched the 2010 World Cup soccer final.

    What has America derived from mass immigration from Somalia? Machete attacks on street corners in Columbus and mall stabbings in suburban Minneapolis. And if you like, you can ask the current and former residents of Lewiston, Maine, what a boon Somali immigration has been to that town.

    Afghanistan, anyone? How much of Afghan culture would we like to pour into our national melting pot? One imagines we have suitable populations of Hollywood and New York sophisticates who would find the Afghans’ use of little boys as sexual playthings rather quaint and charming. For the rest of us, revulsion is a more common reaction, and a desire to strictly limit immigration from there to those people we can properly vet is quite appropriate. After all, there is no more properly described s***hole on earth as Afghanistan.

    Sure, ideally it would be nice if the president wasn’t quoted as describing other countries as s***holes. But these are s***holes. They’re places where the local culture is unquestionably, horribly dysfunctional, and where civil society and the rule of law as we know them do not exist. Successful immigration from such places depends on assimilation into our culture, and most definitely not the importation of their inferior culture — and that means small numbers of immigrants with skills and qualities ensuring their positive participation in our society. Not mass willy-nilly immigration to turn swaths of our cities into breeding grounds for Al Shabaab or MS-13.

    The open-borders crowd doesn’t want to talk about that, though, and it wants to call you racist if you’re opposed to a deluge of immigrants from the worst places on earth. That’s why Trump’s “s***holes” objection is big news rather than the fact there are so-called political leaders who can’t agree to reorient our immigration policy toward taking people who can successfully assimilate here.

    Between the two, the crude man who tells the truth and looks out for his own citizens is preferable to the genteel man who sells us out for cheap labor or ballot-box fuel for a political machine. If Trump is the former, so be it.
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    Snowflake intellectuals? These people are the Dreamers. Get anchored in reality, what President Trump allegedly said is what a vast majority of Americans are asking.

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    I believe we Americans should be completely magnanimous and gift these poor benighted shithole countries with our entire population of enlightened, intellectual, highly educated progressives.

    Just think how much better of we .... errrrrr, I mean THEY - would be!
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    So what is wrong with calling a Spade a Spade? Those places are shitholes. Why should we accept anyone from places like that. NUMEROUS times in the past the US has banned immigrants from UNDESIRABLE and shithole countries. We banned mudslimes for the longest time because it is a cult TOTALLY incompatible with American ideals and culture.

    WE - DON'T - HAVE - TO - ACCEPT - ANYONE - INTO - OUR - COUNTRY.

    Nor should we. It's time to start being more than a little selective. If someone doesn't have something to offer to the American Dream then they can go back and fix the very shithole they are living in now. It's not our job to fix the planet. We have enough work to fix our own little shitholes here.

    Why should we import problems? Seriously.....why?

    We need to clean up our own house first before looking around to import other garbage to deal with.
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSwzubpoKP8

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    Scott Adams Teaches You How To Translate Trumpspeak: Genius, Wedges, Shitholes,...

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    Published on Jan 12, 2018
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    What is a country?

    Well in the case as how I understand the US would be......is a place with a defined geographical territory of protected borders that contains citizens of that country that share a common culture, language and agreed upon civil laws for the purpose of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness....

    .....most important in that are willing to share a common culture and the obeying of the laws of the land is a must........

    So if the left say a country can have open borders for those who either do not respect our laws and/or strive to change our culture then that becomes a conflict of what this definition is.

    In that case we must refer to what our founding fathers told us the US is to be and it sounds more like the former than the latter definition....

    Please feel free to correct or amend anything I've stated above.......

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    Well if that upsets them, then do it.

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    Heck, just show them the Scott Adams clip, posted at #5 above.
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    Haiti Formally Summons US Official to Come Before Government and Explain “Sh*thole”
    January 11, 2018 by Jim Hoft

    Oh my.

    That’s our president.

    Earlier today President Donald Trump asked a group of pro-amnesty senators why the US should welcome migrants from “sh*tholes” like Haiti or Central America.

    Ouch.

    Tonight Haiti formally summoned a US official to come before the government and explain what Trump meant by “sh*thole.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Tonight Haiti formally summoned a US official to come before the government and explain what Trump meant by "shithole"
    Hmmm... Does he REALLY need it explained to him?







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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    I believe we Americans should be completely magnanimous and gift these poor benighted shithole countries with our entire population of enlightened, intellectual, highly educated progressives.

    Just think how much better of we .... errrrrr, I mean THEY - would be!
    ^^^^^^THIS! ...and Trump might offer to escort them on his own Boeing 747 to be sure they made it there ....safely!
    ..though they'd bitch about the airplane food, the FREE ONE WAY travel with NO mileage points....
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    I have been to a few of those countries, Donald Trump is right, they are shitholes.

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    As I understand it, Haiti and D.R. are part of the same island and started with the same natural resources, but are now far apart in many ways.
    What is the difference that caused this? Corrupt government?
    Do earthquakes and hurricanes ‘favor’ Haiti with their arrival?
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    Go to google earth and look at the island. The difference between the two countries is VERY marked. You can see where the border is with no problem!

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    the "shiteflakes" are screaming about the word "shitehole"

    I friggin love it.
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    They are what they are! A product of a failed government.

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    The first step in solving a problem is to recognize the problem. Seems like a huge problem in our "leadership".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Profit of Doom View Post
    As I understand it, Haiti and D.R. are part of the same island and started with the same natural resources, but are now far apart in many ways.
    What is the difference that caused this? Corrupt government?
    Do earthquakes and hurricanes ‘favor’ Haiti with their arrival?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Heck, just show them the Scott Adams clip, posted at #5 above.
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    Haiti Formally Summons US Official to Come Before Government and Explain “Sh*thole”
    January 11, 2018 by Jim Hoft

    Oh my.

    That’s our president.

    Earlier today President Donald Trump asked a group of pro-amnesty senators why the US should welcome migrants from “sh*tholes” like Haiti or Central America.

    Ouch.

    Tonight Haiti formally summoned a US official to come before the government and explain what Trump meant by “sh*thole.”
    umm..

    I,m guessing

    that would be the hole, that, nothing but shit, comes out of??

    I could be wrong

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    http://www.amerika.org/politics/beco...thole-country/

    Becoming A Shithole Country
    by Brett Stevens on January 12, 2018

    Donald Trump again demonstrates why he is the master of the media: even with a simple leaked comment, he has characterized the issue in a way that is both practical and iconic, infecting our minds with the idea. Seemingly minutes after he shrugged in approval of a lazy deal on DACA, then killed it, he has created the “covfefe” meme of human differences that subtly shifts our thinking.

    According to those who are willing to leak information, Trump said something that was not politically correct regarding immigration:

    The lawmakers were describing how certain immigration programs operate, including one to give safe haven in the United States to people from countries suffering from natural disasters or civil strife.

    One of the sources who was briefed on the conversation said that Trump said, “Why do we want all these people from Africa here? They’re shithole countries … We should have more people from Norway.”

    The second source familiar with the conversation, said Trump, who has vowed to clamp down on illegal immigration, also questioned the need for Haitians in the United States.

    If we dig into our inner selves, where we can be honest before we clamp down with the fear of social disapproval, all of us will recognize the truth of what he has said: the countries in Africa tend to be impoverished, disorganized, corrupt, chaotic, violent, and filled with people who want to emigrate to the West to take advantage of the wealth there, instead of producing it at home.

    Some claim his comments were “racist,” which is nonsense of the first order not only because racial preference is part of “freedom” and something every human has, but also because he did not actually speak of the ethnic groups involved. He simply pointed out that destitute and dysfunctional third world countries are less preferable than taking in people from, say, Norway.

    For us to even claim that his comments were “racist,” we would need to sit him down with a list of every country on Earth and have him rank them on a binary scale of hole/not-hole, and then ask him why all the non-white countries were holes, if he ranked them so. If then he said, “It’s because they are full of hole people,” and tied that to their race, then it might be “racist.”

    In the context of our thought on his comments, however, the racial angle does not matter so much as the practical angle: why is America the sponge of the world, absorbing anyone who has experienced a tragedy, instead of thinking of our interests in who we take in?

    Our politicians posture by giving “safe haven” to people from around the world, but this is an act merely intended to make the politicians look good and feel good about themselves. No one has thought about the consequences of such an act, which makes it a sociopathic act, not a victory for empathy, charity and the human soul. It is the opposite of how it is sold.

    The bigger accidental truth involving immigration came from the Left, actually, and takes the form of a leaked memo that in turn leaks the real reason for Leftist support of third world (hole) immigration, which is that it enables them to buy votes and permanent smash the healthy, normal, Western European family-oriented people who tend to vote conservative, even though that group is the source of American success:

    A leaked memo from the left-wing organization, the Center for American Progress Action Fund, admits that passing an amnesty for the nearly 800,000 illegal aliens shielded from deportation by the President Obama-created Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program is “a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success.”

    …The leaked memo comes as the Trump administration has endorsed a DACA amnesty plan that trades legalizing the nearly 800,000 illegal aliens in exchange for mandatory E-Verify, which bars employers from hiring illegal aliens, ending chain migration, where newly naturalized citizens can bring an unlimited number of foreign relatives to the U.S. with them, ending the Diversity Visa Lottery program, which randomly imports 50,000 foreign nationals a year, and authorizing the construction of a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    The Pew Research Center found in 2012 that a plurality of Hispanic illegal aliens are Democrats, while only 4 percent said they identified with the Republican Party.
    In other words, Leftists are deliberately importing people from impoverished and dysfunctional (“shithole”) countries so that these people vote against the people who made this country not a third world wasteland, which it easily could have been like Mexico to the south or in fact, most of the Americas.

    As Plato noted, tyrants import foreigners as a means of establishing their power, which the Democrats have confirmed with the memo above. People who are in a country only because one person or party is in power will support that entity not out of gratitude, but fear of being sent away.

    Over time, this effectively obliterates the original population through outbreeding, and guarantees a permanent majority for the symbol of one party over all else. However, that symbol presides over a wasteland, and so has lost its value and meaning, which is something that apparently the original tyrants never think about.
    We can see this happen throughout history. Great empires form and then, just as they hit their peak, they become absorbed by whatever imported labor they were using. Centuries later, all that remains are the mixed descendants of the original group, and these are unable to achieve their former greatness. Egypt, Mexico, Iraq, India, Russia, Cambodia, Peru, Greece, and Italy all show us this pattern.

    That tells us that the people make the country, and not the other way around. It does not matter if they carry forth the symbols, laws, language, and other “outer culture” of the original population; when the founding genetic group is gone, the civilization is gone, and what replaces it is an approximation of the original just like fast food vaguely resembles real food.

    People are not equal, by class, race, ethnic group, sex, and caste. Only when an ethnic group stands on its own, and has a hierarchy both of leadership and of social rank, is it able to function. All of Leftism is a revolution against that social rank, which affirms that some do, indeed, know more than others and are better than those at leadership.

    Leftists follow a mental process of scapegoating: irate at their own lack of power, and not realizing that this is because they will abuse it if given it, they prove that point by becoming abusive in their quest for power, perhaps raging at a primal angst of not being immortal gods instead of mortal peasants and merchants. They blame the leaders for the dysfunction of the Leftists themselves.

    Scapegoating however is mentally addictive. Once the scapegoat is in place, it explains away all of the personal failings and fears of the people, so they chase that symbol like addicts in a religion dedicated to heroin. Eventually it destroys them, and everything around them, but they do not care because they had those moments of “if it feels good, do it.”

    They use the importation of foreigners as a means to this end. It crushes the native population, who are made to feel guilty and inferior. It creates a permanent power base for the Leftists. Then, they invert the society. Good becomes bad so that bad can become good; the lesser become the elites, so that the actual natural elites cannot stop the looting of a once-great society.

    We can see the effectiveness of this policy in the unity through hatred of the Left and minority groups who now openly admit that they wish to erase the founding population of America and Europe and replace them:

    “As long as people can be judged by the color of their skin, the problem is not solved,” she said, adding,“There are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it – in that prejudice and racism – and they just have to die.”

    Diversity is white genocide. Leftists want white genocide. Even some groups of whites — the “near whites” from Ireland, Southern Europe, the Mediterranean and Eastern Europe — want genocide, but they want to destroy the genetic group necessary for Western Civilization, the Western Europeans. Everyone wants to be on top.

    Clearly this policy of diversity, both ethnic and racial, is not functional. That is why the Left loves it: they plunge the nation into chaos, and thrive in the center of it, since they no longer lose social rank for being incompetent, venal, or dysfunctional. The rest of us need to realize that we are their target and they aim to eliminate us and erect a shithole nation in our place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    I believe we Americans should be completely magnanimous and gift these poor benighted shithole countries with our entire population of enlightened, intellectual, highly educated progressives.

    Just think how much better of we .... errrrrr, I mean THEY - would be!
    They're going to be in for a rude awakening when they discover that there's no infrastructure and no freedom of speech.
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    So what is wrong with calling a Spade a Spade? Those places are shitholes. Why should we accept anyone from places like that. NUMEROUS times in the past the US has banned immigrants from UNDESIRABLE and shithole countries. We banned mudslimes for the longest time because it is a cult TOTALLY incompatible with American ideals and culture.

    WE - DON'T - HAVE - TO - ACCEPT - ANYONE - INTO - OUR - COUNTRY.

    Nor should we. It's time to start being more than a little selective. If someone doesn't have something to offer to the American Dream then they can go back and fix the very shithole they are living in now. It's not our job to fix the planet. We have enough work to fix our own little shitholes here.

    Why should we import problems? Seriously.....why?

    We need to clean up our own house first before looking around to import other garbage to deal with.
    Very well stated ShadowMan !!!!!

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    Well if these other places are such beds of roses, then why are they trying to move here????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Heck, just show them the Scott Adams clip, posted at #5 above.
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    Haiti Formally Summons US Official to Come Before Government and Explain “Sh*thole”
    January 11, 2018 by Jim Hoft

    Oh my.

    That’s our president.

    Earlier today President Donald Trump asked a group of pro-amnesty senators why the US should welcome migrants from “sh*tholes” like Haiti or Central America.

    Ouch.

    Tonight Haiti formally summoned a US official to come before the government and explain what Trump meant by “sh*thole.”
    Is this guy blind? Just look around you and tell us what you see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post


    Tonight Haiti formally summoned a US official to come before the government and explain what Trump meant by “sh*thole.”
    Fascinating verbiage, "Haiti SUMMONED" as if they are kings telling their lowly subjects to appear before them for a royal meeting. The left's favorite meme of black superiority rears it's ugly head once again. Keep note of how often these little pieces of mind control are dribbled in the media, they're planting rotten seeds of racial superiority and it's not white.

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    They’re shithole countries … We should have more people from Norway.”
    Our President is wise. Send more Norwegians.
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