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CHAT Took Hermione to the doggie oncologist today - UPDATE, post 39; puppy pics, post 55
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    Took Hermione to the doggie oncologist today - UPDATE, post 39; puppy pics, post 55

    I took Hermione to see the oncologist today. We had a 90 minute consult. We discussed every possible treatment regimen, the success rates, impact on quality-of-life, duration and cost. For now, I'm taking her back in the morning for radiation treatment. I'll pick her up friday afternoon. At the same time, she'll get a medication to strengthen her bones. Evidently the cancer makes the bones more susceptible to fracture, and if that happens she'd have to be put down immediately. The radiation treatment, though expensive, is actually less than I was anticipating. However that bone medication is over $500 a dose! Even drugs for animals are a ripoff. Anyway, I'll post more when I get home later.

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    Good luck. This typre of treatment when I was in was unheard of.

    And nearly everything for animals is a ripoff, worse than humans.
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    Dennis love you to pieces... Take a look at the link below. These people were recommended to me by somebody on this board when I had my Pepper at end of life care... I put my mom's cat old the elderly cat tincture and he was a totally different kitty in 3 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I took Hermione to see the oncologist today. We had a 90 minute consult. We discussed every possible treatment regimen, the success rates, impact on quality-of-life, duration and cost. For now, I'm taking her back in the morning for radiation treatment. I'll pick her up friday afternoon. At the same time, she'll get a medication to strengthen her bones. Evidently the cancer makes the bones more susceptible to fracture, and if that happens she'd have to be put down immediately. The radiation treatment, though expensive, is actually less than I was anticipating. However that bone medication is over $500 a dose! Even drugs for animals are a ripoff. Anyway, I'll post more when I get home later.
    It is hard having to treat or not treat an animal.

    We had a beloved Old English Sheep Dog that got cancer. We went to a couple of different vets and ended up at a clinic that specialized in oncological treatments. We put that dog through a battery of tests and treatments, each with their own side affects. We managed to achieve remission in hat only lasted a few months. We ended up spending around $10k and we would do it again if it helped with quality and duration of life.

    Everyone has to make their own decisions but we vowed never to put an animal through that again. I felt selfish in making him go through all that because of our love for him.

    I have a Great Pyranese right now that has a fatty deposit the size of a grapefruit. She is 12 YO in a breed that has an average 8-10 year lifespan. We get it checked frequently at the vet but after discussing the surgerical option we decided not to put her through that given her age and just maximize the time we have left with her.

    I hope she Hermione responds well to treatment and recovers well, prayers said.
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    Hope things work out well and that she has a bit more time left...
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    Prayers for you both, hope she tolerates the treatment well!

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    prayers

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    My best to you and her sir, I'm still do sorry about this. Breaks my heart to see animals with issues.

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    Hi Dennis,

    I'll be praying this radiation treatment works for Hermione.

    My dog's eye vet has a new eye doc working with him - when we saw this new vet in October last year told me that he had a GSD that looked just like Jazzy. He said he was paranoid about his dog getting something so every 6 months he had total blood work done and yearly CT scans (or x-rays - it was one of these) of her chest/abdomen. (I bet he got a nice discount.)

    Then at 11 years old his dog was diagnosed with brain cancer!

    He said 'Dang, if I'd known she was going to get brain cancer I would have had CT scans of her brain done every year! (This guy was serious! Who can afford that, right?)

    He then said 'I let them talk me into radiation treatments for her." So I said, "So... she died anyway?"

    He said 'Oh no! She had two more really good years and then not such a good year and then died of something else."

    He said he was so glad they talked him into it.

    There you go.

    I hope and pray that Hermione is one of these success stories!!
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    Prayers continue, Dennis! Hugs to you and Hermione both!
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    Praying mightily for both Hermione and you in my morning rosary. V

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    Now that I’m home, here’s what I learned today. The radiation is localized to the cancer site. It’s considered palliative care because it doesn’t kill the cancer. Rather, it stops it from growing for a period of months. She’ll be sore for a couple days after, then should be fine. Only the chemo will kill the cancer (and even then eventually it will return.) The chemo drug they’d use (should I decide to proceed) is “carboplatin”. Four doses are given with three weeks between each. I was told that oddly enough, dogs tolerate the chemo drug with very little nausea or other side effects. According to the doctor, a combination of the radiation and chemo averages roughly a year of “quality life” afterward for this kind of cancer. Considering hermione’s age, I really don’t know if it’d be worth it. But once the radiation has been done, I can decide at a more leisurely pace whether or not to proceed.

    Understand folks, that my goal is not necessarily to extend her life. Rather, it’s to extend the PAIN-FREE time she has left. The doc told me that normally, dogs with this cancer are ultimately euthanized due to pain. Now, an additional thing to consider. Most large dogs her age are really sedate. They pretty much have no real activities and just kind-of lay around and sleep. Now, she certainly spends a lot of time sleeping, but when we go out each day, she’s hopping and running around full of life, and plays tug with me as strongly as when she was a pup. Her eyes are clear and bright, and she still smiles all the time, with that happy look that most of you have seen so many times. This, more than anything else, is why I want to do this for her. Everyone at the oncology clinic was absolutely amazed at how alert and active she was. They couldn’t belive she was 12, and said she acted like a dog half her age. (Moral of that story: give your dogs green-lipped Sea Mussel extract/MSM/chondroitin supps as soon as they’re past puberty, and keep giving them every day as long as they live.)

    I started giving those to Aja when she came up lame with hip dysplasia, and within 2 months she was runnng again, and a month after that she was back at Warp 9. My regular vet said she’d need the top of her femur removed. He was astounded when I told him of her progress. (I did the same with Hermione at age 2 ˝ when she was also diagnosed with dysplasia, and here she is a decade later, able to keep up with dogs half her age. Well, for a little while anyway. I also gave it to Annie, who when I first got her could only walk about 100 ft, and after 2-3 months was going all the way down to the end of the street, often at a trot!) It was recommended to me by one of the vets at the University of Minnesota Veterenary Sciences School/clinic. I listened.

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    Praying for a pain free Hermione! Also for healing. Miracles do happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compchyk View Post
    Dennis love you to pieces... Take a look at the link below. These people were recommended to me by somebody on this board when I had my Pepper at end of life care... I put my mom's cat old the elderly cat tincture and he was a totally different kitty in 3 days.

    Here's the cancer support one:
    https://www.petwellbeing.com/products/dog-cancer


    Huggs to the pup... Hope this helps you make her days comfortable...

    Compchyk’s suggestion is a very good one. There are several well known recipes that have long histories of treating and curing cancers - in humans AND other animals. The ingredients listed in this tincture combo are ones that I have personally used (among many therapies) to treat throat cancer (Dx’ed ‘98.) Yep, coming up on 20 years. I have spoken by phone to some of the folks, here, who can tell you I still have my own voice. One of our MODS knows a lot of my kin so you can check out the truth of it.

    I find that most folks just find it hard to believe there are God-given remedies to cancers and chronic diseases. Most often they listen to the docs tell them they need treatments that will kill the cancer. Sadly, those treatments destroy immune systems and don’t prevent the return of disease.

    BTW, one important thing to keep in mind with natural therapies is to use high enough therapeutic dosing for effect. Sometimes people “try” or “taste” a therapy at levels that can have little or no effect, then claim the natural therapy didn’t work. Or they kill off their immune system first and sometimes the natural treatments don’t have enough God-given systems to work. In both cases natural remedies get bad (if undeserved) press.

    The story of how HOXEY found his formula owes to his observation of horses curing their own cancers by grazing on the herbs & roots that he subsequently incorporated in HOXEY tincture. Probably won’t take much to convince folks here that critters can be smarter that people.
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    Deciding what course and level of medical intervention for four footed family is beyond difficult.
    Sounds a bit "woo" perhaps, but last time I faced the dilemma, I ended up asking my girl what
    she wanted to do- Keep fighting, or transition. She'd always wagged her tail and hunted for treats
    those times. The last time she didn't, and I took her at her word. I hope everything becomes as
    clear to you, and you find peace, both now, and then.
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    ...anyone figure if the Gerson Cancer Diet might work on dogs?

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    Hoping the treatment helps her!
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    Will be keeping her and you in my prayers...miracles do happen!
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    Some good news thank you for updating us.

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    Praying in agreement!
    2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. - 2 Tim 3 NIV

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    In trying to decide what to do when considering treatment for my dog is "Would I want this done to me?" Radiation will burn her; I would imagine she'd be "sore." Chemo is a toxic poison which kills good cells as well as bad. I'd put Wink through more than she should have had to endure at the end and have never forgiven myself. Just sayin.' I respect you are her human and know you'll do the best you can. Prayers for Hermoine's health and God's strength and guidance for you as you go through this, it's heartbreaking. Love you Dennis!

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    Have you considered cannibus oil? My son's mother in law's tumors are shrinking and disappearing and she was give 3-6 months to live.

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    I’m looking into it, yes.

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    Sigh..I sure wish you well. I also grieve with you but pray for improvement!

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    prayers for you and she as you progress through this. tough decisions ahead. suggest that you take a very close look at the tincture as recommended by compchyk and seconded by cjoi. I would have done that with schweepe had I know about it.
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    I hope you can buy her some time.

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    I don't know how much time it will buy her. But as long as her time left is PAIN-FREE time, I'm happy to do that. None of us wants to be in pain, be we two-legged or four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I’m looking into it, yes.
    I have been thinking about it for my DH, my son said you either have to have a prescription for it or make it yourself. Frankly I'm not into making it myself. If you find a source please PM me. I'm still praying for you Dennis.

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    She's at the vet currently for her radiation treatment. I'll have to bring her back tomorrow for the second one.

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    Prayers for Hermione.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    (Moral of that story: give your dogs green-lipped Sea Mussel extract/MSM/chondroitin supps as soon as they’re past puberty, and keep giving them every day as long as they live.)
    Amen! Every one of our four dogs has had his own supplement routine that they got every night at bedtime. I am convinced that is why each lived 13 or 14 years. As soon as 3 month old Ziggy is old enough, he too will start a regime.
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    Well, shes back home after the first radiation session. She also got a dose of Pamindronate, a med used to help keep her humerus from fracturing because of the cancer. I have to take her back in the morning for the second round of radiation. She ate a full, big dinner tonight, and doesn’t seem to be in pain at all. I got smiles tonight when she got home. Aja was all over her of course, sniffing her head to foot.

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    Prayers for you both!!
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    Understand folks, that my goal is not necessarily to extend her life. Rather, it’s to extend the PAIN-FREE time she has left. The doc told me that normally, dogs with this cancer are ultimately euthanized due to pain. Now, an additional thing to consider. Most large dogs her age are really sedate. They pretty much have no real activities and just kind-of lay around and sleep. Now, she certainly spends a lot of time sleeping, but when we go out each day, she’s hopping and running around full of life, and plays tug with me as strongly as when she was a pup. Her eyes are clear and bright, and she still smiles all the time, with that happy look that most of you have seen so many times. This, more than anything else, is why I want to do this for her. Everyone at the oncology clinic was absolutely amazed at how alert and active she was. They couldn’t believe she was 12, and said she acted like a dog half her age.
    That was such a beautiful testament Dennis.

    You and your dogs are truly gifted with mutual love and the Lord's blessings.

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    RB, one I came up with myself specifically related to dogs:

    They take care of us when they’re young; we take care of them when they’re old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Well, shes back home after the first radiation session. She also got a dose of Pamindronate, a med used to help keep her humerus from fracturing because of the cancer. I have to take her back in the morning for the second round of radiation. She ate a full, big dinner tonight, and doesn’t seem to be in pain at all. I got smiles tonight when she got home. Aja was all over her of course, sniffing her head to foot.
    Better than mine that would try to have their noses up their butts for the 1st hour.
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    Well, her radiation treatments are over. I’m betting she’s pretty sore. When I went to pick her up today, I spoke to one of the techs first for a few minutes. Suddenly I started hearing a very loud howling from someplace in the building. Sounded like a hound dog. I finally asked where the dog was that was howling like that, and she said “That’s your dog.” I’d never heard her make that noise in my life. She was desperate for me to come and take her home. Really, I’ve never heard her make that sound. It was awful.

    I saw her X-ray today. The upper part of her right leg bone is honeycombed from the cancer. I take her back for a checkup in two weeks, and the oncologist and I will discuss where to take her treatment, or even whether or not to treat her further.

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    Makes my heart ache to read that.
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