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CHAT Took Hermione to the doggie oncologist today - UPDATE, post 39; puppy pics, post 55
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    Took Hermione to the doggie oncologist today - UPDATE, post 39; puppy pics, post 55

    I took Hermione to see the oncologist today. We had a 90 minute consult. We discussed every possible treatment regimen, the success rates, impact on quality-of-life, duration and cost. For now, I'm taking her back in the morning for radiation treatment. I'll pick her up friday afternoon. At the same time, she'll get a medication to strengthen her bones. Evidently the cancer makes the bones more susceptible to fracture, and if that happens she'd have to be put down immediately. The radiation treatment, though expensive, is actually less than I was anticipating. However that bone medication is over $500 a dose! Even drugs for animals are a ripoff. Anyway, I'll post more when I get home later.

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    Good luck. This typre of treatment when I was in was unheard of.

    And nearly everything for animals is a ripoff, worse than humans.
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    Dennis love you to pieces... Take a look at the link below. These people were recommended to me by somebody on this board when I had my Pepper at end of life care... I put my mom's cat old the elderly cat tincture and he was a totally different kitty in 3 days.

    Here's the cancer support one:
    https://www.petwellbeing.com/products/dog-cancer


    Huggs to the pup... Hope this helps you make her days comfortable...
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    Hope things work out well and that she has a bit more time left...
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    Prayers for you both, hope she tolerates the treatment well!

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    My best to you and her sir, I'm still do sorry about this. Breaks my heart to see animals with issues.

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    Hi Dennis,

    I'll be praying this radiation treatment works for Hermione.

    My dog's eye vet has a new eye doc working with him - when we saw this new vet in October last year told me that he had a GSD that looked just like Jazzy. He said he was paranoid about his dog getting something so every 6 months he had total blood work done and yearly CT scans (or x-rays - it was one of these) of her chest/abdomen. (I bet he got a nice discount.)

    Then at 11 years old his dog was diagnosed with brain cancer!

    He said 'Dang, if I'd known she was going to get brain cancer I would have had CT scans of her brain done every year! (This guy was serious! Who can afford that, right?)

    He then said 'I let them talk me into radiation treatments for her." So I said, "So... she died anyway?"

    He said 'Oh no! She had two more really good years and then not such a good year and then died of something else."

    He said he was so glad they talked him into it.

    There you go.

    I hope and pray that Hermione is one of these success stories!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by compchyk View Post
    Dennis love you to pieces... Take a look at the link below. These people were recommended to me by somebody on this board when I had my Pepper at end of life care... I put my mom's cat old the elderly cat tincture and he was a totally different kitty in 3 days.

    Here's the cancer support one:
    https://www.petwellbeing.com/products/dog-cancer


    Huggs to the pup... Hope this helps you make her days comfortable...

    Compchyk’s suggestion is a very good one. There are several well known recipes that have long histories of treating and curing cancers - in humans AND other animals. The ingredients listed in this tincture combo are ones that I have personally used (among many therapies) to treat throat cancer (Dx’ed ‘98.) Yep, coming up on 20 years. I have spoken by phone to some of the folks, here, who can tell you I still have my own voice. One of our MODS knows a lot of my kin so you can check out the truth of it.

    I find that most folks just find it hard to believe there are God-given remedies to cancers and chronic diseases. Most often they listen to the docs tell them they need treatments that will kill the cancer. Sadly, those treatments destroy immune systems and don’t prevent the return of disease.

    BTW, one important thing to keep in mind with natural therapies is to use high enough therapeutic dosing for effect. Sometimes people “try” or “taste” a therapy at levels that can have little or no effect, then claim the natural therapy didn’t work. Or they kill off their immune system first and sometimes the natural treatments don’t have enough God-given systems to work. In both cases natural remedies get bad (if undeserved) press.

    The story of how HOXEY found his formula owes to his observation of horses curing their own cancers by grazing on the herbs & roots that he subsequently incorporated in HOXEY tincture. Probably won’t take much to convince folks here that critters can be smarter that people.
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    Well, shes back home after the first radiation session. She also got a dose of Pamindronate, a med used to help keep her humerus from fracturing because of the cancer. I have to take her back in the morning for the second round of radiation. She ate a full, big dinner tonight, and doesn’t seem to be in pain at all. I got smiles tonight when she got home. Aja was all over her of course, sniffing her head to foot.

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    Prayers for you both!!
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    Understand folks, that my goal is not necessarily to extend her life. Rather, it’s to extend the PAIN-FREE time she has left. The doc told me that normally, dogs with this cancer are ultimately euthanized due to pain. Now, an additional thing to consider. Most large dogs her age are really sedate. They pretty much have no real activities and just kind-of lay around and sleep. Now, she certainly spends a lot of time sleeping, but when we go out each day, she’s hopping and running around full of life, and plays tug with me as strongly as when she was a pup. Her eyes are clear and bright, and she still smiles all the time, with that happy look that most of you have seen so many times. This, more than anything else, is why I want to do this for her. Everyone at the oncology clinic was absolutely amazed at how alert and active she was. They couldn’t believe she was 12, and said she acted like a dog half her age.
    That was such a beautiful testament Dennis.

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    RB, one I came up with myself specifically related to dogs:

    They take care of us when they’re young; we take care of them when they’re old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Well, shes back home after the first radiation session. She also got a dose of Pamindronate, a med used to help keep her humerus from fracturing because of the cancer. I have to take her back in the morning for the second round of radiation. She ate a full, big dinner tonight, and doesn’t seem to be in pain at all. I got smiles tonight when she got home. Aja was all over her of course, sniffing her head to foot.
    Better than mine that would try to have their noses up their butts for the 1st hour.
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    Well, her radiation treatments are over. I’m betting she’s pretty sore. When I went to pick her up today, I spoke to one of the techs first for a few minutes. Suddenly I started hearing a very loud howling from someplace in the building. Sounded like a hound dog. I finally asked where the dog was that was howling like that, and she said “That’s your dog.” I’d never heard her make that noise in my life. She was desperate for me to come and take her home. Really, I’ve never heard her make that sound. It was awful.

    I saw her X-ray today. The upper part of her right leg bone is honeycombed from the cancer. I take her back for a checkup in two weeks, and the oncologist and I will discuss where to take her treatment, or even whether or not to treat her further.

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    Makes my heart ache to read that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Well, her radiation treatments are over. I’m betting she’s pretty sore. When I went to pick her up today, I spoke to one of the techs first for a few minutes. Suddenly I started hearing a very loud howling from someplace in the building. Sounded like a hound dog. I finally asked where the dog was that was howling like that, and she said “That’s your dog.” I’d never heard her make that noise in my life. She was desperate for me to come and take her home. Really, I’ve never heard her make that sound. It was awful.

    I saw her X-ray today. The upper part of her right leg bone is honeycombed from the cancer. I take her back for a checkup in two weeks, and the oncologist and I will discuss where to take her treatment, or even whether or not to treat her further.
    I am so sorry that Hermione was so heart broken to be at the vet's like that. Ours always hated it and we never left them overnight unless it was completely necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Well, her radiation treatments are over. I’m betting she’s pretty sore. When I went to pick her up today, I spoke to one of the techs first for a few minutes. Suddenly I started hearing a very loud howling from someplace in the building. Sounded like a hound dog. I finally asked where the dog was that was howling like that, and she said “That’s your dog.” I’d never heard her make that noise in my life. She was desperate for me to come and take her home. Really, I’ve never heard her make that sound. It was awful.

    I saw her X-ray today. The upper part of her right leg bone is honeycombed from the cancer. I take her back for a checkup in two weeks, and the oncologist and I will discuss where to take her treatment, or even whether or not to treat her further.
    Dennis
    been following this thread since it's inception; holding you and Hermione as well as the rest of your pack in prayer. many wise words sent in your direction and certainly lots of love for both you and she. it's obvious that Hermione sensed your presence, scented or heard you. that she howled for you like that is heartbreaking in so many ways.

    many of us here have lost big dogs to osteo sarc - we have lost FOUR Rotts to it. it's very mean very aggressive disease. that her x rays looked "honeycombed" is it's classic "soap bubble" appearance on plain film - it favors the ends of long bones and it likes to go to the chest. it will show up there as little white flecks in the lung fields.

    the last dog we lost to it was Noah. he was on the porch over looking our pasture when the UPS man (Dave) came to deliver. Noah loved Dave and Dave always had a cookie for him. Dave tossed the cookie up to Noah and Noah jumped to catch it. when he came down he path fractured through a tumor at the top of his left shoulder. he was gone the next day. Dave who had 3 GSD's of his own was in tears over it for weeks; us for longer than that. we didn't know about the tumor; he hadn't been limping and he hadn't been whimpering that we noticed (we would have been very aware of BOTH)- nothing to suggest he was in any pain.

    I'm telling you all this because I seem to recall earlier in this thread that you'd mentioned you hoped she'd be to be able to run and play some again (or words to that affect). when Moses had his first spinal surgery, after 3 months of recovery the vet told us - in fact encouraged us - to "let him be a dog" again - to "let him off leash". well 6 weeks after that last post op visit with the vet, Moses had a second spinal surgery for yet ANOTHER herniated lumbar disc.

    Noah illustrates how fragile that bone can be; Moses illustrates how easily it is for us to fail to recognize - FOR THEM - how easily they can be hurt/re injured. it's a tough thing - ALL THE WAY AROUND - becasue we want them to be "normal" and they simply CAN NOT be normal again after these types of events.

    hope that you are not misinterpreting the message here. we ALL love you and care very much both you and Hermione.

    prayers continue from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Well, her radiation treatments are over. I’m betting she’s pretty sore. When I went to pick her up today, I spoke to one of the techs first for a few minutes. Suddenly I started hearing a very loud howling from someplace in the building. Sounded like a hound dog. I finally asked where the dog was that was howling like that, and she said “That’s your dog.” I’d never heard her make that noise in my life. She was desperate for me to come and take her home. Really, I’ve never heard her make that sound. It was awful.

    I saw her X-ray today. The upper part of her right leg bone is honeycombed from the cancer. I take her back for a checkup in two weeks, and the oncologist and I will discuss where to take her treatment, or even whether or not to treat her further.
    Oh Dear Lord!!! Hearing her that PAIN had to be heartbreaking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I took Hermione to see the oncologist today. We had a 90 minute consult. We discussed every possible treatment regimen, the success rates, impact on quality-of-life, duration and cost. For now, I'm taking her back in the morning for radiation treatment. I'll pick her up friday afternoon. At the same time, she'll get a medication to strengthen her bones. Evidently the cancer makes the bones more susceptible to fracture, and if that happens she'd have to be put down immediately. The radiation treatment, though expensive, is actually less than I was anticipating. However that bone medication is over $500 a dose! Even drugs for animals are a ripoff. Anyway, I'll post more when I get home later.
    It is hard having to treat or not treat an animal.

    We had a beloved Old English Sheep Dog that got cancer. We went to a couple of different vets and ended up at a clinic that specialized in oncological treatments. We put that dog through a battery of tests and treatments, each with their own side affects. We managed to achieve remission in hat only lasted a few months. We ended up spending around $10k and we would do it again if it helped with quality and duration of life.

    Everyone has to make their own decisions but we vowed never to put an animal through that again. I felt selfish in making him go through all that because of our love for him.

    I have a Great Pyranese right now that has a fatty deposit the size of a grapefruit. She is 12 YO in a breed that has an average 8-10 year lifespan. We get it checked frequently at the vet but after discussing the surgerical option we decided not to put her through that given her age and just maximize the time we have left with her.

    I hope she Hermione responds well to treatment and recovers well, prayers said.
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