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INTL Getting freaky in Iran and Jordan right now.....
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  1. #201
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    My question is, what/who is waiting in the wings to take the reins of power?
    Deo adjuvante non timendum - With God Helping, Nothing is to be Feared
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    "No man knows but that the last backward glance over his shoulder may be his last look, forever." - Ernie Pyle Born: 1900 KIA: 1945 Shima, Okinawa

  2. #202
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    Then comes algebra, and this claim, as well as the others, is utter nonsense. A Muslim, Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Musa, is often described as the originator of algebra. But Abu Ja’far lived between 780 and 850 AD; algebra initiated in ancient Babylon, Egypt, and Athens, 2,500 years before Abu Ja’far was born.

    Next is optics, which also began long before Islam, in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, where lenses were developed by artisans working from theories the Greek philosophers.
    Research and document those two branching out from them. Print and save electronically. The truth is soon to be buried, don't let it die. My .02
    Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts...

  3. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    My question is, what/who is waiting in the wings to take the reins of power?
    My thoughts exactly.

  4. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayku View Post
    A lot of the knowledge was coopted by the muslims. Revisionist history has attempted to obscure that fact, but there were too many people (such as the Ossetic people) who carried it out, and too many artifacts spirited out for the revision to be completely buried.
    like the very tall skeletons in USA

    whats the name? smithsonion?

    anything that does not reflect 'modern' consciousness, is buried or forever hidden

  5. #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayku View Post
    Research and document those two branching out from them. Print and save electronically. The truth is soon to be buried, don't let it die. My .02
    A little levity in these stressful times and events:

    Weapons of Math Instruction

    A teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport as he
    attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a
    compass, a slide-rule and a calculator.

    At a morning press conference, the Attorney General said he believes the
    man is a member of the notorious Al-Gebra movement. He did not identify the
    man, who has been charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math

    "Al-Gebra is a problem for us," the Attorney General said. "They derive
    solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in search
    of absolute values." They use secret code names like 'X' and 'Y' and refer
    to themselves as "unknowns", but we have determined that they belong to a
    common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every

    As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, 'There are 3 sides to every triangle'.

    When asked to comment on the arrest, President Obama said, "If God had
    wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, he would have given us
    more fingers and toes." White House aides told reporters they could not
    recall a more intelligent or profound statement by the President. It is
    believed that the Nobel Prize for Physics will follow.
    "...Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the cats of war..."
    Razor sharpening while you wait - Occam
    If it works, it doesn't have enough features. - Windows 10 design philosophy.
    Forget the beer, I'm just here for the doom!
    Humans, just a tool for amino acids to make Swiss watches.

  6. #206
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    The Islamic Republic of Iran is doomed

    But things are likely to get much, much worse before they — eventually — get better.

    By Ray Takeyh 1/2/18, 7:21 PM CET Updated 1/2/18, 9:59 PM CET

    The protests sweeping Iran belie the once popular notion that the spirit of the Green Revolution that nearly toppled the Islamic Republic in 2009 has been extinguished. It is possible that an Islamist regime with little compunction about killing its own citizens will survive this latest challenge to its authority. Should it survive, the Iranian theocracy will not be the same, with the principal casualty of this week being the presidency of Hassan Rouhani. As the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and his hard-line disciples assess their predicament, they are likely to hunker down and insist on more repression at home.

    Rouhani, a long-time functionary of the regime, run a cynical and subversive presidential campaign in 2017. Facing a formidable hard-line opponent in Ebrahem Raisi, Rouhani spent much of his reelection campaign castigating official corruption and even alluded to one of the regime’s darkest chapters, the mass murder of political prisoners in the summer of 1988. He promised rapid economic growth, a human rights charter and an accountable government. Rouhani, who as one the stalwarts of the regime had participated in all of its previous acts of repression, particularly the student uprisings of 1999 and the Green revolt of 2009, had no intention of enacting such sweeping reforms. This was cheap politics that led to popular disaffection and finally the nationwide protest we’re seeing now. His presidency is all but crippled as he has lost the confidence of both the public and the conservative oligarchs who abjure all reform as a dangerous pathway to the regime’s collapse.

    As Rouhani’s presidency lingers, Khamenei and the hard-liners are likely to use their commanding institutional power to finally impose their vision of pristine Islamist rule. In their eyes, both reformers and centrists stand suspect today as their promises have only provoked popular insurrections. Iran’s conservatives are imbued with an ideology that views the essential purpose of the state as the realization of God’s will on Earth. Such an exalted task mandates the assumption of power not by tentative moderates but devout revolutionaries. Given such ideological inclinations, the hard-liners are utterly contemptuous of democratic accountability and are unconcerned about their loss of popularity and widespread dissatisfaction with theocratic rule. The legitimacy of state does not rest on the collective will but on a mandate from heaven. From this point, Iran’s elections are likely to be even more circumscribed with all but Khamenei’s loyalists prevented from running for office. The Revolutionary Guards, a paramilitary force that answers to the supreme leader, will be more empowered as they are the last guardians of the theocracy. Iran will move into one of its darker ages, with escalating repression, censorship and the imposition of onerous cultural strictures.

    Nor is this anachronistic vision limited to political organization. For years, Khamenei has insisted on a “resistance economy” that would wean itself off oil exports, seek to protect domestic industries from overseas competition, avoid trade with the West in favor of local markets and keep its funds out of international banks. Rouhani had sought to rely on foreign investments to regenerate the economy, a policy always distrusted by a supreme leader suspicious of the West and enchanted by notions of self-sufficiency and self-reliance. For the hard-liners, integration into the global economy is a trap that could unleash liberalizing forces that would overwhelm their regime and threaten their divine experiment. Iran’s austere economy is unlikely to raise the people’s standards of living, but the revolution can only survive in isolation from the West.

    Even though Iran’s relentless imperialism is denounced by the protesters who do not want to see their nation’s assets wasted in Arab civil wars, the hard-liners aren’t likely to change course. This was always a revolution without a border, and given the collapse of the regional state system, the Islamic Republic sees unique opportunities to project its power. Tehran is too proud of its Hezbollah protégé in Lebanon, too invested in the Syrian civil war and too involved in the murky politics of Iraq to dispense with foreign adventurism just because it is becoming a financial burden. Imperialism has always been tempting to revolutionaries despite the fact that its costs usually outweigh its benefits. The revamped conservative regime in Iran is likely to be even more aggressive in enabling its allies.

    All this spells doom for the Republic of Virtue. The Islamic Republic is entering a period of prolonged transition where it will no longer be able to proffer a theocracy with a human face. The reformists who once exhilarated the public with their quest to harmonize Islamic injunctions with democratic norms have long been cast aside. Rouhani, who was to refurbish the regime’s battered legitimacy in the aftermath of the Green Revolution, has become a victim of the rising expectations that he cynically stimulated. The gap between state and society has never been wider, as the public seeks a responsive democracy while the theocracy’s diminishing cadre insist on even more repressive and isolated government. Revolutionaries who eschew reform and condemn pragmatism as sinful diversion from the path of God are destined for the dustbin of history. In the end, Iran’s revolution is an impossible one, as it created a theocracy that cannot reform itself and accommodate the aspirations of its restless and youthful citizens. The tragedy of Ali Khamenei is that in consolidating his revolution, he is ensuring the eventual demise of his regime.

    Ray Takeyh is Hasib J. Sabbagh Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

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  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfall2005 View Post
    Large movement to dear Iranian leader's residence.
    More undocumented planes leaving iran.
    Possible answer to the undoc planes. Iran is bringing in arab knee breakers for security issues. Which is very interesting. Seems the reports if Iranian security joining protesters hit a cord. Or the general low energy response from Iranian security. Regardless the reason. Expect a step up response from Iran security.
    Less typing, more prepping.

  8. #208
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    #World News January 3, 2018 / 12:12 AM / Updated 6 minutes ago

    Iran deploys Revolutionary Guards to quell 'sedition' in protest hotbeds

    Bozorgmehr Sharafedin
    7 Min Read

    LONDON (Reuters) - Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards have deployed forces to three provinces to put down an eruption of anti-government unrest after six days of protests that have rattled the clerical leadership and left 21 people dead.

    The protests, which began last week out of frustration over economic hardships suffered by the youth and working class, have evolved into a rising against the powers and privileges of a remote elite especially Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    Defying threats from the judiciary of execution if convicted of rioting, protests resumed after nightfall with hundreds hitting the streets of Malayer in Hamadan province chanting: “People are begging, the supreme leader is acting like God!”

    Videos carried by social media showed protesters in the northern town of Nowshahr shouted “death to the dictator” - an apparent reference to Khamenei.

    In a sign of official concern about the resilience of the protests, the Revolutionary Guards commander, Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari, said he had dispatched forces to Hamadan, Isfahan and Lorestan provinces to tackle “the new sedition”.

    Most of the casualties among protesters have occurred in those regions of the sprawling Islamic Republic.

    The Revolutionary Guards, the sword and shield of Iran’s Shi‘ite theocracy, were instrumental in suppressing an uprising over alleged election fraud in 2009 in which dozens of mainly middle-class protesters were killed. Khamenei condemned that unrest as “sedition”.

    Anti-government rallies, held in defiance of the pervasive security services, have called for the downfall of the Islamic Republic, posing one of the most sustained challenges to the established order of the major oil-exporting state since the 1979 Islamic Revolution that overthrew the U.S.-backed Shah.

    In a state-sponsored show of force aimed at countering the outpouring of dissent, thousands of Iranians also took part in pro-government rallies in several cities on Wednesday morning.

    State television broadcast live footage of rallies in cities across the country, where marchers waved Iranian flags and portraits of Khamenei, Iran’s paramount leader since 1989.

    Pro-government marchers chanted, “The blood in our veins is a gift to our leader (Khamenei),” and, “We will not leave our leader alone.” They accused the United States, Israel and Britain of inciting protests, shouting, “The seditionist rioters should be executed!”

    In the Shi‘ite holy city of Qom, pro-government demonstrators chanted “death to American mercenaries”.

    On Tuesday, the 78-year-old Khamenei had accused Iran’s adversaries of fomenting the protests.

    U.S. President Donald Trump, who has sought to isolate the Tehran leadership, reversing the conciliatory approach of predecessor Barack Obama, said Washington would throw its support behind the protesters at a suitable time.

    “Such respect for the people of Iran as they try to take back their corrupt government. You will see great support from the United States at the appropriate time!” Trump wrote in the latest of a series of tweets on Iran’s turmoil.

    The protests seem to be spontaneous, without a clear leader, cropping up in working-class neighborhoods and smaller cities, but the movement seems to be gaining traction among the educated middle class and activists who spearheaded the 2009 revolt.

    More than 100 Iranian woman activists voiced support for a new uprising in a statement on Wednesday. Several prominent Iranian lawyers, including Nobel Peace Prize laureate Shirin Ebadi, urged Tehran to respect people’s right to freedom of assembly and expression, guaranteed under the constitution.

    Some labor unions as well as minority Kurdish opposition groups have also thrown their weight behind the protests.

    In Geneva, the U.N. human rights chief urged Iran to rein in security forces to avoid further violence and respect the right of protesters to freedoms of expression and peaceful assembly.

    Zeid Ra‘ad al-Hussein, U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, said hundreds of Iranians had been arrested in the past week, and called for “thorough, independent and impartial investigations of all acts of violence”.

    Hamidreza Abolhassani, a regional judicial official, said a European citizen had been arrested for leading rioters in the Borujerd area of western Iran and was suspected of having been “trained by European intelligence services”. The detainee’s nationality was not given.

    The outburst of dissent is the most serious since Iranians took to the streets in 2009 over accusations of vote-rigging in the re-election of then-President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative hardliner, over two reformist challengers.

    The protests have heaped pressure on President Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate who championed a deal struck with world powers in 2015 to curb Iran’s disputed nuclear program in return for the lifting of most international sanctions.

    Many of the protesters are fuming over what they see as the failure so far of Rouhani’s government to deliver on promises of more jobs and investment as a dividend of the nuclear accord.

    Anger over economic stagnation and reputed graft within the clerical and security hierarchies has been building since last month. Thousands joined a hashtag campaign on Twitter and other sites to vent frustration over the dragging pace of reforms to tackle high unemployment and grant more social freedoms.

    Khamenei and Rouhani have vowed to crack down on high-level corruption and create economic prosperity for all Iranians.

    But there have been few changes. The Revolutionary Guards, for example, still control a vast, lucrative economic empire.

    While more than 20 million out of 80 million Iranians live below the poverty line, the wealthy, including relatives of government officials, import tens of thousands of luxury cars every year, causing widespread resentment.

    Trump has said in tweets that Iranians have lost patience with alleged graft and what he called a terrorist regime.

    Trump must decide by mid-January whether to continue waiving U.S. sanctions on Iran’s oil exports under terms of the nuclear deal he opposed. But if reimposes sanctions, he risks worsening the economic pain of Iranians he has vowed to help.

    “If the Americans’ sympathy with Iranians were real, they would have not imposed cruel sanctions on the our nation,” Jafari, the Revolutionary Guards commander, said on Wednesday.

    Reporting by Bozorgmehr Sharafedin, with; additional reporting by Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva and Doina Chiacu in Washington; editing by Mark Heinrich

    Related Coverage

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  9. #209
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    MAP: Spread of unrest in Iran on 6th day of anti-government protests. - @hra_news

  10. #210

    US officially denies any role in Iranian protests

  11. #211

    Erdogan: Rouhani said Iran situation to stablise by weekend

    Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has said Iranian President Hassan Rouhani assured him that the situation in Iran, where protests have left 21 people dead, will stabilise in a day or two.

    Erdogan also said in the interview, broadcast on Thursday by the French televisions stations LCI and TF1, that foreigners were acting as provocateurs in Iran, echoing comments by Iranian leaders after a week of unrest in towns across the country.

    "I talked with Mr Rouhani on the phone and ... the situation will stabilise within a day or two, there's no need to be worried, that's what they told me," Erdogan said in comments dubbed into French, later adding that Rouhani had told him the situation "would be back to normal by the weekend".,...066577,00.html

  12. #212
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    2004 Soviet of Washington
    Irrespective of the mullahs claims that the situation will stabilize in 24 hours, that is not happening and there are a lot of demonstrations around the country.
    And the Liberal media takes a pass on the HR abuses in Iran, and focuses on something shiny about President Trump and Mr. Bannon written by a serial fake news shill.
    The number of dead is increasing.

    M. Hanif Jazayeri
    ‏ @HanifJazayeri
    5m5 minutes ago

    Iranians outwit the authorities & find new way to join #IranProtests even as suppressive forces close all pedestrian paths to site of rally in Kermanshah (west #Iran) tonight Day 8. All the cars are endlessly honking their horns in sign of solidarity. via #MEK activists #FreeIran

    ‏Verified account @Infographic_ksa
    9m9 minutes ago

    The protests in #Iran has entered its second week where the number of people killed rose to 25 people and those arrested by security forces reached 1000

    Botin Kurdistani
    ‏ @kurdistannews24
    9m9 minutes ago

    Caught on camera: The moment that Iranian regime’s Snipers in high-rise buildings shooting at protesters with real bullets #IranProtests #تظاهرات_سراسرى #يحدث_الان_في_ايران #IranProtest #TwitterKurds #IranUprising #iran @CNN #شما , @Reuters @AFP

    ‏ @NaderNseraj904
    11m11 minutes ago

    Day 8 of #Iranprotests - #Tehran Jomhuri square happening tonight massive demonstration by anti-government protesters who want #FreeIran #Iranprotests #RegimeChange #No2Rouhan

    ‏ @MostafaMe4
    12m12 minutes ago

    #Iran death toll rises amid anti-government protests
    Based on #NCRI report received from #PMOI network inside Iran number of victims is 45

    ‏ @revolution1688
    3m3 minutes ago

    theresistance1688 Retweeted محمد مجيد الأحوازي

    Right now Thousands of people out in the streets of tehran chanting "death to khamenei"
    “Then the creatures of the high air answered to the battle, .., and the woods trembled and the wind sobbed telling them, the earth shook,; the witches of the valley, and the wolves of the forests, howled from every quarter and on every side of the armies, urging them against one another.”
    ― Lady Gregory, Gods and Fighting Men: The Story of the Tuatha De Danaan and the Fianna of Ireland

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    Here's What Makes Iran's Anti-Regime Protests Different This Time

    January 4, 2018 3:37 PM ET

    The protests that began last week in Iran are different from most unrest that has previously roiled the country since its 1979 revolution.

    They have covered more geography, engulfing small and midsize cities across the country. But they also have reportedly drawn smaller turnouts than the massive 2009 election protests in Tehran. Although more information is needed about the makeup of the demonstrators, significant differences have emerged. Iranian reformists and middle-class residents in large urban areas are reported to have largely steered clear this time around.

    Economic protests are not rare in Iran. When they occur it's usually in response to a specific government action.

    For example, Mashhad, the northeastern city where the latest demonstrations began, was rocked by protests and riots in 1992 after authorities tried to demolish homes built without permits in a squatter area on the city's periphery. Several police officers were killed, government buildings destroyed, hundreds were arrested and at least four protesters were executed.

    Don't Oversimplify The Protests In Iran
    Don't Oversimplify The Protests In Iran

    Then there was the 1994 protests in Qazvin, northwest Iran. That was triggered when the Iranian parliament's narrowly rejected legislation to create a new province with the city of Qazvin as its capital. But, like in Islamshahr, the structural adjustment policies of then-President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and high inflation were broader underlying factors. In a couple of years Qazvin did become a province a couple of years later.

    In 1995, protests in the squatter settlements of Islamshahr, on the southwestern outskirts of Tehran, were set off by an increase in public transportation costs. The domestic security forces of the Revolutionary Guard cracked down after protesters took over government and law enforcement buildings. It is not known how many people were killed.

    The latest protests are different in that they are spread out and simultaneous, probably thanks to the existence of social media and not necessarily in reaction to particular triggers specific to the cities involved. (Although, in Kermanshah, an inept government response to a recent earthquake may have been a delayed trigger.)

    The wider spread and simultaneity of the latest protests have led some outside observers, perhaps dreaming of regime change, to overlook key elements.

    The Key Players In The Iran Protests
    The Key Players In The Iran Protests

    The most significant missing element is the reported lack of a middle-class presence in protests within large urban areas. Many of these folks were key participants in the 2009 protests and, a few years later, instrumental in President Hassan Rouhani's election. The economic and political centrality of cities like Tehran, Tabriz and Isfahan makes their presence critical for a broad-based challenge of central authority.

    It's not that the many segments of the Iranian middle class are content with current conditions in Iran, the government or regime. Rather, they are ambivalent about the drivers behind the protests and implications for their personal security.

    Also missing is organizational leadership. This is partly due to the suppression of independent labor and nongovernmental organizations, which could provide conduits for citizens to air their grievances and demands to the government.

    To be sure, citizens have been encouraged to protest against the regime by certain leaders in exile — at least, until social media platforms such as Telegram were blocked. One of the most vocal advocates is Reza Pahlavi, the Washington-based son of the former shah of Iran. Another is Maryam Rajavi, the Saudi-funded, Paris-based head of a controversial Iranian resistance group called Mujahedeen-e-Khalq. But the latter is loathed inside Iran way more than the regime, and the former has failed to create and lead a viable and unified opposition outside of Iran. In any case, as a recent Iranian joke put it, "Iran already has one shah!"

    Wave Of Unrest Spreads Across Iran

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    Because the call for wholesale regime change largely comes from the outside, and without any linkages to the struggle for reform inside Iran, the country's reformist movement has distanced itself from the protests rather than try to give them direction and organization.

    None of the above is to suggest the demonstrations are without impact. The protests came suddenly and are a reminder of how quickly Iranian protests can get out of control, turn into international events and challenge the legitimacy of the whole national system. Unless the country's divided and discordant leadership can reach a consensus on changing the ways of the Islamic Republic, allowing independent organizations to form and effectively articulate the demands of the variegated society, Iran's leaders will be playing with fire, endangering the country's stability and security. It really doesn't matter if these protests are encouraged by "enemies of Iran," as Ayatollah Ali Khamenei suggested this week. The responsibility that encouragements to take to the streets succeeded inside Iran falls squarely on the shoulders of the Islamic Republic.

    Farideh Farhi is an independent scholar and affiliate graduate faculty at the University of Hawai'i at Manoa.

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    May the true Persians win.
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