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INTL Getting freaky in Iran and Jordan right now.....
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    4 Getting freaky in Iran and Jordan right now.....

    And I had just read this morning that a law was passed that women don't have to cover their heads in Tehran anymore. Hmmmm.........

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    #Update8: #Breaking, people in #Sari (North of Iran) joined other cities and chanting: “Death to dictator”, “leave Syria and think about us”.
    #Iranprotests #RegimeChange

    Little video - on top:

    https://twitter.com/Samu186703300


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    #BREAKING @BBCMonitoring: Governor of #Tehran issues a warning against any 'gatherings' in the capital's main squares.
    #IranProtests


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    #BREAKING @omriceren; Riots have spread to 20 cities in #Iran.


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    BREAKING: People of Qom are chanting now: "We don't want Islamic republic". A big No to Islamic regime of Iran in top religious city of the country, home of Shia clerics.


    Another little video:

    https://twitter.com/Samu186703300/st...64668697182208

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    #BREAKING - King of #Jordan dismisses his 3 brothers; Faisal, Ali and Talal from Jordanian army command after evidence of them contacting #Saudi leaders Mohammad bin Salman and Mohammad bin Zayed to formulate a coup against him. They are now under house arrest.
    Via @AlSuraEnglish
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    Wow, I wonder if this is all true??

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith357 View Post
    Wow, I wonder if this is all true??
    A gypsy squirrel told me it was.
    Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts...

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    And one of my kid cousins in the military just got transferred to Jordan.
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    Whoa!!!

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    only part I might question is about Jordan - Saudis are part of a unified force in the Middle East - there's been cooperation for years now ....
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    TRUMP'S ARMY Retweeted Marc Leibowitz

    "DEATH TO HEZBOLLAH" BEING CHANTED IN THE STREETS OF IRAN.
    #BREAKING
    #Iranprotests
    #Iran
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    @jeremycorbyn. Still supporting the Nazi regime in Iran.



    Here's the Iran twitter:


    https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...news&q=%23iran


    The Tehran twitter:


    https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...ws&q=%23tehran


    Women will no longer be arrested for flouting dress code: Tehran police
    Those who do not observe the Islamic dress will instead be made to attend classes given by police: report.



    The Jordan twitter, but you have to weed out all the Jordan sneaker tweets:


    https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...lt&q=%23jordan

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    1) Jordan has been a friend of the US for AGES. through a LOT of crap.

    2) I'd be VERY inclined to believe Omri Ceren. He's a good guy.


    (King Abdullah is a SPECOPS groupy, and a qualified Snake Driver...errr Cobra Pilot)
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    Just think-a supplier of missile parts to North Korea now has people protesting in the streets all over the country. Shades of 1953 all over again........... China just got busted selling oil to the North Koreans......

    We're seeing the right hand, and the left hand, so to speak. I'm waiting for a sucker punch to North Korea, and VERY soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlfaMan View Post
    Just think-a supplier of missile parts to North Korea now has people protesting in the streets all over the country. Shades of 1953 all over again........... China just got busted selling oil to the North Koreans......

    We're seeing the right hand, and the left hand, so to speak. I'm waiting for a sucker punch to North Korea, and VERY soon.
    I was only 2, so I don't remember how we did Mosadegh in, but I DO rem,ember how the Shah got 86'd.

    Yeah, Iran is on the cusp of a little "Color Revolution Regime Change" I suspect, though I also suspect the victor won't be a Soviet Client, NOR will they be all that friendly with the Norks....
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    Well this perked up my ears.
    Not in a happy way, like when your dog is when you get home.

    I guess we are past the point of any real stability.
    I guess we just keep watching and listening for the next act in this Great Play.
    I guess I'll quit writing like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    only part I might question is about Jordan - Saudis are part of a unified force in the Middle East - there's been cooperation for years now ....
    Correct - but under western neocon organization and guidance.

    It SOUNDS like the neocons are circling the wagons in Jordan - look for neocon hidden hands - Israel may be in the details - look for them - can't blame them, as it were.

    Iran - what big power is behind the Iranian multi-city protests - maybe Trump/U.S. (versus NATO/EU/neocon U.S.?) with Russia colluding a bit?

    Turkey will not be happy to hear that Iranian protesters don't want "an Islamic regime"/caliphate, which is the stated goal of Recep Erdoğan, President of Turkey.

    Pieces just shifted a bit, on the ME playing board.


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    I bet Ferdowsi Square is just Rock'in right now! Lol! V

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Yeah, Iran is on the cusp of a little "Color Revolution Regime Change" I suspect, though I also suspect the victor won't be a Soviet Client, NOR will they be all that friendly with the Norks....
    WHAT "Soviet client" are you referring to, Chuck?

    As far as I know, that's so operationally 90's in style . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by smith357 View Post
    Wow, I wonder if this is all true??
    Yes, it is ( Iran )... Been in the news for a few days, now. I'm looking for a tianamen type of crack-down, soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intothatgoodnight View Post
    Turkey will not be happy to hear that Iranian protesters don't want "an Islamic regime"/caliphate, which is the stated goal of Recep Erdoğan, President of Turkey.
    Erdogan doesn't give a crap what the people want
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    only part I might question is about Jordan - Saudis are part of a unified force in the Middle East - there's been cooperation for years now ....
    Wondering about that too.
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    Hummm....

    With regards to Jordan, perhaps the Saudis tipped off the King themselves about these guys coming to them unsolicited?...

    As to Iran, for Russia having the IRGC and the Mullahs out would give them a much more stable situation. They'd only then have to be concerned with Turkey sponsoring Salafists inside of Russia and messing around in the Caucuses. Yeah I can see the Russians "giving assistance" to a more moderate/modernist faction to "get the ball rolling" as it were...

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    The Iran stuff is true, but the authorities there are trying hard to keep it out of the press; I have no idea if there is "outside" pressure helping this along (probably) but it was too be expected as a huge portion of the population was born after the Revolution and hates the regime.

    This is why I've always said it is such a pity that Iran constantly ends up on the "enemies" list for the US (right now for good reason); because the Persian people have a lot more in common with most Europeans and Americans that the majority of folks in the Middle East, except maybe Israel.

    Persians are not Arabs and their wear there Islam differently from other places (traditionally the more mystical varieties rather than the current fundamentalist type dictatorship).

    The average Persian is now under 35, wants to date and see movies without a government chaperon and finds the whole "revolution" thing to be dated, old-fashioned and a pain in the you-know-where.

    Unfortunately, there are still plenty of fanatics in both the actual military and especially the Republican guard to make a new "revolution" difficult to pull off; but sheer numbers would indicate it may be possible if people get angry enough at the current form of government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayku View Post
    A gypsy squirrel told me it was.
    keep an eye on your nuts

    dem gypsys be squirrely

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    Interesting chess game we're watching.

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    Jordan retires royals as part of wider military restructuring

    http://www.janes.com/article/76705/j...-restructuring (fair use)

    Mohammed Najib - Jane's Defence Weekly
    29 December 2017
    Jordan’s military is being restructured to replace members of the royal family that hold senior positions with professional service personnel.

    The commander-in-chief of the Jordan Armed Forces (JAF), King Abdullah II, announced on 26 December that three senior ranking princes are to retire as part of a wider effort to professionalise the country’s military.

    Major General Prince Feisal bin al-Hussein and Maj Gen Prince Ali bin al-Hussein, both brothers of the king, as well as his cousin Maj Gen Prince Talal bin Mohammed have been retired after nearly two decades of service in senior positions within the JAF. Other less senior ranking royals will retain their positions within the JAF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    1) Jordan has been a friend of the US for AGES. through a LOT of crap.

    2) I'd be VERY inclined to believe Omri Ceren. He's a good guy.


    (King Abdullah is a SPECOPS groupy, and a qualified Snake Driver...errr Cobra Pilot)
    He went to Deerfield academic in Massachusetts right near where I work so he has a lot of American values

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    All ya gotta do is stay up to date with Thomas Wictor's tweets ........ https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor

    He has been stating that this would eventually be happening, and gives the underlying issues on what is going on not only in Iran but also the entire ME.

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    Big rallies announced for tomorrow Saturday in Tehran and other cities #Tehran at 12 pm local time (8.30 am GMT) and #Tabriz at 5 pm local time (1.30 pm GMT). #Uromieh #Abhar #KhoramAbad #Rafsanjan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wait-n-see View Post
    All ya gotta do is stay up to date with Thomas Wictor's tweets ........ https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor

    He has been stating that this would eventually be happening, and gives the underlying issues on what is going on not only in Iran but also the entire ME.
    Amazing stuff. I can barely believe it now, let alone when he started tweeting it out way back when.
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    #Breaking:
    US State Department issues a statement re protests in Iran, "strongly condemns the arrest of peaceful protesters” and "urges all nations to publicly support the Iranian people and their demands for basic rights and an end to corruption."
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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    1) Jordan has been a friend of the US for AGES. through a LOT of crap.

    2) I'd be VERY inclined to believe Omri Ceren. He's a good guy.


    (King Abdullah is a SPECOPS groupy, and a qualified Snake Driver...errr Cobra Pilot)
    The King of Jordan is very Americanized and maintains close ties to his American friends and the schools he went to here. He went to Middle & High School here with a friend of mine, not sure where he went to college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainBiker View Post
    The King of Jordan is very Americanized and maintains close ties to his American friends and the schools he went to here. He went to Middle & High School here with a friend of mine, not sure where he went to college.

    University of Oxford
    School of Foreign Service
    Georgetown University


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_II_of_Jordan
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainBiker View Post
    The King of Jordan is very Americanized and maintains close ties to his American friends and the schools he went to here. He went to Middle & High School here with a friend of mine, not sure where he went to college.
    IIRC not only did he attend the "full up" offering at Sandhurst, he also has attended the "real deal" SF training besides flight school. He is literally a modern "warrior king".

    I recall a 60 Minutes interview he did that included going on a live fire exercise, as in everyone had and was using live ammo up to mortars and helicopter supplied CAS, with a unit of his SF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wait-n-see View Post
    All ya gotta do is stay up to date with Thomas Wictor's tweets ........ https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor

    He has been stating that this would eventually be happening, and gives the underlying issues on what is going on not only in Iran but also the entire ME.
    He is the best.
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    #Breaking - Grandi proteste in #Iran in corso contro il regime islamico.

    Little vid on top:


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    Last time the was a uprising from the Youth in Iran. The Mullahs, with the help of Obama, squashed it.

    This is without a doubt a manufactured event to maybe unseed the Mullah's once and for all. Let the bombs drop on the Mullah's hideouts!

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    For links see article source.....
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1EN0P0

    #WORLD NEWS
    DECEMBER 29, 2017 / 1:18 AM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

    Price protests turn political in Iran as rallies spread

    Reuters Staff

    7 MIN READ

    DUBAI (Reuters) - Demonstrators chanted anti-government slogans in several cities across Iran on Friday, Iranian news agencies and social media reports said, as price protests turned into the largest wave of demonstrations since nationwide pro-reform unrest in 2009.

    Police dispersed anti-government demonstrators in the western city of Kermanshah as protests spread to Tehran and several other cities a day after rallies in the northeast, the semi-official news agency Fars said.

    The outbreak of unrest reflects growing discontent over rising prices and alleged corruption, as well as concern about the Islamic Republic’s costly involvement in regional conflicts such as those in Syria and Iraq.

    An official said a few protesters had been arrested in Tehran, and footage posted on social media showed a heavy police presence in the capital and some other cities.

    Washington condemned the arrests. “The Iranian government should respect their people’s rights, including their right to express themselves,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said in a statement.

    The U.S. State Department in a separate statement urged “all nations to publicly support the Iranian people and their demands for basic rights and an end to corruption.”

    About 300 demonstrators gathered in Kermanshah after what Fars said was a “call by the anti-revolution.” They shouted: “Political prisoners should be freed” and “Freedom or death”, and some public property was destroyed. Fars did not name any opposition groups.

    The protests in Kermanshah, the main city in a region where an earthquake killed over 600 people in November, took place a day after hundreds rallied in Iran’s second largest city Mashhad to protest at high prices and shout anti-government slogans.

    Videos posted on social media showed demonstrators yelling, “The people are begging, the clerics act like God.”

    Fars said there were protests in the cities of Sari and Rasht in the north, Qazvin west of Tehran and Qom south of the capital, and also in Hamadan in western Iran. It said many marchers who wanted to raise economic demands left the rallies after demonstrators shouted political slogans.

    PRO-GOVERNMENT RALLIES PLANNED

    State television said annual nationwide rallies and events were scheduled for Saturday to commemorate pro-government demonstrations held in 2009 to counter protests by reformists.

    The Revolutionary Guards, which along with its Basij militia spearheaded a crackdown against the protesters in 2009, said in a statement carried by state media that there were efforts to repeat that year’s unrest but added: “The Iranian nation ... will not allow the country to be hurt.”

    Mohsen Nasj Hamadani, deputy security chief in Tehran province, said about 50 people had rallied in a square but most had left after being asked to by police, while a few who refused were “temporarily detained,” the ILNA news agency reported.

    In the central city of Isfahan, a resident said protesters had joined a rally held by factory workers demanding back-pay.

    “The slogans quickly changed from the economy to those against (President Hassan) Rouhani and the Supreme Leader (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei),” the resident said by telephone.

    In Qom, a stronghold of the Shi‘ite clergy, footage posted on social media showed protesters attacking Ayatollah Khamenei by name. “Seyyed Ali should be ashamed and leave the country alone,” they chanted.

    Protests were held also in the town of Quchan near the Turkmen border, and in Ahvaz, capital of oil-rich Khuzestan province, social media and Iranian news websites reported.

    Police arrested 52 people in Thursday’s protests, Fars quoted a judicial official as saying in Mashhad, one of the holiest places in Shi‘ite Islam.

    In social media footage, which could not be authenticated, riot police were seen using water cannon and tear gas to disperse crowds.

    Openly political protests are rare in Iran, where security services are omnipresent.

    The last unrest of national significance occurred in 2009 when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s re-election as president ignited eight months of street protests. Pro-reform rivals said the vote was rigged.

    However, demonstrations are often held by workers over lay-offs or non-payment of salaries and by people who hold deposits in non-regulated, bankrupt financial institutions.

    Prominent conservative cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Alamolhoda called earlier for tough action against the protests.

    “If the security and law enforcement agencies leave the rioters to themselves, enemies will publish films and pictures in their media and say that the Islamic Republic system has lost its revolutionary base in Mashhad,” the state news agency IRNA quoted Alamolhoda as saying.

    “DEATH TO DICTATOR”

    Some social media videos showed demonstrators chanting “Death to Rouhani” and “Death to the dictator”. Protests were also held in at least two other northeastern cities.

    Alamolhoda, the representative of Ayatollah Khamenei in Mashhad, said a few people had taken advantage of Thursday’s protests against rising prices to chant slogans against Iran’s role in regional conflicts.

    Tehran backs Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in his country’s civil war, Shi‘ite militias in Iraq, Houthi rebels in Yemen and Lebanon’s powerful Hezbollah group.

    “Some people had come to express their demands, but suddenly, in a crowd of hundreds, a small group that did not exceed 50 shouted deviant and horrendous slogans such as ‘Let go of Palestine’, ‘Not Gaza, not Lebanon, I’d give my life (only) for Iran’,” Alamolhoda said.

    Social media videos also showed demonstrators chanting ”Leave Syria, think about us,” criticizing Iran’s military and financial support for Assad.

    Vice-President Eshaq Jahangiri, a close Rouhani ally, suggested that hardline conservative opponents of the pragmatist president might have triggered the protests but lost control of them. “Those who are behind such events will burn their own fingers,” IRNA quoted Jahangiri as saying.

    Rouhani’s leading achievement, a 2015 deal with world powers that curbed Iran’s disputed nuclear program in return for a lifting of most international sanctions, has yet to bring the broad economic benefits the government says are coming.

    Unemployment stood at 12.4 percent in this fiscal year, according to the Statistical Centre of Iran, up 1.4 percent from the previous year. About 3.2 million Iranians are jobless, out of a total population of 80 million.

    Reporting by Dubai newsroom; additional reporting by Eric Beech in Washington; Editing by Gareth Jones, Andrew Hay and Richard Chang

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    A remarkable feature of current situation in Iran is that more and more security units refuse to attack protesters as they did in 2009. This may change but feeling at the moment is that mullahs might find it hard to persuade their gunmen to kill unarmed protesters as before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
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    A remarkable feature of current situation in Iran is that more and more security units refuse to attack protesters as they did in 2009. This may change but feeling at the moment is that mullahs might find it hard to persuade their gunmen to kill unarmed protesters as before.
    A big difference between now and 2009 is that a lot of the regime's "hard chargers" are still running around Iraq and Syria chasing down IS and Al Nusra/AQ and not at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    1) Jordan has been a friend of the US for AGES. through a LOT of crap.

    2) I'd be VERY inclined to believe Omri Ceren. He's a good guy.


    (King Abdullah is a SPECOPS groupy, and a qualified Snake Driver...errr Cobra Pilot)
    And yet - I think - I heard the other day that 75% or close they - vote AGAINST US in the UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coulter View Post
    And yet - I think - I heard the other day that 75% or close they - vote AGAINST US in the UN.
    That's like American citizens being blamed for how Samantha Power voted in the UN.

    CTH comment...

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    I have a close group of Egyptian Coptic Christian friends and Iranian Catholic friends from my school years. The anger they felt watching Obama destabilize the middle east then turn his back while the Iranian guard crushed the protestors which he abandoned paled in comparison to the rage they felt when he paid off the Iranian regime with the nuclear agreement was heartbreaking. My Egyptian friends lost many relatives as Christians & protestors were slaughtered as the Obama revolution installed the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. These people love America and their life stories and unique perspectives have been eye opening to me. They love America but they really love Trump.

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    keeler says:
    December 29, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    The difference comes down to this: Iranians are not Arabs.

    Persians developed one of the first high cultures in history, and one of its most persistent. The Persian Empire challenged the Greek city-states for dominance in Asia Minor. When Alexander conquered the Persians two centuries later, he adopted much of its political structure and sought to blend Persian and Greek culture. Centuries after that Persians drove the Romans from Mesopotamia, marking the beginning of Rome’s territorial decline. Islam reached Persia long after Persia had an established cultural identity, including the Zoroastrian faith.

    Arabs, Bedouins, Pashtuns, and the other peoples who adopted Islam or had Islam forced upon them did not have such a national identity. These were nomadic peoples who saw (and largely still see) the world in terms of tribes and clans. They do not possess a historical or cultural tradition distinct from Islam.

    Whereas any form of Islam acts as a primary identity for these various peoples, fundamentalist Islam seems be naturally conflict with Persian cultural identity. While Persians are not Westerners, neither are they a tribal people whose identity derives from religion. Persians are their own thing and have less cause to support the dominance of political or fundamentalist Islam. The success or failure of Islam is not existential to Persian identity. I think this is the hope many see for the Persian people escaping from the shadows of the ayatollahs.

    To some degree, I see parallels between post-Revolution Iran and pre-World War II Japan: ancient cultures experiencing difficulty establishing its role in the modern world, hijacked by militant elements able to exploit foreign interference, internal instability, economic troubles, and natural disasters (the Great Kanto Earthquake of 1923, for example) in order to push an expansionist agenda putting it on a road to conflict with the West.


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    farmhand1927 says:
    December 29, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    I have no knowledgeable viewpoints but offer the assumption these protests are most displeasing to Obama and Val Jar.

    The Iranian leadership was supported and protected during the O Regime. We even sent them pallets of cash to stay in good graces.

    Now it appears there may be a type of Deplorable movement in the wind. Happy New Year.

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