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    Michael Flynn charged in Russia investigation, guilty plea expected

    Michael Flynn charged in Russia investigation, guilty plea expected
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    Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has been charged in the special counsel's Russia investigation with making false statements to the FBI and is expected to plead guilty at a hearing Friday morning.

    Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office released a one-count charging document ahead of the hearing.

    The false statements charge pertains to Flynn's interactions with the Russian ambassador in late December -- specifically discussions about sanctions and other matters he apparently claimed never happened.

    According to the document, those false statements were that:
    "On or about Dec 29, 2016, FLYNN did not ask the Government of Russia’s Ambassador to the United States ... to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day; and FLYNN did not recall the Russian Ambassador subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request."

    "On or about December 22, 2016, FLYNN did not ask the Russian Ambassador to delay the vote on or defeat a pending United Nations Security Council resolution; and that the Russian Ambassador subsequently never described to FLYNN Russia’s response to his request.”
    Flynn is accused of "willfully and knowingly" making the false statements to the FBI while serving in the Trump administration.

    Flynn is the fourth person charged in connection with Mueller's investigation.

    Mueller's team announced charges last month against three other Trump campaign officials: former chairman Paul Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates, and a former foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos.

    A Flynn plea deal had been rumored ever since his attorneys informed President Trump's legal team they could no longer discuss the investigation.

    The move prompted speculation Flynn might be cooperating with Mueller's investigators and discussing a deal.

    Flynn, who was interviewed by the FBI just days after Trump's inauguration, was forced to resign in February after White House officials said he had misled them about whether he had discussed sanctions with the ambassador, Sergey Kislyak.

    Fox News' Jake Gibson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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    VIDEO, embedded links at the source

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politi...ged/index.html

    Flynn to plead guilty to lying to FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador

    By Jeremy Herb, Evan Perez and Marshall Cohen, CNN

    Updated 10:27 AM ET, Fri December 1, 2017

    Washington (CNN)Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn will plead guilty Friday to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI about conversations with Russia's ambassador, according to court documents.

    Flynn arrived at court Friday morning.

    The White House declined to immediately comment, though a source who advises the White House on strategy said this was expected.

    "Poor judgment. But this was expected. Trump fired him for lying to (Vice President Mike Pence). Of course, he lied to the FBI, too," the source said.

    Flynn is the first Trump administration official and the fourth connected to the campaign to be charged as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between the Russian government and members of Trump's team, as well as potential obstruction of justice and financial crimes.

    Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy Rick Gates were indicted last month; they pleaded not guilty. And Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty for making a false statement to the FBI over contacts with officials connected to the Russian government.

    The charge against Flynn is the first in Mueller's probe that has reached someone in the Trump White House and is the latest sign that the special counsel's investigation is intensifying.

    Flynn's lawyers have previously criticized media reports about his connection to the Russia investigation as peddling "unfounded allegations, outrageous claims of treason, and vicious innuendo directed against him." Flynn hasn't spoken publicly since his ouster in February.

    The charges mark yet another stunning downfall for Flynn, 58, a retired general who rose to the highest ranks of the Army over a three-decade career -- only to see him drummed out of the military by the Obama administration before unexpectedly rising again on the heels of Trump's election victory.

    A key campaign surrogate and adviser during President Donald Trump's presidential campaign, Flynn was tapped as Trump's national security adviser in November 2016, a senior White House job that put him in a vital role for all of the administration's national security and foreign policy decisions.

    Though he wasn't initially considered for the top job, Trump's daughter, Ivanka Trump, and son-in-law Jared Kushner made it clear to the Trump transition team that they wanted him there, CNN has reported.

    Flynn would hold the job less than a month, resigning from the post after he misled Pence and then-chief of staff Reince Priebus about his conversations with then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak in which they discussed US sanctions against Russia.

    Flynn is also the spark of potential trouble for the President in Mueller's probe, as the special counsel is investigating potential obstruction of justice in the firing of FBI Director James Comey.

    Comey testified before the Senate intelligence committee that Trump asked him to drop the Flynn probe during a February Oval Office meeting not long after Flynn resigned as national security adviser.

    Talking about sanctions

    Flynn's conversations with Kislyak attracted scrutiny from federal investigators as part of the FBI's broader counterintelligence investigation of Russian activities in the US, and the calls were captured by routine US eavesdropping targeting the Russian diplomat, CNN has reported.

    The Trump transition team acknowledged that Flynn and Kislyak spoke on the day in December 2016 that the Obama administration issued new sanctions against Russia and expelled 35 diplomats, but they insisted the conversation did not include sanctions — including denials that Pence and Priebus later repeated on national television.

    Flynn resigned on February 13 after reports that he and Kislyak had spoken about sanctions and that the Justice Department had warned the White House that Flynn was potentially vulnerable to blackmail by the Russians.

    Details of how the DOJ warned the White House about Flynn's conduct were revealed months later in stunning testimony from former acting Attorney General Sally Yates, who said that she "believed that General Flynn was compromised with respect to the Russians" because of the misleading denials.

    The charging document states that Flynn made a false statement to the FBI when he stated that in December 2016 he did not ask Kislyak "to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day; and Flynn did not recall the Russian ambassador subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request."

    The document also says that Flynn falsely said he did not ask Kislyak to delay the vote on a pending United Nations Security Council resolution.

    After his resignation, Flynn and his businesses quickly became a major interest of the House and Senate intelligence committee Russia probes.

    But in March, Flynn's lawyer dropped a bombshell: "General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit," attorney Robert Kelner said, adding that Flynn was seeking immunity in exchange for his testimony. Committee leaders quickly rejected the offer.

    Both committees eventually subpoenaed Flynn and his lobbying business, and he provided documents to both the House and Senate panels in June.

    Flynn has not spoken to the congressional committees and has refused requests to appear voluntarily.

    Warnings before Trump took office

    Flynn's legal issues stem from foreign payments he received after he started his own consulting firm.

    Flynn founded the Flynn Intel Group after he retired from the military in 2014. The Obama White House pushed him out of his role as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the military's intelligence arm. Flynn was fired over claims he was a poor manager, though he says he was ousted by Obama administration officials unwilling to listen to his warnings about the rise of ISIS and an increasingly aggressive Iran.

    Before he was named national security adviser, the FBI began investigating Flynn for secretly working during the presidential campaign as an unregistered lobbyist for Turkey, an investigation he disclosed to the Trump transition team before Trump took office.

    Flynn wasn't the only Trump associate who faced scrutiny over foreign lobbying laws -- Manafort also filed a retroactive registration earlier this year for work he previously did in Ukraine.

    Federal investigators were probing whether Flynn was secretly paid by the Turkish government as part of its public campaign against Fethullah Gulen, a critic of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan who lives in exile in Pennsylvania. Erdogan blames Gulen and his supporters for plotting the failed Turkish coup last summer.

    As part of his pro-Turkey lobbying, Flynn and his colleague held meetings during the Trump transition with Turkish representatives. According to The Wall Street Journal, Flynn and his son were offered as much as $15 million to forcibly remove from the United States a Turkish cleric wanted by Turkey.

    CNN's legal analysts say the alleged plan to kidnap Gulen and subvert the US legal process would directly violate the US criminal code and could carry a punishment of as much as 20 years in federal prison. Lawyers for Flynn said the allegations "ranging from kidnapping to bribery" are completely false.

    Flynn's lobbying firm was paid $530,000 by Inovo BV, a company owned by Turkish businessman Ekim Alptekin, during the final months of the US presidential campaign. The Flynn Intel Group, which is no longer active, was tasked with producing an anti-Gulen documentary, though the final product never surfaced. Flynn also penned an op-ed criticizing Gulen, which was published on Election Day.

    In March, Flynn's firm retroactively registered as a foreign agent that lobbied for the Turkish government.

    CNN's Jim Acosta contributed to this report.
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    So let me get this straight. Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI on three issues [which are actually pretty minor issues if you look at the big picture] and Hillary had many top secret and special compartmentalized access emails on her illegal server not to mentioned having her hard drives bleached bitted after a subpoena telling her to preserve them and she walks away scot free? And the former attorney general at the time after a scathing news conference about these issues says at the end that no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges? Thereby we see the difference in 'justice' by seeing those working for the deep state and those who are not. Regardless of Flynn's plea I think Trump should immediately pardon him for the lying. Might as well as Trump is going to be excoriated no matter what he does and since it's legal for Trump to issue such pardons I hope he does so. Until everyone who is too big to prosecute faces justice then maybe nobody should for lessor offenses.
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    Meanwhile, every other deep state traitor walks for much bigger crimes. Banana republic.

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    I am still waiting to hear how this is part of Mueller/Trump plan to take down Podesta. This is part of the 3-D chess as stated from Wictor/Schweitker, right.

    Local DC radio is now reporting that Flynn is prepared to testify candidate Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."

    Of course, I don't see anything wrong with that-but it validates my occam's razor argument and again proves Wictor/Schw are wrong again.

    As I have said a million times, I went to school with one of the people Mueller hired. He is a die-hard DEM. I believe he makes about 7 figures. While I haven't spoken to him in over 20 years, IMHO there is NO WAY he gives up that salary to make peanuts working for Mueller to NOT go against Trump.

    And, as I said, Mueller will pressure people around Trump to make them testify against Trump;hence Flynn.

    I still believe there is no Russia collusion but Mueller will find SOMETHING to charge Trump or someone close like Jared. Likely some vague obstruction charge or regulatory crime.

    It is pure Occam's razor. Don't believe the conspiracy theories.

    At this point I am hoping for Jared to be charged and convicted. I am hearing more and more that he is behind so many of the admin's DEM hires and policy decisions that go against what Trump campaigned on.

    As he is Trump's son-in-law, the ONLY way to stop his influence is being charged. This could be all good in the end-we may get back to Trump actually fulfilling his campaign promises!
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    He joins the Martha Stewart fibbers club.
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    Assuming that Flynn can't evade the hook, are there any guesses about how much prison time he faces?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Sunday View Post
    Assuming that Flynn can't evade the hook, are there any guesses about how much prison time he faces?
    The sentence is up to 5 years; however, Mueller will likely recommend probation as he is cooperating to take down Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo 5 View Post
    Meanwhile, every other deep state traitor walks for much bigger crimes. Banana republic.
    Just say true justice awaits them. NO ONE gets away with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    The sentence is up to 5 years; however, Mueller will likely recommend probation as he is cooperating to take down Trump.
    What if the charge stems from an illegally obtained FISA warrent?

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    What if the charge stems from an illegally obtained FISA warrent?
    It doesn't matter at this point; he waived his appeal when he pled guilty to lying.

    Let's assume there was an illegal search. An exception is inevitable discovery, which would likely be true here because the Russian ambassadors were likely under separate legal surveillance.

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    [QUOTE=Baloo;6687013]It doesn't matter at this point; he waived his appeal when he pled guilty to lying.

    Isn't this typical for the federal system? Looking for bigger fish, right. I was told by a reliable source we would be SHOCKED at how infrequently a fed case actually goes to a jury. They offer that reduced plea, no appeal hassle, no jury to deal with and they are home by 5:30. Great work if you can get it...
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    Still no hint of collusion. Campaigns ALWAYS talk with foreign leaders during the transition and campaign. One article says Trump told Flynn to contact the Russians about cooperation in destroying ISIS. Perfectly legitimate and would be routine in any election. Not a hint of anything yet on collusion to interfere in our election. I see this as a winding down of Mueller's investigation. A guilty plea to lying to the FBI gives Mueller a thin nail to hang a victory on. Everyone knew he would find SOMETHING. He had to or look like a fool. I see today Manafort has reached a deal to be released from house arrest with an 11 million dollar bond. Look for that to be his fine for his lying. I doubt either he or Flynn will serve any time.

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    He has sold his soul for thirty pieces of silver. Just like John Roberts. This is all NWO globalists scheme to take out President Trump.
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    High crimes and treasonous acts abound around Mule Head and this is the best he can come up with. His worthlessness is Epic although he may be serving his true master well. What a tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    Still no hint of collusion. Campaigns ALWAYS talk with foreign leaders during the transition and campaign. One article says Trump told Flynn to contact the Russians about cooperation in destroying ISIS. Perfectly legitimate and would be routine in any election. Not a hint of anything yet on collusion to interfere in our election. I see this as a winding down of Mueller's investigation. A guilty plea to lying to the FBI gives Mueller a thin nail to hang a victory on. Everyone knew he would find SOMETHING. He had to or look like a fool. I see today Manafort has reached a deal to be released from house arrest with an 11 million dollar bond. Look for that to be his fine for his lying. I doubt either he or Flynn will serve any time.
    People in DC are speculating that it was Jared who told Flynn to talk to Russia-reports are saying it was "close family". That would be great!! Idiot DEMS might end up purging the DEMS from within the Admin!!

    With respect to collusion, I see none. But, a really partisan person like Mueller may charge Jared with violating the Logan Act (which prohibits people from negotiating with foreign powers). While this Act has very rarely been invoked (I think less than 5 times in 200 years), the law is still on the books.

    But, I'm wrong-listen to Wictor/Schweitker-this is 3-D chess and Mueller is working with Trump. LOL!!

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    The Logan Act? What is that? Does it exist? If so why is Obunghole out and about playing stealth POTUS?
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    The Logan Act? What is that? Does it exist? If so why is Obunghole out and about playing stealth POTUS?
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/US...-chap45-sec953

    Link above to Logan Act: 18 USC section 953

    Relevant part:

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he
    may be, who, without authority of the United
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    on any correspondence or intercourse with
    any foreign government or any officer or agent
    thereof, with intent to influence the measures
    or conduct of any foreign government or of any
    officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
    or controversies with the United States,
    or to defeat the measures of the United States,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
    more than three years, or both.

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    Heard on Fox that Flynn just put his home up for sale. Broke already?

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    My local DC radio now discussing Trump/family may have violated Logan Act (as I postulated), and also may have lied about these communications to Russia that Flynn admitted to (which could be obstruction or lying to the FBI).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/US...-chap45-sec953

    Link above to Logan Act: 18 USC section 953

    Relevant part:

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he
    may be, who, without authority of the United
    States, directly or indirectly commences or carries
    on any correspondence or intercourse with
    any foreign government or any officer or agent
    thereof, with intent to influence the measures
    or conduct of any foreign government or of any
    officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes
    or controversies with the United States,
    or to defeat the measures of the United States,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not
    more than three years, or both.

    My local DC radio now discussing Trump/family may have violated Logan Act (as I postulated), and lied about these communications to Russia that Flynn admitted to (which could be obstruction or lying to the FBI).

    Good. Now that it is quoted lets see it enforced with cuffs on Obunghole. If not just a useless tool for special people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    Good. Now that it is quoted lets see it enforced with cuffs on Obunghole. If not just a useless tool for special people.
    Problem is twofold-to go after Obama on this you need a federal prosecutor willing to do it (there are none) AND you need to go back to when Obama was a candidate for President the first time and find evidence of him talking to a foreign power. While he probably did -good luck with that. The other problem is Obama/his staff likely did not lie to the FBI about those conversations-which is the most likely charge here. Heck, as it was more than 8 years ago there may be a Statute of limitation issue too.

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    Baloo he is out of the country doing it as I type. This is while we set on the break of war in Asia and the Middle East. Do you think that makes him a candidate for the Logan Act? I do.
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    Wait just a minute....... How can this be???? I thought Flynn was working undercover?

    I thought it was all a big 3-D chess match?????

    So confused......

    Or..... Is he going undercover in jail? That must be it. Trump needs someone to investigate prison overcrowding so Flynn volunteered..........

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    I imagine Flynn's family will be too embarrassed to continue to live in that area - or he will start another business in a Red State.

    Can a President pardon himself? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    So let me get this straight. Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI on three issues [which are actually pretty minor issues if you look at the big picture] and Hillary had many top secret and special compartmentalized access emails on her illegal server not to mentioned having her hard drives bleached bitted after a subpoena telling her to preserve them and she walks away scot free? And the former attorney general at the time after a scathing news conference about these issues says at the end that no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges? Thereby we see the difference in 'justice' by seeing those working for the deep state and those who are not. Regardless of Flynn's plea I think Trump should immediately pardon him for the lying. Might as well as Trump is going to be excoriated no matter what he does and since it's legal for Trump to issue such pardons I hope he does so. Until everyone who is too big to prosecute faces justice then maybe nobody should for lessor offenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    Baloo he is out of the country doing it as I type. This is while we set on the break of war in Asia and the Middle East. Do you think that makes him a candidate for the Logan Act? I do.
    No prosecutor would ever charge Obama for acts as an ex-President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    No prosecutor would ever charge Obama for acts as an ex-President; an ex-President is a different situation--He has no real power now. Jimmy Carter does this all the time. Many past Presidents do.

    A potential new President is totally different-they have potential power; the allegations being discussed is that Trump told the Russians to disregard American policy (the Russian sanctions) until he takes office-which is apparent power.
    Is that sorta like "Tell Vlad I will have more flexibility after the election"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith357 View Post
    Is that sorta like "Tell Vlad I will have more flexibility after the election"?
    no. obama was president when he said that.

    We need to get off this Obama crap, no prosector will go after him.

    in contrast there is one going after Trump--that is the issue. (but this is 3-d chess according to Wictor/Schweitker). lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    No prosecutor would ever charge Obama for acts as an ex-President; an ex-President is a different situation--He has no real power now. Jimmy Carter does this all the time. Many past Presidents do.

    A potential new President is totally different-they have potential power; the allegations being discussed is that Trump told the Russians to disregard American policy (the Russian sanctions) until he takes office-which is apparent power.
    What about the "bent over to tie shoe 'tell vladie I'll have more wiggle room after the election" comment O made?
    Sorry to go off on another tangent. I guess, for me, it's time to "call the dogs and piss on the fire". The appearance of true "rule of law" is gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luddite View Post
    What about the "bent over to tie shoe 'tell vladie I'll have more wiggle room after the election" comment O made?
    Sorry to go off on another tangent. I guess, for me, it's time to "call the dogs and piss on the fire". The appearance of true "rule of law" is gone.
    no. obama was president when he said that.

    We need to get off this Obama crap, no prosector will go after him.

    in contrast there is one going after Trump--that is the issue. (but this is 3-d chess according to Wictor/Schweitker). lol

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    If lying to the FBI is a crime what about when the FBI lies to us? It is also a crime if you have knowledge about a federal crime and don't report it. 90% of government employees could be charged with that one alone.

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    GREAT NEWS!!!

    My local DC radio and Rush just said it was JARED who told Flynn to contact the Russians. I really hope Jared lied to FBI as Flynn did.

    I want to see Jared perp walked out!

    If he is gone we can get the MAGA campaign promises! Maybe the endless hiring of DEMS will stop too!!

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    Another potential interesting tidbit

    Another federal court filing today by the Special Counsel says that in the @PaulManafort case there is "newly-acquired information" which the "government is still examining."

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    He's going to plea out and testify against Kushner/Trump, and it's going to get really whacky in the coming weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
    GREAT NEWS!!!

    My local DC radio and Rush just said it was JARED who told Flynn to contact the Russians. I really hope Jared lied to FBI as Flynn did.

    I want to see Jared perp walked out!

    If he is gone we can get the MAGA campaign promises! Maybe the endless hiring of DEMS will stop too!!
    And after Jared pleas out, he will testify against Trump saying Trump advised him to do it.

    This is going to be big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    The Logan Act? What is that? Does it exist? If so why is Obunghole out and about playing stealth POTUS?
    This^^^
    It would take some serious surveillance and investigation into what Obunghole actually said to those foreign leaders he is visiting, but I bet there is something there to hang him if they wanted to and would devote the resources to investigation and surveillance .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nahal81 View Post
    And after Jared pleas out, he will testify against Trump saying Trump advised him to do it.

    This is going to be big.
    In reality I don't see even Mueller making a Logan Act claim against anyone-he did not against Flynn.

    The charges against Jared will be lying to the FBI (I so hope he did that). That will be the end of it. Trump never spoke to the FBI so no lying charges possible.

    However, if the DEMS take the House in 2018, then they will impeach Trump for violating Logan Act or some other non-legal "crime" (after all impeachment is a political device not a criminal one).

    That is the real issue here-the House. Another reason why that socialist tax bill must die. Once people see their taxes go up and home value killed they will not back Trump.

    I for one will not give him any money or my time; I did not work to elect someone to raise my taxes and destroy my home value. I could always have voted DEM for that.

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