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    This isn't the article I read earlier today but it states the same end result. Lost millions some did.

    h[COLOR="red"]xx[/COLOR]ps://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-mining-marketplace-nicehash-hacked-62-million-stolen/

    Bitcoin Mining Marketplace NiceHash Hacked: $62 Million Stolen?
    Josiah Wilmoth on 07/12/2017


    A hacker successfully breached cryptocurrency mining marketplace NiceHash, resulting in the theft of up to $62 million worth of bitcoins.

    The NiceHash website had gone offline earlier in the day, which the company had chalked up to maintenance. However, the team revealed the true nature of the outage through an announcement posted on the service’s social media channels, confirming users’ worst fears after hours frenzied speculation.

    “Unfortunately, there has been a security breach involving NiceHash website,” the company wrote, adding that it was freezing all operations for at least the next 24 hours while it investigated the hack.

    “Importantly, our payment system was compromised and the contents of the NiceHash Bitcoin wallet have been stolen. We are working to verify the precise number of BTC taken,” the company wrote.

    Although NiceHash has not confirmed the number of bitcoins stolen, NiceHash users have circulated a wallet address that suggests that 4,736.42 BTC — worth more than $62 million at the current exchange rate — was drained from the company’s hot wallet.

    The company stated that, in addition to an internal investigation, they had contacted the “relevant authorities and law enforcement” and that they are working to “rectify the matter in the coming days.”

    In the meantime, they advised users to change all of their online passwords, as it is presently unclear what data the hackers were able to obtain in addition to the stolen funds.

    Founded in 2014, NiceHash allows users to buy and sell hashpower through its online marketplace. This way, users can benefit from bitcoin mining without purchasing or operating the equipment themselves. However, as this incident demonstrates, cloud mining services subject users to additional risks versus operating one’s own hardware.

    In addition to hacks, cloud mining customers have also fallen victim to outright fraud. Three years ago, the now-defunct company Gaw Miners executed a Ponzi scheme under the guise of its cloud mining service and PayCoin, a proprietary cryptocurrency that Gaw created to perpetuate the scam. Gaw Miners CEO Josh Garza was recently declared liable for more than $9 million in disgorged profits and penalties in connection with the scam.
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    I can't argue with anything anyone has said. Someone here told me how easy it was to use your phone and a BITCOIN ATM. Thank you, I am not especially tech savy, but that was really easy call. I told others because it seemed that this was something to watch. They dropped the ball, and now wish they had thrown a little scratch into the game.

    Then again, 2007-2008 warning I received was from right here on TB from JG. This particular call about BITCOIN was once again for the little man, like gold, silver, I-Bonds in the early 2000s. Always remember, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. I am not doing anything stupid with my prepping goals, but once and a while, even we little people have an opportunity to score.

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    $18,200 wow

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    I'll chine in here now.

    I posted about btc on another thread last week and just kind of stopped posting about it after I send private messages to a couple members who made really wonderful comments to me. I appreciate them for it.

    If you thought the Internet was the wild west, you were wrong, this is the real wild west! Cryptocurrency is so new that rules of law/securities law hasn't even been enacted yet. This is moving so fast that .gov can't even get abreast of it. There are scams all over it and very few prosecutions because the prosecutors don't even understand it yet.

    That being said; I bought 1 ounce of gold last year at this time for $1175, I sold it today for $1275. I made $100 profit, good! If I had made the same amount of purchase of btc, I would have 2 full coins now. So for the price of $1175, my speculation gain(not investing) would be $34,000!

    I think I've made my point.

    Guess where the money went from the ounce I sold...

    Now that being said; I wish there was some accurate charting on AD 1636-38, Holland-that would be a tell into the future.
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    This is so fascinating!

    I am old enough to have witnessed several bubbles and, dare I say it, manias in my lifetime.

    Firstly, I want to congratulate everyone who has bitcoin. You've held it in spite of all of the derogatory remarks and derisive comments. I can foresee it going much higher.

    However, I wonder if this somehow related to the alternate realities created by video and online games. The inability of people to distinguish the real from the unreal. As I understand it, there are a total of 21 million of them. There can never be more created. Also, that they are infinitely divisible. This is an artificial scarcity, in a manner of speaking.

    How is this dissimilar from Mario Bros? There are only so many coins which can be collected in a game. Conversely, we all use electrons (i.e., debit and credit cards, etc.) in our daily lives; electronic representations of dollars. So, is it simply this merging of the real, and electrons, that makes it so hard to distinguish the reality of bitcoin?

    Bitcoin has no innate value other than the belief of those who hold it, and those willing to accept it as payment. It has climbed at a precipitously fast rate only seen in other manias. Some would say this holds true for the dollar as well. However, the dollar has far more backing it than confidence. It has the backing of the military and nuclear weapons, if need be. It has been successfully defended several times previously. Bitcoin has no such mechanism in place.

    Ultimately, bitcoin is a mania. It may have some base value. It may not fall all the way to zero. It may climb significantly higher. However, common sense tells us that it will fall, and fall hard. This is speculation in its rawest form. There are no government regulations in place. This is what a mania looks like. I will continue to follow it with great interest.
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    It's value is freedom,

    or conversely,

    complete control.

    I can see it going both ways.
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    Here is a good read critical of the ethics of bitcoin. Too long to paste the whole thing,
    https://medium.com/ill-ixi-lli/-da9326e97d1f

    It is about energy hog computers working as hard as they can to produce nothing of actual value.

    "Bitcoin=Death Processors"


    "bitcoin Is Makeworky Unmoney

    bitcoin is not exactly money. It’s a potentially valuable abstraction of computational ‘work’ that ‘earns’ bitcoin value. But what is bitcoin value and what is the nature of the work? The answers are bizarre because they are nonsensical.

    bitcoin value is an abstraction of participation in the history of the network and its transactions. ‘Work’ is a (largely) nonuseful recomputation of, first, the transaction history of the network — which has to be reprocessed each time there is a bitcoin transaction. Then, continual banging away at some useless math with added ‘weight factor’ that makes it arbitrarily difficult for computers to accomplish the generation of a new record-set over time.

    The bitcoin algorithms adjust this factor in order to require enough ersatz work so that the heartbeat of the system pulses (produces a block) approximately every ten minutes… and they scale the computational complexity accordingly via input from bitcoin’s own daily developmental activity.

    By crossing an invented computational abyss, millions of computers and other machines, many of which have been secretly compromised by hacks, are working full tilt, around the clock… to simply generate a deeper abyss requiring ever-more powerful and numerous computers to cross. And this generates ‘blocks’ in an economy of numbers in machines. These numbers are not exactly money, and their actual value is more complex than cash. And the machines must be serviced, cooled, attended and backed-up, as must the results of their nearly useless hyperactivity.

    Most participants are using machines specially designed to resolve these invented computational targets, and as we make faster computers to do this, the network amplifies the difficulty to throttle the pulse.

    What is all this about? Well, it’s not a simple question.

    ....................................snip.......... ...............


    bitcoin is an essentially mechano-vampiric paradigm where massive amounts of actually usless computation are done with increasing ferocity while producing nothing of any value whatsoever except a kind of pure abstraction of computing having been done, and the glorious ‘record of transactions’ which becomes a veritable church of common computational record—and remains just as meaningless in that guise.

    Those who are involved in this racket have chosen to dedicate cash, space, power and other resources to the process. But what is the process? It is to process a meaningless series of processes, ever-more ineffectively, on purpose.

    That’s the wrong thing to dedicate resources to, and it produces direct mechanical competition against our own minds, cultures, needs and development....................................... ............

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Sub-Zero View Post
    Ultimately, bitcoin is a mania. It may have some base value. It may not fall all the way to zero. It may climb significantly higher. However, common sense tells us that it will fall, and fall hard. This is speculation in its rawest form. There are no government regulations in place. This is what a mania looks like. I will continue to follow it with great interest.
    I don't know... people said the same thing about Facebook. When it went public, everyone laughed. When it went public at $26 a share, everyone laughed again. Understandably, because it was nothing more than a virtual place for people to hang out. But it's still here, at $180 a share.

    Also, everyone said the same about Amazon when it started to soar: "What goes up, must come down." But nope. Back in 2012, it was roughly $150 a share. Now it's $1,150 a share.

    I'm high-fiving anyone who has taken some risk with this and made a nice profit. I'm kicking myself for those (several) times where I thought about buying a couple hundred coins, and then said, "Nah... Bitcoin is just a fad." Had I not had that thought in my head, I could retire today with my millions.

    Just sayin'.

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    http://www.safehaven.com/article/448...-cryptokitties

    People Spent $1M on Totally Useless Ethereum "CryptoKitties"
    By: Mike Shedlock | Mon, Dec 4, 2017

    Techcruch reports People have spent over $1M buying virtual cats on the Ethereum blockchain.

    Launched a few days ago, CryptoKitties is essentially like an digital version of Pokemon cards but based on the Ethereum blockchain. And like most viral sensations that catch on in the tech world, it’s blowing up fast.Built by Vancouver and San Francisco-based design studio AxiomZen, the game is the latest fad in the world of cryptocurrency and probably soon tech in general.People are spending a crazy amount of real money on the game. So far about $1.3M has been transacted, with multiple kittens selling for ~50 ETH (around $23,000) and the “genesis” kitten being sold for a record ~246 ETH (around $113,000). This third party site tracks the largest purchases made to date on the game. And like any good viral sensation prices are rising and fluctuating fast. Right now it will cost you about .03 ETH, or $12 to buy the least expensive kitten in the game.So now we have people using Ether, an asset with arguably little tangible utility – to purchase an asset with unarguably zero tangible utility. Welcome to the internet in 2017.

    CryptoKitty Q&A
    Q. How do I get a CryptoKitty?
    A. Go to the “Marketplace” and look at the CryptoKitties for sale, or breed two CryptoKitties together.
    Q. How much does it cost to buy a CryptoKitty?
    A. There’s no standard price for CryptoKitties. Users set their own starting price when they sell their Kitty, and the price goes down until the auction ends or the Kitty is purchased by another user.
    Q. Are CryptoKitties like Bitcoin?
    A. CryptoKitties are NOT a cryptocurrency. They’re more like a cryptocollectible. The real-world analogy for a cryptocurrency is dollars or pounds; a cryptocollectible’s real world analogy is closer to assets like baseball cards or fine art.
    Q. Does it cost money to play CryptoKitties?
    A. Unless you are an early access user (they get a free CryptoKitty), yes.

    Fraud Potential
    I do not know what an "early access" user is since the game is only a few days old. But I sure see a fraud potential: I will sell you my Cryptokitty for $20,000 if you buy mine for $20,000. The bagholder game stops as soon as some sucker not in the "early access" pool buys one.

    Virtual Beanie Babies
    Let's assume for some reason I am wrong about the fraud potential. In the absence of fraud, buyers still receive nothing more than a useless virtual beanie baby.

    At best, some greater-fool believer spent $113,000 for a virtual beanie baby.
    Fraud or not, it's absurd.

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    I think BTC is running up for 2 reasons: 1. The CME is supposed to start offering BTC futures this month, and 2. Its in the run-up before mass adoption. I have a little.

    I also threw a couple hundred at the CryptoKitties. XD Just started yesterday and am now already working on making back my investment. It's fun! Maybe a little too fun...:-p

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    When Bitcoins first came out I purchased $1500.00 when they were $22.00 for an investment. Now at my age I would like to cash this in to settle down and travel. Question is. Where can I cash in to receive my investment in USD's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meandk0610 View Post
    I think BTC is running up for 2 reasons: 1. The CME is supposed to start offering BTC futures this month, and 2. Its in the run-up before mass adoption. I have a little.

    I also threw a couple hundred at the CryptoKitties. XD Just started yesterday and am now already working on making back my investment. It's fun! Maybe a little too fun...:-p
    And this is part of the mania. It will affect all crypto-fill-in-the-blanks. After all, bitcoin surged, so surely others will as well.

    During the tulip bulb mania, I would wager that there were speculators in other flowers, they just weren't publicized as much.

    I'm certain there will be money made in these others, but they are ancillary manias. They, too, will crash. Think of them as penny stocks.

    One question you should ask yourself is if you only had $18,000, would you put it all in bitcoin? Also, are some stores no longer accepting bitcoin which previously did? These will be the canary in the mine indicators that holders need to look for.

    One of the key points I will make is that is really it will shortly no longer be a form of payment. It is quickly transitioning to an instrument of speculation and speculation only.
    Last edited by Sub-Zero; 12-08-2017 at 10:56 AM.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Vulture45-70 View Post
    When Bitcoins first came out I purchased $1500.00 when they were $22.00 for an investment. Now at my age I would like to cash this in to settle down and travel. Question is. Where can I cash in to receive my investment in USD's.
    Good for you!! I love hearing stories like that. Your investment is now worth over a million dollars. Where/how did you buy them? If you used something like Coinbase, you should be able to log into you account and sell them. You might need to link a bank account to transfer the money into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubilee on Earth View Post
    Good for you!! I love hearing stories like that. Your investment is now worth over a million dollars. Where/how did you buy them? If you used something like Coinbase, you should be able to log into you account and sell them. You might need to link a bank account to transfer the money into.
    Yes. And be prepared for a visit from law enforcement as the transaction will be reported. Nothing to fear as it is legal. But, make sure you get a great tax accountant, because you will need one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Northwet View Post
    I'll chine in here now.

    I posted about btc on another thread last week and just kind of stopped posting about it after I send private messages to a couple members who made really wonderful comments to me. I appreciate them for it.

    If you thought the Internet was the wild west, you were wrong, this is the real wild west! Cryptocurrency is so new that rules of law/securities law hasn't even been enacted yet. This is moving so fast that .gov can't even get abreast of it. There are scams all over it and very few prosecutions because the prosecutors don't even understand it yet.

    That being said; I bought 1 ounce of gold last year at this time for $1175, I sold it today for $1275. I made $100 profit, good! If I had made the same amount of purchase of btc, I would have 2 full coins now. So for the price of $1175, my speculation gain(not investing) would be $34,000!

    I think I've made my point.

    Guess where the money went from the ounce I sold...

    Now that being said; I wish there was some accurate charting on AD 1636-38, Holland-that would be a tell into the future.
    I'm struggling with the whole cryto currency thing here.....

    As a monetary form of exchange this is electronic representation of that?............if so what intrinsic value does it have?...........and if there is no intrinsic value but rather it represents an agreed upon fiat of monetary exchange then how does it rival the current US currency which certifications say can be used for all debts public or private?

    What I mean is I can go to the grocery store with fiat certificates (aka dollars) in my hand and buy food for them.............what do I do with bitcoins?........I'm not about to purchase anything online and would even all stores provide that?

    I mean if I get enough people to agree to it I could make up my own electronic fiat monetary exchange and claim validity to that?

    This is puzzeling to me..........

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Sub-Zero View Post
    Yes. And be prepared for a visit from law enforcement as the transaction will be reported. Nothing to fear as it is legal. But, make sure you get a great tax accountant, because you will need one.
    As long as capital gains are reported legally, like you said, there is nothing to fear.

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    Mixture of things going on with it but such a quick ramp up in value is dangerous. What goes up real fast can come down even faster. I'd lock in my gains while I can. A lot of people are getting in because of greed. They see the gains and they want to double or triple their money in a month. Wonder how much of that is leveraged? In the past people have taken out loans to buy stock and I'll guarantee you people are taking out loans to buy bitcoin right now. And those that can, some of the bigger players are chasing yield. They are desperate for yield. Where else can anyone go right now that is legal and get these kind of returns?

    Folks need to learn from history. Everyone knows how quick this is going up and most realize that prices can quickly tumble as well. People just think [or are hoping] that they are going to be quicker than everyone else and are going to get out before it goes down quickly. And with the exchanges as has been mentioned before you don't own a bitcoin....you have a claim on a bitcoin or part of a bitcoin. We know how the banksters play with Gold now...for every physical ounce of gold for delivery there are many claims thru paper against that Gold and they would be SOL if more than a fraction wanted to get their hands on the gold. The exchanges practice their own 'fractional reserve' as well as this is partly how they make their money.

    For people playing with this just be extremely careful and I would't have any more into it than what you could afford to lose if it goes south in a hurry. Because if Bitcon takes a major hit everyone is going to head for the exits at the same time and try to take their gains and the resulting price collapse could halve or more the current 'value'. Don't forget the .com bust and the housing bust. The former when the Internet was just becoming mainstream and the latter between 2005 and 2008 where people were buying houses on leverage to flip them to someone who was willing to pay more for it. Human nature doesn't change and just remember that when your in a casino and are gambling with the house....the house usually wins in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubilee on Earth View Post
    As long as capital gains are reported legally, like you said, there is nothing to fear.
    You might want to ask your accountant and attorney if placing them in a Charitable Remainder Trust would be a smart move. Make sure they know what it is rather than just accepting a "no". Lawyers will never admit they don't know something.

    You would get a huge tax deduction to offset taxes (more usable income) and still be able to use all but ten percent of the original asset. I know you're thinking capital gains tax is only... However, check out this option.

    You would need to place them in a CRT BEFORE the sale; that is very important.

    Look into it.
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    I mean if I get enough people to agree to it I could make up my own electronic fiat monetary exchange and claim validity to that?

    Venezuela is getting ready to offer one - you might as well join in too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-Zero View Post
    Yes. And be prepared for a visit from law enforcement as the transaction will be reported. Nothing to fear as it is legal. But, make sure you get a great tax accountant, because you will need one.
    Pay attention, here.

    Would suggest that you consult with a GOOD tax attorney BEFORE selling - there may be specifics that need to be paid attention to, in your case, and it is useful to know the entire lay of the "tax land" BEFORE liquidating any capital gain in today's world.


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    Something very strange is happening right now with Bitcoin prices
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    Looks as if something chopped off the upper range of that candlestick chart... I'd say it's a chart problem not a market problem.

    Got a link for the chart?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Looks as if something chopped off the upper range of that candlestick chart... I'd say it's a chart problem not a market problem.

    Got a link for the chart?
    https://m.investing.com/currencies/btc-usd

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    Hi Guys,
    Quick up date.

    Cryptocurrencies are still very profitable, as we discussed earlier. It is a wild but un-manipulated ride.

    The Banks are shaking in their boots. Lots of FUD. Lots of high rollers jumping in.

    Bitcoins Last major run to $19,000 and fall back to 13,000 seems to be over. Now BTC is knocking on $20,000.

    The $1.00 spread of the 10 most promising coins I bought 10 days ago is now up 300%. Three hundred percent!

    You still have time to join the fun... Experts predict major investment returns lasting at least 1-2 years at a minimum

    Setup your Coinbase.com, (regulated US company) exchange account now. It will take a week for them to process your application.
    You will need a tech savy assistant, if you are not a Pro like many here, to help you work the trading, stategies and cold wallet use.

    You must be very very patient during the wild yet honest emotional price swings. No Big Brother is there to calm the market.

    Here's hoping ya'll have safe and prosperous Christmas, Kwanza, Hannukah, and what ever.

    Paul

    PS: Two US Futures Trading Companies are now selling Bitcoin products/ contracts.. CBOT (last week) and CME (today). ETF's coming soon. This means Institutional Investors can now join in the fun.
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    up 300%

    On paper ...

    Until you lock it in (sell), it isn't real.
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    Dear Doz,

    I always appreciate your comments.

    I can trade these coins around very easily and speedily. No waiting 3-5 days while someone runs around in a brokerage backroom trying to find a stock or contract for me.

    Waiting to convert to FRN's. The ride is just beginning .

    Your concern is noted and I thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulture45-70 View Post
    When Bitcoins first came out I purchased $1500.00 when they were $22.00 for an investment. Now at my age I would like to cash this in to settle down and travel. Question is. Where can I cash in to receive my investment in USD's.
    Don't use them to cash for FRN. I put them into gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PghPanther View Post
    I'm struggling with the whole cryto currency thing here.....

    As a monetary form of exchange this is electronic representation of that?............if so what intrinsic value does it have?...........and if there is no intrinsic value but rather it represents an agreed upon fiat of monetary exchange then how does it rival the current US currency which certifications say can be used for all debts public or private?

    What I mean is I can go to the grocery store with fiat certificates (aka dollars) in my hand and buy food for them.............what do I do with bitcoins?........I'm not about to purchase anything online and would even all stores provide that?

    I mean if I get enough people to agree to it I could make up my own electronic fiat monetary exchange and claim validity to that?

    This is puzzeling to me..........
    You’re confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    up 300%

    On paper ...

    Until you lock it in (sell), it isn't real.
    I could, personally, bring this entire fustercluck to its knees, just by putting $100 into BitCoin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubilee on Earth View Post
    I don't know... people said the same thing about Facebook. When it went public, everyone laughed. When it went public at $26 a share, everyone laughed again. Understandably, because it was nothing more than a virtual place for people to hang out. But it's still here, at $180 a share.

    Also, everyone said the same about Amazon when it started to soar: "What goes up, must come down." But nope. Back in 2012, it was roughly $150 a share. Now it's $1,150 a share.

    I'm high-fiving anyone who has taken some risk with this and made a nice profit. I'm kicking myself for those (several) times where I thought about buying a couple hundred coins, and then said, "Nah... Bitcoin is just a fad." Had I not had that thought in my head, I could retire today with my millions.

    Just sayin'.
    This is what I have been saying for 6 weeks now. 6 weeks ago I finally woke up to the opportunity in bitcoin and have made over $10000 since! It is the greatest transference of wealth this generation will ever see.

    So glad I took the risk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    I mean if I get enough people to agree to it I could make up my own electronic fiat monetary exchange and claim validity to that?

    Venezuela is getting ready to offer one - you might as well join in too.
    There are MANY cryptos hitting the market. Bitcoin is the original and the leader. Many of the others will fail but some will last.

    The deal is that this is changing the dynamics of commerce. Cryptos are seriously controlled by the people. It is a market demand where the people will ultimately decide which ones survive. No more corporations or governments having all control. Do not get me wrong.... governments will eventually find a way to tax it but they will never shut digital currency down without shutting down the entire internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    up 300%

    On paper ...

    Until you lock it in (sell), it isn't real.
    I trade my bitcoin into $'s whenever I want. I can send it right into my bank account or I can load it to my bitpay visa card. Easy peasey! I love getting dollars for my bitcoin as I have made so much profit on my initial investment it is almost like free money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    Mixture of things going on with it but such a quick ramp up in value is dangerous. What goes up real fast can come down even faster. I'd lock in my gains while I can. A lot of people are getting in because of greed. They see the gains and they want to double or triple their money in a month. Wonder how much of that is leveraged? In the past people have taken out loans to buy stock and I'll guarantee you people are taking out loans to buy bitcoin right now. And those that can, some of the bigger players are chasing yield. They are desperate for yield. Where else can anyone go right now that is legal and get these kind of returns?

    Folks need to learn from history. Everyone knows how quick this is going up and most realize that prices can quickly tumble as well. People just think [or are hoping] that they are going to be quicker than everyone else and are going to get out before it goes down quickly. And with the exchanges as has been mentioned before you don't own a bitcoin....you have a claim on a bitcoin or part of a bitcoin. We know how the banksters play with Gold now...for every physical ounce of gold for delivery there are many claims thru paper against that Gold and they would be SOL if more than a fraction wanted to get their hands on the gold. The exchanges practice their own 'fractional reserve' as well as this is partly how they make their money.

    For people playing with this just be extremely careful and I would't have any more into it than what you could afford to lose if it goes south in a hurry. Because if Bitcon takes a major hit everyone is going to head for the exits at the same time and try to take their gains and the resulting price collapse could halve or more the current 'value'. Don't forget the .com bust and the housing bust. The former when the Internet was just becoming mainstream and the latter between 2005 and 2008 where people were buying houses on leverage to flip them to someone who was willing to pay more for it. Human nature doesn't change and just remember that when your in a casino and are gambling with the house....the house usually wins in the end.
    Many said the same when the automobile was created...."oh no one will ever use a motor driven carriage" same when the airplane was created......"why in the world would anyone want to fly through the air?" Also when the internet was created few thought it would be anything at all. Could you imagine living without the internet now? How about Amazon? Don't you wish you had some stock in amazon back when it was brand new?

    The deal with bitcoin is that it is not like stocks. Yea, it has come similarities but it is not stock at all. Bitcoin is based on the blockchain technology that WILL change the way all commerce and business is done over the next decade. Many will squawk at it saying it is a bubble but it is a technology and this technology will change everything you know about buying and selling.

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    I hear, "Bitcoin is not backed by anything" "there is no government oversight" and many other similar declarations.

    What is your dollar backed by? Not gold! What? The seal of the US? HAHAHA.. the US is so broke and corrupt (granted we have it better here than most of the world!) but seriously, our dollars are based on nothing but trust in the dollar.

    Crypto currency is also based on trust in the value. It is not controlled by any corporation or government which is exactly why it at least has a fighting chance at survival!!
    It brings power back to the people, finally!

    I am sick of the banking cartels in bed with our government stealing our hard earned tax dollars. I love bitcoin because I can depend on the corrupt systems less and less.

    In other nations around the world who have seen their fiat turn into trash they are jumping on bitcoin like crazy. As more and more government back fiats fail more people will start using bitcoin. In Europe bitcoin is easily used as currency, it is only here in the US that not as many retailers accept it.

    As soon as more retailers announce they will accept it the value will just continue to skyrocket!

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    Your a pretty young lady. Flag what you said and revisit this in another year if we're still here.
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    Lets Learn About Bitcoin:

    Andreas Antonopoulos is a wonderful spokesman for Bitcoin and the Block chain. He has a new book and many Youtubes.

    https://youtu.be/l1si5ZWLgy0 is an "Introduction to Bitcoin" and runs about 37 minutes.

    His books are carried many places including Amazon.

    The Internet of Money Book Series(2 books)
    by Andreas M. Antonopoulos

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...=1SU4X7RVJ65D9

    Please watch the Youtube and then come back and some of us who like cryptocoins, and their place in a positive future, with the blockchain systems, will try and provide answers to your sincere questions.


    YMMV

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    ...As I understand it, there are a total of 21 million of them. There can never be more created. Also, that they are infinitely divisible. This is an artificial scarcity, in a manner of speaking. ...

    Where I come from, a scarcity of money = deflation. Now the late Murray Rothbard used to argue that a properly run gold standard deflates 1/2% per year. In other words, store gold in your mattress and it grows in value 1/2% per year. Remove your money from the economy and you are rewarded by an increase in wealth. Why do I think such a system does not have a long range future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troke View Post
    ...As I understand it, there are a total of 21 million of them. There can never be more created. Also, that they are infinitely divisible. This is an artificial scarcity, in a manner of speaking. ...

    Where I come from, a scarcity of money = deflation. Now the late Murray Rothbard used to argue that a properly run gold standard deflates 1/2% per year. In other words, store gold in your mattress and it grows in value 1/2% per year. Remove your money from the economy and you are rewarded by an increase in wealth. Why do I think such a system does not have a long range future?
    To elaborate a bit more, as I understand it, bitcoin is infinitely divisible. Right now, it only goes out to eight decimal places. However, there is nothing preventing that from changing in the future. It is truly limited to 21 million coins, but if you bring it our the maximum allowable eight digits it equals 2,100,000,000,000,000 units, or 2.1 quadrillion as it currently stands. If you multiply that by its current value of $18,000, that equals 3.78E19 dollars, or $37,800,000,000,000,000,000.00 or $37.8 quintillion.

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  39. If you aren’t getting into the crypto currency game within the next 6 months, you'll be kicking yourself. We know someone who cashed out only a fraction of their Bitcoin this morning, with the intention of paying off their two cars. It’s very real, my friends. I know sooooo many people who insisted that ebooks were going to fail. That smart phones were just an expensive fad. That Facebook wouldn’t make it 5 years. That MP3 players and digital music wasn’t sustainable. The world is increasingly and exponentially more high tech every single year, and the late adapters always finally come around once it's mainstream. Don’t be one of those people... do yourself a favor and at least watch some videos about it. There’s a ton of them on You Tube. There are over 1300 crypto currencies right now, most of them under a dollar. Some will fail, yes. But several, if not many, are going to be around for the long haul and end up being BIG. What’s emerging are cryptos based on industry and interest. Blockchain technology for gamers, for aviation, for real estate lending, for publishing. Blockchain is freakin cool, and it’s definitely not going anywhere.

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    Is there an exchange that doesn't require the extensive verification process? Six months ago I tried gatehub but the verification didn't work. Other than the onerous routine of providing copies of your driver license and other stuff they require a physical address and not a PO Box. I use a PO Box for two reasons. Primarily because I live out in the boonies and physical mail address is very difficult and the other reason is for personal security reasons. And everything goes to the PO Box including utility statements as well as tax statements, ect. How about changelly? Do they require the extensive verification or anyone have other ideas that they have used.

    And no, I'm not hoping on the bitcoin or crypto wagon. As I've suggested before a short term speculation with only putting in what your willing to lose and see where it goes will be the extent of it for me. I know what butters my bread and it isn't crypto's. So what are people using for the exchanges that require the minimal amount of 'snooping'. Not trying to avoid US currency laws but just the difficulty of signing up due to reporting requirements. About the only 'currency' I would speculate on would be Ripple [XRP] prime reason is it's cheap [still below $1] and it's a favorite of the banksters. If the banks like it you know what will happen to the value in time.

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