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TERRORISM PALESTINIANS: THREE DAYS OF RAGE OVER TRUMP'S DECISION ON JERUSALEM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliobas Disciple View Post
    I'll make a prediction. These protests will last a day or two internationally then blow over. The big protests in Jerusalem will last over the weekend, and continue in a toned down version for months, but they've never really gone away so it won't be more than they're used to. I think to save face amongst their constituents, nations like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt have to make bold statements, but behind the scenes are probably not as ruffled as they appear. Also keep in mind how much money or other aid these countries get from the USA. Especially Fatah. Trump can exert pressure to tone it down after letting folks let steam off for a few days. I have faith in Pres Trump, that he did his homework and had the talks necessary before he made this move. That's my prognostication for the weekend fwiw.

    HD/trying to stay optimistic
    This is the first day of rage...several dozen protestors in a couple of cities, strong words from some 'leaders'.
    Friday there will be more protests and rock throwing...
    like last Friday when there were protests and rock throwing...]
    like the Friday before that when there were protests and rockthrowing.
    And in the coming week, some Americans and Christians will be killed...
    like last week when Americans and Christians were killed..
    like the week before that when Americans and Chrlstians were killed..
    There are more bigger, badder things bumping around, just like last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by don24mac View Post
    You do know that it was President Bill Clinton that signed the Act declaring and recognizing Jerusalem as the Capital back in 1995. Since then, waivers have been signed by Bush and Obama to delay the transfer of our embassy to Jerusalem. Trump just stated that he'll act on the original law and allow it to go into effect. Although he will have to sign another waiver while they secure a site and build the actual embassy.
    Clinton DID NOT sign it. Did you actually read the article?

    He WAS HOWEVER, the first to sign the waiver postponing construction and the move and every President has signed a waiver every 6 months since then postponing it.


    snip// https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.60e1c8a72eb0


    The bill was not signed into law by then-President Bill Clinton. Clinton had made an early effort to craft a new peace agreement in the Middle East, forging the Oslo accords between Israel and Palestinians, signed in 1993 and September 1995. (Rabin’s support for the accords was apparently one of the things that motivated his assassin.) The Embassy Act, Clinton said in a statement, “could hinder the peace process. I will not let this happen and will use the legislation’s waiver authority to avoid damage to the peace process.”

    That waiver authority was a critical escape valve for Clinton and his successors. Initially, the legislation introduced by then-Kansas senator Bob Dole (R) mandated that groundbreaking on a new embassy in Jerusalem begin in 1996. To quell concerns from Clinton allies on the Hill, Dole added a provision that allowed the president to postpone implementation of the move for six months if “such suspension is necessary to protect the national security interests of the United States.”

    The bill became law after Clinton declined to sign it for a 10-day period while Congress was in session. He, George W. Bush and Barack Obama all postponed the embassy move every six months for each of the 22 years since the law was enacted.
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    Yes... I read the article--too fast probably. You're right. It did become law during that year, with all the waivers subsequently signed, beginning with Pres. Clinton to prevent (or delay) it's implementation up until now with Trump.

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    Looks like the dune coons are ready to kick it up a notch.


    Hezbollah’s Nasrallah backs call for new Palestinian intifada

    Lebanese Hezbollah has backed calls by the Palestinian armed group Hamas to launch a new uprising against Israel in response to the US recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state, Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, said in a televised address.

    “The most important response would be a Palestinian uprising and an Islamic summit that would declare Jerusalem as the eternal capital of Palestine,” Nasrallah said, as quoted by Lebanon’s Naharnet TV.

    "We support the call for a new Palestinian intifada [uprising] and escalating the resistance which is the biggest, most important and gravest response to the American decision," he added.

    Nasrallah also called for unity and support for the resistance among Muslims in the face of Wednesday’s announcement by President Donald Trump.

    Earlier Thursday, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said “we should call for, and we should work on launching an intifada in the face of the Zionist enemy" in response to the US move.

    Trump’s unilateral decision on recognizing the contested city of Jerusalem as Israel's capital was taken despite the Palestinians viewing the eastern part of the city as the future capital of their sovereign state.

    Nasrallah pointed out that Washington disregarded the Palestinians “although it is the guarantor of the agreements” between Israel and the Palestinians. Trump, by his announcement, told Israel that Jerusalem “is for you, and it is under your sovereignty,” Hezbollah's leader said.

    He warned that Muslim people and their sacred sites in the city, including the al-Aqsa Mosque, are now in “extreme danger.”

    “Do not be surprised if one day we wake up to find al-Aqsa Mosque demolished,” Nasrallah declared calling for a Monday rally in the Lebanese capital, Beirut. “What will be the fate of the Palestinian residents in Jerusalem? What will be the fate of the Palestinian properties in Jerusalem? Will they be appropriated or demolished?”

    Israel regards Iran-backed Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, blaming the group for firing rockets into Israeli territory as well as other provocations. Tel-Aviv has waged two wars against Hezbollah, with the latest conflict in 2006 leaving over a thousand civilians dead in Lebanon during a month of fighting. Hezbollah convoys inside Syria have also been a frequent targets of airstrikes by Israeli warplanes in recent years.

    “The support of Hezbollah is a quite an important and a meaningful factor” for the Palestinians, Vyacheslav Matuzov, Society for Friendship and Business Cooperation with Arab Countries, told RT. However, he said it would require the Palestinian Authority to encourage an intifada and for the people to “go out into the streets.” Matuzov said he's unsure if Mahmoud Abbas is eager to support calls of an uprising as voiced by Hamas and Hezbollah. “For now, it’s a diplomatic rivalry,” the former emissary said, referring to the Palestinian president’s consultations with foreign leaders on the issue of US recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

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    Considering the source of the article....Hummm....

    For links see article source.....
    Posted for fair use.....
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-trump/547610/

    The Jerusalem Announcement Won't Really Hurt America's Arab Alliances

    Don’t make the mistake of assuming that Muslim-majority countries are in any real sense “pro-Muslim.”

    SHADI HAMID DEC 6, 2017

    Most Arab countries won’t care much about Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, which might seem counterintuitive. The official announcement, though, comes at an important and peculiar time, when Arab regimes—particularly Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Egypt—find themselves more aligned than ever with Israel on regional priorities. They all share, along with the Trump administration, a near obsession with Iran as the source of the region’s evils; a dislike, and even hatred, of the Muslim Brotherhood; and an opposition to the intent and legacy of the Arab Spring.

    The Saudi Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman, has developed a close relationship with Trump senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner (who recently outlined the administration’s Middle East vision at my institution, Brookings). If Saudi officials, including the crown prince himself, were particularly concerned with Jerusalem’s status, they would presumably have used their privileged status as a top Trump ally and lobbied the administration to hold off on such a needlessly toxic move. As my colleague Shibley Telhami argues, there was little compelling reason, in either foreign policy or domestic political terms, for Trump to do this. This is a gratuitous announcement, if there ever was one, and it’s unlikely Trump would have followed through if the Saudis had drawn something resembling a red line, so to speak.

    It appears that the Saudi regime may have done the opposite. As The New York Times reported:

    According to Palestinian, Arab and European officials who have heard Mr. Abbas’s version of the conversation, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman presented a plan that would be more tilted toward the Israelis than any ever embraced by the American government.

    Falling short of even what previous Israeli leaders Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert had considered, the Saudi proposal, by the Times’s account, would have asked Palestinians to accept limited sovereignty in the West Bank and forfeit claims on Jerusalem. Whether or not the Saudi crown prince presented this “plan” out of sincerity or as a gambit to lower the bar and pressure Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to make concessions is almost beside the point. That these ideas were even so much as floated suggests a Saudi regime increasingly close to both Israel as well as the Trump administration. (The Saudi government denied any changes in its position on Jerusalem in an official statement.)

    These are odd positions for the Saudi leadership to be in. As the birthplace of Islam and custodian of the faith’s two holiest sites, Saudi Arabia has long presented itself as a protector and representative of Muslims worldwide. Yet it now finds itself in close embrace with the most anti-Muslim administration in U.S. history and stands as one of the few countries genuinely enthusiastic about Trump’s foreign-policy agenda.

    Why would an Islamic state—one still governed by a strict interpretation of Islamic law—be so seemingly at ease with such an openly Islamophobic government? Wouldn’t Trump’s incitement against Muslims in early morning tweets give them pause? Thinking as much would make the mistake of assuming that Muslim-majority countries, even ones historically associated with Islam, are in any real sense “pro-Muslim.” They aren’t.

    In effect if not in intent, few are as indifferent to Muslim life as Arab countries are. It may be hard for Arabs to admit, but Israel, for all the suffering it has inflicted on the Palestinian territories, has proven—in relative terms—more respectful of Muslim life than most Arab regimes. Nothing Israel has done, or probably could do, can compare to the ongoing Saudi-led intervention in Yemen, which has been roundly condemned as a moral and humanitarian catastrophe of unusual proportions.

    No one, then, should fall under the illusion that declaring Jerusalem Israel’s capital will harm America’s alliances with most, or even many, Arab nations (Jordan being a notable exception). The fact that most Arab countries are autocracies, though, complicates the matter, since unelected, unaccountable regimes do not generally reflect popular sentiment, particularly when it comes to the Palestinian conflict. Arab leaders have been content to use Palestine and Palestinians for rhetorical effect and to absorb or deflect popular anger over their own failures and missteps. But for Arab populations, Palestine still matters, even if primarily on a symbolic level (and if we’ve learned anything in recent years, it’s that symbols matter).

    To be sure, Arabs are preoccupied with their own domestic problems, and the centrality of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has always been overstated. But the status of Jerusalem, Islam’s third holiest site, has a way of resonating and sharpening divides. Why even test the proposition? Trump’s move on Jerusalem isn’t the end of the world or even the end of the peace process—which has been a fiction for some time now—but why give extremists or even non-extremists another way to stoke anti-American sentiment? Why further undermine an already undermined Palestinian Authority? If only there were Arab governments that were confident, cared about actual Muslims, and could reflect and convey the frustration that no doubt many Arabs will be feeling in the days and weeks ahead. That Arab world, as we’ve been reminded this week, does not exist.

    ABOUT THE AUTHOR

    SHADI HAMID is a contributing editor at The Atlantic and a senior fellow at the Project on U.S. Relations with the Islamic World at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of Islamic Exceptionalism: How the Struggle Over Islam Is Reshaping the World, and a co-editor of the new book Rethinking Political Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nchomemaker View Post
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    It will be Friday 6 pm in Jerusalem in exactly 30 minutes from now. It is 7:30 am PST for me. Already we have had massive demonstrations/riots in every major Muslim country from Indonesia/Malaysia and Europe and the USA.

    Now that all the major terrorist groups: HAMAS, Hezzbollah, Al-Qaida, and ISIS are in the game, we will start to see actual terror attacks. If Saudi Arabia isn't seen as attacking Trump over Jerusualem, the ruling guy will simply be overthrown.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/509457...-embassy-move/

    RAGE AROUND THE WORLD Jerusalem riots spread globally as terror group Hamas promises ‘day of rage’ over Trump over embassy move

    Donald Trump sparked protests after announcing the US would recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
    By Emma Lake
    8th December 2017, 11:30 am
    Updated: 8th December 2017, 3:32 pm

    RIOTS sparked by Donald Trump’s provocative move to recognise the Holy City of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital have spread around the globe.

    Furious protesters have joined rallies in countries including Malaysia, Indonesia, Iran, Syria and even America after terror group Hamas called for a “day of rage” in response to the US President’s announcement.


    Muslims in Indonesia and Malaysia joined rallies outside the countries’ US embassies with Malaysia’s sports minister Khairy Jamaluddin threatening “the world will rise against the United States”.

    Hundreds have also taken part in protests in Iran where state TV aired footage of marchers chanting “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” while holding up Palestinian flags and banners.

    Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas, which runs the Gaza Strip, has called for a “day of rage” with its leader Ismail Haniya said a new upraising should be launched.

    Hundreds more police officers have been deployed in Jerusalem’s Old City today with further conflicts feared.

    Protests against Donald Trumps decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel have spread to Indonesia



    Protesters in Indonesia have taken to the street to demonstrate against the decision
    Stones thrown in Ramallah met with tear gas as anger follows Donald Trump's naming of Jerusalem as Israeli capital

    Thursday saw clashes between Palestinians and Israeli troops in cities throughout the West Bank – including the holy city of Bethlehem – with at least 16 Palestinians wounded.

    Early reports suggested injuries were mostly from tear gas and rubber bullets, but at least one demonstrator was hurt by live fire.

    Trump’s announcement was met by an major diplomatic backlash as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lavished praise on the president.

    EU diplomatic chief Federica Mogherini said the decision could take the region “backwards to even darker times”.

    While Russian President Vladimir Putin said he was “deeply concerned” and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said it would put the region in a “ring of fire”.




    Thousands gathered in front of the US embassy in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, today



    Protesters set fires during clashes in Gaza City as they demonstrated against Trump’s announcement


    Violent clashes have already seen 16 Palestinians injured

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    Protests have even been seen in the US with hundreds taking to the streets in Chicago


    The Chicago Tribune reports that protesters shouted “free Palestine” as they marched through the city


    The Chicago protest brought traffic in the city to a standstill but remained peaceful

    The United Nations Security Council will meet later today to discuss Trump’s announcement.

    Unrest looks set to continue with Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas threatening to refuse to meet US Vice President Mike Pence when he visits the region later this month.

    In Lebanon, Hassan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, called for a mass demonstration on Monday while protests are also planned in Turkey and Malaysia.

    Demonstrations have even been seen in the US with several hundred protesters taking to the street in Chicago chanting “free Palestine”.

    Palestinians burn an Israeli flag during a demonstration in Damascus, Syria



    Protests against President Trump’s ruling held in Quetta, Pakistan


    A protestor waves the Palestinian flag at the Jaramana camp in Damascus


    Why is Jerusalem fought over?

    President Trump’s decision to officially recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has added further fuel to the long-running fued over the disputed region.

    Israel claims all of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim the city’s eastern sector as the capital of its future independent state.

    Israel controls the city and its government is based there but its annexation of East Jerusalem is not globally recognised and its construction of dozens of settlements in the territory is considered illegal under international law.

    The city is so important because of its religious significance.

    The conflict is focused largely on the Old City – home to Jerusalem’s most important Jewish, Christian and Muslim holy sites.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said the US had “withdrawn from its role in the peace process” and insisted Jerusalem was the “eternal capital of the State of Palestine”.

    Theresa May insisted Jerusalem’s status should be agreed by both Israel and Palestine and said she wants the two countries to have the city as a “shared capital”.

    She said she disagreed with Donald Trump’s “unhelpful” decision, after earlier telling the House of Commons: “We continue to support a two-state solution. We recognise the importance of Jerusalem.”

    France’s Emmanuel Macron called on the White House to step back from the announcement — while Pope Francis defended the “status quo” of the city as he prayed that “wisdom and prudence prevail”.
    US President Donald Trump says, 'it is time to officially recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel'

    https://apnews.com/98963890bcd247319...erusalem-pivot

    Clashes erupt across West Bank, Gaza over US Jerusalem pivot
    By ILAN BEN ZION and MOHAMMED DARAGHMEH
    56 minutes ago
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    JERUSALEM (AP) — Palestinians clashed with Israeli troops across the West Bank and Gaza, and Muslim worshippers from Jordan to Indonesia poured into the streets after Friday prayers to protest President Donald Trump’s recognition of contested Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    At least one Palestinian was killed in skirmishes between protesters and Israeli troops along the Gaza border fence, the Palestinian Health Ministry said. Dozens more were reported wounded in clashes in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

    Protesters burned Israeli and U.S. flags or stomped on Trump posters in displays of anger.

    In the West Bank, demonstrators torched heaps of tires, sending columns of thick black smoke rising over the cities of Ramallah and Bethlehem. Palestinian stone-throwers traded volleys in the streets with soldiers firing tear gas and rubber bullets.

    The Israeli military reported protests at 30 locations across the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and said Israeli forces arrested six people.

    Red Crescent paramedics and Palestinian health officials reported 13 people wounded by live fire and 47 by rubber bullets in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Dozens more suffered from tear gas inhalation, medics said.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWa_uUl5ds

    A man waving a Palestinian flag launched an attack on a Jewish restaurant in Amsterdam just hours after Trump announced that the US now recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Video filmed by a bystander shows the man using a piece of wood to smash in the windows of the kosher venue in Willemspark, one of Amsterdam's most affluent neighbourhoods, on Thursday morning.

    The man was reportedly screaming 'Allahu Akbar' - God is Great - during the attack on the restaurant, which a Dutch Jewish organisation has branded 'an act of terror'.

    Video shows how two police officers appear to try to calm him down, but he continues to vandalise the front of the building, before breaking into the seemingly closed venue through the glass door.

    The footage from AT5 shows the man, who is wearing a black and white Keffiyeh scarf which has become a symbol of Palestine, emerge from the restaurant with an Israeli flag.

    As soon as he comes out again, the two police officers spray him with pepper spray and slam him to the ground.

    Amsterdam police said in a statement that a 29-year-old man had been arrested after the incident and that an investigation has been launched.

    A spokesperson confirmed to MailOnline that police had arrived at the scene and arrested the suspect within five minutes of being called at around 10.50am.

    Police made efforts to speak to the perpetrator and make a non-violent arrest, but were forced to use pepper spray to subdue him.
    'We are disgusted,' the Organization of Jewish Communities in The Netherlands said in a statement in response to the attack.

    The attack was 'an act of revenge, meant to instil fear, and is no less than an act of terror.'

    The 29-year-old, described as 'residing in the Netherlands, has been remanded in custody and charged with criminal damage.

    Dutch media has linked the attack to the President Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Wednesday evening.

    Today, the Islamist group Hamas urged Palestinians on to abandon peace efforts and launch a new uprising against Israel.
    'We should call for and we should work on launching an intifada (Palestinian uprising) in the face of the Zionist enemy,' Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh said in a speech in Gaza.

    Haniyeh, elected the group's overall leader in May, urged Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs to hold rallies against the U.S decision on Friday, calling it a 'day of rage'.

    The status of Jerusalem - home to sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian religions - is one of the biggest obstacles to reaching a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.

    Israel already considers the whole of Jerusalem its capital, while Palestinians want eastern Jerusalem as the capital of an independent Palestine state.

    Trump announced his administration would begin a process of moving the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a step expected to take years and one that his predecessors opted not to take to avoid inflaming tensions.

    A number of world leaders have been critical of Trump's move, including leading politicians in France, the UK, Turkey and across the Middle East. Both China and Russia have also expressed concern.

    The EU's foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said: 'The European Union has a clear and united position. We believe the only realistic solution to the conflict between Israel and Palestine is based on two states and with Jerusalem as the capital of both.'
    The United Nations Security Council is likely to meet on Friday to discuss the U.S. decision, diplomats said.
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    Please realize, this is a spiritual conflict more than anything in the physical world. Jesus Christ, the King of Kings is going to come back and rule and reign from Jerusalem. The devils of this world don't want that to happen, so their commander in chief, Satan is going to do everything he can to try and prevent that. But if you know the Bible, you know who wins in the end. But before that happens, all hell will break loose and indeed, Jerusalem is that burdensome stone.

    It's very telling what side the Pope is aligning himself with.

    Pope, Erdogan in telephone talks over Jerusalem:
    Turkish leader thanks the pontiff for his support; both said to strongly oppose changing status quo in the holy city.

    ISTANBUL, Turkey — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday held telephone talks with Pope Francis to discuss the crisis triggered by the recognition by the United States of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, state media said.

    The Turkish leader and head of the Roman Catholic Church have both strongly opposed the move announced by US President Donald Trump, and Erdogan has called an emergency summit meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on December 13.

    The state-run Anadolu news agency gave no further details but NTV television said Erdogan and Francis shared their concern over the situation.

    Citing presidential sources, it said that Erdogan expressed his appreciation to Francis for his stance on the issue and both agreed the status quo should not be changed.

    Last year, Turkey and Israel ended a rift triggered by Israel’s storming in 2010 of a ship trying to break the Gaza blockade that left 10 Turkish activists dead and led to a downgrading of diplomatic ties.

    The two sides have since stepped up cooperation, particularly in energy, but Erdogan, who regards himself as a champion of the Palestinian cause, is still often bitterly critical of Israeli policy.

    Erdogan earlier warned Trump that the move would put the region in a “ring of fire”.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-e...usalem-report/

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    Quote Originally Posted by nchomemaker View Post
    Please realize, this is a spiritual conflict more than anything in the physical world. Jesus Christ, the King of Kings is going to come back and rule and reign from Jerusalem. The devils of this world don't want that to happen, so their commander in chief, Satan is going to do everything he can to try and prevent that. But if you know the Bible, you know who wins in the end. But before that happens, all hell will break loose and indeed, Jerusalem is that burdensome stone.

    It's very telling what side the Pope is aligning himself with.

    Pope, Erdogan in telephone talks over Jerusalem:
    Turkish leader thanks the pontiff for his support
    ; both said to strongly oppose changing status quo in the holy city.

    ISTANBUL, Turkey — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday held telephone talks with Pope Francis to discuss the crisis triggered by the recognition by the United States of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, state media said.

    The Turkish leader and head of the Roman Catholic Church have both strongly opposed the move announced by US President Donald Trump, and Erdogan has called an emergency summit meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on December 13.

    The state-run Anadolu news agency gave no further details but NTV television said Erdogan and Francis shared their concern over the situation.

    Citing presidential sources, it said that Erdogan expressed his appreciation to Francis for his stance on the issue and both agreed the status quo should not be changed.

    Last year, Turkey and Israel ended a rift triggered by Israel’s storming in 2010 of a ship trying to break the Gaza blockade that left 10 Turkish activists dead and led to a downgrading of diplomatic ties.

    The two sides have since stepped up cooperation, particularly in energy, but Erdogan, who regards himself as a champion of the Palestinian cause, is still often bitterly critical of Israeli policy.

    Erdogan earlier warned Trump that the move would put the region in a “ring of fire”.

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    I was just coming to post that story ( Which I got off of your wonderful link! )...

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    I was just coming to post that story ( Which I got off of your wonderful link! )...

    The AntiChrist and False Prophet get together???
    I know you have written about that subject. For anyone who wants to be your student, maybe you can post the link to your pdf book, so as not to derail this thread.

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    I'm very surprised there haven't a bunch of innocent people killed yet. The guy in Amsterdam with an AK-47 for example. Still, the two other infitata's went on for several YEARS each. I see no reason why this violence can't keep going and going.

    I am glad I left the Roman Catholic Church over the abuse issues. The current Pope is a heretic plain and simple.

    I have noticed every thread here seems to turn into a religious one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post

    I have noticed every thread here seems to turn into a religious one.
    The very root of our problems today are spiritual. Carnal mankind that we are all born into can only discern the physical and the symptoms at the core it's all a spiritual issue.
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    I'm very surprised there haven't a bunch of innocent people killed yet. The guy in Amsterdam with an AK-47 for example. Still, the two other infitata's went on for several YEARS each. I see no reason why this violence can't keep going and going.

    I am glad I left the Roman Catholic Church over the abuse issues. The current Pope is a heretic plain and simple.

    I have noticed every thread here seems to turn into a religious one.
    No apology from me for turning the thread into a "religious one". "The Word of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple." If someone cannot see or does not care how relevant the prophetic scriptures are for a time as ours, then I just feel sorry for them. I refrained from posting specific scriptures, and I refrained from discussing who could be the Antichrist and False Prophet. I will not refrain from using the Bible as my source of wisdom, as my love and respect for it, won't allow me to keep silent.

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    Media reporting a rocket launched from #Gaza, hit a parked car in Sderot. No injuries reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nchomemaker View Post
    No apology from me for turning the thread into a "religious one". "The Word of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple." If someone cannot see or does not care how relevant the prophetic scriptures are for a time as ours, then I just feel sorry for them. I refrained from posting specific scriptures, and I refrained from discussing who could be the Antichrist and False Prophet. I will not refrain from using the Bible as my source of wisdom, as my love and respect for it, won't allow me to keep silent.
    I agree, because there is a point where we all will be required to decide which side of the line we stand with our Lord.
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    Hmm, it didn't take very long for HAMAS to start shooting rockets into Southern Israel, now did it?

    We can expect a robust IDF military response to any such attacks. This means we should be seeing a story about the IDF firing tank shells, or 155mm artillery shells, into Gaza shortly.

    Obviously, I am aware of the spiritual aspects of all this. People think this will all "die down" soon. Well I don't think it will. Right now we are dealing with civilians rioting in virtually every major Muslim country, from Indonesia to Europe, to the USA and the Middle East. I fully expect the "big boys" to get involved: HAMAS firing rockets into Southern Israel, Hezzbollah firing rockets into Northern Israel, and Israel sending in fighter jets into both Syria and Lebanon to counter that.

    Yep, Muslim can't accept Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. I posted the Zechariah bible verse a few posts back. I was in the US Army back in October of 1973 when the Yom Kippur War started. It is entirely possible we are going to see the "Hanukka War," start in response to Jerusalem being accepted by both the USA and now the Czech Republic. Ragnarok explains it better than I can, but Islam simply can't accept Jerusalem becoming the official capital of Israel. And they are going to burn the Middle East to the ground in response.

    For those of us who understand Bible Prophecy, of which I include myself, these are both exciting and terrifying times to live in.
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    The Muslim chaos is picking up steam.

    The link is here.

    http://www.oann.com/israel-allows-je...n-day-of-rage/

    Two dead in ‘Day of Rage’ over Jerusalem, Palestinian president defiant

    December 8, 2017

    By Ali Sawafta and Nidal al-Mughrabi

    JERUSALEM/GAZA (Reuters) – At least two people were killed in clashes with Israeli troops on Friday when thousands of Palestinians demonstrated against U.S. President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and the Palestinian president said Washington could no longer be a peace broker.

    Across the Arab and Muslim worlds, thousands more protesters took to the streets on the Muslim holy day to express solidarity with the Palestinians and outrage at Trump’s reversal of decades of U.S. policy.

    Israeli soldiers shot dead a Palestinian man near the Gaza border, the first confirmed death in two days of unrest. Scores of people were wounded on the “Day of Rage”. A second person later died of their wounds, a Gaza hospital official said.

    The Israeli army said hundreds of Palestinians were rolling burning tyres and throwing rocks at soldiers across the border.

    “During the riots IDF soldiers fired selectively towards two main instigators and hits were confirmed,” it said.

    More than 80 Palestinians were wounded in the occupied West Bank and Gaza by Israeli live fire and rubber bullets, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance service. Dozens more suffered from tear gas inhalation. Thirty-one were wounded on Thursday.

    As Friday prayers ended at the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, worshippers made their way toward the walled Old City gates, chanting “Jerusalem is ours, Jerusalem is our capital” and “We don’t need empty words, we need stones and Kalashnikovs”. Scuffles broke out between protesters and police.

    In Hebron, Bethlehem and Nablus, dozens of Palestinians threw stones at Israeli soldiers who fired back with tear gas.

    In Gaza, controlled by the Islamist group Hamas, calls for worshippers to protest sounded over mosque loudspeakers. Hamas has called for a new Palestinian uprising like the “intifadas” of 1987-1993 and 2000-2005, which together saw thousands of Palestinians and more than 1,000 Israelis killed.

    “Whoever moves his embassy to occupied Jerusalem will become an enemy of the Palestinians and a target of Palestinian factions,” said Hamas leader Fathy Hammad as protesters in Gaza burned posters of Trump.

    “We declare an intifada until the liberation of Jerusalem and all of Palestine.”

    Protests largely died down as night fell. Rocket sirens sounded in southern Israeli towns near the Gaza border, and the Israeli military said it had intercepted one of at least two projectiles fired from Gaza. No casualties were reported.

    Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade, a militant group linked to Abbas’s Fatah party, claimed responsibility for firing one of the rockets, and said it was in protest against Trump’s decision.

    The military said another rocket hit the Israeli town of Sderot. No casualties were reported.

    Israel’s military said that in response to the rocket fire, its aircraft bombed militant targets in Gaza and the Palestinian Health Ministry said at least 25 people were wounded in the strikes, including six children.

    The Israeli military said it had carried out the strikes on a militant training camp and on a weapons depot. Witnesses said most of the wounded were residents of a building near the camp.

    At the United Nations, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said Washington still had credibility as a mediator.

    “The United States has credibility with both sides. Israel will never be, and should never be, bullied into an agreement by the United Nations, or by any collection of countries that have proven their disregard for Israel’s security,” Haley told the U.N. Security Council.

    But Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas appeared defiant.

    “We reject the American decision over Jerusalem. With this position the United States has become no longer qualified to sponsor the peace process,” Abbas said in a statement. He did not elaborate further.

    France, Italy, Germany, Britain and Sweden called on the United States to “bring forward detailed proposals for an Israeli-Palestinian settlement”.

    “PROMISE FULFILLED”

    Trump’s announcement on Wednesday has infuriated the Arab world and upset Western allies. The status of Jerusalem has been one of the biggest obstacles to a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians for generations.

    Israel considers all of Jerusalem to be its capital. Palestinians want the eastern part of the city as the capital of a future independent state of their own.

    Most countries consider East Jerusalem, which Israel annexed after capturing it in the 1967 Middle East War, to be occupied territory. It includes the Old City, home to sites considered holy to Muslims, Jews and Christians alike.

    For decades, Washington, like most of the rest of the international community, held back from recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, saying its status should be determined as part of the Palestinian-Israeli peace process. No other country has an embassy there.

    The Trump administration argues that the peace process has become moribund, and outdated policies need to be jettisoned for the sides in the conflict to make progress.

    Trump has also noted that Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton all promised as candidates to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. “I fulfilled my campaign promise – others didn’t!” Trump tweeted on Friday with a video montage of campaign speeches on the issue by his three predecessors.

    U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Friday it would still be up to the Israelis and Palestinians to hammer out all other issues surrounding the city in future talks.

    “With respect to the rest of Jerusalem, the president … did not indicate any final status for Jerusalem. He was very clear that the final status, including the borders, would be left to the two parties to negotiate and decide.”

    Still, some Muslim countries view the Trump administration’s motives with particular suspicion. As a candidate he proposed banning all Muslims from entering the United States, and in office he has tried to block entry by citizens of several Muslim-majority states.

    “DEATH TO THE DEVIL”

    In Ramallah, the seat of Abbas’s Palestinian Authority, the leader’s religious affairs adviser said Trump’s stance was an affront to Islam and Christianity alike.

    “America has chosen to elect a president who has put it in enmity with all Muslims and Christians,” said Mahmoud al-Habbash.

    In Iran, which has never recognized Israel and supports anti-Israel militants, demonstrators burned pictures of Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu while chanting “Death to the Devil”.

    In Cairo, capital of Egypt, a U.S. ally which has a peace treaty with Israel, hundreds of protesters who had gathered in Al-Azhar mosque and outside in its courtyard chanted “Jerusalem is Arab! O Trump, you madman, the Arab people are everywhere!”

    Al Azhar’s Imam, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, rejected an invitation to meet U.S. Vice President Mike Pence.

    Large demonstrations also took place in Jordan, Tunisia, Somalia, Yemen, Malaysia and Indonesia, and hundreds protested outside the U.S. embassy in Berlin.

    France said the United States had sidelined itself in the Middle East. “The reality is they are alone and isolated on this issue,” Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said.

    (Additional reporting by Ammar Awad, Omar Fahmy and Maayan Lubell, John Irish in Paris and Michelle Nichols at the United Nations; Editing by Yara Bayoumy and James Dalgleish)
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    Here are some pictures showing just how bad the situation truly is. Video and pictures at the link.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...s-around-world

    "Jerusalem is Arab! Oh, Trump, You Madman": Dramatic Photos From "Day Of Rage" Protests Around The World
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    The global outrage against Trump's unilateral decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital continued for a second day, and overnight the Muslim world was swept by a wave of deadly protests as millions protested Trump's announcement in a "day of rage". As reported earlier, a man was killed and hundreds injured in clashes in the West Bank, while US flags were burned at mass rallies in Iran, Pakistan and elsewhere.


    According to Reuters, over 200 people were injured on Friday as violent protests in Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza went into a second day. Israeli security forces employed tear gas, rubber bullets and even live ammo to disperse the demonstrators.

    More than 3,000 Palestinians took part in protests in at least 30 locations in the region, the Israeli military said. The unrest began after Friday prayers, when Palestinians began throwing stones at IDF troops.
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    Like I said, it didn't take long for the IDF to start pounding Gaza in response to the rocket attack. Video and pictures at the link below.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...sile-intercept

    Israel Bombing Targets Inside Gaza After Hamas Missile Intercept
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    After a day of escalating violence in Israel and the Palestinian territories which left at least two Palestinians dead and dozens injured in clashes with police and Israeli soldiers, Israel is on high alert with public alarm warnings sounding across multiple communities in the south after at least three rockets were from fired from the Gaza Strip Friday evening. Meanwhile Israel has commenced retaliatory airstrikes on the Gaza Strip just after 9pm local time, and according to early unverified reports there are already possibly dozens Palestinians injured and at least one death.

    In the early evening the Israeli Army issued public statements via its IDF spokesperson account saying that Israel's Iron Dome system intercepted a rocket launched from Gaza, and there were no reports of casualties or damage. The IDF also listed multiple Israeli towns in southern Israel which had rocket alarms sound warnings of potential incoming strikes.

    And later in the evening the IDF confirmed that Israeli Air Force jets struck inside Gaza in response to the rockets: "In response to the projectiles fired at Israel from Gaza earlier today, IAF aircraft targeted a Hamas training compound & an ammunition warehouse in the Gaza Strip."
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    I just updated the Horsemen thread:

    http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...12-04-to-12-11

    Lots of new developments and Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and al-quaed all calling for a third intifada and attacks on US/Israeli embassy and interests world-wide.

    It has also just come out that Jordan's King Abdullah was in Turkey while Trump was making his speech...
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    The third Infitata is now underway, Ragnarok. It is going to be a violent Christmas for sure. I'm waiting for both Iran and Hezzbollah to flex their muscles. Iran now has multiple options, from Yemen, Syria, Lebanon to name just a few.

    I also have no doubt the sleeper cells have gotten their go orders and are just waiting to strike.
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    There's always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!
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    Big march protesting Trump’s Jerusalem announcement making its way towards Trump Tower

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    TSHTF big time since Trump announced his intention to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

    Drudge is covering the news.

    The links are here.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/09/middle...ntl/index.html

    Israel airstrikes, Gaza rockets amid tensions over Jerusalem

    By Laura Smith-Spark, Bijan Hosseini and Nic Robertson, CNN

    Updated 1:36 PM ET, Sat December 9, 2017
    Clashes erupt in Jerusalem

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    Jerusalem (CNN)Two Palestinians were killed Saturday in Israeli airstrikes in Gaza, the Palestinian Health Ministry said, as tensions soared in the region after US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
    The Israel Defense Forces said Israeli aircraft had targeted what it identified as four facilities belonging to Hamas -- the Palestinian Islamist group that controls Gaza -- early Saturday in response to rockets fired into southern Israel from Gaza.
    The aircraft targeted two weapons manufacturing sites, a weapons warehouse and a military compound, according to an IDF statement.

    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/WAT...thlehem-517517

    WATCH: Palestinian protesters face off against Israeli troops in Bethlehem

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    Two Palestinians dead, scores injured in clashes with Israeli forces
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    Iraqi cleric al-Sadr vows to be 'the first soldier' to defend Jerusalem

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    Israeli security forces confronted Palestinian protesters angered over the US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
    1 minute read.

    The Saturday protests follow similar clashes in the West Bank that took place on Friday between Israeli security forces and Palestinian demonstrators angered by the recent decision by US President Donald Trump to move the American capital to Jerusalem. Earlier on Saturday, a social media account supportive of Hamas claimed Israeli security forces had fired rubber bullets and used tear gas against protestors.
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    To date, Palestinians’ Jerusalem protests are a case of ‘intifada lite’
    Fatah and Hamas have been relentlessly urging people to the streets, but only a few thousand have responded. An unpleasant surprise, though, can change that in an instant

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    Although Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh has enthusiastically described the Palestinians’ violent protests against US President Donald Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital as a “blessed intifada,” what has actually been taking place on the ground in the territories is nothing like the outbreak of the first intifada 30 years ago. It also does not remotely resemble the first days of the second intifada, in the wake of then-opposition leader Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount in September 2000.

    At most, the two days of protests might be called “intifada lite,” and even that would be a bit of an exaggeration. Only a few thousand people have taken to the streets in the West Bank and Gaza.

    The IDF has reported 3,000 Palestinian protesters in the West Bank. Even if that number is a low estimate, you could double it and still it would not compare to the early days of the first and second intifadas.

    The past two days of protests, furthermore, are not a case of a spontaneous, unplanned, popular eruption of anger. They are, rather, the consequence of an intensive effort by the Palestinian Authority to mobilize the Palestinian public — an effort unprecedented since the days of Yasser Arafat. Fatah and Hamas have relentlessly urged the people into the streets, and yet only a few thousand answered the call.

    Thus far, therefore, the prime Israeli concern is not over protests in the streets. The main worry is over terrorism in and from the West Bank, and a deterioration into wide-scale confrontation with Hamas-run Gaza.

    Hamas, which is doing everything it can to stir up the West Bank, doesn’t want another Israel-Gaza war right now. It continues to try to prevent a major escalation from Gaza, but with less rigor in the past few days. Somebody in the Hamas leadership has evidently loosened some of the restrictions on terror groups and activists, with the consequent launch of several rockets into Israel. Such rockets attacks raise the prospect of a wider confrontation — which Israel doesn’t want either.

    Haniyeh and the Hamas Gaza chief Yihya Sinwar are well aware of that, and are also well aware of the cost to Hamas and Gaza of another major round of conflict. And yet the rulers of Gaza are plainly not acting with sufficient determination to prevent the border from heating up.

    The very fact that they have allowed thousands of Gazans to get close to the border to stage protests, knowing full well that this will lead to clashes with Israel and consequent bloodshed, underlines the extent to which they are playing with fire.

    In the West Bank, it would appear that the protests will gradually die down — if, that is, there are no surprises. And surprises are, of course, always possible.


    It has to be hoped that another incident such as the death at Netzarim junction in Gaza of Mohammed al-Dura, which prompted the Palestinian masses to inflame the second intifada in 2000, does not occur. (A French TV report claimed Israeli troops shot the 12-year-old and he became a symbol of Palestinian outrage and protest. An official Israeli government report concluded that al-Dura was not harmed by Israeli forces.)

    In the absence of any such new symbolic rallying point, the Palestinians of the West Bank are unlikely to abandon their daily routines and flood the streets.

    Furthermore, while urging demonstrations, the Palestinian Authority itself has not, to date at least, abandoned all restraint. PA President Mahmoud Abbas has declared that he won’t back down over Jerusalem, and won’t negotiate with the US because Trump, he says, has given up the role of honest broker.

    But the PA is, for now, being somewhat cautious in terms of direct confrontation with Israel on the ground. Unlike the leaders of other, rival groups, most notably Hamas, it has not sent the message to its activists to “open the gates of hell.”

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    Well, that is certainly Israel's position. What I see is massive riots and chaos in Islamic countries all over the world. I would not normally think Indonesia, Malaysia, or Chicago to be places that had thousands of demonstrators.

    Further, the "big boys," Iran, Syria, Hezzbollah, Al-Qaida, HAMAS are now involved. Multiple rockets have been fired into Southern Israel by HAMAS and its clones. I count 30 separate demonstrations/riots in Israel alone.

    Now that Bani Sadir, who controls all of Southern Iraq for his masters in Iran, has said he will support the Infitata, I think things are going to continue. The first two Infitata's lasted for years. I also expect the terror attacks to increase. We are also going to start seeing the famous "lone wolf attacks," like the guy in Amsterdam, increase everywhere.

    Be patient, the Muslims, like the Chinese, play a long, deep game. It has not ended. It has barely begun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    I just updated the Horsemen thread:

    http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...12-04-to-12-11

    Lots of new developments and Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and al-quaed all calling for a third intifada and attacks on US/Israeli embassy and interests world-wide.

    It has also just come out that Jordan's King Abdullah was in Turkey while Trump was making his speech...
    I wonder what the significance of that is.
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    The Latest: Arab leader asks nations to recognize Palestine

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    JERUSALEM December 9, 2017, 2:38 PM ET

    The Latest on the fallout from the U.S. decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital (all times local):

    9:30 p.m.

    The Arab League chief has called on world nations to recognize the State of Palestine with east Jerusalem as its capital in response to President Donald Trump's decision to recognize the holy city as Israel's capital.

    Ahmed Aboul-Gheit, speaking Saturday at the start of an emergency meeting of Arab League foreign ministers, said Trump's decision "condemned" the country that took it and the administration that passed it.

    The decision, he said, raises a question mark over Washington's role as a peace mediator, not just in the Middle East but in the entire world.

    "The decision amounts to the legalization of occupation," said Aboul-Gheit, alluding to the occupation and later annexation of east Jerusalem by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war.


    7:15 p.m.

    Arab foreign ministers are arriving in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, to attend an emergency meeting to formulate a unified response to President Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    The ministerial meeting brings together foreign ministers from Arab League member-states and is scheduled to open in Cairo later on Saturday.

    The meeting takes place amid a wave of anger at the U.S. leader's decision, which sparked three days of street protests in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. In Cairo, the heads of the largest Christian church and the Al-Azhar, the world's top seat of learning for Sunni Muslims, have announced they would not meet U.S. Vice President Mike Pence when he visits Cairo Dec. 20.

    Hundreds also protested Trump's decision at Al-Azhar mosque on Friday.

    7 p.m.

    Hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters have demonstrated in Paris against the imminent arrival of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The protest organizers say Netanyahu's visit Sunday to meet French President Emmanuel Macron is not welcome especially following this week's declaration by US President Donald Trump that Jerusalem is Israel's capital city. Macron called the decision "regrettable."

    Tensions grew at the Place de la Republique demonstration when pro-Israeli protestors approached the rally brandishing Israeli and US flags. The police separated both groups and no further incidents were reported.

    The rally was organized by a broad coalition of associations.


    6:20 p.m.

    Turkey's Foreign Ministry has condemned Israel's "excessive" and "disproportionate" use of force against Palestinians protesting the U.S. decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    In a statement published Saturday, the ministry said Turkey felt "huge sadness and worry" after four people were killed and hundreds injured in Israeli law enforcement's intervention on Palestinians protesting in the "occupied lands."

    The statement said the U.S. decision stood contrary to international law and United Nations resolutions on the status of Jerusalem.

    Turkey has strongly denounced President Donald Trump's announcement, calling it a "red line" and moved to convene the Organization of Islamic Cooperation in an extraordinary congress Wednesday.


    5:30 p.m.

    Hundreds of Palestinians and their supporters have rallied in Rome to protest U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the American Embassy there.

    The protest on Saturday, outside the U.S. Embassy in Rome, also drew American citizens.

    Some Italian demonstrators expressed dismay that Italy's top cycling race Giro d'Italia" will start next year in Jerusalem.

    Other protesters held Palestinian flags, and some shouted slogans against Israel. One participant held a sign reading, "Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the State of Palestine."


    5:30 p.m.

    Egypt's Coptic Orthodox church says it will not receive Vice President Mike Pence after the U.S. decision to recognize the contested city of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    The spokesman of the Coptic Orthodox Church said Saturday in a statement that it's excusing itself from receiving Pence during his visit scheduled for later this month.

    The Church says the U.S. move is "inappropriate and without consideration for the feelings of millions of people."

    U.S. President Donald Trump had also announced plans to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a decision that triggered protests across the Middle East.


    4:05 p.m.

    Turkey's president has called on Muslims to remain calm in their response to the U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday said protesters should act within the scope of law and democracy.

    Protests in Gaza and the West Bank have led to clashes. Demonstrations in Turkey continue Saturday.

    Erdogan says: "The fate of Jerusalem cannot be left to an occupying state that usurped Palestinians' lands since 1967 with no regard to law or morality."

    Erdogan called Jerusalem "the apple of our eyes" and the "red line" of the Muslim world.



    4:05 p.m.

    Sweden's Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom says those who called for Jews to be killed did something "totally unacceptable" during a small demonstration in southern Sweden to protest U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    Swedish media reported that anti-Jewish slogans were yelled when about 200 people, some waving Palestinian flags, rallied late Friday in Malmo.

    Wallstrom tweeted Saturday "threats, hate and anti-Semitism have no place in our society"and were "totally unacceptable."

    Justice Minister Morgan Johansson tweeted "it is horrendous ... to invoke violence against Jews," and promised that if anyone could be identified as those who shouted it, the person would be prosecuted.

    In Malmo, Sweden's third largest city, about 7 percent of 285,000 inhabitants were born in the Middle East, according to city statistics.


    1:45 p.m.

    Hundreds of women belonging to Pakistan's main Islamist party have rallied in the country's biggest city against U.S. President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    Wearing all-encompassing black veils, the protesters Saturday chanted anti-Trump and anti-U.S. slogans and held banners and placards.

    Senator Sirajul Haq, the head of Jamaat-e-Islami, addressed the protest, calling for a diplomatic boycott of the United States if it does not reverse its decision. He also called for a ban on American goods and the closure of U.S. diplomatic missions in Pakistan.

    Trump's move to recognize Jerusalem upended decades of U.S. foreign policy and went against the international consensus that Jerusalem's final status should be decided by Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. It sparked protests across the Arab and Muslim worlds.

    11:45 a.m.

    A senior official has confirmed that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will not meet with U.S. Vice President Mike Pence in the West Bank this month because of U.S. recognition of contested Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

    President Donald Trump's recent decision breaks with long-standing U.S. policy. Israel says it won't relinquish any part of the city, while the Palestinians want the Israeli-annexed eastern sector as their future capital.

    Under international consensus, the city's fate is to be determined in negotiations.

    Abbas' diplomatic adviser, Majdi Khaldi, said Saturday that Abbas won't meet Pence "because the U.S. has crossed red lines" on Jerusalem.

    Abbas had viewed close ties with Washington as strategically important because of the U.S. role as Mideast broker. The snub of Pence signaled a sharp deterioration in relations.


    10:15 a.m.

    Gaza officials say two Hamas members have been killed in Israeli airstrikes following a rocket attack on Israel.

    The Israeli military says it targeted four Hamas facilities early Saturday in response to rockets fired the previous day, including one that landed in the town of Sderot without causing casualties or major damage.

    The military says it struck military warehouses and weapons manufacturing sites. Hamas says it recovered the bodies of two of its men.

    Israel considers Hamas responsible for all rocket fire emanating from Gaza, which is home to other armed groups.

    The conflagration was the latest fallout from President Donald Trump's announcement recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Palestinians clashed with Israeli troops in dozens of West Bank hotspots Friday and along the Gaza border, where two were killed.




    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...pence-51686160

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    #BREAKING video: the scene outside a synagogue in central #Gothenburg #Sweden after Molotov cocktails were thrown at the synagogue

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    From northern watch's post, "Erdogan called Jerusalem "the apple of our eyes" and the "red line" of the Muslim world." The irony of him using the exact same phrase God uses through the prophet Zechariah! ".....for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye."

  37. #157
    When I saw videos of the throngs of muzzies out protesting, I thought, "Where's the M.O.A.B. when you need it?" Sorry, I believe they need to be wiped out.

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    Hummm.....

    The more the Salafist types and their useful "tools" protest and act out, the more they're proving Trump's position regarding them. That may have been a larger part of the rational for following through with the Congressional mandate on this than has been discussed by the MSM. The fact is that the "sleepers" in the West will be going active at some point no matter what the alleged provocation is claimed to be their inspiration, pushing up the temperature to make them act earlier than they may have planned, increases the potential for sloppy "trade craft". But what do I know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    When I saw videos of the throngs of muzzies out protesting, I thought, "Where's the M.O.A.B. when you need it?" Sorry, I believe they need to be wiped out.
    Sarin or VX is more forgiving to the real estate....

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    Somebody should REASSURE Jews and Christians, AND at the same time throw a little FEAR of God into the Arabs by publically releasing this text of God’s WRITTEN STATEMENT REGARDING threats to Jerusalem!

    God says His powerful intercession in the defense of Jerusalem will bring the Jews to humble themselves in acknowledgement, repentance and mourning for the Messiah Jesus, whom they killed.

    Zechariah 12King James Version (KJV)

    12 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

    2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

    3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.


    4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

    5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

    6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

    7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

    8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

    9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

    12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

    13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

    14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
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    Proverbs 18:13 Wycliffe Bible (WYC)

    13 He that answereth before that he heareth, showeth himself to be a fool; and worthy of shame.

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