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    What if the Federal Government passes a real gun ban. No "Assault Rifles." Turn them in. What then?

    In another thread, Sleeping Cobra asked an insightful question about what happens if a gun ban and civil war were to occur. He/she asked "Always wondered who against who? Doubt politicians will ever be rounded up and executed like McCain and so many others."

    Sleeping Cobra: I think you ask one of the best questions on this issue. What I think, and I'm open to others ideas, that peoples of conservative states would push their state government to declare a ban null and void. I could see gun confiscation teams in conservative areas in particular coming under return fire. I could see standoffs like at the Bundy ranch where the people open up on the government forces to force them to back down and/or release people. I could see liberals demanding the government "enforce the law," and bringing in the Guard/US Army, which would have people refusing to muster, like the Utah National Guard did in Katrina. I could see a dirty war starting and the country being unofficially split between those areas where the gun bans would work because the liberals are in control, and those areas where the people won't stand for the ban.

    I'm curious what others think, so if you read this, please chime in.

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    It would be just like in Washington state, where some gun law was passed a year or two ago and most of the sheriffs of the counties in that state declared that there would be no enforcement. In the mean time, a lawsuit would be filed, ultimately going to the Supreme Court. SCOTUS would have no choice but to declare the law unconstitutional.

    Done and done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    It would be just like in Washington state, where some gun law was passed a year or two ago and most of the sheriffs of the counties in that state declared that there would be no enforcement. In the mean time, a lawsuit would be filed, ultimately going to the Supreme Court. SCOTUS would have no choice but to declare the law unconstitutional.

    Done and done.

    Worse Case Scenario: The hag (Justice Ginsberg) hangs on and Kennedy doesn't render his resignation during this Presidential term. A liberal Democrat is elected and the swing vote Kennedy retires, being replaced with an anti-gunner. They now have a 5-4 majority.

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    It would still have to be enforced. And the vast majority of LE will not enforce it, ever.

    But on a different note, a gun confiscation will never happen on a national scale in this country, without the scrapping of the constitution. And I promise that civil war would erupt 15 minutes after such a law was passed. It makes great Doomer porn as I said on the other thread, but it will never happen. Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
    Worse Case Scenario: The hag (Justice Ginsberg) hangs on and Kennedy doesn't render his resignation during this Presidential term. A liberal Democrat is elected and the swing vote Kennedy retires, being replaced with an anti-gunner. They now have a 5-4 majority.
    That still does not account for all the boat accidents that will happen. I don't see people being compliant with such an order. Liberal or Conservative they will keep what they have and use it when they have to. The reasons may be worlds apart but the end result will be the same.
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    At the risk of documenting something on a public forum, I'll tell you what some may do. As soon as the hypothetical court proceedings fail, some freedom loving Patriots would exterminate any of their family or friends that they thought would be employed AND WILLING to enforce this. DONE and DONE

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    This thread title needs "What If" on the front of it.

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    Assault rifles? eh, but if they come after my fishing rods....then there would be WAR!
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    If I were forced to turn in my assault weapon (Whatever that is), I would practice safe firearms handling and make sure it was fully unloaded first. I am sure my pile of loaded 30 round mags would be contraband also so I would have to make sure they were unloaded. When unloading your guns and mags you have to pick a proper/safe spot to do it, preferably close to those who are going to take possession of them after they are safely unloaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    That still does not account for all the boat accidents that will happen. I don't see people being compliant with such an order. Liberal or Conservative they will keep what they have and use it when they have to. The reasons may be worlds apart but the end result will be the same.
    Maybe Conservatives and Liberals (American Citizens) will FINALLY stand together as one and unite.
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    I could see it happening in the USA. Not tomorrow but possibly a few years down the road.
    Look at California. They have had a gun confiscation team for a few years. They have confiscated many house fulls of guns and I have yet to hear about them getting in a fire fight.
    The gun grabbers always go in steps. Expect additional steps in the future. I would think there will be a few more steps before the gun confiscation teams are brought unto the scene. And when those teams are formed it will only be to take the guns of certain people. Then that list will expand after a time. Always in steps.

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    It is best to act and not speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiger13 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    I could see it happening in the USA. Not tomorrow but possibly a few years down the road.
    Look at California. They have had a gun confiscation team for a few years. They have confiscated many house fulls of guns and I have yet to hear about them getting in a fire fight.
    The gun grabbers always go in steps. Expect additional steps in the future. I would think there will be a few more steps before the gun confiscation teams are brought unto the scene. And when those teams are formed it will only be to take the guns of certain people. Then that list will expand after a time. Always in steps.
    But the fact that you're noticing this means others are as well. If and when those teams do appear on the scene, they'll be hailed as the vanguard of a repressive dictatorship just as they should be by others that are noticing the same things you are.
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    Some time back, someone (maybe Dozdoats?) posted a short story about a time AFTER such a confiscation occurred. Guess it's time to try to find it again. It was very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    Some time back, someone (maybe Dozdoats?) posted a short story about a time AFTER such a confiscation occurred. Guess it's time to try to find it again. It was very good.
    I’m sure it’s great Doomer porn, but again, it’s just a story. Any attempt at national gun confiscation will trigger a civil war.

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    Probably "The Window Wars".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentinel View Post
    In another thread, Sleeping Cobra asked an insightful question about what happens if a gun ban and civil war were to occur. He/she asked "Always wondered who against who? Doubt politicians will ever be rounded up and executed like McCain and so many others."

    Sleeping Cobra: I think you ask one of the best questions on this issue. What I think, and I'm open to others ideas, that peoples of conservative states would push their state government to declare a ban null and void. I could see gun confiscation teams in conservative areas in particular coming under return fire. I could see standoffs like at the Bundy ranch where the people open up on the government forces to force them to back down and/or release people. I could see liberals demanding the government "enforce the law," and bringing in the Guard/US Army, which would have people refusing to muster, like the Utah National Guard did in Katrina. I could see a dirty war starting and the country being unofficially split between those areas where the gun bans would work because the liberals are in control, and those areas where the people won't stand for the ban.

    I'm curious what others think, so if you read this, please chime in.
    Been tried, ask the Brits how that business at Lexington and Concord worked out for their local governors
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    It was about what Grandpa "tucked away for safekeeping" in a cave, IIRC, when the tyranny started.

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    The two Coffin Rock short stories. I posted them originally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doomer Doug View Post
    Molon Labe: King Leonidas of Sparta's 300 at Thermopalaye to Xerxes when asked to surrender and lay down his arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fi103r View Post
    Been tried, ask the Brits how that business at Lexington and Concord worked out for their local governors
    And, both of those incidents, the first shots fired, were specifically against the British going out to confiscate cannon, gun powder and ball.

    Our war for Independence began with thwarting attempted gun control and disarmament & subjugation of the general population.

    Texas, same story, first shots fired were in Gonzales, locals refusing to surrender cannon to Mexican army demands, gun control again.

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    What if the Federal Government passes a real gun ban. No "Assault Rifles." Turn them in. What then?
    Along those lines, NY passed the SAFE Act in 2013, and one part of that Act was mandatory registration of semi-auto and "assault" type rifles.

    They had massive NON compliance.

    The NY SAFE Act defines assault weapons as any rifle, pistol or shotgun that uses a detachable magazine and has one of a laundry list of “military features,” including flash suppressors, folding stocks, bayonet lugs and heat shields. The law banned new sales of assault weapons in the state and required current owners to register the firearms with state police.

    That data shows massive noncompliance with the assault weapon registration requirement. Based on an estimate from the National Shooting Sports Federation, about 1 million firearms in New York State meet the law’s assault-weapon criteria, but just 44,000 have been registered. That’s a compliance rate of about 4 percent. Capanna said that the high rate of noncompliance with the law could only be interpreted as a large-scale civil disobedience, given the high level of interest and concern about the law on the part of gun owners.

    “It’s not that they aren’t aware of the law,” said Capanna. “The lack of registration is a massive act of civil disobedience by gun owners statewide.”

    https://hudsonvalleyone.com/2016/07/...with-safe-act/

    So, if the rest of the country follows that pattern, you can guarantee a Civil War, if they push to try and take away the guns.

    Any attempt at national gun confiscation will trigger a civil war.
    Plus, they will have a tough time finding "enforcers" to follow the new laws. From that same link:

    Opposition to the SAFE Act has been widespread across upstate New York, where 52 of the state’s 62 counties, including Ulster, have passed resolutions opposing the law. Upstate police agencies have also demonstrated a marked lack of enthusiasm for enforcing the ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. According to statistics compiled by the state Department of Criminal Justice Services, there have been just 11 arrests for failure to register an otherwise-legal assault weapon since the SAFE Act took effect in March 2013 and 62 for possession of a large capacity magazine.

    Many rural LEOs will just give the finger to the FED govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racing22 View Post
    Along those lines, NY passed the SAFE Act in 2013, and one part of that Act was mandatory registration of semi-auto and "assault" type rifles.

    They had massive NON compliance.

    The NY SAFE Act defines assault weapons as any rifle, pistol or shotgun that uses a detachable magazine and has one of a laundry list of “military features,” including flash suppressors, folding stocks, bayonet lugs and heat shields. The law banned new sales of assault weapons in the state and required current owners to register the firearms with state police.

    That data shows massive noncompliance with the assault weapon registration requirement. Based on an estimate from the National Shooting Sports Federation, about 1 million firearms in New York State meet the law’s assault-weapon criteria, but just 44,000 have been registered. That’s a compliance rate of about 4 percent. Capanna said that the high rate of noncompliance with the law could only be interpreted as a large-scale civil disobedience, given the high level of interest and concern about the law on the part of gun owners.

    “It’s not that they aren’t aware of the law,” said Capanna. “The lack of registration is a massive act of civil disobedience by gun owners statewide.”

    https://hudsonvalleyone.com/2016/07/...with-safe-act/

    So, if the rest of the country follows that pattern, you can guarantee a Civil War, if they push to try and take away the guns.



    Plus, they will have a tough time finding "enforcers" to follow the new laws. From that same link:

    Opposition to the SAFE Act has been widespread across upstate New York, where 52 of the state’s 62 counties, including Ulster, have passed resolutions opposing the law. Upstate police agencies have also demonstrated a marked lack of enthusiasm for enforcing the ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. According to statistics compiled by the state Department of Criminal Justice Services, there have been just 11 arrests for failure to register an otherwise-legal assault weapon since the SAFE Act took effect in March 2013 and 62 for possession of a large capacity magazine.

    Many rural LEOs will just give the finger to the FED govt.
    It is all well and good that LEO's will/might ignore such a law or orders. But the problem is this law will still be on the books. They will just wait till the LEO's will do as they are told. The libs are always looking down the road. They do this kind of thing one step at a time and they are patiently waiting to get to where they want to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    It would be just like in Washington state, where some gun law was passed a year or two ago and most of the sheriffs of the counties in that state declared that there would be no enforcement. In the mean time, a lawsuit would be filed, ultimately going to the Supreme Court. SCOTUS would have no choice but to declare the law unconstitutional.

    Done and done.
    yrs ago in Manitoba a policeman told me they don't generally enforce some of the paperwork type gun stuff

    unless an act has been committed with a gun and then they pile everything on

    hoping something will stick

    mite have changed by now

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    They will never come and “take them.” First there will be a ban on future sales. No one who wants one will go to war because they already have theirs. Next will be something like a thirty year or voluntary amnesty for owners. Those who get into trouble will have their gun taken (ie: Domestic issues, out drunk at the bar with your AR in the car, etc.). No one will fight for “these people.” Every confiscated rifle will be reimbursed something ridiculous like $1,000 starting. People could appeal for more and accessories might be removed and given back.

    This would cause a ban over decades. Some relatives wouldn’t care about having an assult rifle upon death of the owner and they would just gladly take the money. Slowly the numbers would diminish over generations. They could even entice buybacks by offering $2,000/rifle once or twice a year.

    They will never go full ban and large scale confiscation.

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    What if the Federal Government passes a real gun ban. No "Assault Rifles." Turn them in. What then?
    Buy more ammunition? Sounds like a trick question.
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    Who pray tell is going to go into Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore and the hundreds of mosques around the country to confiscate those guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravekid View Post
    They will never come and “take them.” First there will be a ban on future sales. No one who wants one will go to war because they already have theirs. Next will be something like a thirty year or voluntary amnesty for owners. Those who get into trouble will have their gun taken (ie: Domestic issues, out drunk at the bar with your AR in the car, etc.). No one will fight for “these people.” Every confiscated rifle will be reimbursed something ridiculous like $1,000 starting. People could appeal for more and accessories might be removed and given back.

    This would cause a ban over decades. Some relatives wouldn’t care about having an assult rifle upon death of the owner and they would just gladly take the money. Slowly the numbers would diminish over generations. They could even entice buybacks by offering $2,000/rifle once or twice a year.

    They will never go full ban and large scale confiscation.
    Prohibition worked so well didn't it?

    Those who would get rich will start importing or underground manufacture of weapons and ammo. Since it will be illegal it won't be less than something like full auto weapon or what ever.

    Every time a cop takes a weapon it will create more problems with policing with the consent of the policed, and the corruption of those selling illegals to have the tryannical kings men turn a blind eye will both corrupt them or they will be killed.

    They all have families and those who will be selling guns will also have enforcers to visit problem cops and politicians and their families.

    It would devolve into a civil war under such times with cartel bosses ruling and so long as they don't mess with the free men they will be left to ply their trade.
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    When you look at the crime statistics, even with what happened in Las Vegas, the numbers just don't support this degree of potential social or political upheaval.

    So it comes down to the "elites" being concerned about maintaining their status. But the tighter they squeeze, the more tenuous their position becomes as history has shown, particularly when they aren't really contributing to society at large in any meaningful manner themselves and only looking at their own status and the more and more obvious examples of a "two laws" system they're attempting to put further into place for themselves.

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    Wish I could "like" that post HC. I think "they" are beginning to realize they're on the back foot now.

    I get frustrated, when I see people abdicating their own freedom of choice/will/action believing in an "all powerful", "all omniscient" Deep State. Which is why I thought that story I mentioned would be pertinant about now. It illustrates that "withdrawal of consent" and "fighting back" can be effectively accomplished in more than one way.

    [I did a search, Dennis - couldn't find it even going back to 2014; probably had the wrong keyword.]

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    Expect to see some flare ups and some resistance but nothing extreme. Days of Pipes and Drums is just not going to happen. Much of the bluster will be in the courts and will accomplish nothing. That’s who we are!

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