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ALERT Wildfire in Ventura California....Evacuations. Does Any one Have Any News?
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    I wouldn't be surprised that even if the locals did want to do some fire suppression before these fires, that the compliance to get permission to do so required a environmental impact study, that would of taking a year or so and $100,000 to get a permit to do so. And relocate the yellow legged tree frog family costing another $100,000..

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by West View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised that even if the locals did want to do some fire suppression before these fires, that the compliance to get permission to do so required a environmental impact study, that would of taking a year or so and $100,000 to get a permit to do so. And relocate the yellow legged tree frog family costing another $100,000..
    Where I live, the California Department of Fire (CDF) is actively clearing brush in the parks here. They also have jail birds helping out as well. They are burning the piles of slash. Homeowners are also clearing their properties and CDF will come by and chip up the slash or the homeowner can burn it. We choose to burn it, DH spent 2 days burning slash. Our property is fire safe now. People have learned their lesson on having fire clearance around their home. BTW, CDF comes around checking on properties and they will give you a warning to remove grass and brush away from your home. No permits are required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Well, the Santa Ana winds show up pretty much every year (at least regularly... not a West coast resident here) and drought has been a fact of life in California since time began. 30 years is the blink if an eye in historical terms.

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    As one who suffers from migraines, I remember the Santa Ana winds well. As far as crazy stuff, the Santa Anas will beat a full moon anyday -- crazy crimes, murders, etc. They can, quite literally, make you crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Nettleton View Post
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    Yes, I remember the night we prayed a huge fire away from his home. It had actually burned several structures on the opposite end of development (manufactured homes IIRC) and then turned before it got to his block. That was a while back. I was not a member, but had been lurking for a long time. Hope he is still around and maybe can supply us some updates.
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    I'm a little late to the thread, but my brother-in-law and his family were evacuated from their home in Sylmar yesterday as the fire was behind their house. They found out later that because all of the brush had been cleared from behind the homes on their street, the fire jumped over their home and the homes on either side to the next street. A bunch of those homes burned down. They think that if the brush had remained, their home and the homes in line with them would have burned also.

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    Way-way-way too many photos and too long too post - Daily Mail does what it does bad; photos of the disaster, click on link view and weep I did.

    I'm not kidding, I was born near the area as was my father before me...if someone did this intentionally? Well, I can't put into print what I would like to see happen to them if the did it in sound mind and evil intention; I don't say things like that lightly and I don't mean stupid people, people who start a fire by accident or even the truly mentally ill.

    But as I told my husband, "what happened to the reports of a group being arrested and what are their NAMES?"...

    Daily Mail photo Essay (also on Drudge)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ls-flames.html

    Highway to Hell! Terrifying video shows drivers on their way to work in LA passing hills covered with flames in the midst of raging wildfires
    A dramatic 50-acre brush fire erupted Wednesday morning in the Sepulveda Pass area of Los Angeles
    Commuters caught the fire on their cellphones as they carefully made their way to work on the I-405
    Eventually the fire prompted mandatory evacuation orders and the complete closure of the freeway
    There were no reports of injuries, but flames were approaching several hillside homes amid 25 mph winds
    The fire burned up the area near LA's exclusive Bel Air neighborhood and the Getty Center for the arts
    HBO halted production on Westworld, which films in the area, citing safety fears; CBS did the same for SWAT
    By JAMES WILKINSON and JAMES GORDON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM


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    My brother is in Valencia. He is four miles from the Rye fire and eight miles from the Creek fire. Don't know exactly where my niece and nephew and their families live, but relatively close. I am pretty sure my bro and sister-in-law will gather them all at their house if the situation changes for the worse. I trust my brother's judgement. They will get out if they need to.
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    SOCAL going to have a bad night followed by a worse day. Expecting 70-80Mph winds starting tonight.

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    got an alert for voluntary evacuation in carpenteria... that's 30 min away from us... if they don't contain the fire by tonight then it's going to mandatory evacuation ������
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    Fire forecast: @LAFD uses Burning Index to rate level of fire danger/threat.
    0 to 37 = Low
    38 to 47 = Moderate
    48 to 110 = High
    111 to 161 = Very High
    162 and above = Extreme

    Wed to Thurs is forecast at 296! Highest the chief has ever seen
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    I was listening to the radio around 2PM MT and I heard Rupert Murdock's home burned to the ground. It was in Bel Air. That is some high dollar property. The radio was breaking up so I didn't get much detail. It sounds like this fire is working its way through the Hollywood crowd. Brentwood is just south of Bel Air IIR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    I was listening to the radio around 2PM MT and I heard Rupert Murdock's home burned to the ground. It was in Bel Air. That is some high dollar property. The radio was breaking up so I didn't get much detail. It sounds like this fire is working its way through the Hollywood crowd. Brentwood is just south of Bel Air IIR.
    Woke up early and the TV news says hundreds of homes have burnt down in Bel Air, and 50,000 people evacuated. They are now saying there is no way to stop it. Horrifying.

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    #BREAKING: High winds 'a recipe for explosive fire growth' in Southern California - Hundreds of firefighters are working around the clock to battle fast-moving wildfires in Southern California as fears grow that winds might make matters worse on Thurs...


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    Aw.............


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    Witnesses say this man pulled over to save a wild rabbit from flames along Highway 1 in Southern California as the massive #ThomasFire spreads toward Santa Barbara County. http://abcn.ws/2BJfmA2

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    Up tonight as usual and no news at all about the fires down in LA. Will have to wait for local news.

    That is horrifying mz kitty. Thanks for the update. Wasnt there another terrible fire in Bel Air back in the 50's or 60's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terrwyn View Post
    Up tonight as usual and no news at all about the fires down in LA. Will have to wait for local news.

    That is horrifying mz kitty. Thanks for the update. Wasnt there another terrible fire in Bel Air back in the 50's or 60's?
    Yes.

    Bel Air Fire. The Bel Air Fire was a disaster that began as a brush fire on November 5, 1961 in the Bel Air community of Los Angeles. ... The fire was fueled by strong Santa Ana winds. There were multiple celebrities affected by the fire.

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    #Hurricane-force #SantaAna #wind #gusts cripple battle against #SouthernCalifornia #wildfires.

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    Hurricane-force gusts could cripple battle vs. Southern California wildfires


    Last Updated Dec 7, 2017 5:27 AM EST

    VENTURA, Calif. -- Southern California has felt yellow wind, orange wind, and red wind. But never purple wind. Until now. The color-coded system showing the expected strength of the winds driving the region's fierce wildfires has reached uncharted territory, pushing past red, which means "high," into the color that means "extreme."

    "The forecast for tomorrow (Thursday) is purple," said Ken Pimlott, director at the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. "We've never used purple before."

    Southern California has already been hit hard by three major fires that have put tens of thousands of people under evacuation orders and destroyed at nearly 200 homes and buildings, a figure almost certain to grow.

    But hard-won progress of firefighters could be erased Thursday, reports CBS Los Angeles.

    "We're talking winds that can surface that can be 80 miles an hour," Pimlott said. "These will be winds that there will (be) no ability to fight fires."

    Such winds can instantly turn a tiny fire into a large one, or carry embers that spark new fires miles away.

    Millions of cellphones buzzed loudly Wednesday night from San Diego to Santa Barbara with a sound that usually means an Amber Alert, but this time meant a rare weather warning for strong winds making extreme fire danger.

    Officials hope the electronic push will keep the whole region alert and keep the death toll from the week's fires at zero.

    The alert, with a long, loud tone startled users on social media, who were quick to comment on the message. Some responses were serious, reports CBS Los Angeles. Some were less so.

    The station is updating viewers with the latest on all the major wildfires.

    In what may have been an early sign of the 140-square-mile fire getting new life, several thousand new evacuations were ordered late Wednesday night in Ojai, a town of artists and resorts. The blaze had been creeping there already, but an increase in winds pushed it close enough for many more to flee.

    The wilder winds could easily send make new fires explode too, as one did Wednesday in Los Angeles' exclusive Bel-Air section, where a fire consumed multimillion-dollar houses that give the rich and famous sweeping views of Los Angeles.

    Little flame was visible late Tuesday, but in the morning fire exploded on the steep slopes of Sepulveda Pass, closing a section of heavily traveled Interstate 405 and destroying four homes.

    Flames burned a wine storage shed at media mogul Rupert Murdoch's 16-acre Moraga Vineyards estate and appeared to have damaged about 7 acres of vines, a spokeswoman said.

    Across the wide I-405 freeway from the fire, the Getty Center art complex was closed to protect its collection from smoke damage. Many schools across Los Angeles were closed because of poor air quality and classes were canceled at 265 schools Thursday. UCLA cancelled Thursday classes.

    Back in the beachside city of Ventura, the fire killed more than two dozen horses at a stable and had destroyed at least 150 structures, a number that was expected to get far bigger as firefighters are able to assess losses.

    CHP is in the process of closing US 101 between State Beaches and Bates Road. The #ThomasFire is actively burning on both sides of the highway and the median. Please avoid the area.
    — Ventura Co. Sheriff (@VENTURASHERIFF) December 7, 2017

    Air tankers that had been grounded much of the week because of high winds flew on Wednesday, dropping flame retardant. Firefighters rushed to attack the fires before winds picked up again.

    "We're basically in an urban firefight in Ventura, where if you can keep that house from burning, you might be able to slow the fire down," said Tim Chavez, a fire behavior specialist at the blaze. "But that's about it."

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    And put water out for wild animals...
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    And put water out for wild animals...
    And, if anyone has information on temporary animal shelters (including horses) please PM me with the details and I'll put it up on my facebook rescue site - unlike the hurricanes, there is not much news getting out about these fires; especially in terms of where to take animals/people etc.

    I did post the video of the CBS reporters dropping their cameras to help grab horses as flames were starting to take over a ranch, but since the fairgrounds (the usual place to evacuate critters) is itself evacuated (at least in San Bernadino) I don't know where to direct people.

    And yes, I'm in Ireland but I learned during the Heuston Hurricane that these days if you put information on the web, it will get to the folks that need it even half-way around the world.

    No one I know (except on this list) is personally affected by these fires (last of my family there pass away years ago) but I suspect that is likely to change as friends check in on facebook.

    The scale of these fire is massive and getting worse...
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    Been following this the last few days as I have in-laws who moved to Pasadena.

    I don't know how much of this Fox/AP article is hyperbole and creative headline writing.

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    Southern California wildfires force mass evacuations around Los Angeles

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    The relentless wind-whipped wildfires ravaging Southern California are expected to worsen Thursday, as dangerous winds are forecast to fan the flames in different directions and force new evacuations around the second-largest city in the U.S.

    Winds on Thursday topped 50 mph already in the greater Los Angeles area, keeping residents across the region wary as more than 200,000 people have been forced from their homes and nearly 200 homes and buildings have been destroyed since the fires broke out late Sunday.

    “We are in the beginning of a protracted wind event,” Ken Pimlott, director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire), told the Los Angeles Times. “There will be no ability to fight fire in these kinds of winds.”

    The Skirball Fire, which erupted Wednesday morning, has burned about 500 acres so far near large estates in the ritzy Bel-Air neighborhood of Los Angeles and is only 5 percent contained.

    Firefighters battled to save multimillion-dollar homes in the path of the flames while trying to evacuate residents.

    "We are in the beginning of a protracted wind event. There will be no ability to fight fire in these kinds of winds."
    - Ken Pimlott, director of Cal Fire


    “These are days that break your heart,” Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said during a news conference. “These are also days that show the resilience of our city.”

    No fatalities or civilian injuries have been reported since the firestorm began Sunday, according to Reuters. Three firefighters were injured and hospitalized in stable condition as a result of the Skirball Fire, the Los Angeles Fire Department said.

    The Getty Center and the nearby Skirball Center, both on the west side of the 405 freeway opposite the blaze did not appear to be threatened. Both facilities were closed for the day and were to remain closed on Thursday, FOX 11 reported. Santa Monica College and all schools in the Santa Monica-Malibu school district were also closed Thursday, FOX 11 said.

    Fifty-two Los Angeles Unified School District schools and another 40 charter schools were also closed citywide in response to the Skirball Fire and other blazes in the area, district officials said.

    Officials warned the color-coded system showing the expected strength of the Santa-Ana winds on Thursday driving the region's fierce wildfires has reached uncharted territory, pushing past red , which means "high" into the color purple that means "extreme."

    "We're talking winds that can surface that can be 80 miles an hour," Pimlott said. "These will be winds that there will no ability to fight fires."

    Those fierce winds can instantly turn a tiny fire into a large one, or carry embers that spark new fires miles away.

    Millions of cellphones buzzed loudly Tuesday night from San Diego to Santa Barbara with a sound that usually means an Amber Alert, but this time meant a rare weather warning for strong winds making extreme fire danger.

    Officials hope the electronic push will keep the whole region alert and keep the death toll from the week's fires at zero.

    Motorists on Highway 101 watch flames from the Thomas fire leap above the roadway north of Ventura, Calif., on Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017. (AP Photo/Noah Berger)

    Melissa Rosenzweig, 47, was briefly back home Tuesday after evacuating from her Ventura house, which has been spared so far while most on her street had burned in the largest and most destructive of the region's fires, the Thomas Fire. She and her husband were about to evacuate again, hoping they will get lucky twice as the new winds arrive.

    "Heck yeah I'm still worried," Rosenzweig told the Associated Press. "We're very grateful but I know we're not out of the woods."

    In what may have been an early sign of the 140-square-mile fire getting new life, several thousand new evacuations were ordered late Tuesday night in Ojai, a town of artists and resorts.

    The 90,000-acre fire had been creeping there already, sweeping through mountain ridges and canyons to the sea, but an increase in winds pushed it close enough for many more to flee.

    The Thomas Fire has killed more than two dozen horses at a stable and had destroyed at least 150 structures, a number that was expected to get far bigger as firefighters are able to assess losses.

    Motorists on Highway 101 watch flames from the Thomas fire leap above the roadway north of Ventura, Calif., on Wednesday, Dec. 6, 2017. As many as five

    Air tankers that had been grounded much of the week because of high winds flew on Wednesday, dropping flame retardant. Firefighters rushed to attack the fires before winds picked up again.

    "We're basically in an urban firefight in Ventura, where if you can keep that house from burning, you might be able to slow the fire down," said Tim Chavez, a fire behavior specialist at the blaze. "But that's about it."

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/07...s-angeles.html
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    Day 1 Fire Weather Outlook
    NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
    0142 AM CST Thu Dec 07 2017

    Valid 071200Z - 081200Z

    ...EXTREMELY CRITICAL FIRE WEATHER AREA FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN
    CALIFORNIA...

    ...CRITICAL FIRE WEATHER AREA FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA...
    ...CRITICAL FIRE WEATHER AREA FOR PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN ARIZONA...

    ...Synopsis...
    Dangerous and extremely critical fire weather conditions are
    expected across a broad portion of southern CA today.

    Within large-scale upper troughing over much of the central/eastern
    CONUS, an embedded positively tilted upper trough will continue
    moving south-southeastward over the Rockies/Plains early this
    morning. Enhanced north/northeasterly low- and mid-level flow around
    30-40 kt on the western periphery of this upper trough has
    overspread the Southwest and southern CA, and these enhanced winds
    aloft will continue through at least the afternoon hours. Highly
    amplified upper ridging will remain over the eastern Pacific and
    parts of the West Coast.

    At the surface, a broad area of high pressure over the northern
    Rockies and Great Basin is in the process of restrengthening early
    this morning. A corresponding increase in offshore winds will occur
    across much of southern CA through this evening, supporting high-end
    critical to extremely critical fire weather conditions.

    ...Portions of Southern CA...
    The LAX-TPH pressure difference has strengthened to around -14 mb
    over the past several hours. Latest surface observations across
    southern CA show multiple locations in the mountains/foothills of
    Ventura and Los Angeles counties with sustained northerly to
    northeasterly winds of 30-35 mph, and gusts to 50-60 mph. RH values
    remain critically lowered in the 7-15% range for many areas.

    Given the strengthening surface pressure gradient plus the enhanced
    low- and mid-level flow mentioned above, sustained northeasterly to
    easterly winds of 30-40 mph will occur across much of the higher
    terrain of southern CA this morning through at least the evening
    hours. This includes the mountains/foothills and adjacent areas of
    far southeastern Santa Barbara, Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange,
    southwestern San Bernardino, western Riverside, and central/eastern
    San Diego counties. Stronger gusts of 50-80 mph will likely occur in
    favored higher terrain and passes where flow channeling will be
    maximized
    . RH values will easily fall/remain in the 5-10% range this
    afternoon/evening due to diurnal heating and low-level downslope
    warming/drying effects. Coupled with very dry/receptive fuels, these
    expected meteorological conditions support the continuation of an
    extremely critical fire weather area with mainly small changes.
    Large fire spread and extreme fire behavior will occur with any
    new/ongoing fires.

    Surrounding the extremely critical designation, critical fire
    weather conditions are anticipated across a broader portion of
    southern CA. Here, sustained winds of 20-30 mph, with gusts to 40-50
    mph, and RH values of 5-15% will be common. Both downtown Los
    Angeles and the LA basin along with San Diego have been included in
    a critical delineation. These dangerous fire weather conditions are
    forecast to continue through the entire Day 1/Thursday period,
    although the surface pressure gradient will likely relax slightly
    late tonight into Friday morning. This should act to lessen winds
    somewhat across southern CA late in the period.

    ...Portions of Southern AZ...
    A critical area has been included for portions of southern AZ where
    sustained winds of 20-30 mph will overlap with RH values lowered
    into the 5-15% range for a few hours this afternoon. Latest fuel
    guidance indicates fine fuels are now receptive to new fire starts.
    These critical fire weather conditions are expected to quickly
    diminish late this evening with the loss of diurnal heating and
    corresponding RH recovery.

    ..Gleason.. 12/07/2017

    ...Please see www.spc.noaa.gov/fire for graphic product...

    CLICK FOR DAY 1 FIREWX AREAL OUTLINE PRODUCT (KWNSPFWFD1)

    http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/fire_wx/fwdy1.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
    Live streaming California fire coverage,

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DiIjeXSuBQ
    Thank you for the live link, from other reports here in Europe I don't think that Fox is exaggerating this time; I didn't post a similar BBC article because BBC has started making it very difficult to post articles; the formatting doesn't copy anymore and I don't have 20 minutes to clean it up right now - but information was about the same (different personal stories).
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    So far haven't heard of what started these fires.....the news has been strangely silent about this. Hmmmmmm
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    It is like Magic Shadowman. On Monday MSN issued a warning of extreme fire danger for Ventura County and boom that night fires start. Same thing happened with Santa Rose fire. Warning issued that condition were just right and boom. Middle of the night people awoke to knocks on their doors to get out quick. The beginning of a fire is not hard to find. Why it started there might be a little more difficult due to circumstances but is usually confirmed in short order. Now I am not the type that would say MSN is giving a go signal to certain individuals but something smells when you do not hear the cause.
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    So far haven't heard of what started these fires.....the news has been strangely silent about this. Hmmmmmm
    On an earlier page I copied someone from FR saying border partrol or something similar had caught a group of people who started these fires. No follow up that I've found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMan View Post
    So far haven't heard of what started these fires.....the news has been strangely silent about this. Hmmmmmm

    Could it be it's because they don't know yet? Otherwise I'll throw in the suspect that most here expect. It was a stoner muzzie jihadi hippy mezzican dude from outer space... there did I cover it well enough?

    Most probably it was some idiot who decided to grill on a red flag day.
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    I am getting concerned too; because as I told my husband, while I am not on the "Jiahdi's are the source of every problem" list; I DO KNOW that they suggest this very thing in their online magazine a few months ago - I don't have the link but I remember reading about it at the time and thinking; "uh,oh."

    That said, these could all be accidents; goodness knows how easy it is for the Santa Ana winds on the current scale to take almost anything and make a fire out of it, including a car starting up or piece of glass catching the sunlight in just the wrong way by the side of the road.

    There is also human stupidity (the ciggie out the car window, the lit candle, the homeless campfire) - the last one I thought of because it is getting down into the 40's at night and you can't really blame people for not wanting to freeze to death but from a fire prevention point of view it is still human stupidity.

    And finally, the mentally ill and/or other looney fringe groups (radical "eco-nuts" that want to "bring back the natural cycles" or some idiotic thing) and/or Antifa types (not the organization in particular) that see a great chance to burn down Bel Air mansions etc.

    Not to mention copycats...and people getting "ideas" after a perfectly natural fire cycle has already started (lightning is currently beyond human control).
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    Here is a link to live coverage by a local TV station in Los Angeles KTLA.

    http://ktla.com/on-air/live-streaming/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    I am getting concerned too; because as I told my husband, while I am not on the "Jiahdi's are the source of every problem" list; I DO KNOW that they suggest this very thing in their online magazine a few months ago - I don't have the link but I remember reading about it at the time and thinking; "uh,oh."

    That said, these could all be accidents; goodness knows how easy it is for the Santa Ana winds on the current scale to take almost anything and make a fire out of it, including a car starting up or piece of glass catching the sunlight in just the wrong way by the side of the road.

    There is also human stupidity (the ciggie out the car window, the lit candle, the homeless campfire) - the last one I thought of because it is getting down into the 40's at night and you can't really blame people for not wanting to freeze to death but from a fire prevention point of view it is still human stupidity.

    And finally, the mentally ill and/or other looney fringe groups (radical "eco-nuts" that want to "bring back the natural cycles" or some idiotic thing) and/or Antifa types (not the organization in particular) that see a great chance to burn down Bel Air mansions etc.

    Not to mention copycats...and people getting "ideas" after a perfectly natural fire cycle has already started (lightning is currently beyond human control).
    People in and around LA are getting fed up. There's a feeling that the authorities know who, what, when but don't want to tell. Not because they need time to build the case but because they fear the blowback against certain protected classes. This via my hubby's family who still live in LA area.

    No are affected yet but say that the air is as bad as any smog day from back in the '70's.
    "Why not stay awake now? Who wants to sleep now with so much happening, so much to see? Life used to be dull you see...and you don't have to sleep alone, you don't even have to sleep at all; and so, all you have to do is show the stick to the dog now and then and say, 'Thank God for nothing.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
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    That's interesting that they only have that part of Cali as being a fire risk, we're at elevated risk here due to lack of moisture be it rain or snow, intense winds, etc.,
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    New Fires now in San Diego .. just saw it on facebook

    "Lilac Fire (off I-15).. up to 150 acres, 2 buildings destroyed"
    It is sunny here in Arizona :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmoley View Post
    New Fires now in San Diego .. just saw it on facebook

    "Lilac Fire (off I-15).. up to 150 acres, 2 buildings destroyed"
    Yes my friends are in Fallbrook. Luckily it is not near them at this time but should the wind change it could be a whole different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annieosage View Post
    Yes my friends are in Fallbrook. Luckily it is not near them at this time but should the wind change it could be a whole different story.
    We're just north of there Lived close by until 6 months ago. It's destroyed a couple of mobile homes in an Age restricted mobile home park on the southwest corner of the 76 and the 15. Many homes in all directions. Prayers for all involved.
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    LAPD Warns Drivers Navigation Apps May Steer Them Toward Fires
    By David Welch
    December 7, 2017, 10:10 AM PST



    Navigation apps like Alphabet Inc.’s Waze, which can do wonders directing drivers through traffic, backfired for some motorists trying to maneuver around the wildfires that are raging across Southern California.

    Drivers have posted on Twitter that apps including Waze have steered them toward the flames. The Los Angeles Police Department warned motorists during a press conference Wednesday to be cautious using navigation apps near fiery areas and to obey all road blocks, spokesman Mike Lopez said by phone.

    Waze is in contact with the Los Angeles Department of Transportation to identify fire zones and has updated its mapping to reflect about 150 road segments that are closed, Chelsea Russo, a spokeswoman for the app, said Thursday. The fires are moving so fast that Waze has had a tough time keeping up with their location, she said.

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    Strong winds fanned the fires, which are burning from Los Angeles’s wealthy Bel-Air neighborhood to Ventura, about 60 miles to the northwest. Authorities temporarily closed parts of Interstate 405, the major freeway connecting the San Fernando Valley with job centers on the west side of Los Angeles, forcing thousands to seek alternate routes through the hills on Wednesday.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/technology
    “Then the creatures of the high air answered to the battle, .., and the woods trembled and the wind sobbed telling them, the earth shook,; the witches of the valley, and the wolves of the forests, howled from every quarter and on every side of the armies, urging them against one another.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmoley View Post
    New Fires now in San Diego .. just saw it on facebook

    "Lilac Fire (off I-15).. up to 150 acres, 2 buildings destroyed"
    DD evacuating now with grandbabies. This is about 15 minutes from their home. No idea what direction fire is moving or where she is in relation to this fire. At least she has some daylight to get to another area.

    Once again they announced Fire Danger very high in San Diego and then fire breaks out. Tired of this Shite. Sounds like a go signal to whatever nut job is lying around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    DD evacuating now with grandbabies. This is about 15 minutes from their home. No idea what direction fire is moving or where she is in relation to this fire. At least she has some daylight to get to another area.

    Once again they announced Fire Danger very high in San Diego and then fire breaks out. Tired of this Shite. Sounds like a go signal to whatever nut job is lying around.
    So when the weather service issues a dangerous weather threat early in the morning, or the day before, with the potential for tornadoes and then an EF5 twister takes out my town that night, should I suspect it's weather wars or jihadists?
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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