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    Rep. Thomas Massie Sounds Warning: House Leaders to Merge Obama-Style Gun Control with National Reciproci

    Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) is warning that House Leadership plans to merge Obama-style gun control with national reciprocity for concealed carry.

    This news comes just days before Rep. Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) national reciprocity legislation, H.R. 38, is supposed to go the House floor for a vote.

    Massie explains that the Obama-style gun controls are contained in the “fix-NICS” legislation, the very legislation that House Leadership “plans to merge” with H.R. 38. He used a Facebook post to explain the “fix-NICS” legislation would allow “agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.”

    He expounds:

    [“Fix-NICS”] encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.


    Massie does not name names, but presumes that some are seeking to add the gun control legislation as a way of “to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate.” Yet he believes it is a foolish attempt to gain the support of Senators like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who will not support national reciprocity legislation “even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database.”

    Massie observed, “If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.”

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    He used a Facebook post to explain the “fix-NICS” legislation would allow “agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.”
    That's how the laws are already worded.

    https://www.gunowners.org/ne0703.htm

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    Read my lips:



    F*** Obama.

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    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...l-reciprocity/



    Exclusive – Rep. Richard Hudson: Congress Must Listen to Overwhelming Majority of Americans, Pass National Reciprocity




    by AWR Hawkins4 Dec 2017147

    Rep. Richard Hudson (R-NC) told Breitbart News that it is time for Congress to listen to the overwhelming majority of Americans and pass national reciprocity for concealed carry.

    Hudson was being interviewed on December 4 for the upcoming episode of Bullets with AWR Hawkins, when he said, “We’re going to have national reciprocity legislation on the House Floor probably Wednesday of this week. …[The] 73 percent of Americans who want to see reciprocity are finally going to have their day on the House floor.”

    Hudson’s reciprocity legislation, Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 (H.R. 38), was introduced on January 3, 2017. It treats concealed carry permits like driver’s licenses inasmuch as it makes a permit from one state valid in the other 49. The goal is to free the common man from the cumbersome and often confusing patchwork of concealed carry laws in place around the nation.

    For example, a concealed carry permit holder in Kentucky driving to St. Louis for Christmas is not able to carry his firearm with him while in Illinois. In fact, he is not even permitted to have his gun in his vehicle, even though he has a concealed carry permit from Kentucky, and this is because Illinois only recognizes its own carry permit. The NRA-ILA reports Illinois state law on gun possession: “It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm in any vehicle or concealed on or about the person, except on one’s land or in one’s abode or fixed place of business, without a license.”

    So what is the common man to do? His Kentucky permit is valid in Indiana and Missouri, but if he is driving I-64 he cannot go from Indiana to St. Louis without crossing through Illinois. This creates a dilemma that crushes the exercise of Second Amendment rights and Hudson’s bill eliminates that dilemma by making the Kentucky permit as valid in Illinois as it is in Louisville, Lexington, or Bowling Green, Kentucky.

    Hudson told Breitbart News he was motivated to undertake this cause because of Shaneen Allen, a Pennsylvania mother of two who was arrested during a 2015 traffic stop in New Jersey for possessing a handgun for which she had a concealed carry permit and proper registration. Breitbart News reported, “Although the gun had been acquired legally and the paperwork was in order, Allen faced up to 10 years in prison because New Jersey does not recognize the Pennsylvania carry permit. She was ultimately pardoned by Governor Chris Chritie (R) and spared the agony of prison for carrying a gun to defend herself and her children.”

    How did we reach a point where a person can legally buy and carry a gun in one state yet be treated like a criminal if they drive across a state line with the firearm still in their possession?

    Hudson’s H.R. 38 fixes this mess by making the permit of one state valid in every state. His bill reached 212 co-sponsors by September 28, 2017, and is headed into Wednesday’s floor vote with momentum, yet more work is needed. Hudson said, “You can never take anything for granted. We’ve got the votes going in, but I’d like to have a few more votes, I’d feel more comfortable.” He urged Americans to contact their Reps. and ask them to vote for H.R. 38 on Wednesday.
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    Look at it as a national hand gun owner registration. Once passed anyone with a hand gun that gets pulled over by the cops you can expect to be greated by a cop with his gun out or at lest with his hand on it ready to do a mag dump on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestige View Post
    Read my lips:



    F*** Obama.
    Let's get this down to the nitty gritty, shall we??

    F*** ALL government.
    “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” — Author Tom Clancy

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    The Bill of Rights do not require a permit and/or a fee to get said permit
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    I for one really do not want the FEDS involved in the State business of carrying weapons.

    It's been my experience that the trend is towards the weakest members of the pool, i.e., the NY's, MD's and NJ's that virtually ban possession of handguns.

    I'd rather deal with not carrying to certain states if I'm required to go to them than have their onerous and un-Constitutional rules/laws extended to me.

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    If you do not already have all the guns, ammo and accessories you want/need - you are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny225 View Post
    Let's get this down to the nitty gritty, shall we??

    F*** ALL government.
    Our Government is the best the world has seen, it's not the "government" it's the scumbag power hungry, greedy, corrupt globalist bastards who've slithered into our government that are in dire need of farking. Then hanging.

    Our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS do NOT come from dc, nor can they be legislated away, they are from GOD and that is really I think what pisses them off the most. Every single one of them who vote in favor of anything with obama's name on it and also any word pertaining to a firearm needs to swing from a short rope, as they are breaking the vows to protect the Constitution they swore to uphold. THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Remember that. Screwing with our 2nd Amendment will probably be the straw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flippper View Post
    Our Government is the best the world has seen, it's not the "government" it's the scumbag power hungry, greedy, corrupt globalist bastards who've slithered into our government that are in dire need of farking. Then hanging.

    Our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS do NOT come from dc, nor can they be legislated away, they are from GOD and that is really I think what pisses them off the most. Every single one of them who vote in favor of anything with obama's name on it and also any word pertaining to a firearm needs to swing from a short rope, as they are breaking the vows to protect the Constitution they swore to uphold. THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Remember that. Screwing with our 2nd Amendment will probably be the straw.
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    You do realize that the slithering started just after the Constitution was ratified. Been that way ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flippper View Post
    Our Government is the best the world has seen, it's not the "government" it's the scumbag power hungry, greedy, corrupt globalist bastards who've slithered into our government that are in dire need of farking. Then hanging.

    Our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS do NOT come from dc, nor can they be legislated away, they are from GOD and that is really I think what pisses them off the most. Every single one of them who vote in favor of anything with obama's name on it and also any word pertaining to a firearm needs to swing from a short rope, as they are breaking the vows to protect the Constitution they swore to uphold. THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Remember that. Screwing with our 2nd Amendment will probably be the straw.
    Yeah, America has the best Government money can buy
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    Think it's time for another Government False Flag.
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    It's A God Given Right........

    (In today's world this goes for guns)

    "if you do not have a sword, sell your garments and buy one"

    No one shall infringe on God's Law
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    Look at it as a national hand gun owner registration. Once passed anyone with a hand gun that gets pulled over by the cops you can expect to be greated by a cop with his gun out or at lest with his hand on it ready to do a mag dump on you.
    As I said, cops do not want Americans owning guns. It's for their safety so cops can go home each night - alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B. View Post

    I'd rather deal with not carrying to certain states if I'm required to go to them than have their onerous and un-Constitutional rules/laws extended to me.

    Jeff B.

    That's my opinion at this point. We plan our vacations now primarily by concealed carry map.
    I feel bad for people that travel for work and have no say where they go.

    I feel bad my children will never get to see things like the smithsonian or The Wall. Virtual tours for children these days will hopefully be enough.
    If this national recip bill gets polluted like the OP predicts, I hope it quietly fades away. We'll never change the collective mindset in NJ or IL (cheecongo). Or the left-wing bat poop crazy state of Hawaii. I was told they had a concealed carry law for ONE civilian. He was the armorer for HPD. That was 15 years ago, might be different now.
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    Duplicate post
    Last edited by Luddite; 12-05-2017 at 07:01 AM.
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    " House Leadership plans to merge Obama-style gun control with national reciprocity for concealed carry. "

    House Leadership needs to ALL be voted out ! Folks they continually stab us in the back, and piss in our faces !!

    FORGET party loyalty !!!

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    F*** Obama.


    There would be no need to read my lips, people three counties over would hear me loud and clear....
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    This is the same method they used to pass the ban on new machineguns in 1986. It was added in a "Gun owners protection act". Whatever the legislation is called it will do the opposite. See Patriot Act, Gun owners protection act, Affordable care act, etc...

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    NO to reciprocity legislation

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    In fact, he is not even permitted to have his gun in his vehicle, even though he has a concealed carry permit from Kentucky, and this is because Illinois only recognizes its own carry permit.
    At one time, it was true, but IL now has reciprocity with several states.

    Anyone traveling through IL for any legal purpose may transport a legal firearm unloaded and cased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intestinal Fortitude View Post
    The Bill of Rights do not require a permit and/or a fee to get said permit
    Agreed, but The Bill of Rights covers citizens of the USA, as opposed to the place we live in now - which is some quasi-socialist feudal idiocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryowen View Post
    At one time, it was true, but IL now has reciprocity with several states.

    Anyone traveling through IL for any legal purpose may transport a legal firearm unloaded and cased.
    "Unloaded and cased" is not conceal carry. I would think one would need as much, if not more, protection traveling through IL, as anywhere else. Just saying.

    Also it is my understanding, that this bill will require an individual with a CCW and traveling through other states to comply with that states laws.

    For instance: Mag. capacity. Your state may allow 17, but the state you are traveling though may only allow 10. If you are arrested with 17, it's go to jail and loose your weapons and permits etc....

    Not withstanding "....shall not infringe....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping Cobra View Post
    As I said, cops do not want Americans owning guns. It's for their safety so cops can go home each night - alive.
    This is not necessarily true. It may be true of some LEO's, but the ones I know WANT people (responsible people) to own and carry firearms. They know full-well that it takes them too long to respond to calls, and you owning and carrying may make the difference between life and death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garryowen View Post
    At one time, it was true, but IL now has reciprocity with several states.

    Anyone traveling through IL for any legal purpose may transport a legal firearm unloaded and cased.
    That's been the Federal law for many years.
    The catch phrase is "traveling through", meaning non-stop on your way to another state.
    It won't protect you if you intend to stay in the state for longer than it takes to fuel up your vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinwater View Post
    This is the same method they used to pass the ban on new machineguns in 1986. It was added in a "Gun owners protection act". Whatever the legislation is called it will do the opposite. See Patriot Act, Gun owners protection act, Affordable care act, etc...
    Mcclure-Volkmer act.

    Hughes Amendment did not pass therefore it's not valid.

    13 minute youtube video of the whole process:

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