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    3 If You Can Pay for Aspirin, You Can Pay for Birth Control

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    If You Can Pay for Aspirin, You Can Pay for Birth Control

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    Posted: Oct 11, 2017 10:40 AM

    IT HAS BEEN 52 years since the Supreme Court ruled, in Griswold v. Connecticut, that government may not ban anyone from using contraceptives. The freedom to use birth control is protected by the Constitution's "fundamental right" to privacy. That freedom is a matter of settled law and hasn't been challenged in the slightest by President Trump or his administration.

    But you wouldn't know that from the hysteria that erupted when the White House last week acted to uphold the conscience claims of employers who object to funding some types of contraception on sincere moral or religious grounds.

    "The Trump administration just took direct aim at birth control coverage for 62 million women," stormed Cecile Richards, the president of Planned Parenthood. On Twitter, Hillary Clinton accused Trump of showing "blatant disregard for medicine, science, & every woman's right to make her own health decisions." Elizabeth Warren, denouncing "this attack on basic health care," claimed that the GOP's top priority is to deprive women of birth control. "News flash to Republicans," Warren sneered. "The year is 2017, not 1917."

    News flash to Warren, et al.: There is no attack on health care, and no one in America is being deprived of birth control. You are losing nothing but the power to force nuns to pay for your oral contraceptives. As a matter of common decency, you should be ashamed of demanding something so outrageous.

    Access to birth control may be deemed within the First Amendment's "emanations" and "penumbras," as the Supreme Court put it. The right to religious liberty, however, is not merely implied by the words of the Constitution. It's explicit. As a matter of economics and public policy, the Affordable Care Act mandate that birth control be supplied for free is absurd. But ramming that mandate down the throat of Christian colleges, Little Sisters of the Poor, and others with grave religious objections was worse than absurd; it was unconstitutional.

    In carving out an exemption to the ACA mandate for employers with genuine moral qualms, the Trump administration is belatedly halting five years' worth of bullying by the federal government. "To the greatest extent practicable and permitted by law," the administration's new religious guidance makes clear, "religious observance and practice should be reasonably accommodated in all government activity." It is disturbing to see "reproductive rights" hardliners react with such fury to treating nuns with respect and sensitivity. Especially since birth control will remain as available and affordable as ever.

    Religious concerns aside, the new White House rule leaves the birth-control mandate in place. Trump's "tweak won't affect 99.9 percent of women," observes the Wall Street Journal, "and that number could probably have a few more 9s at the end." Washington will continue to compel virtually every employer and insurer in America to supply birth control to any woman who wants one at no out-of-pocket cost.

    Yet there is no legitimate rationale for such a mandate. Americans don't expect to get aspirin, bandages, or cold medicine or condoms for free; by what logic should birth control pills or diaphragms be handed over at no cost? It is true that a woman's unwanted pregnancy can lead to serious costs, but the same is also true of a diabetic's hyperglycemia. Should insulin be free?

    By and large, birth control is inexpensive; as little as $20 a month without insurance. For low-income women who find that too onerous, the federal government's Title X program provides subsidized contraception to the tune of nearly $290 million per year. American women are not forced to choose between the Pill or the rent. And access to birth control, as the Centers for Disease Control reported in 2010, was virtually universal before Obamacare.

    The White House is right to end the burden on religious objectors. But it is the birth-control mandate itself that should be scrapped. Contraception is legal, cheap, and available everywhere. Why are the feds meddling where they aren't needed?
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    ive never seen why it is so important to force someone to pay for your birth control for women. its cheap.
    go to a college clinic its free. go to planned parenthood and its a sliding scale. go to county healthy clinic and its free or sliding scale.
    not for one second do i believe a person cant afford birth control.
    if they can afford a cell phone,or smart phone or cable tv or starbucks, they can pay for their own birth control. i dunno maybe its all about lumping abortion into birth control and then forcing others to pay for it cause if an average woman had to pay for her own abortion themselves they might change their mind. that might mean less abortions and the abortion industry makes less money.
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    Condoms are free in most county clinics, reproductive health clinics, campuses, and a good many bars. People who engage in unprotected sex are risking a lot more than a pregnancy. They better know their partner(s) well. Strange that we didn't have this problem when people had morals.
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    When was that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    Condoms are free in most county clinics, reproductive health clinics, campuses, and a good many bars. People who engage in unprotected sex are risking a lot more than a pregnancy. They better know their partner(s) well. Strange that we didn't have this problem when people had morals.
    Quote Originally Posted by FarmerJohn View Post
    When was that?
    Yeah, I'd like to know the same thing. Seems to me the clap has been around for centuries!
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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    Yeah, I'd like to know the same thing. Seems to me the clap has been around for centuries!
    It wasn't that long ago that people were not as promiscuous as they are now. It wasn't that long ago that people didn't have multiple sex partners and generally had a relationship (usually long term instead) with people they were intimate with. With the loosening of morals, in that direction, came AIDS, unwanted pregnancies, and a host of other issues. In that mix is now the demand that we pay for peoples' birth control. I get it if it's a medical necessity. But I just can't agree with it when I'm being asked to pay for someone's play time. STDs have been around forever, but not at the proportions we are seeing them in the past 20 years. I attribute that, in part, to lose morals. My opinion. You are certainly welcome to disagree. Do you really believe the family unit is what it was a generation ago? How do you explain the rate of out of wedlock births, children being raised in fatherless homes, and we're now vaccinating school children for STDs (not that that's necessarily a bad thing). It's not gays that are at the top of the list for HIV transmission anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    It wasn't that long ago that people were not as promiscuous as they are now. It wasn't that long ago that people didn't have multiple sex partners and generally had a relationship (usually long term instead) with people they were intimate with. With the loosening of morals, in that direction, came AIDS, unwanted pregnancies, and a host of other issues. In that mix is now the demand that we pay for peoples' birth control. I get it if it's a medical necessity. But I just can't agree with it when I'm being asked to pay for someone's play time. STDs have been around forever, but not at the proportions we are seeing them in the past 20 years. I attribute that, in part, to lose morals. My opinion. You are certainly welcome to disagree. Do you really believe the family unit is what it was a generation ago? How do you explain the rate of out of wedlock births, children being raised in fatherless homes, and we're now vaccinating school children for STDs (not that that's necessarily a bad thing). It's not gays that are at the top of the list for HIV transmission anymore.


    this has to be the funniest, and most naive, thing I've read all night! Thank you for the belly laugh.

    ETA men often stayed with their unfaithful wives so as to not be viewed as a cuckold. Likewise, men who knocked up their secretaries often paid the secretary to go away, so as to not make his business look bad. People have been jumping fences for thousands of years. People have been debased for thousands of years. The only difference now, just like Sodam and Gomorrah, they're coming out of the closet and in droves!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post


    this has to be the funniest, and most naive, thing I've read all night! Thank you for the belly laugh.

    ETA men often stayed with their unfaithful wives so as to not be viewed as a cuckold. Likewise, men who knocked up their secretaries often paid the secretary to go away, so as to not make his business look bad. People have been jumping fences for thousands of years. People have been debased for thousands of years. The only difference now, just like Sodam and Gomorrah, they're coming out of the closet and in droves!
    So you honestly think we have not let morals go? You believe we have no more STDs and out of wedlock births than we did even 20 years ago? Speaking of belly laughs, what's the cat told you lately?

    I guess the bottom line is we either pay for birth control, or we pay for 18 years, in many cases. I'd rather pay for birth control, given only the two as options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    Speaking of belly laughs, what's the cat told you lately?
    The "cat" died Monday night...
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    The "cat" died Monday night...
    Sorry to hear. Those posts were entertaining. He will certainly be hard to replace. My condolences. I will edit the above.
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    Cat dead or not....Packy, your stance on the OP.....in my opinion....is way off base! 'Course my opinion is like 'tater holes'! Still my opinion....
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1 oldskool View Post
    Cat dead or not....Packy, your stance on the OP.....in my opinion....is way off base! 'Course my opinion is like 'tater holes'! Still my opinion....
    My stance on the OP is we the tax payers subsidize, and quite heavily, big pharma, and as such should be required to provide birth control free of charge to every woman who wants it!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Free birth control....keep your legs crossed......simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    this has to be the funniest, and most naive, thing I've read all night! Thank you for the belly laugh.

    ETA men often stayed with their unfaithful wives so as to not be viewed as a cuckold. Likewise, men who knocked up their secretaries often paid the secretary to go away, so as to not make his business look bad. People have been jumping fences for thousands of years. People have been debased for thousands of years. The only difference now, just like Sodam and Gomorrah, they're coming out of the closet and in droves!
    It isn't that people never "debased" in the last couple of centuries, it is the amount and numbers of people who now participate in "debased" behaviors that is cause for concern. A higher percentage of people are likely more "promiscuous" than those of past generations and the amount of time they stay "promiscuous" is likely longer than some of those in past generations. I personally don't care for sex shaming terms, but in other words more people are having sex with more people for a longer time of their lifespan. Lifelong monogomy rates are much lower than in past generations (unless study after study is just wrong). Those who do finally engage in life long monogomy are doing so at a much later stage in life.

    Here in the US, STD rates are at an all time high with some becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics. The marriage rate is at an all time low (people might still shack up for life, that will have to be seen with future stats). Are these changes good, bad, or not really a big deal either way? I think that depends on many factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    My stance on the OP is we the tax payers subsidize, and quite heavily, big pharma, and as such should be required to provide birth control free of charge to every woman who wants it!
    I agree it should be free. That being said, government needs to also start to seriously invest in chemical male birth control research. Vasalgel is need to protect men from paternity fraud and give men a method of control over their reporductive rights that is on the same level as female chemical birth control. Additionally condoms need to be made free to everyone at any store with a government regulated pharmacy. I shouldn't have to drive to just a handful of places in the county for free condoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebb View Post
    Free birth control....keep your legs crossed......simple
    Or stick it somewhere else...
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    This thread has been something of a surprise to me. I thought most folks here believed that morality and chastity were virtues worth encouraging. But it sounds like a good many TBers are more of a mind to accept behavior that is sinful as acceptable. How very sad. JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravekid View Post
    I agree it should be free. That being said, government needs to also start to seriously invest in chemical male birth control research. Vasalgel is need to protect men from paternity fraud and give men a method of control over their reporductive rights that is on the same level as female chemical birth control. Additionally condoms need to be made free to everyone at any store with a government regulated pharmacy. I shouldn't have to drive to just a handful of places in the county for free condoms.
    Didn't realize you were a socialist.

    Shame on you.
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    Wow, that's smart. How far of a drive? Spend $20-30 on gas for a $5 pack of rubbers......sounds like lib think to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    Condoms are free in most county clinics, reproductive health clinics, campuses, and a good many bars. People who engage in unprotected sex are risking a lot more than a pregnancy. They better know their partner(s) well. Strange that we didn't have this problem when people had morals.
    Birth control pills aren't that easy of a thing to take for some women, that's why they are a prescription med. There's some women who can't take birth control pills - the side effect can be dangerous. There's no guarantees that you will be fully protected using condoms - even if they are for free. I don't want to pay for someone's sex romps, if they play they must pay for it themselves.

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    It's not birth control it's population control, once again the leftists are singing from the Nazi party handbook,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravekid View Post
    I agree it should be free. That being said, government needs to also start to seriously invest in chemical male birth control research. Vasalgel is need to protect men from paternity fraud and give men a method of control over their reporductive rights that is on the same level as female chemical birth control. Additionally condoms need to be made free to everyone at any store with a government regulated pharmacy. I shouldn't have to drive to just a handful of places in the county for free condoms.
    Nothing is for "free," someone is paying for them. What makes you think you are entitled to a free screw? Why should I have to pay my tax dollars so you can get "free" condoms? You want to screw around you pay for them yourself. How about we the taxpayer say how many condoms you think you're entitled to. How about 1 condom a month and if you're a good boy maybe 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gawarriorqueen View Post
    This thread has been something of a surprise to me. I thought most folks here believed that morality and chastity were virtues worth encouraging. But it sounds like a good many TBers are more of a mind to accept behavior that is sinful as acceptable. How very sad. JMHO.
    I don't think any one of us here at TB have control over anyone's morality. No one has control of what people do sexually except to with hold money so these immoral people can do as they please on our tax dollar. The government has no business being in the bedroom, and the government has no business using my money to be there.

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    best birth control is just dont.......or drink a beer or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson View Post
    Didn't realize you were a socialist.

    Shame on you.
    Do you want costly paved roads paid for by money taken from others? Do you want a forced publicly funded 911 phone system? Do you want a forced publicly funded police, fire, and EMS service? Do you want forced publicly funded local, state, and national park systems?

    If you answered yes to any of these you can call yourself a socialist as well. It's OK, most people are closet socialists anyways. They just pretend that being OK with forcing others to pay for "the basics" isn't really socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    Nothing is for "free," someone is paying for them. What makes you think you are entitled to a free screw? Why should I have to pay my tax dollars so you can get "free" condoms? You want to screw around you pay for them yourself. How about we the taxpayer say how many condoms you think you're entitled to. How about 1 condom a month and if you're a good boy maybe 2.
    Why are you entitled to paved roads? Why should anyone have to pay anything more than what it cost to make a dirt part? What about police, fire, EMS, 911 services? Public schools and the transportation? Why should I or anyone else have to pay for those types of things if we don't want to. Let me guess, you're OK with everyone else being forced to pay so you can have "the basics?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gawarriorqueen View Post
    This thread has been something of a surprise to me. I thought most folks here believed that morality and chastity were virtues worth encouraging. But it sounds like a good many TBers are more of a mind to accept behavior that is sinful as acceptable. How very sad. JMHO.

    Not at all. The sad reality is most people aren't capable of controlling themselves because they're ruled by their emotions and hormones.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompson View Post
    Didn't realize you were a socialist.

    Shame on you.
    Not at all. People are going to hook up, especially those with lots of free time on their hands, teenagers, college students, trailer parks, and ghettos come to mind. Wouldn't you rather they had free birth control, provided by Big Pharma FOR FREE since we subsidize them with our tax dollars, instead of producing more babies that'll be on the gov't tit for the rest of it's life?
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    Nothing is for "free," someone is paying for them. What makes you think you are entitled to a free screw? Why should I have to pay my tax dollars so you can get "free" condoms? You want to screw around you pay for them yourself. How about we the taxpayer say how many condoms you think you're entitled to. How about 1 condom a month and if you're a good boy maybe 2.
    We subsidize BIG PHARMA with our tax dollars. MAKE BIG PHARMA, no REQUIRE them to provide free birth control and condoms everywhere! You're not going to stop people from fornicating, but you can reduce the birth rates by providing free birth control. Put it in a kiosk in every mall, on every street corner, in every seven eleven, every walmart and target, or bar, across this country!!!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marthanoir View Post
    It's not birth control it's population control, once again the leftists are singing from the Nazi party handbook,
    And yet many here scream that they want certain sectors of our societies populations to be controlled. Muslims, hispanics, blacks, and native americans are those specific groups that come to mind.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Couple of things:
    Packy is right. People have been screwing around for centuries. They are just more open about it now.

    33rd.... drinking a beer or two usually turned into 8 or 10, and that turned into a lot of unplanned pregnancies

    Ravekid is right. We all end up paying for women having babies they can't really take care of. They become a burden on society and therefore us.

    Making birth control free and even incentivizing it by percentage cuts in welfare payments to women who have kids while on welfare would save billions in added welfare payments and long term society costs for care of children who become adults and therefore lifetime burdens on society.

    Seems our big problem in this country is that women who should be having kids are not, while women who who are ill prepared and unable to afford kids are popping them out left and right , and should have their vaginas glued shut. Give these idiots free birth control and offer them either a cut tp their welfare or a free hysterectomy each time they have another kid they can't afford.

    Yes, I am also in favor of making some kind of male contraceptive available to men who want it, and mandatory vasectomies for males impregnating women out of wedlock.

    The wrong economic demographic is growing exponentially in this country, while the people who succeed and build the country are not even having enough children to replace themselves and will be extinct in a couple of generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post

    Yes, I am also in favor of making some kind of male contraceptive available to men who want it, and mandatory vasectomies for males impregnating women out of wedlock.
    Free vasectomies for those who don't want to work/keep a job!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
    The wrong economic demographic is growing exponentially in this country, while the people who succeed and build the country are not even having enough children to replace themselves and will be extinct in a couple of generations.
    Too little, too late, maybe. I work with younger people, and I've seen first hand a slight uptick in the early to mid 20s group getting married. I have no idea if these marriages will last. There is a part of society that would scream, "WAIT TILL YOU'RE 30!" Even if these younger marriages fail, they likely will produce children. Many of the people I work with came from broken homes (ie: Divorced parents) but are very hardworking young adults. They are educated, productive members of society. My hope is that if they end up divorced, their kids don't fail but rather see the divorce as just something that is and become good citizens like their parents.

    On the other hand, we have a larger group of young people who are treating themselves horribly. Both young men and women, especially those in college (ie: Our future leaders) are treating relationships as something to simply throw away and not worth forming. Then we have see issues with some of them being able to form stable relationships in the future. Marriage rates are flat-lining for those born in the 80s and 90s. This has never been the case with previous generations.



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    Then there's the tired old argument that if Viagra is covered by insurance, so should be birth control. Back in my day, long ago, I paid for my own birth control and it wasn't a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradohermit View Post
    Then there's the tired old argument that if Viagra is covered by insurance, so should be birth control. Back in my day, long ago, I paid for my own birth control and it wasn't a big deal.
    Back in my teens condoms were prescription only, if you couldn't get a script from your gp you had to buy them on the black market, even into the 2000's they were still regulated as to where they could be sold, no machines in the pubs or nightclubs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    Birth control pills aren't that easy of a thing to take for some women, that's why they are a prescription med. There's some women who can't take birth control pills - the side effect can be dangerous. There's no guarantees that you will be fully protected using condoms - even if they are for free. I don't want to pay for someone's sex romps, if they play they must pay for it themselves.
    Agreed. So, they should pony up for one of the fifty or so other currently available contraceptive methods (pretty much all usable only by women). Straight (or, normal) men currently only have what, interposing a piece of rubber garden hose, taking a cleaver to their nads, hot water baths, alternative sexual activities (PIV is only 1 of the 3 things that together constitute a woman going "round the world"), or skipping sex altogether.
    Proud member Alt-Right group "Scientists For Trump". (Smart Americans know he's right.)
    A man should only take a wife whose Bible includes Genesis, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Colossians, Malachi, Isaiah, Ephesians, Corinthians, Hebrews, Timothy, Titus, Proverbs, Mark, Peter & Revelation. Ecclesiastes 7:28 (NIV) tells him the odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt View Post
    So you honestly think we have not let morals go? You believe we have no more STDs and out of wedlock births than we did even 20 years ago? Speaking of belly laughs, what's the cat told you lately?

    I guess the bottom line is we either pay for birth control, or we pay for 18 years, in many cases. I'd rather pay for birth control, given only the two as options.
    So it's better to risk killing a baby by potentially inducing an abortion through chemical birth control, than telling girls and boys to take a cold shower?

    Abstinence and adoption should be the options society supports.

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