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    Quote Originally Posted by Ractivist View Post
    This idea does not fall in the woo category. A few years back the muslims stated clearly that these fires were a simple and highly effective means of attack. I'd suggest a great percentage fall in this category. Our society is extremely vulnerable, and has been under attack by muslims for a long long time. It's easy to create a catastrophe and leave no finger prints, if that's the goal. Look around, what would it take? Woe, not sure how to spell woe, but woe as in pain is the correct word, over woo. Lots of pain for a lot of people, at great expense to the state as well, which again is us......
    Yeah...

    Some of us have long memories...

    On May 31, 2012 the Department of Homeland Security issued a warning of, "Terrorist interest in the tactic of intentionally setting fires to cause casualties, economic damage, and resource depletion".

    The warning was based off of latest issue of al Qaeda’s English magazine in the Arabian Peninsula, Inspire. The organization calls on its operatives and supporters to set forests on fire as part of its struggle against enemies of Islam. The magazine, which emphasizes that forest fires are a permitted combat method in Islam, provides relevant quotes from the Qur'an as proof. The magazine also includes detailed explanations on how to prepare incendiary bombs to set forests ablaze (This publication and many other documents are available for viewing at Jihadology website, http://jihadology.net/).

    The fact that terrorists have used arson as a tactic is proven throughout other theatres of operations. Hizballah has ignited forest fires in Israel with an unprecedented 200 fires being set in Jerusalem in a single day.
    Further, Alexander Bortnikov, the Head Russia’s Federal Security Service blamed Islamic terrorists for a spate of forest fires in Europe.

    The reason behind the media blackout is because the president, not wanting to be seen as losing the "war on terror", fabricates a cover story.

    Forbes Magazine stated that the reason the Obama administration lied about the attacks in Benghazi that killed an US Ambassador and three other Americans was because the, “Attack which left four Americans dead exposed the president’s flaccid diplomacy…Obama’s foreign policy is in shambles. Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us”.

    And the same tactic was evident in the crippling forest fires that were seen on American soil during the summer of 2012. The official explanation given was that target shooters, an old stand-by enemy of gun control proponents, were responsible for setting the blazes that destroyed thousands of acres of land and hundreds of private residences.

    But, what went unreported in the mainstream media was that an Islamic Jihadist group named Masadat al-Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the fires.

    The statement they released included the following:

    Allah have granted a group of our brothers from the lions of Masadat Al-Mujahidin at 8:00 in the day before yesterday Thursday 25 Safar 1433 A.H. corresponding 19 January 2012 to set fire in the forests of Nevada in the Reno region.

    And we by this great event and paradigm shift declare the following:

    1. We declare our full responsibility of setting fire in the Nevada forests in America.

    2. We declare widening the area of war and transferring it currently to inside America and soon to elsewhere. ”

    This same jihadist group took credit for the 2013 Arizona wildfires that killed 19 firefighters:

    "Masada al-Mujahideen Fulfilled its Promise and Attacked America Again After the Expiration of the Period with Fires that Achieved Historic Results.

    "We had previously announced an unconventional war against the occupation state of Israel, and then we escalated this war to reach its main supporter, America, so that it receives a major share of it, which will destroy their flora and fauna, with permission from Allah and then with our hands."


    The statement further said that the group targeted the United States "in order to make it clear and to make it know we can reach it when we warn it, and to make it certain that our hands don't just reach it but also strike it."

    In addition to claiming responsibility for fires in the US, the jihadist group has claimed credit for more than a dozen fires in Israel since 2010.

    Contrary to the claims of Masadat al-Mujahideen, authorities have said that they believe the fires were started as a result of lighting.

    But, I'm willing to bet that this is the first you've ever heard of this information.
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    Radio report puts death toll at 11 now.....

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    http://www.ktvu.com/news/at-least-10...a-wine-country

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    10 dead, over 100 reported missing in North Bay wildfires

    Posted:*Oct 09 2017 10:02PM PDT
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    Updated:*Oct 10 2017 05:09AM PDT
    By JEFF CHIU and ELLEN KNICKMEYER
    Associated Press

    SANTA ROSA, Calif. (AP) --* A Northern California county says it has received more than 100 missing-person reports as family and friends scramble to locate loved ones while wildfires ravage the state.
    **
    Scott Alonso, communications director for Sonoma County, says the reports have come via calls to a hotline the county set up for the missing.

    It is possible that many or most of the missing are safe but simply can't be reached because of the widespread loss of cell service and other communications.*

    The firestorm consuming the state has killed at least 10 people, seven of whom were in Sonoma County.
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    Wildfires whipped by powerful winds swept through California wine country Monday, killing at least 10 people and injuring at least 100, destroying 1,500 homes and businesses and sending thousands fleeing as flames raged unchecked through high-end resorts, grocery stores and tree-lined neighborhoods.

    The fires broke out nearly simultaneously and then exploded overnight, sending residents fleeing as embers rained down and flames raged around them. Two hospitals in Santa Rosa, the largest city in the region with 175,000 people, were forced to evacuate patients.

    Later in the day, fires from ruptured gas lines dotted the smoky landscapes of blackened Santa Rosa hillsides. Fire trucks raced by smoldering roadside landscaping in search of higher priorities.

    The flames were fickle in some corners of the city. One hillside home remained unscathed while a dozen surrounding it were destroyed.

    One of the homes that was reduced to ash had a Mercedes Benz in the garage. Two cars parked across the street were untouched.

    The large majority of the injured were treated for smoke inhalation, according to St. Joseph Health, which operates hospitals in the Santa Rosa area. Two were in critical condition and one was in serious condition. The number of injured is expected to climb as information comes in for all the other areas affected by the firestorm consuming the state.

    The flames were unforgiving throughout Santa Rosa, torching block after block with little to salvage.

    Hundreds of homes in the Fountain Grove area were leveled by flames so hot they melted the glass off of cars and turned aluminum wheels into liquid. One neighborhood of older homes was scorched, leaving only brick chimneys and downed power lines.

    Residents who gathered at emergency shelters and grocery stores said they were shocked by the speed and ferocity of the flames. They recalled all the possessions they had left behind and were lost.

    "All that good stuff, I'm never going to see it again," said Jeff Okrepkie, who fled his neighborhood in Santa Rosa knowing it was probably the last time he would see his home of the past five years standing.

    His worst fears were confirmed Monday, when a friend sent him a photo of what was left: a smoldering heap of burnt metal and debris.

    In the rush to leave, Okrepkie and his wife were able to gather important documents, photos and mementos, like letters from his wife's late father. Still, Okrepkie was tortured by the things he left behind, including a framed photo of his grandfather that his grandmother had carried with her for a decade after he died.

    Some of the largest of the 14 blazes burning over a 200-mile region were in Napa and Sonoma counties, home to dozens of wineries that attract tourists from around the world. They sent smoke as far south as San Francisco, about 60 miles (96 kilometers) away. The causes of the fires were unknown.

    The fires throughout the region were among the deadliest in California history, and fire officials expected the number of fatalities to increase.

    Winds have posed a challenge to firefighters in the state this year despite a relatively wet winter that followed years of drought. The fires that broke out Sunday burned "at explosive rates" because of 50 mph winds, said Ken Pimlott, director of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

    October has generally been the most destructive time of year for California wildfires. What was unusual Sunday, however, was to have so many fires take off at the same time.

    Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Napa, Sonoma, Butte, Lake, Mendocino, Nevada and Yuba counties. Authorities imposed a sunset-to-sunrise curfew in Santa Rosa, saying they were on the lookout for looters.

    The ferocity of the flames forced authorities to focus primarily on getting people out safely, even if it meant abandoning structures to the fire.

    Elsewhere in the state, a fire churning through canyons in hilly neighborhoods of Orange County burned at least half a dozen homes and forced residents of about 1,000 homes to evacuate. Brown also declared a state of emergency for Orange County.

    The inferno in Northern California blackened miles along Highway 12, one of the main gateways into wine country.

    Wooden fence posts and guard rails burned fiercely. Thick smoke roiled from the JR Cohn winery.

    The fires also damaged the Silverado Resort in Napa and a Hilton hotel in Santa Rosa.

    Kim Hoe, a 33-year-old tech worker from Penang, Malaysia, was staying at the Hilton Sonoma Wine Country, which was gutted by flames. He said the power went out around 1 a.m., and he and his colleagues started packing up when someone knocked on the door and told them to run.

    "We just had to run and run. It was full of smoke. We could barely breathe," Hoe said.

    They returned in the morning to find the hotel had been destroyed along with most of their possessions. Hoe was relieved he had taken his passport and a few essential items.

    Santa Rosa lost a Kmart, restaurants, businesses and homes.
    *
    Firefighters rushed to a state home for the severely disabled when flames reached one side of the center's sprawling campus in the historic Sonoma County town of Glen Ellen. Emergency workers leapt from their cars to aid the evacuation.

    Crews got the more than 200 people from the threatened buildings, one firefighter said, as flames closed within a few dozen feet.

    Mike Turpen, 38, was at a bar in Glen Ellen early Monday when a stranger wearing a smoke mask ran in and yelled that there was a fire. Turpen raced home through flames in his Ford F-250.

    "It was like Armageddon was on," Turpen said. "Every branch of every tree was on fire."

    He stayed to try to defend his own rental home.

    By late morning, Turpen, wearing shorts, a kerchief mask and goggles, was the last man standing for miles along one abandoned road. His yard and all those around him were burned, smoking and still flaming in a few spots. But his home was still standing.

    Here's a list of working fires in the North Bay counties of Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino, Yuba, Butte, Lake, Nevada, and Calaveras. For complete updated information on evacuations check Cal-Fire's incident information page.

    Napa Co. fires:
    Tubbs—* 27,000 acres ,
    Patrick— 3,000 acres
    Atlas Peak – 25,000 acres

    Sonoma Co. fires:
    Pocket—500 acres*
    Nuns – 5,000 acres
    37 – 2,000 acres; 15% contained
    Fort—20 acres; 100% contained

    Mendocino Co. fires:
    Redwood Complex (includes Redwood Fire and Potter Fire) – 19,000 acres
    Yuba Co. fires:
    Cascade— 8,200 acres; 10% percent contained
    Butte Co. fires:
    La Porte— 3,500 acres; 5% contained*
    Honey— 75 acres
    Cherokee— 7.500 acres; 25% contained
    Lake Co.* fires:
    Ridge— 87 acres ; 75% contained
    Sulphur— 2,000 acres

    Nevada Co. fires:
    McCourtney—200 acres
    Lobo – 900 acres
    Calaveras Co. fires:
    Point; 130 acres; 25% contained*

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    Al Boe BREAKING NEWS‏ @AlBoeNEWS 18m18 minutes ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ractivist View Post
    This idea does not fall in the woo category. A few years back the muslims stated clearly that these fires were a simple and highly effective means of attack. I'd suggest a great percentage fall in this category. Our society is extremely vulnerable, and has been under attack by muslims for a long long time. It's easy to create a catastrophe and leave no finger prints, if that's the goal. Look around, what would it take? Woe, not sure how to spell woe, but woe as in pain is the correct word, over woo. Lots of pain for a lot of people, at great expense to the state as well, which again is us......
    Oh, yeah... I remember.

    This is an excerpt from my book written almost four years ago, now:





    On May 31, 2012 the Department of Homeland Security issued a warning of, "Terrorist interest in the tactic of intentionally setting fires to cause casualties, economic damage, and resource depletion".

    The warning was based off of latest issue of al Qaeda’s English magazine in the Arabian Peninsula, Inspire. The organization calls on its operatives and supporters to set forests on fire as part of its struggle against enemies of Islam. The magazine, which emphasizes that forest fires are a permitted combat method in Islam, provides relevant quotes from the Qur'an as proof. The magazine also includes detailed explanations on how to prepare incendiary bombs to set forests ablaze (This publication and many other documents are available for viewing at Jihadology website ).

    The fact that terrorists have used arson as a tactic is proven throughout other theatres of operations. Hizballah has ignited forest fires in Israel with an unprecedented 200 fires being set in Jerusalem in a single day.

    Further, Alexander Bortnikov, the Head Russia’s Federal Security Service blamed Islamic terrorists for a spate of forest fires in Europe.

    The reason behind the media blackout is because the president, not wanting to be seen as losing the "war on terror", fabricates a cover story.

    Forbes Magazine stated that the reason the Obama administration lied about the attacks in Benghazi that killed an US Ambassador and three other Americans was because the, "Attack which left four Americans dead exposed the president’s flaccid diplomacy... Obama’s foreign policy is in shambles. Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us".

    And the same tactic was evident in the crippling forest fires that were seen on American soil during the summer of 2012. The official explanation given was that target shooters, an old stand-by enemy of gun control proponents, were responsible for setting the blazes that destroyed thousands of acres of land and hundreds of private residences.

    But, what went unreported in the mainstream media was that an Islamic Jihadist group named Masadat al-Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the fires
    .

    The statement they released included the following:

    "Allah have granted a group of our brothers from the lions of Masadat Al-Mujahidin at 8:00 in the day before yesterday Thursday 25 Safar 1433 A.H. corresponding 19 January 2012 to set fire in the forests of Nevada in the Reno region.

    And we by this great event and paradigm shift declare the following:

    1. We declare our full responsibility of setting fire in the Nevada forests in America.

    2. We declare widening the area of war and transferring it currently to inside America and soon to elsewhere.
    "

    This same jihadist group took credit for the 2013 Arizona wildfires that killed 19 firefighters:

    "Masada al-Mujahideen Fulfilled its Promise and Attacked America Again After the Expiration of the Period with Fires that Achieved Historic Results.

    We had previously announced an unconventional war against the occupation state of Israel, and then we escalated this war to reach its main supporter, America, so that it receives a major share of it, which will destroy their flora and fauna, with permission from Allah and then with our hands
    ."

    The statement further said that the group targeted the United States "in order to make it clear and to make it know we can reach it when we warn it, and to make it certain that our hands don't just reach it but also strike it."

    In addition to claiming responsibility for fires in the US, the jihadist group has claimed credit for more than a dozen fires in Israel since 2010.

    Contrary to the claims of Masadat al-Mujahideen, authorities have said that they believe the fires were started as a result of lighting.

    But, I'm willing to bet that this is the first you've ever heard of this information.
    Deo adjuvante non timendum - With God Helping, Nothing is to be Feared

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    I am known for my "snotty gibberish", aren't I?

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    so a friend just posted ariel photos of her Santa Rosa neighborhood on FB, before and after. HOLY CRAP the entire neighborhood is gone! We're talking dozens and dozens of houses burnt to the ground!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    so a friend just posted ariel photos of her Santa Rosa neighborhood on FB, before and after. HOLY CRAP the entire neighborhood is gone! We're talking dozens and dozens of houses burnt to the ground!
    Unbelievable photos over the past day or so. I can't post them all. Simply mind-boggling:

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=is....0.oqSQai25ujI
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    Top of the hour news now has the death toll at 13....

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    Now up to 15...

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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/thousands-f...ry?id=50383162

    Thousands flee as wildfires ravage Northern California; at least 15 killed

    By Karma Allen
    Oct 10, 2017, 2:25 PM ET

    Video

    Massive wildfires sweeping through parts of California have killed at least 15 people and damaged more than 1,500 residences and other buildings, according to authorities.

    Firefighters were battling 17 fires across multiple counties in the state as of late Monday, authorities said. Intensified by strong winds, the fires charred about 115,000 acres of land, destroyed at least 1,500 buildings and forced nearly 20,000 residents to evacuate.

    St. Joseph Health said about 170 patients have been treated, many for burns and smoke inhalation, at three of its hospitals, including two in Sonoma County, where at least seven people died of fire-related injuries. Authorities have received up to 150 missing person reports, according to one Sonoma County official.

    Sonoma County Sgt. Spencer Crum told ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos today on "GMA" that the county has asked everyone to "help us out" in the battle against the blazes.

    The shifting gusts that dogged firefighters have eased, he added.

    "The night before this, we had 60 mph winds, which is the reason why you have such devastation here," Crum said.

    He confirmed that the alert system put in place gave residents ample time to evacuate and likely prevented many deaths.

    "We have a subscription service where we can alert our residents, and we did that right away, trying to notify everybody where the fire was, where it was going and how fast it was going, and I think it saved a lot of lives," Crum said.

    Officials with the California Highway Patrol described one of the dead as an elderly woman who was blind and hard of hearing, according to ABC's San Francisco station, KGO. The woman was found dead in the driveway of her home in Santa Rosa, according to the officials, who suspected that she was trying to escape the flames when she died.

    Details on the other victims have not been released yet.

    Two of the largest fires, dubbed the Tubbs and Atlas fires by authorities, burned a combined 52,000 acres of land in Sonoma and Napa counties.

    In Anaheim, 1,000 firefighters were mobilized to fight a blaze that burned an estimated 6,000 acres and destroyed at least 24 homes and businesses. At least 3,000 residents were evacuated in and around Anaheim, and more than 5,000 structures were threatened by the flames.

    California Gov. Jerry Brown has declared a state of emergency for Napa, Sonoma and Yuba counties.

    With the flames sweeping through communities, some area hospitals have been evacuated. Evacuations were also issued for surrounding counties that are under threat, according to the Napa Valley Sheriff's Office.

    Many residents have been warned not to return to their homes until further notice.

    Jeff Okrepkie, a resident of Santa Rosa, said he fled his home of five years knowing that it could very well be leveled when he returned.

    "All that good stuff, I'm never going to see it again," he told KGO on Monday.

    He said he and his wife tried their best to gather their most precious documents, photos and mementos, but it was impossible to grab everything in time.

    Mike Turpen, 38, said he was at a bar in the Glen Ellen area of Sonoma County when someone stormed in wearing a smoke mask and yelled, "Fire!" He said he drove through flames in his pickup truck with hopes of saving his home.

    "It was like Armageddon was on," Turpen told KGO. "Every branch of every tree was on fire."

    He said that his yard was scorched and still flaming in some spots but that he managed to keep his home from burning down.

    The causes of the fires are unknown.

    As firefighters continue to try snuffing the flames that have devastated thousands of acres, the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office is attending to up to "200 missing person reports" and using resources to "reunite people with their missing loved ones," it wrote in a Facebook post.

    Crum conceded that it could take a long time for communities to bounce back.
    "We have a lot of rebuilding here," Crum said.

    ABC News' M.L. Nestel, Rex Sakamoto and Marilyn Heck contributed to this report.

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    http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/cal...178018931.html

    Fires
    Live updates: 15 fire dead in Wine Country, Northern California

    October 10, 2017 6:29 AM

    11:45 a.m. The death toll from Northern California’s wildfires now stands at 15, officials say, with a total of nine confirmed fatalities in Sonoma County.

    The Sonoma County Sheriff’s Office said on its Twitter page that the number of dead had increased from seven to nine. Three others are dead in Mendocino County, two more in Napa and one in Yuba, officials say.

    In Sonoma County, more than 200 people have been reported missing, and 45 of those have since been located, officials said.

    The fires have burned 115,000 acres statewide and destroyed at least 2,000 homes and businesses, Cal Fire Ken Pimlott said Tuesday.

    More than 4,000 emergency workers have been deployed to help battle the fires, including a massive effort at McClellan Air Park, where a record 45 missions were flown Monday that dumped 266,000 acres of retardant on the blazes.

    Vice President Mike Pence visited the state’s emergency operations center at Mather Air Park Tuesday and announced that President Trump had approved the state’s request for federal assistance in the counties of Butte, Lake, Mendocino, Napa, Nevada, Sonoma, and Yuba..

    11:25 a.m. The White House has approved Gov. Jerry Brown’s request for federal assistance in recovering from the devastating Northern California wildfires.
    “The Federal Emergency Management Agency has responded promptly to assist California in fighting these terrible fires,” Brown said in a statement. “I appreciate the fast response from the president.”

    Emergency officials plan a briefing in Sacramento at 11:30 a.m. that will be livestreamed here: www.facebook.com/CaliforniaOES.

    10:45 a.m. Mendocino County Sheriff Thomas Allman confirmed Tuesday that three people have died in the Redwood complex of fires that has burned 21,000 acres and destroyed 50 homes.

    Allman did not release the identities but said at a press conference in Ukiah that two bodies have been recovered and officials were working to recover a third.

    “We have two confirmed dead, I think it’s fair to say we have a third confirmed death,” Allman said in a press conference that was livestreamed by the Mendocino Voice and posted to the sheriff’s Facebook page.

    Officials say the total of dead confirmed so far in the wildfires that hit Northern California early Monday is at 13.

    Allman said he had no estimate of how many people in the area have been reported missing. “There’s unknowns out there because of the people who have not checked in with their relatives,” he said, adding that fierce winds helped spread the blaze.
    “The winds were so strong that embers were going three quarters of a mile,” the sheriff said, adding that dozens of people suffered burns in the blaze.

    Related stories from The Sacramento Bee

    ‘Dice was really loaded’ for wildfires exploding in California, experts say

    Northern California fire fatalities at 13: Includes elderly couple in Napa, woman evacuating in Yuba.

    Northern California fire update: One dead in Yuba County blaze

    Northern California fires at a glance: See details, map


    “We had four major burn victims and over two dozen other burn victims that were taken to Ukiah Valley and Willits hospitals,” he said.

    Allman also confirmed that officials had arrested a suspected looter Monday who was found inside an unburned home.

    Allman said damage to cell towers and fiber-optic phone and computer lines has left officials using amateur ham radio operators to communicate with area hospitals. He added that he does not expect additional evacuations and said officials have had a “massive” rescue effort underway to rescue large animals from rural areas. Photos of the livestock and other animals will be posted on Facebook later Tuesday, he said.

    10:19 a.m. The Sacramento Metropolitan Air Quality Management District warned area residents Tuesday to restrict their outdoor activities Tuesday and Wednesday because of smoke flowing into the region from the various Northern California wildfires.

    District officials warned that even healthy people can be adversely affected by smoke and said children, the elderly and anyone with respiratory or heart conditions “should be particularly careful to avoid exposure.”

    The air quality index for Tuesday is expected to reach 184 and 153 on Wednesday, both of which are unhealthy, according to the district.

    Current air conditions are available at www.SpareTheAir.com/wildfire.cfm.

    9:30 a.m.: Napa County Sheriff John Robertson confirmed the deaths Tuesday of an elderly couple in the Silverado neighborhood and said the ability to locate people reported missing is being hampered by damage to power and phone lines.

    “The inability for us to communicate through social media and things like that, it’s really restricted our ability to communicate with the public,” the sheriff said at a morning press conference with Napa area officials.

    Robertson confirmed the deaths of an elderly couple, Charles Rippey, 100, and his wife, Sara, 99, who were unable to escape the flames as they swept into the Silverado neighborhood were they lived. To date, officials say 13 people have died in the north state fires, including a Yuba County woman who was killed just after midnight Monday when she drove her car off a road amid smoky conditions while trying to flee the fire north of Loma Rica.

    9:20 a.m. U.S. Rep. Mike Thompson, D-St. Helena, said he had spoken with FEMA Director Brock Long Monday night to seek federal aid for California and that “we expect them to be moving quickly.”

    “The entire California delegation will be pushing to get this response and these funds as soon as possible,” Thompson said.

    9:15 a.m. Tuesday: Officials in fire-ravaged areas have ordered curfews to reduce the likelihood of looting and at least one neighborhood has advised residents to boil water before drinking it.

    The Sonoma County sheriff has closed access to all fire zones in the county and warned that the order will be :”strictly enforced.”

    In Santa Rosa, officials issued a boil water notice to residents of the Fountaingrove area out of “an abundance of caution,” the city said.

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    One thing I have missed in all these pages, but was probably mentioned. Were there lightning storms that passed through this area when all these fires got started?

    Nevermind, it looks like I found AN answer:

    "Mr. Pimlott (director of the Department of Forestry and Fire Protection) said that the cause of the fires was still unclear and would be investigated. He pointed out that 95 percent of fires in the state were caused by humans in some manner and said that even a small spark, in windy, dry weather conditions like those on Sunday, could grow quickly into a large fire."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/u...nia-fires.html

    Also: http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/santa-...pread-so-fast/

    edited to add: I'm guessing people wouldn't be asking what caused this, if there were lots of lightening strikes at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by susie0884 View Post
    One thing I have missed in all these pages, but was probably mentioned. Were there lightning storms that passed through this area when all these fires got started?

    Nevermind, it looks like I found AN answer:

    "Mr. Pimlott (director of the Department of Forestry and Fire Protection) said that the cause of the fires was still unclear and would be investigated. He pointed out that 95 percent of fires in the state were caused by humans in some manner and said that even a small spark, in windy, dry weather conditions like those on Sunday, could grow quickly into a large fire."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/u...nia-fires.html

    Also: http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/santa-...pread-so-fast/

    edited to add: I'm guessing people wouldn't be asking what caused this, if there were lots of lightening strikes at the time.

    There's a speculation, conspiracy, the muslims did it, woo, thread started for discussing who started these fires.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    The causes of the fires are unknown.
    This means human caused. Which theoretically could be accident, carelessness, or arson.


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    From Housecarl's article:


    Thousands flee as wildfires ravage Northern California; at least 15 killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by susie0884 View Post
    One thing I have missed in all these pages, but was probably mentioned. Were there lightning storms that passed through this area when all these fires got started?

    Nevermind, it looks like I found AN answer:

    "Mr. Pimlott (director of the Department of Forestry and Fire Protection) said that the cause of the fires was still unclear and would be investigated. He pointed out that 95 percent of fires in the state were caused by humans in some manner and said that even a small spark, in windy, dry weather conditions like those on Sunday, could grow quickly into a large fire."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/u...nia-fires.html

    Also: http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/santa-...pread-so-fast/

    edited to add: I'm guessing people wouldn't be asking what caused this, if there were lots of lightening strikes at the time.
    If it was lightning, we would have heard that by now, and people living in the areas would have heard thunder and seen lightning. IF it was arson, the arsonists knew exactly what they were doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    There's a speculation, conspiracy, the muslims did it, woo, thread started for discussing who started these fires.
    Not woo. A news snip discussing the cause is relevant to the thread, and any comments thereon, as well.
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    Santa Rosa - 1500 buildings/homes burnt to the ground.
    250 people still missing.
    As Per CBS world news that's on the tube right now.
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    Jane Vandenburgh‏ @themonotonists 3m3 minutes ago

    #BREAKING: @CityofSantaRosa says #NunsFire is rapidly approaching Oakmont and all residents must evacuate now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Be Well View Post
    Not woo. A news snip discussing the cause is relevant to the thread, and any comments thereon, as well.
    who started it should be discussed in another thread so as to not take away the fact that the fires are still burning, people are still dying, etc. I don't give a damn who started the fire. that's for the LEO's to figure out and sitting here speculating does nothing to help those that just lost everything? I mean do you even care that 250 people are still missing, or is it more important to you to blame muslims or whoever for the fires?

    In reality some self important turd probably ignored the fire ban and just HAD to fire up his charcoal grill to grill that all important steak for dinner. But then he had to go to the bathroom only to return to find the entire neighborhood on fire!
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    who started it should be discussed in another thread so as to not take away the fact that the fires are still burning, people are still dying, etc. I don't give a damn who started the fire. that's for the LEO's to figure out and sitting here speculating does nothing to help those that just lost everything? I mean do you even care that 250 people are still missing, or is it more important to you to blame muslims or whoever for the fires?

    In reality some self important turd probably ignored the fire ban and just HAD to fire up his charcoal grill to grill that all important steak for dinner. But then he had to go to the bathroom only to return to find the entire neighborhood on fire!
    Lighten up, Francis.

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    That photo of the blocks of houses looks like Fort McMurray 2 years ago.......we didn't have anyone die except 2 in a car accident - but it seems that there aren't many exits for some of these people in the valleys - airlifting people off mountains must be terrifying......solitude has its price.
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    Well, I guess we'll never hash it out, as the "correct" thread for that discussion has fallen off the Main.

    About the same as claiming that speculations on Paddock's motive/role were inappropriate to the LV shooting thread. ...makes no sense it all to parse things out that way, but I'm fine with folks cluttering up this one squabbling about it, 'cause the cause IS important!

    Not to sound bitchy, but I really don't see the point. Just sounds like people are being told to shut up about it.
    ...whatever.

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    The family house is still standing as of this morning. However the house sits between the Tubbs Fire and the nuns fire. Tubbs came within a block of the house yesterday. Now hearing the nuns fire is moving fast and is within about 8 miles of the house. Been dealing with so much lately. This is just one more thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BinWa View Post
    The family house is still standing as of this morning. However the house sits between the Tubbs Fire and the nuns fire. Tubbs came within a block of the house yesterday. Now hearing the nuns fire is moving fast and is within about 8 miles of the house. Been dealing with so much lately. This is just one more thing.
    Are you still at the house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faroe View Post
    Well, I guess we'll never hash it out, as the "correct" thread for that discussion has fallen off the Main.

    About the same as claiming that speculations on Paddock's motive/role were inappropriate to the LV shooting thread. ...makes no sense it all to parse things out that way, but I'm fine with folks cluttering up this one squabbling about it, 'cause the cause IS important!

    Not to sound bitchy, but I really don't see the point. Just sounds like people are being told to shut up about it.
    ...whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    who started it should be discussed in another thread so as to not take away the fact that the fires are still burning, people are still dying, etc. I don't give a damn who started the fire. that's for the LEO's to figure out and sitting here speculating does nothing to help those that just lost everything? I mean do you even care that 250 people are still missing, or is it more important to you to blame muslims or whoever for the fires?

    In reality some self important turd probably ignored the fire ban and just HAD to fire up his charcoal grill to grill that all important steak for dinner. But then he had to go to the bathroom only to return to find the entire neighborhood on fire!
    I should have just posted on the other thread. Will take all discussion onto other thread. Multiple fires had multiple causes, not just one cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BinWa View Post
    The family house is still standing as of this morning. However the house sits between the Tubbs Fire and the nuns fire. Tubbs came within a block of the house yesterday. Now hearing the nuns fire is moving fast and is within about 8 miles of the house. Been dealing with so much lately. This is just one more thing.
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    Just talked to my Sister in Novato. Someone was seen lighting a fire behind her husband's work in San Rafael. It burned an acre, but was put out. No description beyond teenage male.

    They are packed full of refugees from surrounding communities in every church and e community building. They are on fire warning as it is, without the arson attempts. I can only imagine the hell of evacuation with so many extra there now.

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    Mapping the wildfires in Northern California

    There's too many pictures and maps to post here. There's one good pic of the same areas before and when the fire started. good info on how it got started so fast.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.42b286a7a1c0

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    Banking is totally a cluster mesas due to the fires in the north state due to loss of fiber optic lines.

    Cash is king.

    You are really in a work of hurt if you do not have cash.

    Debit, credit and ATM cards cannot be processed. As are checks.

    Auto deposits and payments cannot be made.

    Folks are upset and not understanding how wide spread the infrastructure is.

    Cell service and land lines are down in our area and we are a hundred miles nort of the fires.

    The loss of life is horrific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardou View Post
    Mapping the wildfires in Northern California

    There's too many pictures and maps to post here. There's one good pic of the same areas before and when the fire started. good info on how it got started so fast.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.42b286a7a1c0
    Wow, the satellite time lapse is shocking, you can see the flames as the fire spreads.

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    CA OES site on the incident: http://caloes.ca.gov/ICESite/Pages/O...nia-Fires.aspx

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    Packyderms wife... No. Nobody is there right now. It’s a home we all share to use for vacations etc after grandparents passed. So nobody was there at the time the neighborhood was evacuated on early Monday morning. The house still holds all the furniture and photos and decades of memories. Nothing was ever removed after the grandparents passed

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    Thank you Be Well

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    Think I saw this AM that there are 17 dead. Very bad indeed.

    I think the missing has also gone up, somewhat.

    I'm assuming that at least some of the "missing" is due to the inability to communicate. What with land lines and cell towers down. My hope is that is the reason for ALL the missing.

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    DH just got called to go fight fires in CA. I will try to find news and post here. I am very nervous about this.
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    Just heard that my DH's cousin and a friend both lost their homes in the fire.

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    There was a fire in Bakersfield that started yesterday. Air is very smoky today S. of Sacramento.

    They said yesterday that damage thusfar totaled around $83 billion. Some of the most expensive houses in the country attached to vineyards burned. With all the storms and previous fires in Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon and N. CA, I would imagine several insurance companies would be on the ropes.
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    Seen a few pictures that one can make out what use to be solar panels. Being California, wouldn't be surprised if those houses that had solar panels now being enviromantally hazards and needing special clean ups.

    Also today it cost twice as much to build residential homes than it did just 10 years ago, mostly due to insane energy standerds and mandated compliances. Maybe three times the cost than just 10 years ago.

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    #BREAKING: Update 670 people missing, 3,500 structures burned in Northern California wine country fires
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    NORTH BAY FIRES

    Northern California wine country fires: 670 missing, 3,500 structures burned

    Updated 16 mins ago

    SONOMA COUNTY, Calif. -- The danger is far from over in wine country with shifting flames triggering new evacuations. Sonoma County sheriff's officials said Wednesday that 670 people are missing, and 3,500 homes and businesses have been destroyed in the fires.

    The break firefighters got from calmer winds on Tuesday is over.

    There are now 17 people that have died in devastating fires; 11 of those are in Sonoma County alone. Nearly 88,000 acres have been burned in the six major fires, including the Tubbs Fire in Napa County which has grown to 30,000 acres. Approximately 3,500 structures have been destroyed statewide, including homes and businesses and several wineries.

    A wind advisory has been issued with gusts of more than 50 mph expected later today in the North Bay. The winds could down trees, trigger more power outages and pick up embers.

    Evacuations have expanded for the wildfires. All remaining areas of Calistoga evacuation orders expanded north of Grant Street. Residents are being advised to exit the city via the Silverado Trail South to Zinfandel lane then West to SR 29 south or exit the City via SR29 south.

    In Geyserville, the following areas are under a mandatory evacuation: Hwy 128 between 1922 Hwy 128 and the Russian River Nutter Rd, Sellers RD, River Rd, Fay Ranch Rd, Ridge Oaks Rd, Fox Ridge Rd, Vineyard Rd, Woodridge Rd, Deerpath Dr, Ram Hill Rd, Rockmouth Rd, Colony Rd, Lakewood Ln.

    In Sonoma County, officials issued mandatory evacuation orders for the Annadel Heights neighborhood. Evacuations have also been ordered for in Sonoma Valley for: Moon Mountain Road, Mission Way, London Way, Martin Road, Cavedale Road, and Adobe Way. Also, officials are recommending Agua Caliente residents along Hwy 12 between Agua Caliente Road and Madrone Road are ready to evacuate if necessary.

    Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency for Napa, Sonoma Solano, Yuba, Butte, Lake, Mendocino, Nevada and Orange counties due to the effects of fires. Brown also requested a Presidential Major Disaster Declaration to support the state and local response to the Northern California fires, which was approved Tuesday.

    The Governor's Office of Emergency Services has activated the State Operations Center in Mather, California to its highest level and is coordinating closely with other local, state and federal emergency response officials to address all emergency management needs. More information on state and federal disaster declarations can be found here.

    PHOTOS: Deadly fires burn in Napa, Calistoga areas

    The wildfires already rank among the five deadliest in California history, and officials expected the death toll to increase as the scope of destruction becomes clear. At least 100 people were injured during the blazes that started Sunday night. Sonoma County sheriff's officials said 110 missing people have been found, but 670 still remain missing.

    Seventeen wildfires continued to rage Tuesday across parts of seven counties. Fire crews and other resources were being rushed in from other parts of the state and Nevada.

    More than 240 members of the California National Guard helped ferry fuel to first responders because so many gas stations were without power. Guard members were also helping with medical evacuations and security at evacuation centers, said Maj. Gen. David Baldwin.

    VIDEO: Napa County officials give update on wildfires

    In addition to knocking out electricity, the blazes damaged or destroyed 77 cellular sites, disrupting communication services that officials were rushing to restore, said Emergency Operations Director Mark Ghilarducci.

    The fires that started Sunday night moved so quickly that thousands of people were forced to flee with only a few minutes of warning. Some did not get out in time. "They burned so quickly, there was not time to notify everybody. These fires came down in the neighborhoods before people realized the fires were occurring in many cases. It was very difficult," Pimlott said.

    Among the victims were 100-year-old Charles Rippey and his wife, Sara, who was 98. The couple was married for 75 years and lived at the Silverado Resort in Napa. "The only thing worse would have been if one survived without the other," their granddaughter, Ruby Gibney said.

    A thick, smoky haze cloaked much of Napa and Sonoma counties, where neighborhoods hit by the fires were completely leveled. Authorities warned residents not to return to their houses for safety reasons, citing the risk of exposed electrical and gas lines and unstable structures including trees.

    But many found it hard to stay away.

    IMPORTANT: 670 people are still listed as missing in Sonoma County. Officials hope some have been found but have just not yet been reported as found. If you know someone who was missing but no longer is please call the Sonoma County Emergency Operations Center at 707-565-3856

    In the Santa Rosa suburb known as Coffey Park, Robyn Pellegrini let out a cry of grief as she approached the smoldering ruins of the duplex she shared with her husband and their 6-year-old son. Daniel Pellegrini held his wife before they went searching for something they could salvage for their child.

    With bare hands, they sifted through the remains of the exterior wall, which had collapsed into dust inside the house and covered all the other debris in their boy's room. They found a stuffed animal - charred but still recognizable as a turtle. Robyn Pellegrini let out joyful gasps when they found pieces of his rock collection.

    A young boy across the street, whose home was spared, brought over one of his own stuffed animals to share.

    "You lose all your photos," said Tony Pellegrini, Daniel's father. "You feel like you lost a part of your life."

    Officials hoped cooler weather and lighter winds would help crews get a handle on the fires.

    "The weather has been working in our favor, but it doesn't mean it will stay that way," said Brad Alexander, a spokesman of the governor's Office of Emergency Services.

    In Washington, President Donald Trump said he spoke with Gov. Jerry Brown to "let him know that the federal government will stand with the people of California. And we will be there for you in this time of terrible tragedy and need."

    The government declared a disaster, which should give the state help putting out the flames.

    More than 400 miles away from the wine-making region, flames imperiled parts Orange County. Thousands of people were displaced by a wildfire that destroyed or damaged 24 structures, including homes. Hot, dry Santa Ana winds swept fire along brushy outskirts of Orange County suburbs and equestrian properties. More than a dozen schools were closed.

    PHOTOS: Canyon 2 Fire destroys homes, prompts evacuations in Orange County

    Firefighters work to extinguish flames consuming a home near Serrano Avenue in Anaheim Hills after a brush fire caught it ablaze.

    The blaze, which disrupted major commuter routes, spread over nearly a dozen square miles in less than 24 hours as a squadron of helicopters and airplanes bombarded it with water and retardant.

    At the northern end of the state, some of the largest blazes were in Napa and Sonoma counties, home to dozens of wineries that attract tourists from around the world. They sent smoke as far south as San Francisco, about 60 miles away.

    Sonoma County established a hotline to help families looking for missing loved ones. It's possible that many or most of the people reported missing are safe but simply cannot be reached because of the widespread loss of cellphone service and other communications.

    Much of the damage was in Santa Rosa, a far larger and more developed city than usually finds itself at the mercy of a wildfire. The city is home to 175,000 people, including both the wine-country wealthy and the working class.

    It was unusual for so many fires to take off at the same time. Other than the windy conditions that helped drive them all, there was no known connection between the blazes, and authorities have not cited a cause for any of them.

    IMPORTANT: If you are in need of resources, shelter, or assistance please click here

    The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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    DH just got called to go fight fires in CA. I will try to find news and post here. I am very nervous about this.
    Praying for you and your DH, BeWell!

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