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FASCISM The attack on the Confederate Statues is an ATTACK ON ALL VETERANS!!
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    The attack on the Confederate Statues is an ATTACK ON ALL VETERANS!!

    A buddy I served with just sent me this. Which would make the Antifa/BLM/revisionist/socialist arseholes attack on the Confederate Statues and tombstones etc., an ATTACK ON ALL AMERICAN VETERANS!!

    CivilWarVeterans.jpg
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    A civil war is the worst thing that can befall a country. What we faced in the Revolutionary War was nothing compared to the Civil War. Our civil war was the worst thing we endured, a bloodbath beyond measure. When the Civil War ended we patched together a country out of the remains, scarred and battered and bitter. It was an imperfect union, but it was all the family we had.

    80 years after the end of the Civil War, we fought World War II. The descendants of Union soldiers and the descendants of Confederate soldiers fought together in the greatest episode our nation ever faced. The travails of the Revolutionary War were nothing compared to what we did in World War II. By the time of World War two we were a single nation again. The scars were still present, the sutures were still raw, memories still hurt, but we were a nation.

    The descendants of Union and Confederate soldiers together are the threads of this country. There was courage and gallantry on both sides, and the gallantry was no less on the side that eventually lost the Civil War. That heritage of courage and gallantry served us well in World War II as we and other nations faced a foe that took all the fortitude we had. It was not Yankees that defeated Germany and Japan, it was Americans.

    It is contemptible to now rip those sutures apart for political gain. It is shameful to spit on the memory of brave and gallant soldiers from either side of the war that shaped our nation. It is particularly despicable to scorn the memory of those who gave their all for what turned out to be the losing side.

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    Haven't you heard? Veterans are NAZIS.
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    One of the things to come out of our Civil War was that other nations witnessing the wholesale carnage were severely warned never to engage us in a fight. I remember reading about a British Officer that was an official military liaison witnessing some of the most horrific battles of that conflict. In a message he sent back to his government he STRONGLY advised his superiors that they must NEVER get into a fight against the Americans! He related the horrific and vicious manner in which the two sides fought each other and warned that no outside enemy could hope to survive such a conflict against Americans. FWIW.
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Zero asked for his own civvy army, why not one for DT? That'd make things interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    Zero asked for his own civvy army, why not one for DT? That'd make things interesting.
    Donald already has his own special troops....they are called United States Marines.

    We don't need any more armies than we already have. We especially don't need or want any politicians to have their own private armies. That is how Hitler got started, remember? That whole Obuttholeo private civie army was a crackpot idea in the first place. The last thing we need in this country is a private Brown Shirts bunch of "F"tards running about. The BLM and Antifa crapheads are bad enough and need to be dealt with and shutdown permanently.
    We have done so much, with so little, for so long....We can now do anything, with nothing, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker View Post
    Zero asked for his own civvy army, why not one for DT? That'd make things interesting.
    His army is the one tearing down statues, ripping down confederate flags, and leading protests.

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    bw, that was said as well as I've ever seen. Thank you for your words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    A civil war is the worst thing that can befall a country. What we faced in the Revolutionary War was nothing compared to the Civil War. Our civil war was the worst thing we endured, a bloodbath beyond measure. When the Civil War ended we patched together a country out of the remains, scarred and battered and bitter. It was an imperfect union, but it was all the family we had.

    80 years after the end of the Civil War, we fought World War II. The descendants of Union soldiers and the descendants of Confederate soldiers fought together in the greatest episode our nation ever faced. The travails of the Revolutionary War were nothing compared to what we did in World War II. By the time of World War two we were a single nation again. The scars were still present, the sutures were still raw, memories still hurt, but we were a nation.

    The descendants of Union and Confederate soldiers together are the threads of this country. There was courage and gallantry on both sides, and the gallantry was no less on the side that eventually lost the Civil War. That heritage of courage and gallantry served us well in World War II as we and other nations faced a foe that took all the fortitude we had. It was not Yankees that defeated Germany and Japan, it was Americans.

    It is contemptible to now rip those sutures apart for political gain. It is shameful to spit on the memory of brave and gallant soldiers from either side of the war that shaped our nation. It is particularly despicable to scorn the memory of those who gave their all for what turned out to be the losing side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMan View Post
    Donald already has his own special troops....they are called United States Marines.

    We don't need any more armies than we already have. We especially don't need or want any politicians to have their own private armies. That is how Hitler got started, remember? That whole Obuttholeo private civie army was a crackpot idea in the first place. The last thing we need in this country is a private Brown Shirts bunch of "F"tards running about. The BLM and Antifa crapheads are bad enough and need to be dealt with and shutdown permanently.

    The BLM and Antifa crapheads are the LEFT'S brownshirts.

    The RIGHT - badly - needs somebody to SHUT them down - with EXTREME prejudice.

    And THEIR media - needs to be shut down as well.

    Arrest them - kill them - I do not care.

    I don't agree with you - if we don't get some type of police / military - we are going to lose Trump.

    If we lose Trump - the game is over - IMO.

    One of the reason's I supported Trump - was his ability - to think outside of the box - sadly I'm not seeing much of that.

    Unfortunately we are watching a race to see whether he does something - VERY drastic - or he is assassinated.

    I vote drastic.

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    I am not for ripping down statues or monuments, but some of you need to read what General Robert E Lee actually thought about erecting Confederate statues and memorial and even the Confederate Flag.

    Far better would have been to erect monuments that revered the fallen on both sides that praised the bravery of both the blue and the gray with each monument.
    Instead we continue to advocate for one side against the other, a hundred and fifty years after the war ended.

    Lee didnt want to be buried in his confederate uniform and he and his family didn't want former confederate soldiers to parade in their confederate uniforms or carry the confederate flag at his funeral.
    In the years after the war he stated that it was time for southerners to furl the flag and put it away in their attics.
    He also didn't want any confederate monuments erected, even to himself. He didn't want the hate of each side towards the other to continue.

    And here we are 150 years later.


    All the above being said, It is important to realize that all the attacks on the confederate flag and monuments, really had nothing to do with them.
    The left are not upset by the confederate flag or statues of Robert E Lee. They are upset and want to destroy everything they perceive as conservative.
    That is why I oppose allowing the radicals and antifa and BLM tear then down. They are really trying to tear conservatism and anything American down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coulter View Post
    The BLM and Antifa crapheads are the LEFT'S brownshirts.

    The RIGHT - badly - needs somebody to SHUT them down - with EXTREME prejudice.

    And THEIR media - needs to be shut down as well.

    Arrest them - kill them - I do not care.

    I don't agree with you - if we don't get some type of police / military - we are going to lose Trump.

    If we lose Trump - the game is over - IMO.

    One of the reason's I supported Trump - was his ability - to think outside of the box - sadly I'm not seeing much of that.

    Unfortunately we are watching a race to see whether he does something - VERY drastic - or he is assassinated.

    I vote drastic.
    AGREE 100 percent

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
    All the above being said, It is important to realize that all the attacks on the confederate flag and monuments, really had nothing to do with them.
    The left are not upset by the confederate flag or statues of Robert E Lee. They are upset and want to destroy everything they perceive as conservative.
    That is why I oppose allowing the radicals and antifa and BLM tear then down. They are really trying to tear conservatism and anything American down
    .
    I could not agree more.

    From my stand point I'll go a step further - they also want to destroy us as well.

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    The leftzis need to be living in terror of we the people.
    "Why not stay awake now? Who wants to sleep now with so much happening, so much to see? Life used to be dull you see...and you don't have to sleep alone, you don't even have to sleep at all; and so, all you have to do is show the stick to the dog now and then and say, 'Thank God for nothing.'"

    Drusilla, "The UNVANQUISHED. William Faulkner

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    Just keep reminding them they are tearing down the statues of Democrat heros. And soon there will be none left.
    Wish someone would tear down a statue of LBJ or Jimmy Carter
    Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than a pesky raven?
    It is difficult to stand idly by and watch the vacuum of ignorance being filled with lies

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    Donald Trump has his army, in waiting, at this very minute. If he ever calls them out, there will be a movement never before seen in America, with a mission that will not be denied.

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    General Washington wanted to be remembered as a Planter

    But

    all monuments belong to me and every other citizen in the world
    It's not debatable


    Don't like General Lee then put Henrietta Tubman beside him
    She also marched her troops northbound
    So did MLK
    Don't destroy Gen Lee and expect me to accept Sally Ride or Rosa Parks


    Monuments are being destroyed by destructive communist party agitators just for destructions sake
    These are not and never will be civil people
    ISIS destroys monuments too

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Susan View Post
    General Washington wanted to be remembered as a Planter

    But

    all monuments belong to me and every other citizen in the world
    It's not debatable


    Don't like General Lee then put Henrietta Tubman beside him
    She also marched her troops northbound
    So did MLK
    Don't destroy Gen Lee and expect me to accept Sally Ride or Rosa Parks


    Monuments are being destroyed by destructive communist party agitators just for destructions sake
    These are not and never will be civil people
    ISIS destroys monuments too
    Exactly

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    Update on Duke removal of General Lee

    http://amp.heraldsun.com/news/local/...188129509.html

    Duke removed Robert E. Lee from Duke Chapel. Could Jefferson, Martin Luther be next?

    BY RAY GRONBERG
    rgronberg@heraldsun.com
    DECEMBER 05, 2017

    DURHAM
    Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee’s presence among six statues adorning the entrance to Duke Chapel may have commanded all the attention up to now, but a Duke University task force says it’s time to consider replacing the other five too.

    The advice, which Duke’s Commission on Memory and History acknowledged went beyond its charge, appears at the end of the report it gave university President Vince Price about what to do with the space the Lee statue occupied until its removal in August.

    The panel, Price and Duke trustees all agreed Duke should take a year to decide what to do with the vacancy, but a lot of people the commission talked to want to replace Lee with a civil-rights icon such as Martin Luther King Jr. or Durham’s Pauli Murray.

    Duke now has to plan the follow-up work on Lee’s spot, an effort that commission member and Vice President for Public Affairs and Government Relations Michael Schoenfeld said should “take shape very early in the new year” under Price’s direction.


    It’s less clear what will happen with what Schoenfeld called the panel’s “observation” about the other five statues. They depict 15th-century Dominican friar Girolamo Savonarola, Reformation leader Martin Luther, English theologian John Wycliffe, former U.S. President Thomas Jefferson and Southern poet Sidney Lanier.

    For now, it remains “something the president and the university leadership will review,” Schoenfeld said.

    Price ordered the removal of the Lee statue amid the nationwide protests erupted after a clash over another of the Confederate army leader in Charlottesville, Virginia, left one protester dead.

    The events in Virginia had immediate repercussions in Durham, where protesters pulled down a Confederate memorial outside the county office building on East Main Street. The Lee statue at Duke Chapel was vandalized a few days later, with someone using a hammer or other tool to knock off bits of Lee’s face. Price ordered its overnight removal that weekend.

    While there’s been no similar protest, incident or complaint about the other five statues, the committee suggested that officials consider replacing them because of a quirk of their history, namely that they were placed there toward the end of the chapel’s construction “without any guidance from the Duke community.”

    As far as university chroniclers can tell, the display at the portal wasn’t something chapel architect Julian Abele specified in any detail in the blueprints for the building.


    A LONGER TERM, DELIBERATIVE, INCLUSIVE PROCESS MAY LEAD US TO SEE THIS MOMENT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELECT A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS FOR THE CHAPEL PORTAL WHO TRULY REFLECT THIS UNIVERSITY AND TO HONOR THOSE AS YET UNRECOGNIZED WHO HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON MAKING DUKE WHAT IT IS TODAY.

    Duke Commission on Memory and History

    Stone carver John Donnelly, who didn’t get guidance from Abele’s boss, architect Horace Trumbauer, wound up turning to a professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville – peer and competitor to Duke – for advice on what images might be appropriate to adorn the entrance to a Methodist chapel.

    The six statues, three to each side of the doors, were the result.

    Joining them elsewhere on the entry are images of four prominent Methodists, denomination founder John Wesley among them, whose continued presence isn’t in question.

    With one statue in line for replacement, it would be “a missed opportunity” if university leaders didn’t think about the other five, the commission said in its final report to Price.

    “A longer term, deliberative, inclusive process may lead us to see this moment as an opportunity to select a group of individuals for the chapel portal who truly reflect this university and to honor those as yet unrecognized who have had an impact on making Duke what it is today,” it said.

    It also said the remaining five statues “include depictions of some individuals who may not be aligned with the mission and highest values of this university,” without elaborating.

    Elsewhere in the report, the panel endorsed a Duke-developed procedure for handling future requests that the university reconsider a building name or memorial.

    Crucially, it makes the secretary to the campus trustees, rather than Duke’s president, the initial gatekeeper and screener of such requests. If the secretary – currently Richard Riddell, a theater-studies expert who’s been at Duke since 1992 – decides it has merit, it’ll go to the president.

    The choice to make the secretary “the entry point for the process” came because he or she “works very closely with the president and the Board of Trustees,” and matters like building names “are within the purview of both the president and the Board of Trustees,” Schoenfeld said.

    Commission members, campus officials and trustees agreed that when it comes to weighing such requests, the university should keep an eye on history and avoid doing anything to “erase” it.

    But that implies more that Duke should carefully study and document the history of any naming or memorial before acting more than it does that should simply reject requests to change them. The commission specified that both the “past intent and present effect” of such honors matter, and that campus symbols “should align in totality with Duke’s highest aspirations.”

    Ultimately, “we must make statements about who we are, rather than who we were,” the report said.

    Ray Gronberg: 919-419-6648, @rcgronberg

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    Ultimately, “we must make statements about who we are, rather than who we were,” the report said.
    In that case, might I suggest a huge sculpture of a vagina, to make that statement about "who you are".
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