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ALERT The Winds of War Blow in Korea and The Far East
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  1. #3721
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/kim-jo...ear-button-act
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    Kim Jong Un’s Nice Guy (With a Nuclear Button) Act
    The North Korean dictator is reaching out to the South ahead of the PyeongChang Winter Olympics—which is always a bad sign on the Korean Peninsula.

    Gordon G. Chang
    01.01.18 10:16 PM ET

    In his annual televised New Year’s address, Kim Jong Un said “a nuclear button is always on my desk,” “the entire United States is within range of our nuclear weapons,” and he’s willing to send athletes to South Korea for the PyeongChang Winter Olympics next month.

    “The year 2018 is a significant year for both the North and the South, with the North marking the 70th anniversary of its birth and the South hosting the Winter Olympics,” Kim was quoted as saying. “We should melt the frozen North-South relations, thus adorning this meaningful year as a year to be specially recorded in the history of the nation.”

    Choe Sang-Hun of The New York Times writes that the address represents “a dramatic shift in tone and policy.”

    Shift in tone? Yes. Shift in policy? No.

    Pyongyang’s policy has been remarkably consistent from one decade to the next. Kim’s speech on New Year’s Day may be, as Bloomberg Politics declared, “the most promising peace overture from North Korea since President Donald Trump took office,” but the address is also consistent with the Kim family’s 70-year-old attempt to subjugate the other Korea, the one governed from Seoul.

    In other words, Kim’s address only marks the beginning of an oft-seen phase of his family’s established cycle of troublemaking.

    And as Lee Sung-Yoon of Tufts Fletcher School suggested in comments to The Daily Beast, what follows this new phase could be ominous.

    Kim, in his New Year’s address, reached out to South Korean President Moon Jae-in, the so-called progressive who has been looking, from the moment of his inauguration in May of last year, to establish relations with Pyongyang, engage Beijing, and move away from Washington.

    Up to now, Moon has been mostly blocked by two forces. First, his American ally, President Trump, has worked hard to cut off cash to Kim’s regime and has accordingly boxed Moon in. Second, the North Korean supremo has rebuffed Moon’s generous overtures.

    Monday’s New Year’s address, therefore, represented Kim’s first real opening to Moon. The concern is that the over-eager South Korean leader will now begin pouring cash into Kim’s coffers, undercutting American and international efforts to starve his regime.

    As Seoul’s Institute for National Security Strategy suggests, the North might require the South, as a condition to Pyongyang participating in next month’s Olympics, to remove sanctions, resume inter-Korean projects, and supply assistance.

    Moreover, Kim undoubtedly has even bigger ambitions. By making Washington look intransigent, he hopes to win even greater support from Moscow and Beijing. And his ultimate goal is to break the seven-decade-old U.S.-South Korea alliance, get 28,500 American troops off the peninsula, and intimidate South Koreans into permanently accepting his rule.

    “Inconceivable as it is to most Americans, Pyongyang actually sees itself as the party that wields the carrot and stick,” the Fletcher School’s Lee said. “It knows when to come down the escalation ladder, and, after a banner ballistic year in 2017, Kim has nothing to lose by sending athletes to the South and giving wind to the message by Seoul, Beijing, and Moscow that the U.S. should deescalate and give concessions to Pyongyang.”

    It looks like Kim changed tactics at just the right moment. “After getting nowhere with the Americans, North Korea is now trying to start talks with South Korea,” Yang Moo-jin of the University of North Korean Studies told The New York Times.

    “Seoul will bite,” Lee predicted. And it appears he’s right. Park Soo-hyun, Moon’s spokesman, has already given a favorable response to Kim’s address. Lee Hee-beom, president of the PyeongChang organizing committee, likened North Korea’s willingness to participate in the Games to “a gift on New Year’s Day.”

    Gift? Call Kim’s present a Trojan horse.

    “Pyongyang’s peace offensives are usually preludes to provocations,” Lee pointed out.

    As he told me, the North fired artillery into the South only days after three top North Korean officials attended the closing ceremony of the Asian Games in Incheon in 2014. Moreover, the North in 2010 killed 50 South Koreans in two deadly incidents that closely followed North Korean overtures. The cycle goes back to the start of the Korean War: Regime founder Kim Il Sung offered to start talks with Seoul just before he invaded in June 1950.

    Why send the South Koreans a Trojan horse now? This time, sanctions, imposed by both the U.N. Security Council and the Trump administration, are beginning to bite, so the stakes are high for the Kim family.

    Junior officials, members of the regime’s favored class, are no longer getting rations from their special distribution channels, for instance. The regime is now requiring an acceleration in “loyalty payments,” a sign of severe cash flow problems.

    Even privileged soldiers serving in the most sensitive areas look malnourished. The sergeant who defected on Nov. 13 through the Joint Security Area in the Demilitarized Zone had, in addition to parasites, uncooked kernels of corn in his digestive tract, a sign he had been scrounging for food just before his dramatic escape to South Korea.

    The Kimster, therefore, could be just this side of desperate, so we shouldn’t be surprised he is switching tactics now. And if Seoul takes the bait—lets in this particular Trojan horse—his next provocation could be one history remembers.

  2. #3722
    Yep, SK is biting.


    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news...007051315.html
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    (LEAD) S. Korea's presidential office hails North's proposal on PyeongChang delegation
    2018/01/01 17:05

    SEOUL, Jan. 1 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's presidential office welcomed Monday's proposal by North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to send a delegation to the upcoming PyeongChang Olympics slated for next month.

    "We welcome that Kim expressed willingness to send a delegation and proposed talks as he acknowledged the need for improvement in inter-Korean ties," Cheong Wa Dae spokesman Park Soo-hyun told a press briefing. "The successful launch of the games will contribute to stability not only on the Korean Peninsula but also in East Asia and the rest of the world."

    In a televised message earlier, Kim said he could send a delegation to the games and is open to talks with Seoul. But he also made it clear that his country would not give up its nuclear and missile programs, and he claimed that a "nuclear button" is always on his desk.

    Cheong Wa Dae stressed that it has always intended to hold talks with the North regardless of "time, place or manner" so long as such a meeting can help restore frayed relations and improve overall stability in the region.

    "We hope to sit together (with the North) as concerned parties to find a solution to enhance stability on the peninsula while engaging with the international community in resolving the nuclear issue," the office said.

  3. #3723
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/w...ea-and-us.html
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    News Analysis
    Kim Jong-un’s Overture Could Drive a Wedge Between South Korea and the U.S.
    By Choe Sang-Hun and David E. Sanger
    Jan. 1, 2018

    SEOUL, South Korea — Beyond a New Year’s declaration by North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, that he would move to the mass-production of nuclear weapons and intercontinental missiles in 2018 lies a canny new strategy to initiate direct talks with South Korea in the hope of driving a wedge into its seven-decade alliance with the United States.

    Mr. Kim, perhaps sensing the simmering tension between President Trump and President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, called for an urgent dialogue between the two Koreas before the opening of the Winter Olympics in the South next month.

    The strained relationship between the allies has been playing out for months, as Mr. Moon, a liberal, argued for economic and diplomatic openings with the North, even as Mr. Trump has worked hard to squeeze the North with increasingly punishing sanctions. Mr. Moon also angered Mr. Trump and his aides in recent months by suggesting he holds what he called a veto over any American pre-emptive military action against the North’s nuclear program.

    Until now Mr. Kim has largely ignored Mr. Moon, whom the North Korean media has portrayed as a spineless lackey of the United States. But the dramatic shift in tone and policy, toward bilateral talks between the two Koreas, suggests that Mr. Kim sees an opportunity to develop and accentuate the split between Mr. Moon and Mr. Trump, betting that the United States will be unable to mount greater pressure on the North if it does not have South Korean acquiescence.

    The gambit may work. Hours after Mr. Kim’s speech, Mr. Moon’s office welcomed the North’s proposal, in a way that could further aggravate tensions with the United States.

    “We have already expressed our willingness to engage in a dialogue with North Korea at any time, in any place and in any format, as long as both sides can discuss restoring their relations and peace on the Korean Peninsula,” said a presidential spokesman, Park Soo-hyun.

    The statement emphasized the roles of the two Koreas in resolving the nuclear crisis. President Trump, in contrast, has pursued a tougher approach, saying there can be no talks without signs that the North is giving up its nuclear and missile testing, and without an understanding that the ultimate goal of any negotiations is a complete, verifiable dismantlement of the North’s nuclear capability.

    “The timing of this overture, combined with his newly declared capability to strike the United States, is shifting the calculus,’’ said Robert Litwak, the author of “Preventing North Korea’s Nuclear Breakout,’’ and a scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars. “Kim sees a rare chance here to take the side of the South Koreans, against President Trump.”

    Mr. Kim may be partly motivated by an intense need to roll back sanctions that, by all accounts, have begun to bite.

    As part of the overture, Mr. Kim also agreed to a request by Mr. Moon to send a North Korean delegation to the Winter Olympics. The South Korean president is betting that the North is far less likely to disrupt the Olympics, with missile launchings or an act of terrorism, if North Korean athletes are competing.

    The diplomatic tug-of-war comes amid a backdrop of increasing fears over North Korea’s nuclear arsenal. Over the past year, the North made such fast technological advances that it says it can now strike the East Coast of the United States with a missile. The North has yet to demonstrate a key component of its nuclear threat — the ability to build a warhead that can withstand the heat and stresses of re-entering the atmosphere — but there is little dispute that it is getting much closer to such a capability.

    The threat is considered strong enough by the administration that Mr. Trump has hinted at the possibility of a pre-emptive strike as a last resort.

    That type of thinking — as well as fiery rhetoric from both Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim — has shaken South Korea, which would be expected to be on the front line of a war. The advances have also led the United States to push for tougher sanctions than before, and to close the types of loopholes Mr. Trump’s predecessors were more likely to overlook.

    Despite the changes in the North’s nuclear capabilities, Mr. Kim’s New Year’s statement was similar to last year’s: The North’s nuclear program is unstoppable, and Mr. Trump should simply learn to accept it.

    This time Mr. Kim described plans for “mass producing nuclear warheads and ballistic missiles for operational deployment” this year. While it is unclear what “mass producing’’ means in this context, American estimates of Mr. Kim’s arsenal range from 20 to 60 weapons; over the next few years that could easily double or triple, experts say, to an arsenal similar to Britain’s or France’s.

    Those same officials, however, dismissed Mr. Kim’s comment that he now has a “nuclear button” on his desk as a rhetorical flourish. Currently, Mr. Kim cannot launch a weapon in seconds, as his declaration seemed intended to suggest. All of the tests he has conducted of intercontinental ballistic missiles have involved liquid-fuel weapons that take hours, sometimes days, to prepare for a launching.

    The overture to the South came just days after Washington rallied its allies and rivals in the United Nations to support another round of tough sanctions against North Korea.

    Even before that China had drastically cut back on direct shipments of oil and refined petroleum products that go through its pipeline to North Korea, American officials say, and there are reports of fuel shortages. Gas prices have more than doubled in the past year.

    As Washington has campaigned for North Korea’s isolation, a number of nations — including Mexico, Peru, Kuwait, Myanmar, Spain, Italy and Germany — have recently expelled North Korean ambassadors or reduced the number of North Korean diplomats in their countries. And nations like the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar have also begun phasing out North Korean workers toiling in construction sites there to earn badly needed cash for the North Korean government.

    Mr. Moon officially supports the enforcement of United Nations sanctions as a tool to bring the North to nuclear disarmament talks. In recent weeks, his government has seized two oil tankers on the suspicion that they were used in violation of sanctions to smuggle refined petroleum products into North Korea through ship-to-ship transfers on the high seas.

    But Mr. Moon also agrees with China and Russia that talks are needed to resolve the nuclear crisis. Mr. Kim’s sudden peace overture on Monday will probably encourage both Russia and China to renew their calls for some kind of “freeze for freeze” — a freeze on North Korean tests in return for a freeze on all American-South Korean military exercises. Presumably, under that situation sanctions would begin to ease.

    “After getting nowhere with the Americans, North Korea is now trying to start talks with South Korea first and then use that as a channel to start dialogue with the United States,” said Yang Moo-jin, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul, who considered the North’s overture a positive development for easing tensions.

    The big question now is whether Mr. Kim’s gamble will pay off. Hard-liners in South Korea, and some Trump administration officials, say they fear that if dialogue on the Korean Peninsula creates a temporary reprieve from tensions, the enforcement of sanctions could also be relaxed. Officials in the Moon administration argue that they are acutely aware of the North’s strategy and that they closely coordinate their moves with Washington.

    Still, for Mr. Moon, talks between the Koreas would provide a badly needed respite after a year in which Mr. Kim and Mr. Trump regularly exchanged threats of war.

    Increasingly anxious over a possible armed conflict, Mr. Moon seeks to create a lull in the nuclear standoff during the Olympics and use its momentum to start talks with North Korea. Such talks might eventually lead to broader negotiations in which the United States, China and Russia could offer economic and diplomatic incentives to the North in return for the freeze in testing.

    And that is where the breach between South Korea and the United States could become a chasm.

    In any future talks North Korea would be expected to seek major concessions, like the easing of sanctions and a reduction of the American military presence on the Korean Peninsula. The North would then probably try to force Washington to accept a compromise by offering to freeze its nuclear and missile tests, but not give up the weaponry. Or, as in the past, North Korea could use the talks to lessen the impact of sanctions without any intention of ending its nuclear program.

    That would essentially freeze a status quo that Mr. Trump has declared is intolerable.

  4. #3724
    I would be leary of a delegation of NK "athletes" attending the Olympics in SK. Talk about a Trojan Horse!

  5. #3725
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinecone View Post
    I would be leary of a delegation of NK "athletes" attending the Olympics in SK. Talk about a Trojan Horse!
    I was thinking "what a great way to try to stall off a US or Japanese led attack?" gives them more time to get more ducks in a row, and costs them almost nothing.
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  6. #3726
    NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 · 3h3 hours ago

    Secret Document Reveals China Covertly Offering Missiles, Increased Aid to North Korea

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    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
    NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 · 3h3 hours ago

    Secret Document Reveals China Covertly Offering Missiles, Increased Aid to North Korea
    "Casus belli" anyone?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
    NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 · 3h3 hours ago

    Secret Document Reveals China Covertly Offering Missiles, Increased Aid to North Korea
    Must not be a very "secret" Document if we are finding out about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinecone View Post
    I would be leary of a delegation of NK "athletes" attending the Olympics in SK. Talk about a Trojan Horse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Housecarl View Post
    "Casus belli" anyone?....
    I second . . .
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  11. #3731
    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
    NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 · 3h3 hours ago

    Secret Document Reveals China Covertly Offering Missiles, Increased Aid to North Korea

    I'm not sure you are aware of it, but most of these provocative tweets have the article they are drawing the headline from right below them. I like to read the article, because, as in this case, the article is completely different than the headline makes it seem. If it's not too much trouble, can posters who are posting tweets like this also post the article or if you're on a tablet and it's too hard to cut and paste the article, can you post the link to the article so that it can be read and posted in full? It doesn't take too much effort to hunt it down on my end, but there are a lot of skimmers to the thread that may not make the effort and then have the wrong idea about what is really going on. Like - IN THIS CASE!!!! thanks! (see this link to see the article, I'll also post a screengrab with arrows to show how to get to the article itself). Article to follow in next post.

    https://twitter.com/BuckTurgidson79/...02959430733824
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  12. #3732
    See how the red bolded text in the headline completely changes the story? That's why I'm not a big fan of tweets. It's not the best deal China can make, but they aren't our lapdog, and they were trying to make a deal they thought would prevent nuclear war in their backyard. I do not see this as a casus belli - I did from the tweet, but not from the article.


    http://freebeacon.com/national-secur...d-north-korea/
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    Secret Document Reveals China Covertly Offering Missiles, Increased Aid to North Korea
    Party directive warns another nuclear test could lead to war and promises aid boost in exchange for testing ban

    BY: Bill Gertz
    January 2, 2018 5:00 am

    China's Communist Party adopted a secret plan in September to bolster the North Korean government with increased aid and military support, including new missiles, if Pyongyang halts further nuclear tests, according to an internal party document.

    The document, labeled "top secret" and dated Sept. 15—12 days after North Korea's latest underground nuclear blast—outlines China's plan for dealing with the North Korean nuclear issue. It states China will allow North Korea to keep its current arsenal of nuclear weapons, contrary to Beijing's public stance that it seeks a denuclearized Korean peninsula.

    Chinese leaders also agreed to offer new assurances that the North Korean government will not be allowed to collapse, and that Beijing plans to apply sanctions "symbolically" to avoid punishing the regime of leader Kim Jong Un under a recent U.N. resolution requiring a halt to oil and gas shipments into North Korea.

    A copy of the four-page Chinese-language document was obtained by the Washington Free Beacon from a person who once had ties to the Chinese intelligence and security communities. An English translation can be found here.

    CIA spokesmen had no immediate comment on the document that could not be independently verified.

    A Chinese Embassy spokesman did not return emails seeking comment.

    Disclosure of the document comes amid reports China is continuing to send oil to North Korea in violation of United Nations sanctions, prompting criticism from President Trump. Trump tweeted last week that China was caught "red handed" allowing oil shipments to North Korea.

    "There will never be a friendly solution to the North Korean problem if this continues to happen," the president stated on Dec. 28.

    Release of the classified internal document is unusual since China's communist system imposes strict secrecy on all party policies. Exposure of the secret Central Committee directive could indicate high-level opposition within the party to current supreme leader Xi Jinping, who has consolidated more power than any leader since Mao Zedong.

    China: Pressure on North Korea won't work

    China's leaders, according to the document, concluded that international pressure will not force North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, estimated to be at least 20 warheads.

    As a result, the Central Committee of the party directed its International Liaison Department, the organ in charge of communicating with foreign political parties, to inform Pyongyang of China's continued backing.

    The head of the Liaison Department, Song Tao, visited Pyongyang Nov. 17 and met with senior North Korean officials. North Korean state media did not provide details of the talks, other than to say issues of mutual concern were discussed.

    The directive appears written in response to the United Nations Security Council resolution passed after the Sept. 3 North Korean nuclear test. Included among the resolution's new sanctions are restrictions on oil and gas transfers, including a ban on transferring oil between ships in open ocean waters.

    On the U.N. requirement to shut down oil and gas transfers from China to North Korea, the party document said after North Korean businesses in China will be closed under the terms of the latest U.N. resolution, "our country will not for the moment restrict Korea from entrusting qualified Chinese agencies from trade with Korea or conducting related trade activities via third countries (region)."

    A directive ordered the Liaison Department to offer a promised increase in aid for "daily life and infrastructure building" and a one-time increase in funds for North Korea of 15 percent for 2018. Chinese aid will be then be increased annually from 2019 through 2023 by "no less than 10 percent over the previous year."

    The Chinese also promised the North Koreans that in response to calls to suspend all banking business with North Korea that the financial ban will "only apply to state-owned banks controlled by the central government and some regional banks."

    On military support, the document reveals that China is offering North Korean "defensive military construction" and "high level military science and technology."

    The weaponry will include "more advanced mid- and short-range ballistic missiles, cluster munitions, etc.," the document said.

    "Your department should at the same time seriously warn the Korean authority not to overdo things on the nuclear issue," the document says.

    "Currently, there is no issue for our country to forcefully ask Korea to immediately and completely give up its nuclear weapons. Instead, we ask Korea to maintain restraint and after some years when the conditions are ripe, to apply gradual reforms and eventually meet the requirement of denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula."

    Beijing to warn Kim of ‘punitive measures'

    The document then directs the Liaison Department to warn that if North Korea insists on acting rashly, further punitive measures will be imposed on senior North Korean leaders and their family members.

    The directive lists "requirements" for the Liaison Department to pursue, including informing the North Koreans of China's "determination to protect the Korean government on behalf of the Central Committee of CPC."

    Liaison officials also were tasked with informing the North Koreans of promises of support and aid in exchange for Pyongyang making "substantial compromises on its nuclear issues."

    "According to the current deployment of world forces and the geographic position of the Korean Peninsula, to prevent the collapse of the Korean government and the possible direct military confrontation with western hostile forces led by the United States on the Korean Peninsula caused by these issues, our country, Russia, and other countries will have to resort to all the effective measures such as diplomatic mediation and military diversion to firmly ensure the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and to prevent ‘chaos and war,' which is also the common position held firmly by our country, Russia, and others," the report says.

    The document states that if the United States "rushes to war" against North Korea, the conflict would have a huge impact on the political and economic state of the region and the world.

    "At such a time, the security of Japan and (South) Korea can be hardly taken care of, especially the security of Seoul, the (South) Korean capital," the document says.

    "Also, our country, Russia, and others will absolutely not look on the chaotic situation on the Korean Peninsula without taking any action."

    The document states that China believes that "theoretically" western powers will not use military force to overthrow the Kim Jong Un regime to solve the nuclear issue.

    "However, international provocations by Korea via repeatedly conducting nuclear tests has imposed huge international pressure on our country that is continuously accumulating and becoming unbearably heavy," the document says.
    ‘Stern warning' and ‘assurances'

    The deal outlined in the document to be communicated to Pyongyang includes a "stern warning" combined with "related assurances to Korea at the same time."

    "That is, currently Korea will not have to immediately give up its nuclear weapons, that so long as Korea promises not to continue conducting new nuclear tests and immediately puts those promises into action, our country will immediately increase economic, trade, and military assistance to Korea, and will add or continue providing the following benefits," the report states.

    The first item then lists greatly increasing trade with North Korea to keep the government operating and to raise the living standard of North Koreans.

    "As for products under international sanctions such as crude oil products (except for the related products clearly defined as related to nuclear tests), under the condition of fully ensuring domestic demand of Korea, we will only make a symbolic handling or punishment," the Party document said.

    Past document leaks have included party documents on decision making related to the 1989 military crackdown on unarmed protesters in Beijing's Tiananmen Square published in the 2001 book The Tiananmen Paper.

    A more recent disclosure in October was the release of an internal Communist Party document authorizing the Ministry of State Security, China's civilian spy service, to dispatch 27 intelligence officers to the United States to "crush hostile forces." That document was made public by exiled Chinese businessman-turned-dissident Guo Wengui.

    Orville Schell, a China specialist who worked on the Tiananmen Papers, said he could not authenticate the document but said it has "an air of veracity."

    "The language in Chinese is spot on party-speak, and the logic of the argument would appear to be congruent with the current line and what is happening," said Schell, director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations at the Asia Society in New York.

    Columbia University Professor Andrew Nathan also could not authenticate the document but said it looks genuine. "The typeface, layout, header, seal, vocabulary, and diction are all those of an official inner party document," said Nathan who also worked on the Tiananmen papers.

    Nathan said the document appeared to be a directive for International Liaison Department director Song Tao's mission to Pyongyang two months later, and Beijing's attempt to press North Korea to halt nuclear tests using a combination of incentives and warnings.

    The Chinese language version uses some terms that reveal China's contempt for North Korea, such as the term "ruling authorities" for the Kim regime, something Nathan said is an "unfriendly" tone.

    Former State Department intelligence official John Tkacik, a China affairs specialist, said the document appears genuine and if confirmed as authentic would represent "a bombshell" disclosure.

    Tkacik told the Free Beacon the document, may be "evidence that China has no real commitment to pressuring North Korea to give up nuclear weapons, and indeed sees North Korean nuclear arms as an additional strategic threat to the United States, one that China can claim no influence over."

    "Reading between the lines, it is clear that China views North Korea as giving it leverage with the U.S., so long as the U.S. believes that China is doing all it can do," Tkacik said.

    Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said if the document is authentic, "it reveals China's policy to be completely cynical and utterly detached from its publicly stated position."

    "The White House would have to react accordingly," he added.

    Trump criticizes past N. Korea policies

    Trump last week tweeted a video showing then-President Bill Clinton praising the 1994 Agreed Framework that Clinton said would freeze and ultimately dismantle the North Korean nuclear program.

    The video also included a clip of Trump on NBC's "Meet the Press" from 1999 urging action then to stop the North Korean nuclear program in its early stages.

    Trump told the New York Times after the tweet he was disappointed China is secretly shipping oil to North Korea. "Oil is going into North Korea. So I’m not happy about it," he said, adding that he has been "soft on China" for its unfair trade practices and technology theft.

    "China has a tremendous power over North Korea. Far greater than anyone knows," Trump said Dec. 28, adding that "China can solve the North Korea problem, and they’re helping us, and they’re even helping us a lot, but they’re not helping us enough."

    "If they don’t help us with North Korea, then I do what I’ve always said I want to do," the president added. "China can help us much more, and they have to help us much more … We have a nuclear menace out there, which is no good for China, and it’s not good for Russia. It’s no good for anybody."

    The Trump administration has been signaling for months it is prepared to use military force against North Korea to rid the country of nuclear arms and missile delivery systems.

    North Korea conducted several long-range missile tests in 2017 that U.S. officials have said indicate rapid progress toward building a missile capable of targeting the United States with a nuclear warhead.

    Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Dec. 29 that he has drawn up military options for operations against North Korea.

    "I don't speculate, as you know, about future operations by our forces," Mattis told reporters. "But with three U.N. Security Council resolutions in a row, unanimously adopted, each one has put significantly more pressure on the North Korean regime for its provocations, for its outlaw activities. I think you will see increased pressure. What form that pressure takes in terms of physical operations is something that will be determined by the Congress and government."

    Asked if the United States is closer to war with North Korea, Mattis said: "You know, I provide military options right now. This is a clearly a diplomatically led effort with a lot of international diplomatic support. It's got a lot of economic buttressing, so it's not like it's just words. It's real activities."
    China backs N. Korea as buffer zone

    The party directive states that China regards North Korea as a strategic "buffer zone" needed to "fend off hostile western forces." Ideologically, North Korea also is important to China in promoting its vision of "socialism with Chinese characteristics led by our Party" and identifying North Korea as "irreplaceable."

    According to the document, the Party regards the "continuity of the Korean government," maintaining peace on the Korean Peninsula and one of its unwavering goals.

    "This issue is about the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula and the fundamental interests of our Party, our country, and all Chinese people," the document concludes, adding that the department should quickly coordinate with the Foreign and Commerce Ministries and other agencies to develop an operational plan to implement the policy "to ensure the sense of responsibility, to strictly maintain related confidentiality, and to seriously accomplish the heavy tasks entrusted by the Central Committee of CPC."

    The document bears the seal of the General Office of the Communist Party Central Committee, the office in charge of administrative affairs. Copies were sent to the administrative offices of the National People's Congress, State Council, and Central Military Commission.

    The internal document states that the new policy toward the North Korean nuclear issue is based on consultations among key power organs within the ruling party, including the Central Committee and State Council, along with what was termed "the guiding spirit" of meetings held by the National Security Commission, headed by Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

    "After research and assessment, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China decided to authorize your department to lead and organize the communication and coordination work with the Korean administration on its nuclear issues," the document states.

  13. #3733
    BTW, most of the articles I've recently posted on this thread have been articles that were linked to under tweets. I have no issue with twitter, it's a great way to find the most current news. I just prefer the article, not the one line sentence. ymmv. I don't like texting either .


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-k...lympics-talks/
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    North Korea resumes missile activity as South offers Olympics talks
    January 2, 2018, 2:17 PM
    Last Updated Jan 2, 2018 3:21 PM EST

    SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea appears to be in the early stages of a launch cycle for another intercontinental ballistic missile test, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports. Meanwhile, South Korea on Tuesday offered high-level talks with its rival to find ways to cooperate on next month's Winter Olympics in the South.

    The missile activity is at the same location just north of Pyongyang where an ICBM test occurred in November, Martin reports. If there is a test, it would likely take place later this week or next.

    Seoul's quick Olympics proposal follows a rare rapprochement overture from the North a day earlier. The North offered the possibility of better ties after a year that saw a nuclear standoff increase fear of war on the Korean Peninsula.

    In a closely watched New Year's address, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said Monday that he was willing to send a delegation to the Olympics, though he also repeated fiery nuclear threats against the United States. Analysts say Kim may be trying to drive a wedge between Seoul and its ally Washington in a bid to reduce international isolation and sanctions against North Korea.

    Kim's overture was welcome news for a South Korean government led by liberal President Moon Jae-in, who favors dialogue to ease the North's nuclear threats and wants to use the Pyeongchang Olympics as a chance to improve inter-Korean ties.

    Moon's unification minister, Cho Myoung-gyon, proposed in a nationally televised news conference that the two Koreas meet Jan. 9 at the shared border village of Panmunjom to discuss Olympic cooperation and how to improve overall ties.

    Earlier Tuesday, Moon spoke of what he described as Kim's positive response to his earlier dialogue overtures and ordered officials to study how to restore talks with North Korea and get the North to participate in the Olympics.

    In Washington, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said U.S. policy hasn't changed on North Korea.

    "The focus here is to continue ... to apply maximum pressure on North Korea," she said, "and we want all of the other countries - this is not just a United States threat, this is a global threat - which is why we're calling on everybody to step up and do more, and we're going to continue working with a lot of different leaders and other countries to help do that, and we're going to keep all of our options on the table."

    The International Olympic Committee welcomed the overtures.

    "The IOC welcomes the mutual intention of the governments of the Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to start direct talks about the participation of athletes from DPRK in the Olympic Winter Games PyeongChang 2018."

    The IOC said in a statement it is continuing discussions with North Korea and its invitation to North Korea to take part in the games would remain open.

    North Korea did not immediately react. But if there are talks, they would be the first formal dialogue between the Koreas since December 2015. Relations between the Koreas have plunged as North Korea has expanded its weapons programs amid a hard-line stance by Moon's conservative predecessors.

    Last year, North Korea conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear test and test-launched three intercontinental ballistic missiles as part of its push to possess a nuclear missile capable of reaching anywhere in the United States. The North was subsequently hit with toughened U.N. sanctions, and Kim and President Trump exchanged warlike rhetoric and crude personal insults against each other.

    Kim said in his speech Monday that North Korea last year achieved the historic feat of "completing" its nuclear forces. Outside experts say that it's only a matter of time before the North acquires the ability to hurl nuclear weapons at the mainland U.S., but that the country still has a few technologies to master, such as a warhead's ability to survive atmospheric re-entry.

    Talks could provide a temporary thaw in strained inter-Korean ties, but conservative critics worry that they may only earn the North time to perfect its nuclear weapons. After the Olympics, inter-Korean ties could become frosty again because the North has made it clear it has no intention of accepting international calls for nuclear disarmament and instead wants to bolster its weapons arsenal in the face of what it considers increasing U.S. threats.

    "Kim Jong Un's strategy remains the same. He's developing nukes while trying to weaken international pressure and the South Korea-U.S. military alliance and get international sanctions lifted," said Shin Beomchul of the Seoul-based Korea National Diplomatic Academy.

    He said the North might also be using its potential participation in the Pyeongchang Olympics as a chance to show its nuclear program is not intended to pose a threat to regional peace.

    In his address Monday, Kim said the United States should be aware that his country's nuclear forces are now a reality, not a threat. He said he has a "nuclear button" on his office desk, warning that "the whole territory of the U.S. is within the range of our nuclear strike."

    He called for improved ties and a relaxation of military tensions with South Korea, saying the Winter Olympics could showcase the status of the Korean nation. But Kim also repeated that South Korea must stop annual military exercises with the United States, which he calls an invasion rehearsal against the North.

    No decision has been made yet, but Pentagon officials said it "makes logistical sense" to delay the annual Foal Eagle joint exercise so it does not overlap with the Olympics, Martin reports. The exercise would fill up hotel rooms and close down airspace and roads at a time when South Korea is playing host to thousands of visitors.

    About 28,500 American troops are stationed in South Korea to help deter potential aggression from the North, a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War, which ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty.

  14. #3734
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-no...-idUKKBN1ER1L1
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    Haley warns North Korea against another missile test
    January 2, 2018 / 7:11 PM / Updated an hour ago
    Reuters Staff

    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States is hearing reports that North Korea might be preparing for another missile test, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Tuesday, warning that it would necessitate tougher steps against Pyongyang.

    “... (W)e hear reports that North Korea might be preparing for another missile test,” Haley told reporters at the United Nations in New York. “I hope that doesn’t happen. But if it does, we must bring even tougher measures to bear against the North Korean regime.”

  15. #3735
    http://www.ntd.tv/2018/01/02/north-k...-yet-defector/
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    North Korean Dictator Orders Scientists to Build Country’s Biggest Rocket Yet: Defector
    By Zack Stieber January 2, 2018

    Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s dictator, has ordered top scientists to build the country’s largest rocket yet, according to a defector.

    The defector told a Japanese newspaper that the country has already started production on its largest missile to date, planning for a launch on the 70th anniversary of the founding of the communist republic.


    The unnamed defector told Japan’s Mainichi newspaper that King Jong-un told North Korean scientists in mid-December to construct the missile, during a two-day meeting of senior military leaders and scientists in the country’s capital of Pyongyang.

    According to the Telegraph, the defector was described as someone who was previously involved in the regime’s missile program–and has retained links to former colleagues in the North.

    The missile has been designated the Unha-4, and is planned as a larger version of the Unha-3.

    Two Unha-3 missiles have been successfully launched, the latest in February 2016 from the Sohae Satellite Launching Station in the northwest of the communist country.

    The latest launch successfully carried a satellite, according to the regime, reported CNN. The first launch in 2012 had failed to accomplish that.

    “Many nations, such as the United States and South Korea, consider the launch to be a cover for testing ballistic missile technology,” the broadcaster reported. “The nuclear-armed North has insisted its aim was to place a scientific satellite in space.”

    The satellite that North Korea claimed had been put into orbit has not been identified by experts, casting doubt on the claim of success.

    The Unha-3 was 98-feet long and based on Soviet Union technology. The North Korean defector told the Japanese newspaper that the Unha-4 is essentially ready but needs to undergo multiple rounds of testing.

    “The defector said there were likely two major objectives in launching a new long-range missile. One would be the use of a satellite for guidance and observation of future missile launches,” according to the Asahi Shimbun. “The other could be to use the pro forma launch of a satellite into space to test whether the missile was capable of re-entry into the atmosphere.”

    The latest missile news comes just a few days after dictator Jong Un claimed in his New Year’s speech that he has a nuclear button on his desk to use at any time.

    “The entire United States is within range of our nuclear weapons, and a nuclear button is always on my desk,” Kim said in his speech, reported The Epoch Times.

    “No matter how much America wants to attack us with their military might and nuclear power, they know that now we possess such great nuclear power and therefore they will not dare.”

    While much of the regime’s true capability is shrouded in secret, CIA Director Mike Pompeo said in October 2017 that the regime appeared to be just months away from perfecting its nuclear capabilities.

    And in late November 2016 experts indicated that a video showed evidence that the regime is closer than ever to that goal.

    “This is a very big missile,” Michael Duitsman, a research associate at the Centre for Nonproliferation Studies, said in an analysis posted to Twitter. “And I don’t mean ‘Big for North Korea.’ Only a few countries can produce missiles of this size, and North Korea just joined the club.” [*he's referring to the Unha-3 in the tweets that quote was taken from back in Nov 2017]

    U.S. President Donald Trump has said multiple times over the past several months that the U.S. would meet force with force were Jong Un ever to make good on his threats of launching one or more nuclear missiles at the United States.

  16. #3736
    Strategic Sentinel‏Verified account @StratSentinel · 2m2 minutes ago

    Strategic Sentinel Retweeted NBC News

    Military officials say a #DPRK ballistic missile test is likely in the coming days.


    Strategic Sentinel‏Verified account @StratSentinel · 1m1 minute ago

    Major activity has been spotted near the launch site where the HS-15 ICBM was tested in November.

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    No way in Hell, is this NK situation going to end well. There will be war there, 1000%

    Japan needs to build it's forces, and have nukes that can reach not only NK, but half of China as well.
    SK and their political class are whistling past their own grave yard. They will be ground zero.
    China is not a friend of the US. They lie, cheat, steal, and don't hold diplomatic promises. God help us if they become the #1 power broker in the World. Because with that, they will take territory by force where ever they see fit.

    The US does not have enough ships, aircraft, and men to fight a large scale war in the Pacific.

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    Hummm..... Recall my prior comments regarding the Unha series....Can't post images from this site...HC

    For links see article source.....
    Posted for fair use.....
    http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Sp...g-15/index.htm

    North Korea's ultimate nuclear ICBM "Hwasong-15" (HS-15)
    (How the Unha-3 converted to an ICBM)

    Norbert Brügge, Germany
    Update: 01.01.2018

    My second analysis

    "It is my guess that the HS-15 is a converted Unha-3. So far nobody has repeated this. But, I am almost sure though. Diameter and length of the first stage are strikingly in agreement. Only the engines were replaced (Pektusan/RD-250). The second stage is probably a down-scaled Unha-3 second stage.

    The HS-15 was launched at a steep angle. After burning out (5 min or longer, when the second stage ignited after a coast-phase), the warhead had a long free-flight phase up to speed 0 up to a height of 4475 km, and then dropped back. I can not say anything about the range of the warhead when the missile launching along a low ballistic trajectory. I have to leave that to the specialists. It is spoken by 13000 km.

    About the final speed of the rocket after end burn time can only be speculated, because we not accurate know the weight/thrust ratios. However, I assume that the necessary speed will be missed significantly in order to send a warhead into the earth orbit (FOB)." (My Interview with Difesa Online, Roma, Dec. 04)

    December 06 (The Diplomat) -- According to an unknown U.S. government source the exact flight time of the missile was 53 minutes and 49 seconds. The source added that the missile’s first stage engine burned for 128 seconds and the second stage burned for 161 seconds. The missile did not feature a post-boost vehicle despite the larger payload fairing, which concealed a single reentry vehicle of an unknown weight.

    Comment: The stated burning times of the stages are sure wrong.
    Check out the size comparison on this page of Norbert Brügge's site...

    What we really know about the North Korean spacerockets and ballistic missiles
    by Norbert Brügge, Germany

    http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Sp...orea/index.htm

    http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/...tion/Frame.htm

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    If China had not been keeping NorK, the NorKs would have starved long ago. This technology they have for missiles is assuredly Russian and Chinese. NK is being kept as the barking junkyard dog at the gate.

    The return of Messiah happens when this key situation comes about:
    Mat 24:21* For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.*
    Mat 24:22* And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened.*

    The edge of total destruction.

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    Saw a headline on Drudge that our DEFCON has been raised pending NK missile test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightEcho View Post
    If China had not been keeping NorK, the NorKs would have starved long ago. This technology they have for missiles is assuredly Russian and Chinese. NK is being kept as the barking junkyard dog at the gate.

    The return of Messiah happens when this key situation comes about:
    Mat 24:21* For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.*
    Mat 24:22* And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened.*

    The edge of total destruction.
    I'm not so sure about Russia. And, I'm not sure if the CIA didn't have something significant to do with it. In fact, it would not surprise me to find out that Obama continues to have something to do with it. why else is he running around behind everyone's back. I think the whole thing -- one way or another -- is significantly attached to the CIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone_Hawk View Post
    Saw a headline on Drudge that our DEFCON has been raised pending NK missile test.
    DEFCON is not public information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northern watch View Post
    Strategic Sentinel‏Verified account @StratSentinel · 2m2 minutes ago

    Strategic Sentinel Retweeted NBC News

    Military officials say a #DPRK ballistic missile test is likely in the coming days.


    Strategic Sentinel‏Verified account @StratSentinel · 1m1 minute ago

    Major activity has been spotted near the launch site where the HS-15 ICBM was tested in November.
    It'd be a terrible shame if the new one blew up spectacularly on the pad.
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  24. #3744
    Quote Originally Posted by Housecarl View Post
    Hummm..... Recall my prior comments regarding the Unha series....Can't post images from this site...HC

    For links see article source.....
    Posted for fair use.....
    http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Sp...g-15/index.htm

    [...]

    Check out the size comparison on this page of Norbert Brügge's site...

    What we really know about the North Korean spacerockets and ballistic missiles
    by Norbert Brügge, Germany

    http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Sp...orea/index.htm
    here you go, from the above page, for people on phones or tablets:
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    Attached Images

  25. #3745
    Nikki Haley speaking at the UN today. Go to these links for her direct comment re: NK and her answer to a question about NK at the end.

    https://youtu.be/waRVWv_UDCk?t=2m7s
    https://youtu.be/waRVWv_UDCk?t=7m48s

    Or watch here, and skip to 2 min 7 sec and then 7 min 48 sec. Or watch the whole thing, she's great.

    Nikki Haley: 'We will never accept a nuclear North Korea'

    8 min 28 sec

  26. #3746
    Quote Originally Posted by Lone_Hawk View Post
    Saw a headline on Drudge that our DEFCON has been raised pending NK missile test.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    DEFCON is not public information.

    Evidently the idiots at UK Express have started to report DEFCON website as if it is some legitimate source for US's Defensive Condition. The first clue that this is illegitimate news is that they place the current DefCon at "GREEN".

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...st-World-War-3

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    HC, you're starting to talk Titan IV, Atlas IV, Atlas V neighborhood.
    If we ALL ain't careful, even the Soviets won't win a throw weight contest.
    And they already beat US by a fair distance...
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    North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!


    Then there is this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    HC, you're starting to talk Titan IV, Atlas IV, Atlas V neighborhood.
    If we ALL ain't careful, even the Soviets won't win a throw weight contest.
    And they already beat US by a fair distance...
    Yeah, when I first saw the photos of the Hwasong 15 online, my first thought was of the Titan...

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    I will remind everybody here that if "all" North Korea has is the equivalent of "only" a Titan Class ICBM, then they already have first strike ability on CONUS. The Titan was a major part of our ICBM deterrent well into the 1970/1980 time period.

    The thing likely holding back North Korea is the shrinking of the missile warhead to fit correctly.

    I think the testing evidence shows that North Korea has now perfected a "Titan Class ICBM, that can be launched, aimed, and impact on CONUS targets. What I haven't been able to figure out is if they have technical ability to put a functioning nuclear warhead on it, either a single warhead, or to MIRC up to ten warheads. I am also unsure if they have a sub launch ability at this time.

    https://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-25C_Titan_II

    Mishaps
    In 9 August 1965, a fire and resultant loss of oxygen when a high-pressure hydraulic line was cut with an oxyacetylene torch in a missile silo (373–4) near Searcy, Arkansas, killed 53 people, mostly civilian repairmen doing maintenance.[7] The fire occurred while the 750-ton silo lid was closed, which contributed to a reduced oxygen level for the men who survived the initial fire. Two men escaped alive, both with injuries due to the fire and smoke, one by groping in complete darkness for the exit.[8] The missile survived and was undamaged.

    The clock is ticking because if Little Fat Boy doesn't yet have a functioning warhead to put on his version of our old Titan, then he is charging right ahead.

    by the way, back in the 60's? there was a fire at a Titan launch site in Arkansas. The engine detonated, throw railroad car sized chunks of concrete for thousands of yards, and ejected the nuclear warhead a long way from the missile silo. It was said that if the warhead had exploded, a 400 mile circle in Arkansas, including Little Rock, would have been a no go zone for decades.

    If all North Korea has is a Titan clone, we are totally screwed. Mattis may have been thinking about this when he made his recent comments.
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  31. #3751
    In chronological order, as it happened:


    http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/...o=132828&id=IK
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    S. Korea Proposes High-level Dialogue with N. Korea
    Write : 2018-01-02 14:59:58 Update : 2018-01-02 15:13:25

    South Korea has proposed holding high-level dialogue with North Korea at the truce village of Panmunjom next Tuesday.

    Unification Minister Cho Myoung-gyon said during a press conference on Tuesday that when making the proposal, Seoul took into consideration that the PyeongChang Olympics are a month away.

    He expressed hope that the two Koreas will hold sincere talks on the North's participation in the Winter Olympics and ways to improve inter-Korean relations.

    Cho said the inter-Korean communication hotline in Panmunjom, which was severed in February 2016, should be swiftly normalized for the high-level talks to take place. He expressed hope that the North will show a positive response to fine-tuning details on the proposed talks through the hotline.

    If the talks take place, it would be the first time that the two Koreas hold high-level talks since December 2015.

    Earlier on Monday, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un called for talks with South Korea to defuse military tensions as well as negotiate North Korea's participation in the Olympic Games.

    http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/...&current_page=
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    N. Korea Yet to Respond to Hotline Contact on Talks Offer
    Write : 2018-01-02 17:56:20 Update : 2018-01-02 18:53:20

    North Korea has not yet responded to South Korea’s attempt for inter-Korean dialogue after Seoul proposed high-level talks.

    An official at Seoul’s Unification Ministry said the South called the North via the inter-Korean hotline Panmunjom at 4 p.m. Tuesday, but the North did not pick up.

    North Korea had also not responded to another telephone call from the ministry earlier in the day.

    The telephone communication channel at the truce village has not been used since the Gaeseong Industrial Complex was closed down in February of 2016.

    Making the proposal on Tuesday afternoon, Unification Minister Cho Myoung-gyon said the South hopes to discuss the details of the inter-Korean dialogue through the Panmunjom hotline.


    http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/...&current_page=
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    N. Korea Stays Mum on S. Korea's Calls Made Via Truce Village
    Write : 2018-01-03 10:18:10 Update : 2018-01-03 11:54:52

    The Unification Ministry again got no response from North Korea after attempting to hold contact on Wednesday morning following a failed attempt the day before.

    A ministry official said the South called the North via the inter-Korean hotline at the truce village of Panmunjom at 9 a.m. Wednesday, but the North did not pick up. The North also did not responded to a call that Seoul made at 4 p.m. Tuesday, shortly after Unification Minister Cho Myoung-gyon proposed that the two Koreas hold high-level talks.

    In making the proposal on Tuesday afternoon, Cho said the South hopes to discuss the details of the inter-Korean dialogue through the Panmunjom hotline.

    The telephone communication channel at the truce village has not been used since the Gaeseong Industrial Complex was closed down in February of 2016.

    Since then, the Unification Ministry has made a call to the North via the hotline every day at 9 a.m. and 4 p.m.


    http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/...o=132859&id=IK
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    N. Korea Says it Will Open Inter-Korean Communication Hotline on Wed.
    Write : 2018-01-03 13:45:25 Update : 2018-01-03 14:48:32

    North Korea says it will open the inter-Korean communication channel in the truce village of Panmunjom starting from 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

    It also revealed intentions to discuss with South Korea details on sending a delegation to the PyeongChang Olympic Winter Games.

    Ri Son-kwon, chairman of the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland, disclosed the plans on the Korean Central Broadcasting Station.

    He said North Korean leader Kim Jong-un had ordered for the inter-Korean hotline to be reconnected in order to timely discuss matters related to the Winter Olympics.

    Ri said the North will work closely with the South in an earnest and sincere manner in accordance with the wishes of the leadership.

    Ri also said that Kim positively assessed President Moon Jae-in welcoming the North's interest in participating in the games and ordering follow-up measures to Kim's suggestion of holding talks to arrange the North's participation.

    Ri quoted Kim as stressing that the issue of improving South-North ties in line with the wishes of the Korean people completely depends on how responsibly the two Koreas' officials address the matter.

    However, Ri stopped short of mentioning whether Pyongyang would accept Seoul's proposal for high-level talks.

  32. #3752
    This article came out before NK agreed to open the phone line; it is not in response to that or referring to that specifically.


    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news...011251315.html
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    (LEAD) Trump says N.K. wanting talks with S. Korea could be good news
    2018/01/03 02:12

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    WASHINGTON, Jan. 2 (Yonhap) -- U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday that North Korea's willingness to hold talks with South Korea could be "good news," although he also expressed skepticism.

    A day earlier, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un said his country is open to dialogue with Seoul and could take part in the Winter Olympics in South Korea's PyeongChang next month. Kim's remarks raised hope that tensions on the peninsula could be eased following the North's repeated testing of nuclear weapons and increasingly powerful ballistic missiles.

    "Sanctions and 'other' pressures are beginning to have a big impact on North Korea," Trump tweeted, referring to international sanctions over Pyongyang's nuclear and ballistic missile programs. "Soldiers are dangerously fleeing to South Korea. Rocket man now wants to talk to South Korea for first time."

    He added: "Perhaps that is good news, perhaps not -- we will see!"

    The U.S. president has used the derisive nickname "Rocket Man" to refer to Kim.


    The South Korean government responded to Kim's overture by proposing inter-Korean talks next Tuesday. They would be the first such talks since December 2015 and likely center on the North's participation in the Olympics.

    The Winter Games are to be held in the alpine town some 80 kilometers south of the inter-Korean border Feb. 9-25. Seoul has been keen to lower tensions with Pyongyang ahead of the event to ensure its success and pave the way for improved inter-Korean ties.

    South Korean President Moon Jae-in has called for postponing annual spring exercises by the South Korean and U.S. militaries until after the games to avoid provoking the Pyongyang regime, which views the drills as an invasion rehearsal.

    U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said Monday North Korea's participation in the Olympics would "give legitimacy to the most illegitimate regime on the planet."

    "I'm confident South Korea will reject this absurd overture and fully believe that if North Korea goes to the Winter Olympics, we do not," he tweeted.

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    #Military: To recap on the plane intel, we have a Ballisitic Missile Detection Platform up - SK E7 Peace Eye Airborne Early Warning and Control up - US JSTARS Intelligence up. "Usually" these planes go up some hours before a NK launch. This would match up with past reports..
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    Quote Originally Posted by onetimer View Post
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    #Military: To recap on the plane intel, we have a Ballisitic Missile Detection Platform up - SK E7 Peace Eye Airborne Early Warning and Control up - US JSTARS Intelligence up. "Usually" these planes go up some hours before a NK launch. This would match up with past reports..
    Is there a central list of all these plane code names and their capabilities?
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  35. #3755
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    DEFCON is not public information.
    I would also think that any announcement as such, would be extra points for fat man. so I doubt any VISIBLE reaction (aside from a tweet) would not be wise at any juntion
    Last edited by zeker; 01-04-2018 at 09:42 AM.

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    "They would be the first such talks since December 2015 and likely center on the North's participation in the Olympics."

    o great. a buncha starving 1000 yd dashers forget to stop at the finish line

  37. #3757
    Profit:

    you'll find this site full of the kind of interesting info you want - http://www.janes.com/defence

  38. #3758
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    Profit:

    you'll find this site full of the kind of interesting info you want - http://www.janes.com/defence
    Thank you!
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  39. #3759
    If I'm naive, inform me why i' m wrong. I just don't see why we don't shoot their ballistic missile out of the sky when they test and basically say their ballistic missile tests have been outlawed by the U.N.
    Responsibility should always lie on that of the individual, and also the consequences for the lack there of.

  40. #3760
    You're SURE a J-8 JSTARS plane was mentioned?
    A JSTARS is essentially a tactical, battlefield intel collecting aircraft. The JSTARS collects radio transmissions between units in the field, then directs US forces onto the enemy's units.
    If they ARE using a JSTARS, then they are using it to scoop data from the control and command units concerned with the missile launch. Used to be RC-135s used to do this.


    Quote Originally Posted by onetimer View Post
    Global: MilitaryInfo
    ‏ @bowden_jayden
    29m29 minutes ago

    #Military: To recap on the plane intel, we have a Ballisitic Missile Detection Platform up - SK E7 Peace Eye Airborne Early Warning and Control up - US JSTARS Intelligence up. "Usually" these planes go up some hours before a NK launch. This would match up with past reports..

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