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    4 Tad Cummins arrested, Elizabeth Thomas found safe in Northern California

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    #BREAKING: Tad Cummins arrested, Elizabeth Thomas found safe in Northern California


    Published 12:46 p.m. ET April 20, 2017 | Updated 7 minutes ago

    Former Middle Tennessee teacher Tad Cummins has been arrested in northern California and Elizabeth Thomas, the girl he kidnapped is safe, according to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

    Just before noon, the TBI tweeted Cummins had been arrested and that more details would come soon.

    Siskiyou County Sheriff's Offices spokeswoman Kelly Giordano said Cummins' vehicle was found Wednesday night.

    She would not say specifically where but said, "We are currently working an active incident regarding the kidnapping."

    Giordano would not confirm whether Cummins and missing Elizabeth Thomas were found but bid did say "Any other details are being withheld for officer safety as they work the incident."

    Siskiyou Countycounty is in a remote area near the Shasta-Trinity National Forest, about three hours northwest of Redding, Ca.

    The owner of the property where they were found said his caretaker called him about 9:30 p.m. and said the man came to a nearby saloon he owned and asked for work.

    "My neighbor noticed the car didn't have a license plate and

    Cummins is wanted by authorities on charges including aggravated kidnapping.

    Cummings was Elizabeth's 50-year-old high-school teacher at Culleoka Unit School in Maury County, Tenn. He has since been fired.

    A warrant was issued for Cummins' arrest after a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation suggested he "may have been abusing his role as a teacher to groom this vulnerable young girl for some time in an effort to lure and potentially sexually exploit her."

    This is a developing story. Check back for updates.

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    What is it with these perverted teachers ??

    News reveals a new "Sex with student" article almost everyday

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Susan View Post
    What is it with these perverted teachers ??

    News reveals a new "Sex with student" article almost everyday
    If he were an attractive female teacher she would most likely get slapped on the wrist with probation. A big double standard.

    In this case 15 will get you 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto View Post
    If he were an attractive female teacher her would most likely get slapped on the wrist with probation. A big double standard.

    In this case 15 will get you 20.
    Yes. She's 15. And he kidnapped her. Big difference. She's a minor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Yes. She's 15. And he kidnapped her.
    That is pure speculation. There is video of her leaving her family home with her arms full of clothes. All appearances point to the fact that she was not "kidnapped." My money is that while manipulated, she left on her own accord. Of course in an attempt to save her reputation (cough) the family spin will be otherwise.
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    Some kind of Beauty and the Beast movie fantasy playing in her head. She went willingly, she wasn't kidnapped.

    She's as nutz as he is if not more so. But she has an excuse - she's a teenager.
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    Elizabeth Thomas Found: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
    Published 2:09 pm EDT, April 20, 2017 Updated 2:25 pm EDT, April 20, 2017

    Elizabeth Thomas. (Amber Alert)

    A Tennessee high school freshman who was on the run with a 50-year-old married teacher has been found safe in a northern California commune.

    Elizabeth Thomas, 15, “has been safely recovered in Northern California,” reported the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation on April 20. “Tad Cummins is under arrest,” TBI added. In a press release, authorities said Cummins and Thomas were located in a Cecilville, California commune not far from the Oregon/California border.
    The capture ends the more than month-long saga of the Tennessee health teacher and his student, who vanished in the midst of an investigation into a complaint that he was spotted kissing her in a classroom. Since that time, authorities had launched a massive manhunt for the pair, who filled their Instagram pages with love posts before vanishing.

    Cummins, a father and grandfather whose wife, Jill, is now divorcing him, has been fired. Thomas was a student at the school where he taught. The teacher and student had eluded authorities for more than a month, with the last sighting of them coming in an Oklahoma City Walmart in mid March.

    Here’s what you need to know:

    1. Cummins’ Car Was Located First in a Wooded Area of Northern California

    Elizabeth Thomas’ Instagram page. (Instagram)
    Before disappearing together, both the teacher and student wrote constantly about love and soulmates on their respective Instagram pages. Authorities have released almost no information about Cummins’ arrest, and it’s not clear whether Thomas will say she went willingly.
    Siskiyou County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman Kelly Giordano told the Tennessean that “Cummins’ vehicle was found in their California jurisdiction Wednesday night” April 19.

    Authorities were planning a news conference to release further details about the capture.

    Thomas’ Instagram profile calls her a “wife” and contains numerous recent graphics about love and soulmates, but some of her posts were disturbing.

    Thomas also wrote about being broken, ugly, and wanting to die. One of her last posts was about Beauty and the Beast and contained the saying, “every beauty needs her beast to protect her from everything but him.”

    Cummins allegedly researched teen marriage before vanishing with Thomas, a teen who had been an alleged victim of family abuse and was home schooled until this year.

    On Twitter, Cummins described himself as “Jesus freak/child of The King, husband, father, grandfather, high-school teacher, clinician, drummer, audio tech, jeep owner, singer/songwriter, warrior-poet.” He’s been married since 1985, according to his Facebook page, which is filled with photos of Cummins and his wife, Jill, and family. Jill Cummins is now divorcing him.

    Tad Cummins’ Twitter profile picture. (Twitter)
    Cummins’ wife went before the television cameras to plead with her husband to return.

    2. Thomas Was Last Seen at a Shoney’s Restaurant in Tennessee & the Pair Was Spotted in a Walmart in Oklahoma City

    Anthony Thomas, the father of missing teen Elizabeth Thomas, shared this photo of his daughter on Twitter. He wrote, “Izzy! Please come home to us! I can’t live without you!!!” (Twitter)

    According to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, until April 20, authorities say Thomas was last seen on a Monday morning, March 13, “at approximately 8:00 AM at the Shoney’s in Columbia, Tennessee, after being dropped off there by a friend. Her parents reported her as missing later that same day.”

    On March 20, the TBI released what it says was the last known photo of Thomas, whom they say was kidnapped:

    Authorities wrote on March 20, “One week ago today, Elizabeth Thomas vanished from Columbia, Tennessee. Our efforts to locate her – and the man believed to have kidnapped her – remain active and ongoing, but to this point have produced no credible sightings or actionable information about their whereabouts. The individuals could be anywhere.”

    Police also released surveillance video they said was of Cummins filling up his car with gas before taking off with Thomas.

    On March 20, authorities released these videos of Cummins in a store:

    Thomas “changed her social media bio to ‘wife’ before disappearing,” reported UK Daily Mail.

    Investigators said at one point that they “can place Thomas in Decatur, Alabama at approximately 3:06 CST on Monday afternoon (March 13), though neither individual has a known connection there and may have just been passing through the area.”

    Authorities received more than 450 tips but the pair seemed to have disappeared into thin air at first, leading them to believe “Cummins could have Thomas hidden from view of the general public or far away from Tennessee.”

    The TBI had urged “property owners – especially in rural areas – to search their grounds for Cummins.

    READ: Elizabeth Thomas & Tad Cummins Social Media Posts
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    3. The Teacher & Student Vanished After Cummins Came Under Investigation for Allegedly Kissing Thomas in a Classroom

    Elizabeth Thomas. (TBI photo)
    According to ABC 7 Chicago, the teacher was accused of having sexual contact with Thomas only a short time before the pair disappeared.
    Thomas’ sister Sarah Thomas “said she heard Cummins tell stories with other students about being in the FBI, CIA and Secret Service” and called him a “weirdo,” <a href="http://www.wsmv.com/story/34968081/sister-of-amber-alert-victim-says-bullying-was-an-issue

    ” target=”_blank”>according to WSMV. Sarah said that Thomas was bullied in school, the television station reported.

    Authorities “confirmed that Cummins is charged in connection with an alleged sexual interaction with Thomas at the school where he taught and she was a student,” the television station reported, adding that the “school district suspended Cummins when the allegations surfaced and terminated his employment Tuesday” March 15.

    Thomas was arrested on April 20, and will be brought back to Tennessee to face likely charges.

    Tad Cummins was active on social media. He posted this photo to Twitter. He also posted about politics, indicating he was tuning into a debate to hear Donald Trump and compared Planned Parenthood to the Mafia. Some of his posts revolved around religion and teaching. On Facebook, he mostly posted photographs of family. An Instagram site in his name includes many recent posts about being in love. (Twitter)
    The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation reports that “District Attorney General Brent Cooper confirmed the details of the incident for which Cummins now faces a charge is connected to an alleged interaction between Cummins and Thomas at the school where he taught and where she was a student.”

    The school released a detailed timeline of the case. You can read it here.
    According to The Columbia Daily Herald, another student walked in on Cummins and Thomas kissing in a classroom. “Cummins and Thomas were sitting side by side in chairs and kissed on the lips as the grandchild, who also attends Culleoka, was using one of the classroom’s computers,” the newspaper reported.

    Cummins was suspended February 6 after the report, and authorities were still investigating the matter when he vanished with Thomas, according to the Daily Herald, which said the witness had regarded Cummins as a mentor and told her mother what she saw.

    According to CNN, Thomas had taken forensics with Cummins and told the school authorities, according to an investigative report, that “she goes to Cummins’ classroom when she becomes upset or anxious. She considers him a friend and he knows how to calm her down. Other students feel the same about him, she says. She denies that they’ve ever kissed and says that she has been to church with him and his wife. The only times Cummins touched her, she says, is when he gives her the occasional fist bump.”

    According to the newspaper, the witness confronted Cummins about the situation, and “he told her they had a daughter-father relationship. They went to church together every Sunday with Tad’s wife. He said he wanted to reassure Beth that no matter how rough her life has been, he was there for her.”

    The TBI determined that “Cummins secured a title loan for a personal vehicle and other personal effects several days before his disappearance, netting $4,500 in cash.”

    Cummins was added to the 10 Most Wanted list on March 17, the newspaper reported.

    Tad Cummins: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
    Tad Cummins is a Tennessee teacher accused of taking missing teenager Elizabeth Thomas. He was arrested in northern California, and Thomas was recovered safely, authorities said.
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    4. Thomas Was Home Schooled & Had an Abusive Family Life

    Elizabeth Thomas. (TBI photo)
    The full picture of Thomas’ life paints a picture of a troubled teenager with a difficult home life. Authorities accuse Cummins of preying on that vulnerability and grooming her.

    According to WSMV, Thomas was home schooled until her freshman year of high school. The television station quoted the local district attorney as saying her home life was troubled.

    The television station reported that “police arrested Elizabeth’s mother, Kimberly Thomas, last year. She was charged with five counts of child abuse and neglect. According to court documents, Kimberly Thomas beat Elizabeth and four of her siblings.”

    WSMV reported that Elizabeth told investigators her mother “banged her head into the agitator of the washing machine” and “threw her down the basement stairs and locked her down there.” Kimberly Thomas “is also accused of making the children get naked in front of several other people,” the television station reported, adding that “Elizabeth is one of 10 children in a single-parent home because her father now has full custody of all of them.”

    On Twitter, Thomas’ father has implored his daughter to come home, saying she has been missing since March 17.

    In one heartbreaking post, he wrote, “Izzy! Please come home to us! I can’t live without you!!!”

    The other posts said Thomas was missing and urged the public to help find her. Authorities say that they believe Cummins’ planned the vanishing act in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto View Post
    That is pure speculation. There is video of her leaving her family home with her arms full of clothes. All appearances point to the fact that she was not "kidnapped."
    Doesn't matter. She can't give consent. Plus he's a married man. And he took her over state lines. Big no-no.

    He's done. Stick a fork in the lecher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Doesn't matter. She can't give consent. Plus he's a married man. And he took her over state lines. Big no-no.

    He's done. Stick a fork in the lecher.

    I agree to put a fork in him. Just pointing out the double standard.


    Legally, his being married has nothing to do with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto View Post
    I agree to put a fork in him. Just pointing out the double standard.

    Legally, his being married has nothing to do with anything.

    He's a creep who had no right to do what he did. Period. And it says in this article that now his wife has filed for divorce, and I don't blame her.


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    Cummins faces charges of sexual contact with a minor and aggravated kidnapping, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation said last month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    Yes. She's 15. And he kidnapped her. Big difference. She's a minor.
    I've got to agree with the kitty woman on this - he is a POS letcher - string his perv ass up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto View Post
    That is pure speculation. There is video of her leaving her family home with her arms full of clothes. All appearances point to the fact that she was not "kidnapped." My money is that while manipulated, she left on her own accord. Of course in an attempt to save her reputation (cough) the family spin will be otherwise.
    Of course she left willingly, if not we'd be looking for her dead body instead of doing a manhunt. Some people have the ability the charm others right out of their socks and you can bet this wasn't his first rodeo either. Soon other victims will be coming out of the woodwork telling about their experiences with the creepy sex ed teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palmetto View Post
    If he were an attractive female teacher she would most likely get slapped on the wrist with probation. A big double standard.

    In this case 15 will get you 20.
    Female teachers go to jail and get registered as sex offenders as well.
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    They located the couple fairly near to where we live.

    Heard the live presser as I drove to the coast for a dental appointment.

    It was interesting how the media and the girl's sister claimed at first that the two were at the Black Bear Commune which is located further west above the Salmon River at the old Black Bear Ranch and mines.

    And how the media was bemoaning the isolation and lack of cell coverage in the mountainous region.

    Two alert locals keyed in on the lack of license plates on the Rogue, the demeanor of the man and the fact that the teen stayed in the rig when the two locals spoke with the man.

    Here abouts folks wave at each other, know who is local or not and keeps a keen eye out for odd behaviors.

    If indeed the two went to the commune first before renting the cabin, then they would of had a heck of time getting to it due to the snow pack in the Trinity wilderness area.

    Cecileville is located to the south east of our place over more than a few steep mountain ridges and along a very poorly maintained paved road.

    Kudos to the man who called in the tip and to the local LEO's who were able to get to the couple and safely bring them into custody.

    Heard a lot of debate on the radio news over the age of consent to leave your home if you under 18 and 12 and above in Tennessee law.

    I bet the local pot growers were having kittens over the heavy LEO presence in the area today.

    What I find interesting the is the heavy helicopter traffic yesterday all day long along the Klamath and Salmon River corridors.

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    VIDEO at the link

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    Details emerge about kidnapper Tad Cummins California hideout

    by Leigh Egan
    April 20, 2017

    After over a month on the run, Tennessee kidnapper Tad Cummins is in custody in a California jail, awaiting extradition. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation (TBI) held a press conference today and answered pressing questions about where Cummins and Elizabeth Thomas have been since March 13.

    The TBI is still working on discovering the preliminary facts in the case, and there are still a lot of questions unanswered. Yet, from what they’ve learned so far, Cummins, 50, and Elizabeth Thomas, 15, were hiding out in a remote area in Blackbear Ranch, in Cecilville, California, near the Oregon state line. The area is so far away from society that cellphone coverage is scarce. Authorities investigating the case had trouble getting to the area because of snow on the ground.

    TBI, FBI Agents and Maury Co deputies en route to California to bring Elizabeth Thomas home to Tennessee. pic.twitter.com/EChfH0beCq

    — Susan Niland (@TBISusanNiland) April 20, 2017

    Although a few outlets reported that Cummins and Thomas were in a commune, TBI couldn’t 100% confirm it. Cummins and Elizabeth were living in a remote cabin, however, Black Bear Ranch is considered a commune where people want to “get back to the land, get out of the city, and start a new life together in the mountains.”

    TBI spokesperson Josh DeVine said that a tip from a local in the area is what let authorities to Cummins. Police investigated the area for around a week and a half, and when they were certain it was indeed Cummins, they arrested him. Cummins went peacefully.


    Black Bear Ranch

    TBI Director Mark Gwyn stated that Elizabeth was healthy and unharmed. She’s scheduled to fly back to Tennessee on a TBI flight. Her location will remain hidden.

    Cummins faces a federal felony charge of transporting a minor across state lines, as well charges of sexual contact with a minor and aggravated kidnapping.

    Check back with Crime Online as additional details become available.
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    This was my previous county of residence for 30 years. That area is very remote.
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    Wow, glad that she is safe. What a mess. She will never be the same again, but hopefully she will heal and be able to live a normal life. She might start to get teased relentlessly, and bullied...sure hope not.

    He needs to be locked up for life- he is a big danger to society.
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    As happens more details come out and from what I gathered from it, the couple did indeed make it up to Black Bear and they were turned away from staying there. It is interesting the fella who helped them out is also from Tennessee. He gave them food, gas money, and a place to stay in exchange for some labor on the property.

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    He needs to be locked up for life- he is a big danger to society.
    Probably not. He's guilty of at least statutory rape and probably kidnapping, but he's not a pervert. Might be a sexual predator, but we don't have enough information to know that. Almost certain there was some grooming going on, but among contemporaries that would be called courting. Just a guy who made some really bad decisions regarding the object of his affections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    Probably not. He's guilty of at least statutory rape and probably kidnapping, but he's not a pervert. Might be a sexual predator, but we don't have enough information to know that. Almost certain there was some grooming going on, but among contemporaries that would be called courting. Just a guy who made some really bad decisions regarding the object of his affections.
    Yep. I'm NOT condoning his actions at all... he has completely destroyed his life as well as his family. I'm not as sure her life is "ruined"... she clearly went along voluntarily, and like many young girls, she traded sex for "love". If it weren't for the publicity, there really isn't any difference than if she ran off with some guy her age, at least in terms of long term consequences.

    We have a real problem in our society, in that girls mature physically YEARS before it is now considered culturally appropriate for them to have sex, much less get married. And the way we raise children these days means a 15 year old is even less mature, psychologically, than she would have been 50 years ago.

    I was dating the man who would become my husband when I was 15. I also had more than one high school teacher "come on" to me... one actually checked my school records because he flat-out didn't believe me when I told him I was 15 (the fact I was taking advanced biology with other seniors probably didn't help)

    Given what is coming out about her home life, especially her being home schooled, she sounds like a troubled girl desperately wanting to feel "special" to someone, and this teacher was dead wrong in taking advantage of her vulnerable and needy state.

    IF she really was the love of his life, and he cared about her as a person, rather than just a young sex partner (which I'm sure he'll try to claim is true) he would have kept a strictly platonic relationship with her until she was 18 and out of school. THEN, if he still felt the same, he could have gotten a divorce and been with her legally.

    His actions and choices speak louder than words about how important her wellbeing is to him.

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    He obviously couldn't (wouldn't) wait until she was 18. Because she would have found someone else by then, and would have been out of his control. She's cute. He's a nasty-looking old geezer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    He obviously couldn't (wouldn't) wait until she was 18. Because she would have found someone else by then, and would have been out of his control. She's cute. He's a nasty-looking old geezer.
    I know a gy in his late 30's/early 40's who just got out of jail.

    Same sitation, him a teacher and he got hooked up with a student. Got busted after flying her here and there and getting ready for them to move in together. She got an expensive ring and a scholarship and lots of goodies from him.

    Turns out [[and it is proven which is why he was freed]] She set him up-set herself up a sugar-daddy and had plans to kill him so she and her pimp could get the insurance.

    The "Relationship" started when she was 15. She got it going. Now she is 17 and making boucoup bucks as a stripper. [[Consent is 16 in the state this happened in.]]

    I'm going to await more info before sending the guy off for execution in this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mzkitty View Post
    He obviously couldn't (wouldn't) wait until she was 18. Because she would have found someone else by then, and would have been out of his control. She's cute. He's a nasty-looking old geezer.
    He probably cleans up ok; he's not at his best in the booking photo. You wouldn't call him a nasty looking geezer if he was in a group at his high-school reunion.

    Yeah, getting the girl before she gets smart is the constant challenge for men who target naive females. They need to be the girl's first love, because if she's had time to evaluate more than a few men, the men who aren't able to court effectively will be seen to be lacking.

    And for men who CAN court effectively, the challenge still remains among their contemporaries. A woman who's divorced is typically a bit gun-shy and her skeptical shields are up. My sister announced that the next guy who comes looking for her will have his work cut out for him. She positively radiates "keep off".

    This is the standard pattern. Older women's skepticism is well-founded, unfortunately, and it tends to deflect the average man toward less daunting prospects. This increases the competition for younger women.

    Men's courting abilities span a bell curve. At the top end of the curve are men who are physically attractive, able to converse comfortably with women, and with emotional depth that will resonate with women. At the other end are men who are not competent to court their contemporaries. Those men have to seek the most vulnerable females. We all have some grandfathers who reproduced using this strategy; we all inherit the instinct they shaped this way over generations.

    For incompetent males, the goal is to catch a girl as she first comes into sexual accessibility. The poorer he is as a catch, the more important this becomes.

    These are general patterns, and I'm not saying Tad was doing that. He was married, and not a complete loser, just made some bad choices and left his brain out of gear. But he was part of the male competition mechanism, he had those instincts, and this naive and needy girl would have been a powerful trigger. I see him less as a bad guy than as a really dumb one.

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    He needs to be locked up for life- he is a big danger to society.

    Nah.

    He might be something of a danger to silly young women with unhealthy home lives, but beyond that - nah. No young woman with an iota of self esteem is going to give someone like him the time of day.

    He didn't put this kid in a cage and pimp her out, or murder her. No need to over-react to this. He committed a statutory offense, more than likely, that he should have known better than to do and had enough self control not to do as an adult and an occupant of a responsible position, and that he should be punished for. But no need to get all wild eyed and crazy over this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    He needs to be locked up for life- he is a big danger to society.

    Nah.

    He might be something of a danger to silly young women with unhealthy home lives, but beyond that - nah. No young woman with an iota of self esteem is going to give someone like him the time of day.

    He didn't put this kid in a cage and pimp her out, or murder her. No need to over-react to this. He committed a statutory offense, more than likely, that he should have known better than to do and had enough self control not to do as an adult and an occupant of a responsible position, and that he should be punished for. But no need to get all wild eyed and crazy over this one.
    I'd settle for castrating him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    He probably cleans up ok; he's not at his best in the booking photo. You wouldn't call him a nasty looking geezer if he was in a group at his high-school reunion.

    Yeah, getting the girl before she gets smart is the constant challenge for men who target naive females. They need to be the girl's first love, because if she's had time to evaluate more than a few men, the men who aren't able to court effectively will be seen to be lacking.

    And for men who CAN court effectively, the challenge still remains among their contemporaries. A woman who's divorced is typically a bit gun-shy and her skeptical shields are up. My sister announced that the next guy who comes looking for her will have his work cut out for him. She positively radiates "keep off".

    This is the standard pattern. Older women's skepticism is well-founded, unfortunately, and it tends to deflect the average man toward less daunting prospects. This increases the competition for younger women.

    Men's courting abilities span a bell curve. At the top end of the curve are men who are physically attractive, able to converse comfortably with women, and with emotional depth that will resonate with women. At the other end are men who are not competent to court their contemporaries. Those men have to seek the most vulnerable females. We all have some grandfathers who reproduced using this strategy; we all inherit the instinct they shaped this way over generations.

    For incompetent males, the goal is to catch a girl as she first comes into sexual accessibility. The poorer he is as a catch, the more important this becomes.

    These are general patterns, and I'm not saying Tad was doing that. He was married, and not a complete loser, just made some bad choices and left his brain out of gear. But he was part of the male competition mechanism, he had those instincts, and this naive and needy girl would have been a powerful trigger. I see him less as a bad guy than as a really dumb one.

    the creep is married, what part of he's married do you not understand??? I know lets turn this into a woman bashing thread. Guessing the couples ages, I'm betting that she's menopausal and he was wanting something a little fresher, a little more tender shall we say. Yuppers it's his wife's fault!
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    I'd settle for castrating him!

    Then what physical mutilation would you impose on a female teacher who committed a similar crime with a male student?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    I'd settle for castrating him!

    Then what physical mutilation would you impose on a female teacher who committed a similar crime with a male student?
    NOTE female teachers don't go just after male students, there was a study I saw recently that female teachers are more likely to go after young girls than young boys. Just for the record. Don't remember if it was a study from the local university that made it to the local news or where I saw it, I just remember thinking that there was no surprise there.

    Oh and I'd castrate him right at the brain stem, so that'd work for a female teacher that'd sexually abuse a student.
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    I'd castrate him right at the brain stem

    That's called pithing....

    pith
    [piTH]

    VERB
    pithing (present participle)
    remove the pith from.
    rare
    pierce or sever the spinal cord of (an animal) so as to kill or immobilize it.
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    I think we are dealing with two issues here:

    1. An Adult who breaks a position of Trust or even temporary guardianship; in this case a teacher

    2. The growing idea in the US and some European countries that men who are attracted to young women who are passed puberty are somehow actual pedophiles.

    The first situation obviously did take place in this "relationship" willing or not the girl was led on by a married man who was in a position of trust and oversight; that is at the very least emotional abuse of an underage person he is supposed to be caring for. It is wrong on many levels, especially morally but often legally and that can even be true sometimes when both parties are full adults; and even when it isn't always technically illegal there are grave moral and ethical issue with say a psychiatrist having a sexual relationship with a patient (and in some places it is illegal or at least would result in the loss of a license if discovered).

    The second is a different but related issue; and there is a really nasty trend to see men who find healthy young women attractive as pedophiles which under any psychiatric description I have ever seen they are not. They may in some cases be unwise, jerks, creeps or even law-breakers (depending on the local laws) but they are not pedophiles who are adults who find CHILDREN sexually attractive.

    The fact that laws and customs have changed enough in my own lifetime that the 20 year old I dated at age 15 would today might be sent up to prison for a number of years (even with parental permission) does not change basic human wiring and biology.

    I mean my late Mom, who would be in her late 80's now if she were alive had a number of close friends; especially after she moved to Mississippi who married at 13, mostly to men somewhat older (twenties) who had jobs or farms and at the time it was considered young but a good "match."

    When some of these women became widows in their 50's and 60's; sometimes my Mom had to teach them to write checks, pay bills and open bank accounts because their husband had started out the adult and things pretty much stayed that way for 40 or 50 years; but I didn't see anyone suggesting that their husband's had been pedophiles either. Back then, especially in rural areas if you had your "monthlies" you were a physical adult and the State said you could marry at 13 or 14 with parental permission.

    I am not for a moment advocating girls marry at 13; today that is simply way too young and a great deal more life skills and maturity are needed on the part of men and women before entering any sort of sexual relationship much less marriage (especially with someone older than they are).

    But what I am saying is that just because a man has his head turned by a full developed young "lady" of 13 who looks 20 in a bathing suit (like I looked) doesn't mean he's a monster; it is only a problem if he violates the law (and her trust) by trying to act on his moment of attraction before realizing (or finding out) how young she really is.

    And by the time you get to young women 15 and 16; well traditionally in Hispanic countries 15 is the age when girls "come out" as ready for marriage; these days they mostly just have a big party and no one expects them to actually get married at 15 but that was the traditional bottom line age for romance and marriage; just as it was "sweet 16" for mainstream American culture.

    Personally I think that setting ages of consent too high (like 18) can be just as big of a social risk as making them too low (it is only recently a few states raised the ages above 12 or 13 for marriage with a judges permission).

    But no matter what the law says, biologically pedophilia is adults attracted to prepubescent CHILDREN; not young people past the ages of physical maturity - again that may still be illegal but it isn't abnormal or a psychiatric condition on its own.

    The BETRAYAL OF TRUST, on the part of an adult in a position of care; especially over someone who is underage is another type of crime and this man certainly did that (again at least in my opinion from what I'm reading in the news).
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    I wonder if he has Lawyer/Legal Insurance through his NEA or School Board? The parents should be able to take care of him.

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    Agree on all counts, Melodi.

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    Bob Mueller‏ @bobmuellerwkrn 6m6 minutes ago

    #BREAKING: Tad Cummins now in federal custody; Arraignment set for Monday:


    Published: April 21, 2017

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (WKRN) – News 2 has learned Tad Cummins, the former Maury County teacher accused of kidnapping 15-year-old Elizabeth Thomas, is now in federal custody.

    After a more than month-long search, Cummins and Thomas were found in a cabin in an isolated area of northern California Thursday morning.

    Cummins was immediately taken into custody and Thomas was rescued. She is expected to be reunited with her family Friday.

    Cummins was taken into federal custody Friday morning and is expected to be arraigned on Monday morning.

    He will remain in custody in Sacramento, California, until his return to Tennessee.

    Friday afternoon, Mark Gwyn, the director for the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, said when asked if Cummins was helped by anyone, “It’s an ongoing investigation.”

    Gwyn also added that he wants to maintain Thomas’ privacy, saying, “We can only imagine what she’s been through.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Agree on all counts, Melodi.

    Summerthyme
    Me too.

    One important thing to add is that an adult man having a sexual relationship with a young teenage girl is one thing if matrimony, and a whole nother thing if it is casual without the bonds of wedlock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    He needs to be locked up for life- he is a big danger to society.

    Nah.

    He might be something of a danger to silly young women with unhealthy home lives, but beyond that - nah. No young woman with an iota of self esteem is going to give someone like him the time of day.

    He didn't put this kid in a cage and pimp her out, or murder her. No need to over-react to this. He committed a statutory offense, more than likely, that he should have known better than to do and had enough self control not to do as an adult and an occupant of a responsible position, and that he should be punished for. But no need to get all wild eyed and crazy over this one.
    I think you are not understanding the incredibly bad effect this kind of relationship would have on a young teenage girl. Not just seducing her, but taking her away from her family and to another part of the country to a remote isolated location. Having been a young teenager girl in the past, and having been through some pretty awful experiences (although thankfully not one like this), a lot of crap haunts me to this day. I can just imagine the damage this would do to a young girl.

    A sane, responsible and moral man would not take advantage of a young girl's trust or even infatuation like this. Sadly, the over-sexualization of the young via sex ed, media, fashion, entertainment and all the rest is also part of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melodi View Post
    I think we are dealing with two issues here:

    1. An Adult who breaks a position of Trust or even temporary guardianship; in this case a teacher

    2. The growing idea in the US and some European countries that men who are attracted to young women who are passed puberty are somehow actual pedophiles.

    The first situation obviously did take place in this "relationship" willing or not the girl was led on by a married man who was in a position of trust and oversight; that is at the very least emotional abuse of an underage person he is supposed to be caring for. It is wrong on many levels, especially morally but often legally and that can even be true sometimes when both parties are full adults; and even when it isn't always technically illegal there are grave moral and ethical issue with say a psychiatrist having a sexual relationship with a patient (and in some places it is illegal or at least would result in the loss of a license if discovered).

    The second is a different but related issue; and there is a really nasty trend to see men who find healthy young women attractive as pedophiles which under any psychiatric description I have ever seen they are not. They may in some cases be unwise, jerks, creeps or even law-breakers (depending on the local laws) but they are not pedophiles who are adults who find CHILDREN sexually attractive.

    The fact that laws and customs have changed enough in my own lifetime that the 20 year old I dated at age 15 would today might be sent up to prison for a number of years (even with parental permission) does not change basic human wiring and biology.

    I mean my late Mom, who would be in her late 80's now if she were alive had a number of close friends; especially after she moved to Mississippi who married at 13, mostly to men somewhat older (twenties) who had jobs or farms and at the time it was considered young but a good "match."

    When some of these women became widows in their 50's and 60's; sometimes my Mom had to teach them to write checks, pay bills and open bank accounts because their husband had started out the adult and things pretty much stayed that way for 40 or 50 years; but I didn't see anyone suggesting that their husband's had been pedophiles either. Back then, especially in rural areas if you had your "monthlies" you were a physical adult and the State said you could marry at 13 or 14 with parental permission.

    I am not for a moment advocating girls marry at 13; today that is simply way too young and a great deal more life skills and maturity are needed on the part of men and women before entering any sort of sexual relationship much less marriage (especially with someone older than they are).

    But what I am saying is that just because a man has his head turned by a full developed young "lady" of 13 who looks 20 in a bathing suit (like I looked) doesn't mean he's a monster; it is only a problem if he violates the law (and her trust) by trying to act on his moment of attraction before realizing (or finding out) how young she really is.

    And by the time you get to young women 15 and 16; well traditionally in Hispanic countries 15 is the age when girls "come out" as ready for marriage; these days they mostly just have a big party and no one expects them to actually get married at 15 but that was the traditional bottom line age for romance and marriage; just as it was "sweet 16" for mainstream American culture.

    Personally I think that setting ages of consent too high (like 18) can be just as big of a social risk as making them too low (it is only recently a few states raised the ages above 12 or 13 for marriage with a judges permission).

    But no matter what the law says, biologically pedophilia is adults attracted to prepubescent CHILDREN; not young people past the ages of physical maturity - again that may still be illegal but it isn't abnormal or a psychiatric condition on its own.

    The BETRAYAL OF TRUST, on the part of an adult in a position of care; especially over someone who is underage is another type of crime and this man certainly did that (again at least in my opinion from what I'm reading in the news).

    The problem is many 15 year old girls today have the mindset of a five year old. Thirty years ago many 15 year old girls were still getting married at that age and were more than capable of running a household. Today's 15 year old is a coddled special snowflake who has a nervous break down because their presidential candidate doesn't get elected.

    This is why many of us here are of the opinion we are holding. This guy knew better and was taking advantage of a girl who clearly needed boundaries set into place for her.

    And AGAIN the turd was married, so this whole argument well she in days past she could have married the turd. Well adultery and marriage are not the same thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    I'd settle for castrating him!

    Then what physical mutilation would you impose on a female teacher who committed a similar crime with a male student?
    needle and thread???? . . . bar clamps and super glue?????
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    Story was just on the news, he had to borrow money to buy cialis, the boner pill.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    the creep is married, what part of he's married do you not understand??? I know lets turn this into a woman bashing thread. Guessing the couples ages, I'm betting that she's menopausal and he was wanting something a little fresher, a little more tender shall we say. Yuppers it's his wife's fault!
    I don't know which post your "reply" was trying to reference, but it clearly wasn't mine.

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