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    Alt-LARP At Berkeley- Now We Find Out Who Does Street Violence Better, Left Or Right

    LARP = Live Action Role Play, for us non-gamers. Embedded links at the original site.
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    For weeks, maybe months, the site WeSearchr was raising money to finance another street fight with the black clad Antifa guys. It was pretty obvious that the point of the “rally” was not free speech or to support Trump. It was an effort to have a rematch with Antifa, which kicked the crap out of the normies at the Berkeley Milo event back in February. The WeSearchr guys did everything but offer to drive the Antifa people to the event. It was such an obvious setup, it is surprising that someone did not shut it down in advance.

    The social media reports from the event strongly suggest the cops were told to stand aside and let things take their course. That appears to be the style in Berkeley, where they just assume the numbers are always on their side. On the other hand, there’s a protest every day at Berkeley. It’s just part of the culture. It’s entirely possible that the level of cynicism has reached the point where the cops simply don’t care. There’s no way to know, but the Alt-Lite people see to think the cops were told to stand down.

    From his secret lair in suburban Washington DC, Richard Spencer declared the resulting melee a win for his team, even though the people who organized it seem to hate Richard Spencer. The various schisms and feuds in the “alt” community have reached the point where it is hard to keep track of the sides. Regardless, the vanguard of the proletariat smashed the other vanguard of the proletariat, resulting in some hilarious video on social media. Judging by the coverage, it looks like Antifa was on the losing end of it this time.

    Spencer is completely wrong in his assessment. He really, really wants to jam current events into his narrative of Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler, but history never repeats itself so neatly. As the old saying goes, “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.” The rhythms of this age have some things in common with the rhythms of past ages, but that’s as far as it goes. Spencer is not Martin Heidegger and there is no young Adolph Hitler lurking in the local art school, contemplating a political future.

    More important, the street theater we see going on between Antifa and the Alt-Lite, and it is the McInness wing doing the fighting, is nothing like the street battles that went on in the Weimar days. The Freikorps battling communists were not bored college boys killing a weekend with some live action role playing and a few brews with the bros. The Freikorps were an important German cultural institution that dated to the Seven Years War. These were former soldiers, organized into a civil political force.

    Comparing the ProudBoys to the Freikorps is laughable on its face and reveals a fundamental lack of seriousness on the part of Spencer. Comparing these Antifa idiots to the Spartacus League is even more absurd. German citizens after the abdication of the Kaiser thought the two paths forward were socialism or communism. Exactly no one supports Antifa’s political agenda, if they even have one. Similarly, Spencer has a following in the hundreds and no one thinks his ethno-state idea has a future.

    To be fair to the Alt-Lite people, and again, it is the Alt-Lite out there doing the fighting, they just want to have their events without being harassed by lunatics. If the adults running the campuses and policing these political events did their jobs, none of this would be necessary. You really cannot blame them for taking matters into their own hands and laying into these Antifa nutters. If the people in charge refuse to do their duty and maintain civil order, then people will do it on their own. That’s an immutable fact of life.

    Even so, America is not Weimar Germany. It is not even 1960’s America. The days of hard men enforcing ideological discipline on the streets are long over. The days of disaffected youth upsetting the social order are also past. Ricky Vaughn did more for the disaffected with his twitter account than any of these guys playing make believe on the streets of Berkeley. The bros had a good time beating up on the punks from Antifa and that’s not a terrible result in itself, but it is not the Spartacist uprising.

    If there’s any lesson here at all it is that in the current crisis, the old tactics are more for theater and entertainment than advancing a political agenda. Going on campus to harass Charles Murray is not changing minds and it is not intended to change minds. It’s just something to do in order to show off to friends. Its bored children coloring on the walls, even though they know mom will be pissed. Since mom is not going to give them up for adoption over it, the act is just pointless, risk-free theater.

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    Someone has been drinking too much kool-aid. those days are quite obviously not over. Not one they keep happening at almost a weekly occurrence.

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    And here's a video of a post-action interview with ANTIFA grrl Louise Rosealma ...
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    BERKELEY PROTEST VICTIM: Woman Punched On Video Talks About Assault During Berkeley Demonstration
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    Louise Rosealma never intended to become the face of a movement, but by Monday she had.
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    Due to formatting (consider the source), this is almost incoherent as posted. You pretty much have to see it at the source to make heads or tails of it because so much it is copied in twitter stuff, photos, etc.
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    Political Violence is Here — Now the Question is, Who Can Do it Better?

    The fake news media was silent when a woman wearing a {RED - dd} Make BITCOIN Great Again hat was pepper sprayed by left-wing activist. The young woman wearing a bitcoin hat was not the first woman to be assaulted by a liberal.


    On Twitter the left celebrated the assaulted. “She had it coming” was the theme, even though she was not a Trump supporter and instead was merely curious enough to attend MILO’s talk at Berkeley.

    A female Trump supporter had eggs thrown on her while an angry mob menaced her at a San Jose event.

    Women who support Trump can be beaten according to liberal Max Landis. Keep in mind that everyone who didnt’ vote for Hillary Clinton is a “Nazi.”

    Those who hated Trump and his supporters — and this is 90% of people working in media — welcomed the violence.

    Violence from the left was ignored by the media or praised. At a Trump rally in San Jose, groups of left-wing activists ran down Trump supporters.

    Thomas Dimassimo rushed the stage at a Trump rally, CNN invited him on as an honored guest. They claimed he was a protester when my search of his social media account pulled up pre-rush gems like: “I want to be a Martyr.”

    The left burned down a Muslim man’s private car during the Inauguration. This man needed his car to work, as he was a driver. The media was silent.

    Even old people could be attacked, and the left reacted with glee.

    Violence became a political tool of the left.

    VIDEO: Trump supporter pepper sprayed at Milo protest

    Violent protests moved through downtown Berkeley Wednesday night after the cancellation of a speaking engagement…
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    The Right “Punched Back.” Suddenly the fake news media cares about so-called political violence.

    Realizing that the left had declared open season on women and children, and that liberal police would not perform their sworn duties, men began offering private security services to those who wanted to express themselves freeely.

    The March4Trump and Rise of Based Stick Man.
    On March 4th, Trump supporters met ANTIFA in an open field. The Trump supporters did not initiate violence. They defended themselves.

    A man emerged above all others. Dubbed “Based Stickman,” he protected himself and others from violent, feral mobs. After being falsely arrested, a crowd-fund for his legal fees reached over $85,000 in 24 hours.

    Matt Pearce of the Los Angeles Times was appalled, writing on Twitter, “the far right seems to be embracing the idea of street violence in response to antifas, if the Based Stick Man keyword search is any clue.”

    ANTIFA had assaulted several women. ANTIFA burns down cars and sucker punches people. Self-defense, according to Pearce, is “street violence.”

    Pearce’s attitude is why Cernovich Media continues to grow. Journalists should call out violence from both sides. Pearce will never disavow political violence coming from the left. Violence against women is welcomed. “She had it coming” if she voted for Trump, or supports bitcoin, or….

    The Battle for Berkeley.
    Recognizing that free speech is the highest American value and that liberal police departments will not defend the rights of the people, several groups held a free speech rally in Berkely, California — the scene of the MILO riots.

    ANTIFA showed up. They were ready. They were going to smash women in the face and throw bricks at children.

    The left was trounced.

    Shane Bauer of Mother Jones was appalled. Bauer didn’t care when “right wing” women were attacked. He doesn’t care about violence against women. Well he does care. He loves it when women are beaten — as long as they are “the enemy.”

    Political violence is here. The only question today is — Who can do it better?

    Noam Chomsky isn’t hopeful. When asked about the “Is is OK to punch a Nazi” meme the NY Times andother fake news outlets circulated, Chomsky replied via email:
    Wrong in priciple, in my opinion, and tactically self-destructive. When we move to the arena of violence, the most brutal guys win — and that’s not us.”

    ANTIFA operatives discussed their loss on a message board.

    I have seen quite a bit of media that has come out of Berkeley today, including watching some of a live stream, and it is very troubling.

    The right was able to hold their own to a large degree against antifascists, in one of the most radical metropolitan areas in the country. They gave as good as they got, and they were able to keep a presence in the streets for hours.

    ANTIFA members are now openly discussing taking paramilitary training courses.
    “Better trained”

    THIS!!!!

    A shocking number of our comrades went in there with absolute no combat training. We need to set up seminars or something of the sort.

    Where is Matt Pearce? Where is Shane Bauer? Will they disavow?

    The fake news media doesn’t care about political violence. They have no principles. They are craven and evil.

    Cernovich Media will continue bringing you the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Louise Rosealma never intended to become the face of a movement, but by Monday she had.
    From what I have been told, she is FAR MORE than just the "Face" of the movement... Perhaps, her moniker should be "The Orifices" of the movement? The associated commentary states that she could benefit from the use of SEVERAL razors.

    Her parent must be so proud.

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    My autofilter blocked my brain from caring about Berkeley, but then this LARP thing came through the shield. What is LARP and what is alt-LARP and are they opponents or offshoots? A web search doesn't indicate anything useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    My autofilter blocked my brain from caring about Berkeley, but then this LARP thing came through the shield. What is LARP and what is alt-LARP and are they opponents or offshoots? A web search doesn't indicate anything useful.
    LARP stands for Live-Action Role Playing. The author is using it as an insult to both sides, by saying that all any of them is really doing is playing pretend. The article even points this out, saying that the clashes back in the Weimar Republic, or even the American 60s riots, were far more serious, and more pivotal. The "protests" today are nothing more than spoiled children on both sides acting out, with no real hope of changing the narrative at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    LARP stands for Live-Action Role Playing. The author is using it as an insult to both sides, by saying that all any of them is really doing is playing pretend.
    Ahh, thanks. My search was turning up games, and I didn't see how that related to protests. I lead such a sheltered life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    Ahh, thanks. My search was turning up games, and I didn't see how that related to protests. I lead such a sheltered life.
    No problem. I forgot to mention also that the most common form of LARPing, that most people would know about, is "Renaissance Faires". The typical LARPer generally dresses up like Aragorn and pretends to fight "orcs", or they dress up like Henry Case or Molly Razor and pretend to fight The Syndicate. The implication being that these are people with no life, who spend all their non-LARP time in their mothers' basements and generally lead very lame lives.
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    LARP... Go to Youtube and search for "lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt". Click the first video returned.

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    All you pro-Trump neo-Nazis (as defined by ANTIFA) need to read this..... the better to understand the opposition and its developing levels of violence.
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    https://www.thenation.com/article/an...n-the-streets/

    Anti-Fascists Will Fight Trump’s Fascism in the Streets
    In stark contrast with many liberals, antifa activists refuse any dialogue with Trumpism.
    By Natasha Lennard
    January 19, 2017

    To call Trumpism fascist is to suggest that it demands from us a unique response. We can deploy the “fascism” moniker to Trump’s ascendance by recognizing features like selective populism, nationalism, racism, traditionalism, the deployment of Newspeak and disregard for reasoned debate. The reason we should use the term is because, taken together, these aspects of Trumpism are not well combated or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason. It is constitutive of its fascism that it demands a different sort of opposition.

    Liberals cling to institutions: They begged to no avail for faithless electors, they see “evisceration” in a friendly late-night talk-show debate, they put faith in investigations and justice with regards to Russian interference and business conflicts of interest. They grasp at hypotheticals about who could have won, were things not as they in fact are. For political subjects so tied to the mythos of Reason, it is liberals who now seem deranged. Meanwhile, it is the radical left—so often tarred as irrational—who are calling upon both US and European histories of anti-fascist action to offer practical and serious responses in this political moment. For all the ink spilled about rising fascism, too little has been said about anti-fascism.

    Anti-fascist, or antifa, doesn’t only delineate that which opposes fascism. It is a set of tactics and practices that have developed since the early 20th century (and the rise of fascism in Italy) as a confrontational response to fascist groups, rooted in militant left-wing and anarchist politics. As organizers from anti-fascist research and news site Antifa NYC told The Nation: “Antifa combines radical left-wing and anarchist politics, revulsion at racists, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, and Islamophobes, with the international anti-fascist culture of taking the streets and physically confronting the brownshirts of white supremacy, whoever they may be.” As with fascisms, not all anti-fascisms are the same, but the essential feature is that anti-fascism does not tolerate fascism; it would give it no platform for debate.

    The history of anti-fascism in 20th-century Europe is largely one of fighting squads, like the international militant brigades fighting Franco in Spain, the Red Front Fighters’ League in Germany who were fighting Nazis since the party’s formation in the 1920s, the print workers who fought ultra-nationalists in Austria, and the 43 Group in England fighting Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists. In every iteration these mobilizations entailed physical combat. The failure of early-20th-century fighters to keep fascist regimes at bay speaks more to the paucity of numbers than the problem of their direct confrontational tactics.

    A more recent history of antifa in both Europe and the United States illustrates the success these tactics can have, particularly when it comes to expunging violent racist forces from our neighborhoods and defending vulnerable communities, while also creating networks of support that do not rely on structurally racist law enforcement for protection against racists. Anti-fascist tactics focused primarily around physical force proved effective in forcing neo-Nazi groups out of entire neighborhoods in Europe and the United States in the 1980s. Back then, as longtime organizer and member of the Industrial Workers’ World General Defense Committee (GDC) Kieran Knutson told The Nation, fascist and anti-fascist formations grew out of youth subculture scenes. Taking on and largely defeating neo-Nazi gangs, multi-racial crews of anti-racist skinheads and punks coalesced and grew into semi-formal Anti-Racist Action (ARA) chapters nationwide. “At its peak, in an era without cell phones or internet, ARA had over 100 chapters across the US and Canada,” explained Knutson, adding that students, older leftists, feminists and more joined efforts to counter a broader group of racist organizations, from the white power music scene to KKK rallies. The network faded in the 2000s, drifting in part to the anti-globalization movement, but as Knutson “the several thousand veterans of this movement are still out there—many still involved politically in anti-racist, feminist, queer, labor, education and artistic projects.”

    The need for this sort of community and street resistance will not be contingent on Trump carrying out repressive policies—the emboldening of far right racists is a fait accompli. At the end of November, the Southern Poverty Law Center released a report documenting nearly 900 separate incidents of bias and violence against immigrants, Latinos, African Americans, women, LGBT people, Muslims and Jews in the ten days that followed Trump’s win.

    Physical confrontation is just a small aspect of antifa direct action, but the history of anti-fascist, anti-racist action is not one of so-called allies standing in polite disapproval or donning safety pins. “Fascism is imbued with violence and secures itself politically through the use or threat of it, so it is inevitable that anti-fascists have to countenance some involvement in violence themselves,” wrote M.Testa, author of Militant Anti-Fascism: A Hundred Years of Resistance.

    The ability to “countenance” some involvement with violence is itself a privilege that so many people of color and LBGTQ individuals in this country cannot enjoy—violence is not countenanced but systematically thrust upon them. The question of whether the counter-violence should be a tool of resistance in the Trump era will no doubt cleave some anti-Trump unities currently breaching the liberal center, the left, and far left. Those of us who long before Trump have defended counter-violence against oppression—as in Ferguson, as in Baltimore, as in Watts, as in counter-riots against the Klu Klux Klan, as in slave revolts—know where we stand. The number of people willing to engage with explicitly anti-fascist organizing and rhetoric has certainly increased with Trump’s rise, “As an empirical measure, our Twitter followers have almost quadrupled from the beginning of this year,” organizers for NYC Antifa told me via e-mail, “new groups are popping up everywhere, and we are fielding requests from all over the country about how to get involved.” Whether this means a significant number of people are willing to engage in anti-fascist physical confrontation in Trump’s America remains to be seen.

    “We don’t think it’s useful to rehash the same old [violence versus non-violence] arguments,” NYC Antifa noted. “If Trump tries to register Muslims and engage in mass deportations, a Change.org petition is not going to stop it.” (Indeed, mass deportations and the mass surveillance of Muslims under the Obama administration would not have ended with a petition either.)

    But the old canard of violent versus non-violent protest is already finding a new locus in debates around whether or not to give the racist far right a platform. When neo-Nazi Richard Spencer at his National Policy Institute held their annual conference in DC last November, anti-fascist activists exposed the event, its attendees, and where its members were dining, and attempted to not only protest but disrupt and shut down the conference, as well as Spencer’s dinner plans (succeeding, at least, in dousing the white nationalist in “a foul smelling liquid’). News and monitoring sites like NYC Antifa, Anti-fascist News and It’s Going Down have been reporting on the NPI, exposing their members and their conferences since before Trump’s candidacy. “Now that Steve Bannon, who has positioned himself as a champion of the alt-right, is heading to the White House, the NPI’s seig-heiling and fashion sense is a trending topic covered by most major media outlets,” NYC Antifa noted, “Yet, for the most part, all these journalists do is reproduce Spencer’s sentiments, which he frames in liberal rhetoric to gain appeal, and feign outrage. Our approach is to expose and confront them.”

    The forms of physical force that served against neo-Nazis in the street in the 1980s are*harder to deploy against the contemporary suit clad neo-Nazi holding a conference with professional security details, or a position in the White House. It will be an uphill battle to beat the alt-right in the dromological battlefield of social media resonance. For one, fascism lends itself to meme form, as fascist form itself purports to give a simple solution to a complex problem; memes aren’t inherently fascist, of course, but their reductive format is well-suited to fascist content. Leftists have reductive phrases and catchphrases, too, and no one would diminish the popularity of Birdie Sanders. But weaponizing meme form is, I believe, easier for a political project that itself takes the form of reduction and over-simplification.

    The antifa task, I believe, is not to make better memes, but to expose the fascists behind the Pepe avatars, reveal their connections, and chase them away. Committed neo-Nazis deserve no more privacy than they deserve public platforms, or safety, even though antifa groups have been known to grant second chances. “We’ve had success with this tactic, and have gotten people to leave groups who did not want to be publicly shamed,” the NYC Antifa organizers told The Nation. “One guy’s boss was Jewish and he didn’t want it known he was working with Holocaust deniers. We took him off our website after he promised to leave the group he was in. We believe second chances are important—our goal is to get people to leave racist and fascist movements.”

    The alt-right might not seek us in the streets, and might trounce us in trolling, but disruption, confrontation, doxxing and altercation remain tactics anyone taking seriously a refusal to normalize Trump-era fascism should consider. Liberals who reject such a strategy in defense of the right to free of speech and assembly engage in an historical NIMBYism, in which only in the past, or in other countries, has militancy against white supremacy been a legitimate resistance. They forget, too, that while the First Amendment ensures that the government will not interfere with free speech, this has no bearing on neo-fascists having the right to be heard or countenanced by the rest of us. For the radical left, no such bad thought takes hold, because militant tactics against white supremacy never stopped being necessary—in the fight against slavery, Jim Crow, red-lining, and mass incarceration—with or without explicit white nationalists in center political stage.

    As a recent statement from Antifa NYC noted, “Before the election, collectives in different cities were organizing in support of people dealing with exploitative bosses and slumlords, With larger participation, these networks could become increasingly viable in a post-Trump world.” Founded by a cadre of activists in New York who grew close during Occupy in 2011, anarchist community space, The Base, opened three years ago as a hub for autonomous organizing around prisoner solidarity, offering support for local residents facing abuse and coercion from landlords, reading groups, self-defense trainings, and more. Following Trump’s victory, the number of people joining their projects has skyrocketed.

    Eight months ago, a number of organizers from The Base launched the Rapid Response Network, which aims to establish neighborhood groups, connected via a hotline, that can provide safety, first aid, and assistance in the event of Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids on undocumented individuals, as well as a physical presence and defense from in the event of racist street attacks. Such networks have been a staple of anti-fascist, militant anti-racist organizing—deployed by anti-state groups from the Black Panthers to the Anti-Racist Action skinheads battling an upsurge in neo-Nazi gang violence in the 1980s. “When we held our first training meeting, 15 people turned up. Since the election that number has quadrupled. Two hundred people have expressed interest on Facebook for the next session. We’ve had to find a bigger venue and add sessions” a Rapid Response Network organizer and founder who goes by Layla told The Nation. (It is common for anarchist and antifa groups, eschewing individualism and facing harassment from active neo-Nazi groups to refuse to give full names to the press; I’m respecting that here).

    Alongside efforts like the Rapid Response Network, which focuses on neighborhood defense, activist collectives are working with interfaith groups and churches in cities around the country to create a New Sanctuary Movement, continuing and expanding a 40-year-old practice of providing spaces for refugees and immigrants, which entails outright refusal to cooperate with ICE. Anti-fascist mobilizations are forming voluntary networks like Community Action Team NYC (CATNYC) which are willing to travel to different neighborhoods and physically confront the rising tide of racist violence and harassment.

    Since networks like RRN and CAT are still in their developmental stages, Trump’s inauguration is an opportunity—with regards to spectacle—to set the tone of resistance to come. On January 21, the day after the inauguration, an expected 200,000 people are expected to march in DC in the “Women’s March,” which, according to original organizers is “not a protest” but an effort to “send a bold message to our new administration on their first day in office, and to the world that women’s rights are human rights,” which they (wrongly) suggest “transcend politics.” It will be a show of solidarity and togetherness, a presence far better than an absence. A policy platform released by march organizers last week offers a progressive and strong message of intersectional feminism. However, a procession of hundreds of thousands of people moving through barricaded streets carrying props and banners can be easily forgotten and ignored—the most historically large marches in recent history have failed to pass muster in history making beyond their size alone. When the status quo is not threatened, its upholders tend not to listen. We rallied in our peaceful millions against the Iraq War, too. The Women’s March nevertheless promises to bring thousands of people together—at worst a liberal parade, at best a jumping of point for the necessary work of local organizing to begin. If it is not a site of protest, I hope it will still be a place of politicization.

    Meanwhile on January 20, the call for the actual inauguration day is unequivocal protest. More than 50 anarchist, anti-fascist, anti-racist groups from across the country have called for a #J20 Disruption. “We call on all people of good conscience to join in disrupting the ceremonies. If Trump is to be inaugurated at all, let it happen behind closed doors, showing the true face of the security state Trump will preside over,” the announcement reads, “We must take to the streets and protest, blockade, disrupt, intervene, sit in, walk out, rise up, and make more noise and good trouble than the establishment can bear. The parade must be stopped. We must delegitimize Trump and all he represents.” One member of the “D.C. counter-inaugural welcoming committee” commented
    anonymously that housing space for 1,000 visiting radicals, in both church halls and houses, had been organized by their group alone. New York anarchists are raising funds to rent whole buses to attend. And, as historic anti-fascist mass protest dictates, there are plans for a large black bloc—a spectacle both intentionally threatening and anonymizing. The expectation of altercation with Trump supporters who will also descend on DC is high.

    The different approaches to the Inauguration suggest a cleaving in responses to Trump along well worn liberal, liberal-left and radical-left fault lines when the need to build political alliances is urgent. The decision to join the Women’s March or Disrupt #J20 should not be a benchmark for division. This line instead should only be drawn when someone, in professed name of democracy, would sooner condemn or even imprison anti-fascist, anti-racist actors before they would see a ceremony affirming and buoying fascism meet with interference.

    Natasha Lennard Natasha Lennard is a British-born, Brooklyn-based writer of news and political analysis, focusing on how power functions and how it is challenged. She writes regularly for The Intercept, Al Jazeera America, and Fusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark D View Post
    LARP... Go to Youtube and search for "lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt". Click the first video returned.
    Don't need to. I saw things like that live and in-person. Yes, it's appallingly lame. Yes, there are more than a few men and women who needed to step away from the Ho-Hos, and yes, more than a few of both men and women wore at least some of their LARP clothing in everyday life as well. All that aside, in the right group, it was a lot of fun, and there were more than a few really epic moments.
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    To Doz's post: Once again, we see that the Left lives in its own bubble of self-created "reality". That article makes all kinds of assumptions about the Right, and its conclusions derive from those assumptions. Since the assumptions are wrong, the conclusions will be too, and the action they take as a result of their conclusions is very likely to result in serious defeats (again). They're convinced that the Trump base is uneducated white idiots and wanna-be neo-Nazis. The reality of course is far different, with much of Trump's support coming from educated and skilled whites (the Makers), military veterans, and the Right in general, which largely has nothing but disdain for neoNazi-ism and related "white power". The true base is by its nature overly tolerant of the childishness of the Left, but its patience has limits, and sooner or later the Left is going to provoke an actual response from the Trump base, and they're not going to like it.

    As mentioned in another thread somewhere, you do NOT. Want. White. People. To Riot.
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    Look, y'all can go larking off about LARPing all you want, but this is a serious thread about the evolution of street level politics and potential if not probable increasing violence in the FUSA.

    Please stay on topic - and the topic is NOT ROLE PLAY.
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    Introducing Haymaker, Chicago’s New Anti-Fascist Gym
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    The growth of explicitly anti-fascist organization has been massive, with people entering into, and creating new, organizations all around the country to confront the rise of the Alt Right and white nationalism in Trump’s America. Many organizations taking up the Antifa mantle are using direct confrontation with fascists, meaning that they may need to defend themselves and their communities from racist attacks.

    With this in mind a new gym named Haymaker, a place for “popular fitness and self-defense,” has been formed. We spoke with the founders of this gym to ask a few questions about why it was formed and what function it will serve to the community.
    Anti-Racist News: Why does a gym like this need to exist?

    An anti-fascist, anti-sexist, and anti-racist martial arts gym will provide needed self-defense training for those most at risk of not only far right violence on the street, but also patriarchal violence in the home. Physical training is a crucial and often neglected component of anarchist practice. We believe that fostering material resistance starts with the most intimate of material forces – our bodies. We grow our potential as we learn what our bodies are capable of doing together. Revolutionary movements around the world have made use of the solidarity and strength that physical training fosters, but there are few, if any, political gyms across the so-called United States. Haymaker will be the first explicitly antifascist gym in Chicago offering free, donation-based expert martial arts training. This gym needs to exist so that when we encounter fascists in the streets, or patriarchs in the home, we*have the capacity to respond in whatever way we deem necessary.

    AFN: What threat are you seeing to the community?

    With sadness in our hearts, and the passion for insurrection in our fists, we recognize a sharp spike in far-right violence in Chicago. Since 2016, there has been a 20% rise in hate crimes throughout the city, marking a 5-year high. There has also been a sharp decline in flights from Mexico to O’Hare reflecting fears the Latinx community is facing in the face of Trump’s Amerikkka. Since Trump’s election, Identity Evropa has been openly flyering campuses, and anti-Semitic propaganda has crept onto campus poster boards.

    A synagogue in downtown Chicago had a window smashed and swastikas drawn on the door, and a Jewish day school was forced to evacuate after a bomb threat was called on it. But beyond the spectacular rise in authoritarian and white-supremacist violence, we also recognize the less public but nonetheless ongoing reality of intimate partner violence against Chicago women, and in particular black women, who are four times more likely women of other races to die at the hands of a (current/former) boyfriend. Building a political force capable of fighting back means confronting the violence in public and private spaces. Currently, southwest Chicago does not contain a single martial arts gym and houses only one boxing gym. And yet this area is home to many affected by the immigration problems and hate crimes that have steadily risen beneath the Trump administration. We want to strengthen community while strengthening our ability to respond to fascistic and patriarchal violence we see taking place at ever-increasing rates in our neighborhoods.

    AFN: How can anti-fascists effectively organize against fascist threats locally?

    We believe that this project represents one avenue toward which collective antifascist power can be built. We envision a space where people from all walks of life and antifascist political orientations can converge and become powerful together. Many of the organizers involved in Haymaker believe that anti-fascism must move beyond simply reactive attacks to fascist mobilization, and pose new ways of living and fighting together that prefigure the liberated society we dream of building. In other words, anti-fascism means organizing a new way of life, one we hope a space for cultivating fitness and bodily power will help bring about.

    We want anti-fascism to be a political position that is open to a large number of participants – as such, we do not separate anti-fascism from anti-sexism or anti-racism. We see the gym as a practical way in which anarchist antifascists can open a window for sympathetic people from other places in the city to meet and join together against those who would see us dead.
    We all have a lot of work to do and we want to continue to find one another, strengthen one another, and build networks of mutual aid and support to weather these storms. Perhaps we will not only fight, but come out better for having struggled with and for one another. Perhaps we will not only make a life from within the ruins, but create a new world. Perhaps we will not only survive, but win

    AFN: How can people join the gym, get involved?

    Please donate to the campaign and share it in your networks! We recognize that this project is local to Chicago, but we appeal to political solidarity that refuses the limits of borders. We hope this project will resonate with others and encourage folks across the US to start training their bodies for the fight already underway. We especially welcome inquiries and emails from those in the Chicagoland area who would like to get involved with the project!


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    That article makes all kinds of assumptions about the Right, and its conclusions derive from those assumptions.
    It resembles to a scary degree the way many theists caricature atheists and then use the caricatures as the foundation for their interaction. Dialog becomes impossible.

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    When the assumption on both sides is that there will be violence, the possibility of dialogue is already left in the dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mountain View Post
    As mentioned in another thread somewhere, you do NOT. Want. White. People. To Riot.
    WASP's don't riot; they go to war. That's why they don't riot.

    No rational person would want a small percentage of the engineers in the defense industry, or the Tech sector, or the power industry, to decide that the time has come to go kinetic. Educated men who think for a living are the most dangerous animals on the planet... The country would grind to a halt in hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bw View Post
    It resembles to a scary degree the way many theists caricature atheists and then use the caricatures as the foundation for their interaction. Dialog becomes impossible.
    Vice versa applies equally, dontcha know....
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    A shocking number of our comrades went in there with absolute no combat training. We need to set up seminars or something of the sort.. We need to set up seminars or something of the sort.
    I wonder if the wantabe communist insurgents will ever have the Epiphany those military aged men chasing them at the rally probably already have had professional "combat training" not to mention on the job experience in Afghanistan or Iraq or a few other not so nice places? Gothish looking Pajama boys in face masks .vs. former US trained military personnel with combat experience? Yeah, let me just polish up the crystal ball to see how this turns out.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    When the assumption on both sides is that there will be violence, the possibility of dialogue is already left in the dust.
    I seem to recall in one of his recent interviews Bracken saying (essentially) that the "controllers" were waiting with baited breath for a "magazine dump" to occur - that it could come from either side . . . once it starts it will be very FUGLY indeed.
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    And ANTIFA is talking about arming up as well as pumping up.

    They showed up with long guns at a rally in Phoenix a few weeks ago, and are talking about sidearms as well as hand to hand training as in the gym I linked here in this thread.

    This has all the signs of getting really sporty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark D View Post
    WASP's don't riot; they go to war. That's why they don't riot.
    Well yes they have, back in 1863, Five Points, NYC. It took a cannons of the Union military to stop it. Martial law was declared. Reportedly over a hundred US citizens ended up dead. They were laid out in the streets so they could be identified or not. It is something to remembered and seriously considered.

    Link to more information on the event:
    New York City draft riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots
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    Doz, I am glad that you started this thread. I have been following these discussions at sites like WRSA, Vox Day, and Zero Hedge. Tactics, protective gear, etc. are being discussed. I have also seen posts of sub-reddits where the young leftists are discussing the same thing. They appear to be spying on each others discussions.

    So I have a question that arises out of last weekend's Berkeley event. I had always assumed that groups like antifa and Black Block were getting money for training. In fact there were reports that Black Block had some former military vets. I guess these would be the paid people. When Trump rallies were attacked,or the Milo event earlier this year, I thought that these masked people, dressed in black were those groups.

    So when the folks on the right finally decide to defend themselves, these peole did not respond too well. So are the paid, well-trained people being held in reserve?

    This dynamic does bother me because I have believed for several years now that TPTB wanted a reaction of some sort from the right that could be put down. Only it never really happened. TPTB actually had to invent situations (Bundy, Waco, Malfuer) to try and get it to happen. So now these young Trump supporters are defending their speakers, and at least from last night, all it took was for Auburn police to enforce the "no-mask" rule and antifa pretty much melted away. Our guys never have masks on to begin with.

    I guess I just am suspicious about how these events are escalating. Am I missing something?

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    Thought this might be of some interest, take it for what you will;

    **The article is broken up because of the really bad column formatting and is very video and photo heavy, also some of the photos are NSFW...no direct nudity, but bodypaint and the like. If you can, I highly advise actually reading the article at the link to make compete sense of it, in a screen shot from a Facebook post it directly mentions George Soros by name as the main contributor to the FEMEN movement**


    The Doxxing Of Louise Rosealma Reveals Link Between Antifa and Porn Industry

    Does Antifa recruit from the pornography industry?

    Over the weekend, the Alt-Right and various other pro-Trump factions clashed with Antifa at Berkeley. The result? Decisive victory for the Shitlord Alliance.

    The police pulled out, and allowed the brawl to occur. By some accounts, Antifa brought weapons:

    This is a disturbing development to say the least. But it wasn’t the only development worth noting from the events. During the brawl, one of the Antifa girls was punched down as she lunged for a free speech marcher’s throat. Judging from her weighted gloves, she came ready to fight. Shortly afterwards, she launched a gofundme to cash out on betabux to pay for her hospital bills. (She wants to raise 80k for a concussion).

    Disturbing details have come to light about the Antifa girl. In no particular order, here is what we now know about Louise Rosealma (Venus Rosales, Emily Rose Marshall, Emily Rose Nauert).

    She was confirmed to being affiliated with FEMEN (public nude marches)
    Not only have we found out she does nude modeling, but she also did porn on ATKhairy
    She did nude modeling for a site called Modelanarchy- the name is suggestive to say the least
    There are other models on both sites that look kinda hippy or punk from the USA or California region
    Is it possible that there are other Antifa members on these sites? I suggest that it is very probable.

    Others have observed the link between Far Left activists and the pornography/prostitution industry. In Ukraine for example-where FEMEN was founded (by a Jew) – Far Left Femen protestors were revealed to be former prostitutes being paid to bear their breasts in the name of “freedom” or some other progressive cause du jour.

    Occidental Observer has also reported on the link between FEMEN and jewish money:

    Femen were launched by a group of Kiev University students campaigning against sex tourism in 2008 and quickly got attention. But as their topless fame grew, the nagging questions increased. How are they able to rent such nice flats in Kiev? How do the girls make a living? The Italian magazine IL Foglio did its own investigation and uncovered some tantalising facts.

    Every activist in Kiev gets about one thousand euros per month, the salary of the leaders is 2,500 euros (note that an average salary in Kiev is about 500 euros). In Europe, spending is even higher, and the girls from FEMEN receive €1,000 a day,” the Italian newspaper wrote. (Aug. 20, 2013)

    Il Foglio identified an American Jewish businessman called Jed Sunden as a key funder of Femen.

    And if Facebook posts are anything to go by, they had some serious backers:

    Now we are seeing the same links between Far Left activism and pornography coming out in the United States as well. The Femen model seems to have been implemented in California. The recruitment cycle is straight-forward. A young, dumb girl goes to college and gets baptized in Far Left Cultural Marxist propaganda. She becomes brain-washed, indebted and willing to degrade herself for money and a sense of (((empowerment))). She is then one step away from becoming a shock troop for the globo-homo cause.

    Antifa needs to be taken down once and for all. Normally, in a healthy, functioning society, the police wouldn’t be using velvet gloves against armed rioters and a federal 3-letter agency would be already investigating the group. I am certain that there is far more to Antifa than meets the eye.

    https://altright.com/2017/04/17/the-...porn-industry/

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    Very unlikely. Especially since it is the left that created the ruins in the first place, if destruction can ever be considered as creating anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plain Jane View Post
    Doz, I am glad that you started this thread. I have been following these discussions at sites like WRSA, Vox Day, and Zero Hedge. Tactics, protective gear, etc. are being discussed. I have also seen posts of sub-reddits where the young leftists are discussing the same thing. They appear to be spying on each others discussions.

    So I have a question that arises out of last weekend's Berkeley event. I had always assumed that groups like antifa and Black Block were getting money for training. In fact there were reports that Black Block had some former military vets. I guess these would be the paid people. When Trump rallies were attacked,or the Milo event earlier this year, I thought that these masked people, dressed in black were those groups.

    So when the folks on the right finally decide to defend themselves, these peole did not respond too well. So are the paid, well-trained people being held in reserve?

    This dynamic does bother me because I have believed for several years now that TPTB wanted a reaction of some sort from the right that could be put down. Only it never really happened. TPTB actually had to invent situations (Bundy, Waco, Malfuer) to try and get it to happen. So now these young Trump supporters are defending their speakers, and at least from last night, all it took was for Auburn police to enforce the "no-mask" rule and antifa pretty much melted away. Our guys never have masks on to begin with.

    I guess I just am suspicious about how these events are escalating. Am I missing something?
    Antifa has escalated from sticks with nails in the end, to padlocks on the end of ropes, M80s in wine bottles thrown into pro-trump groups, and concealable polymer creditcard knives.

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    ANTIFA is a traveling road show. I don't know how many of them there are or how many real 'shock troops' they have (as in ex military etc).

    A recent example:



    -- https://westernrifleshooters.files.w...hcxoaay6u_.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    ANTIFA is a traveling road show. I don't know how many of them there are or how many real 'shock troops' they have (as in ex military etc).

    A recent example:



    -- https://westernrifleshooters.files.w...hcxoaay6u_.jpg
    I dunno. To me, that sign just makes me want to go out and meet them.


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    The police handled it pretty well, it seems. It's against the law to wear masks in AL in cases like that, and ANTIFA did not like having to show their faces. Apparently they dispersed when unmasked and there was little violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weps View Post
    Antifa has escalated from sticks with nails in the end, to padlocks on the end of ropes, M80s in wine bottles thrown into pro-trump groups, and concealable polymer creditcard knives.
    I also see references to video evidence that the female that got punched was holding one of those wine bottles. I have wondered if she was actually acting as a decoy, to distract and harass some of the Trump supporters while her male colleagues could inflict more harmful damage on others. There comes a point in which females have to own responsibility for their actions and take the consequences. The guy who punched her may not have been acting offensively on his own behalf but defensively for the sake of his friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    ANTIFA is a traveling road show. I don't know how many of them there are or how many real 'shock troops' they have (as in ex military etc).

    A recent example:



    -- https://westernrifleshooters.files.w...hcxoaay6u_.jpg
    Doz and weps, Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I remember reading about the origins of Black Block and antifa, perhaps months ago. These are groups and tactics that were developed in Europe during the 60's and 70's. These tactics have been successful in shutting down PEGIDA marches in Europe, but then populist parties in Europe also enjoyed success in 2016. The violence is escalating against Le Pen and National Front ahead of their election on Sunday.

    But in Europe, as in the US, the police did not enforce laws against these groups unless they actually had to stop violence, and that was not always a given. This episode in Berkeley seems to be the first time that conservative young people made an effort to defend themselves. Of course having Oath Keepers and Bikers For Trump there was a help, but that also cannot be relied on. These people all have their own jobs and responsibilities.

    It has come to this, living responsibly has become a liability!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plain Jane View Post
    I also see references to video evidence that the female that got punched was holding one of those wine bottles. I have wondered if she was actually acting as a decoy, to distract and harass some of the Trump supporters while her male colleagues could inflict more harmful damage on others. There comes a point in which females have to own responsibility for their actions and take the consequences. The guy who punched her may not have been acting offensively on his own behalf but defensively for the sake of his friends.
    IMO it looks like they have a female front the males. The female claims a Trump support bumped, groped, hit, triggered, whatever her giving the male protestors justification to attack to protect "their" woman. For all their claims of anti-misogyny and anti-patriocracy, this reeks of a contrived machismo set up. There was a video where a female protestor bragged she, "could take a punch".
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    Comment on "There Will Be Blood: Left Prepares For War After Berkeley Beat Down: Combat Training, Better Equipment, Guns.”

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    The word, war has been so over used, misused and abused that has lost the real horror of what war really means. We have had a war on crime, war on drugs, war on poverty. Unlike playing a war game on your computer, in the comfort of your own room, bad things do happen to you in war. Very bad things. By the way, have we won any of those other wars yet (on drugs, crime and poverty)? We have a word to describe what the lefties are advocating: Sedition. A crime, that still is a capital offense.

    Should this all turn ugly (the use of guns to impose your will on the other guy), it will get uglier than either side anticipates. Those on "the right" are condescendingly calling those as in the above photo, pussies, wimps and cowards with no stomach for a real right. The arm chair warriors with their weapon of choice and the amount of ammo they have on hand confidently state how any lefty that dares to come within a certain distance is a dead man. Over confident. They have forgotten history.
    Lefties are quite willing to commit mass murder to achieve their political goals. What happened at Berkeley was a fluke. Recall the SDS, and the Black Panther movements of the 60' and early 70's.

    Students were willing to blow things up. It is only a matter of how soon they bring weapons to the next protest rally. They will learn from what happened and not make that mistake twice.

    Those on the left having gotten their way for decades at little cost don't have a clue as the rage those Deplorables barely contained under that very thin veneer of respect for the law. They have committed the mistake of believing their propaganda about those on the right. Big Mistake. Wars have this very nasty habit of not going according to plan. Consider how the South and the North viewed each other just before the War Between the States started. Each side thought the other side was not a match for the quality they had as a soldier, and any war would be over quickly ending in victory. There does come a point where name calling will not work to intimidate the politically incorrect person into silence, when he does not care what you call him.

    Then what? What if the ONLY thing stopping some middle aged white guy from pulling the trigger is the over riding wish to pay his bills, and one day he doesn't care if the mortgage gets paid? It is one thing to lecture others on "social justice issues" from the comfort of your You Tube web cam with a Starbucks coffee in hand and another recovering from a gun shot wound that leaves you crippled for life from a guy that refused to respect your invented personal pronouns and what you "identify as". Walking around with your "this is war", is not a good plan. It will NOT end the way you think it is going to. Go back and read those old books written by those dead white males on the topic of real war. You lefties can learn about what real war is, by doing it the easy way or the very hard way. Your call. The gods of the copy book heading will, absolutely, have the final say in the matter.
    -NewVegasBadger

    PS:* Another thought here, to be put under the heading of, that is a good question: In the event the Lefties get their wish of a war on the Deplorables on the right, what are the LEOs going to do?

    Officer Friendly has morphed into Officer Safety. It already has gotten to where what is printed on the uniform will tell you if the uniform is a soldier or a member of some LEO department. Many LEOs do see themselves as members of a paramilitary organization. They over the years have gotten all the military hardware the various branches were willing to give away. It is only a matter of time when they use them. Dot.gov agencies have gotten their very own paramilitary security force.

    They have purchased using your tax money to buy enough ammo to practically never to have to worry about running out. They do believe their bright shiny badge does given extra rights. They do know that to get away with murder all they have to state is the offender resisted arrest and the officer feared for his safety. I don't want to be in the same zip code when Officer Safety get to play with all that uber cool, high speed, full cammo, official and genuine military stuff that he now has. I strongly suspect that he will shoot first and ask questions later. And not caring about your feelings, respecting your safe space, or what video you are going to post on Facebook. They many not care if you are wearing a Che shirt or a stars and stripe shirt, you're a sheeple

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    Doz- I am glad you kept this thread going. The topic is pretty important and the circumstances continue to be fluid. I have done some reading over at Democratic Underground as well as more conservative or Alt. Right sites and can offer some suggestions and concerns.

    1. I have seen mention of an effort called Free Speech Block. It appears to be a coalition of Alt. Lite/Alt. Right groups who are not college students but who have decided to be on hand to defend and protect speakers and the audiences of college conservatives who decide to hold these events.

    I have always opposed actions that confront the left on a battlespace of their choosing and their shaping. But in this case, I have to acknowledge that the goal is not to then own the space and have to maintain it. The goal is more short-term and doable. From all reports there is unanimity on the issue of a defensive posture. This groups will not inititiate violence, ever. They will however defend themselves and those who come under attack. I cannot tell if Oath Keepers or Bikers For Trump are a part of this or not.

    Two things need to be thought through. Now that the groups on the right are more organized, the prospect of infiltration by agent provocateurs is more likely. Can these groups maintain discipline? I know that they have thought of this but it remains a concern.

    The second thing is that has been noted in various sites on the left, these encounters have largely been white on white. There is some hand-wringing over the optics of this on the left, but my worry is that some evil genius will take note of Alt.-Lite's success and decide to change the optics. Suppose BLM had shown up in Auburn instead of antifa? Would that have gone as well? Ann Coulter's speech at Berkely will now go on but the date had been pushed back to May 2. Does that give organizers time to get BLM and La Raza on board? Do our people have a strategy for that? I simply think that it is likely to occur because as these antifa people are outed, there have been consequences. antifa girl has become a pitiable object lesson. And I gather that the guy who used a padlock on a stick to beat people has been outed as a professor.

    This brings me to another point. The peeps over at DU really, really do not like the strategies deployed by antifa. They are honest enough to see the hypocrisy involved. Their feeling is that if antifa was not there, these successes on the right would not be occurring. So if the left is losing support because of the current dynamic, I look to them to change the subject. Agent provocateurs and the injection of race into the discussion would do just that.

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