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    This antibiotic will ruin you

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    This antibiotic will ruin you.
    Posted on March 18, 2017

    Hi there, we need to talk. I have almost written this post at least 20 times and got too overwhelmed and abandoned it. Well here goes…

    The antibiotics you took or are taking for your sinus infection, UTI, skin infection, laser eye surgery…ect…may have already damaged you.

    Cipro, Levaquin, Avalox, nearly every generic ending in “quin”, “oxacin,””ox,”…are all part of a large family of antibiotics called “Flouroquinolones.” The FDA finally updated their warning on these antibiotics as of July 2016. They site “multiple system damage that may be irreversible. Permanent you guys. Here is the link for the warning if you are a doubting Thomas https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm500143.htm. Take a gander real quick if you are reading this with an eyebrow raised. Trust me, I wish I had been given the opportunity to soak up this information before it was too late.

    In 2010, I took Cipro for a UTI and it changed my life forever. A round of antibiotics literally changed the path I was walking, into a path that I couldn’t even crawl on. Multiple spontaneous tendon and ligament ruptures, spinal degeneration, and arthritis that is widespread. We are talking multiple joint dislocations and surgeries to most of my large joints and spine. Twenty surgeries in the last 7 years if you wanna count.

    I said T W E N T Y.

    This class of antibiotics were supposed to be only used as a last resort antibiotics, if all other options had failed. They never were supposed to be given for common infections. They damage the body so seriously because they actually damage the DNA mitochondrial repair cells. Those are the cells that are supposed to heal any damage to the body. In this case, it damages the cells that are supposed to repair damaged cells and tissue. So…you can only heal tissue to the integrity it was when it fell apart. Fantastic. You now have tissue paper tendons and ligaments. You are a human piñata at a party and life is whacking you left and right. Do you know what it feels like to hear and feel your shoulder pull apart like taffy, or your achilles pop and tear apart like an old rubber band? It gets even better. Flouroquinolones cross the blood brain barrier. This can result in psychiatric events, depression, and suicidal thoughts. I was incredibly fortunate not to have the psychiatric side of this.

    Here is another sickening truth…the damage is cumulative. The more exposures you have to these antibiotics, the more damage is done to your body. Not just for some people, ALL people. A hundred percent of people who take a Flouroquinolone antibiotic, show changes in blood flow to the tendon, cartilage, and ligament in their bodies. Each person has a different breaking point depending on their own unique DNA. Some people fall apart or die after 1 pill. I fell apart after my 4th round of Flouroquinolone antibiotics in my life and some people are on their 25th round and are still oblivious to what is happening inside them until they break. It might not even be a physical one. It may be a psychotic one. By then, it’s too late. The damage is done.

    This was my nightmare. It gets worse. There is no cure. No treatment. No relief. No specialist even. Im telling you…if it hadn’t been for the knowledge that God is ever present and with me…I would have walked out in front of a bus. He is the reason I am sane…well mostly.

    I am writing this in hopes that you will educate yourself and your families. Don’t take that antibiotic in ignorance one more time. Don’t take your chances. Don’t be afraid to demand an alternative. You get only 1 life. I am convinced that a large portion of why God allowed this in my life, is so that I could use my loud mouth to educate you. To share the blessings and miracles He has given me throughout this journey and to be my obnoxious self for a cause that needs to be shouted from the rooftops. If you take a Flouroquinolone by choice…please don’t tell me. It makes me have anxiety and it makes me worry about something I can’t control. Only you can control what goes in your body. When you tell me you take these antibiotics, it makes me feel physically ill. If you only understood the risk you are taking, you wouldn’t take it. Save the explanation. There are alternatives if you demand them. I’ve refused these medications on multiple occasions and so has my mom who is allergic to penicillins and Cephalosporins and Sulfa. There are other options if you demand them. If you don’t have Anthrax poisoning, or pseudomonas bacteria…my family doctor will tell you, they can figure something else out. I am going to share some trustworthy Flouroquinolone warning links. If you look them up…I am sure you will be glad you did. Do it for yourself and do it for your friends and your family.

    This is the FDA’s warning for Flouroquinolone antibiotics:

    http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/.../ucm126085.htm

    This is the Department of Health and Human services warning for Cipro:

    http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsa...473s028ltr.pdf

    This is the New England Journal of Medicines’ article on “Achilles Tendinitis and Tendon Rupture Due to Fluoroquinolone Antibiotics”

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99409153311116

    The New York Times Popular Antibiotics May Carry Serious Side Effects

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...-effects/?_r=1

    ResearchGate Musculoskeletal Complications of Fluoroquinolones: Guidelines and Precautions for Usage in the Athletic Population

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tic_Population

    Medscape Musculoskeletal Complications of Fluoroquinolones: Guidelines and Precautions for Usage in the Athletic Population

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/741802

    The mitochondria targeted antioxidant MitoQ protects against fluoroquinolone-induced oxidative stress and mitochondrial membrane damage in human Achilles tendon cells

    PubMed The mitochondria targeted antioxidant MitoQ protects against fluoroquinolone-induced oxidative stress and mitochondrial membrane damage in human Achilles tendon cells.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19235604

    This is WebMDs’ warning about Cipro and similar antibiotics

    http://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis/...upture-tendons

    This is Oxford Journals’ Fluoroquinolone-Associated Tendinopathy: A Critical Review of the Literature

    http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/11/1404.full

    This is Oxford Journals’ Electrochemical characteristics of five quinolone drags and their effect on DNA damage and repair in Escherichia coli

    http://jac.oxfordjournals.org/content/25/5/733.abstract

    NATA Journals’ Fluoroquinolones and Tendinopathy: A Guide for Athletes and Sports Clinicians and a Systematic Review of the Literature

    http://natajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.4...2-6050-49.2.09

    The Journal of Clinical and Aesthetic Dermatologys’ The Risk of Fluoroquinolone-induced Tendinopathy and Tendon Rupture: What Does The Clinician Need To Know?

    http://www.jcadonline.com/the-risk-o...-need-to-know/

    NCBIs’ The vasculature and it’s role in the damaged and healing tendon

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC128932/

    Medication Senses’ New Warnings for Cipro, Levaquin, and other Quinolone Antibiotics

    http://www.medicationsense.com/artic...cs_052205.html

    Over the last 7 years, I’ve been to 3 Rheumatologists, orthopedic surgeons and spine surgeons, physical therapists, physical medicine and rehab specialists and 3 different primary care doctors. There is no treatment but to try to put back together what breaks. I have seen multiple docs from Mayo clinic and they are in the same boat as the others. They don’t know how to reverse it. They can’t. The science is not there yet. I contacted a doctor from Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota, his name was Jay Smith, and he had been part of a research study of the effects of Flouroquinolones on the musculoskeletal system in the athletic population. He actually wrote me back when I asked him for a consult and told him I would even fly there for an appointment if he thought he could help me. He said that he didn’t know how to treat it. They know the science behind the damage that Flouroquinolones cause, but the science is not there yet in how to reverse it. I will tell you this. I reached an incredibly low and dark place when he responded with this. You have to understand that I have had a miracle. God is what has gotten me through this and I can’t put the credit on anything else. The ministers at my church prayed for me with blessed oil. In the Bible it talks about this in James chapter 5. I had an incredible experience during that “administration.” My son was 8 years old at the time and he had a dream that night where God spoke to him and told him that “He was going to heal his mom, but we had to be patient.” This was 5 years ago. I am hiking mountains regularly now. My body still has many problems but my progress has been a miracle and all my surgeons and doctors will tell you the same. God is the great physician, and He alone is the answer. I did write a book about this and it will be coming out in the next 6 to 8 weeks. It’s called “The Magnificent Story of a Lame Author.” I have had countless blessings through this and the credit for the improvement is Gods.

    We have to get this information out there. Spread it to everyone you know. Print the FDA warning and show it to your friends and family and even your doctors. Sometimes the warnings slip through the cracks and they don’t know. You could save their lives. Alright people, let’s make a positive difference!

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    Thank you for this. I was given this for 10 days at age 65, it has ruined my life too plus a detached retina. I hurt so bad I can no longer sleep except for short periods of time, each day I get older, the damage is compounding.................and they do not want to give you pain meds.
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    Levaquin saved both RELIC and I twice for bacterial pneumonia.....
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    My mother took cipro last fall and almost died. She is 88 and fairly active. She had a UTI and taking this medicine. She was so ill that she decided to go to bed and told my dad to check on her later, she might be gone. My dad called my older sister and told her what she said. My sister called me and I said I would meet her at parents. It was about 8 or 9 pm. I went in to see her. She was very ill. I called the ambulance. All the sodium in her body was gone, along with potassium and magnesium. She wasn't far from death. Now she has to eat 2 small pkg. of Lays potato chips and practically pour salt on her food and is just now getting all the sodium her body needs. She has many health problems now such as taking 4 blood pressure pills plus an itchy rash that comes and goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Levaquin saved both RELIC and I twice for bacterial pneumonia.....
    I too was at deaths door from staph pneumonia the entire right lung and lower left. I was on Levaquin for 6 weeks and I am 100% certain I would have died without it, I nearly died with it.

    The risk was die or take it. I'm very glad I had it.

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    My own experience is IV Cipro is given for every surgery i have had

    I went on four prescriptions of CIPRO, 1 sulfur , and one bactrim last summer for my first and only UTI that lasted almost 6 months I picked urine infection up following surgery
    No RX worked

    Called my ancient old and wise aunt and asked her
    She said they treated her with sulfa pills in 1950-60s as that was standard cure then

    I tried over the counter Sundowner brand garlic pills 75mg 2 each = 150mg x3 a day for 2 months
    A total of 450mg garlic per day
    I had No issues no odor no flavor no gas or bloating
    And was finally Cured

    ( The modern garlic pills deliver the sulfer but have no taste )
    Garlic and cabbage and onions and kimchee are the necessary gut foods to prevent UTI
    Last edited by NC Susan; 03-20-2017 at 10:02 PM. Reason: Fix dosage amount mentioned

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    Wife took Cipro for an abscessed tooth. Took her five years and many thousands of dollars to recover. A naturopath did the job after doctors told her it was something she would have to live with.

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    I was prescribed Cipro when a rooster spurred my leg and the wound became infected. I took it for five days and quit. It caused me severe insomnia and, when I was able to sleep for a few minutes, I had the stupidest dreams ever. When I read all the possible side effects, like ruptured tendons, I decided it would have to be life or death before I would take it again.

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    I've been on cipro for week now. No ill effects.

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    You and your links convinced ME.
    And, not only will I now never take it, but
    I think I'm going to trash my medical "preps" of CIPRO, that I ordered when the ANTHRAX SCARE HIT.

    I don't know if I ever took it in the past.
    My doctor Did say my biceps hurt because the ligaments snapped and the bicep are not connected to the bone any more.
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    Maybe this is why my right shoulder started going bad just about the same time I had my cataract surgery.

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    Medicine will KILL YOU
    We just had a family funeral on Friday

    My twins grandfather ( paternal 63 years old) went for MRI scan for a backache on Tues
    He walked in to the hospital
    They Administered the MRI dye, and pain meds and he reacted IMMEDIATELY and his kidneys shut down
    OFF TO ICU
    Uremic poison hit his brain- dementia - he never regained consciousness
    Respirator for his white out lungs so he swelled to double his size
    his lungs failed - brain dead
    Finally his heart stopped
    Healthy to dead in 16 hours
    Was his wife birthday
    GrandKids and his wife and sons are still traumatized and are still in shock
    I am sad as can be

    I am just a curios rookie so researched the drug Ablavar on www.rxlist.com and those with kidney impairment or adrenal insufficiency can not take it
    BUT 20% of citizens are unaware of any kidney issues ( he never documented or complained or was tested ) and doctors tend not to check
    Sugar and caffein intake are very high in American diets causing silent kidney diseases
    Be very careful folks
    The hospital has been appologizing and the Drs admitted they had never been warned of death as a side effect of the pain pill of maybe it was the MRI dye

    Hospital Autopsy only says "heart failure"
    Last edited by NC Susan; 03-20-2017 at 11:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ainitfunny View Post
    You and your links convinced ME.
    And, not only will I now never take it, but
    I think I'm going to trash my medical "preps" of CIPRO, that I ordered when the ANTHRAX SCARE HIT.

    I don't know if I ever took it in the past.
    My doctor Did say my biceps hurt because the ligaments snapped and the bicep are not connected to the bone any more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Martinhouse View Post
    Maybe this is why my right shoulder started going bad just about the same time I had my cataract surgery.
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    And last fall the neighbor kid (27 years old) took a prescription cold pack with her prescription mood elevators ( i think its Paxil?? ) while on a mini vacation and she ended up in ICU in Charleston with a seratonin brain disfunction
    Home 3 days later

    Pharmacist is the only person i trust with medication information
    Plus drugs react differently with each person
    Drs get a few hours training in university and then are at the mercy of drug rep information

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC Susan View Post
    Medicine will KILL YOU
    We just had a family funeral on Friday

    My twins grandfather ( paternal 63 years old) went for MRI scan for a backache on Tues
    He walked in to the hospital
    They Administered the MRI dye, and pain meds and he reacted IMMEDIATELY and his kidneys shut down
    OFF TO ICU
    Uremic poison hit his brain- dementia - he never regained consciousness
    Respirator for his white out lungs so he swelled to double his size
    his lungs failed - brain dead
    Finally his heart stopped
    Healthy to dead in 16 hours
    Was his wife birthday
    GrandKids and his wife and sons are still traumatized and are still in shock
    I am sad as can be

    I am just a curios rookie so researched the drug Ablavar on www.rxlist.com and those with kidney impairment or adrenal insufficiency can not take it
    BUT 20% of citizens are unaware of any kidney issues ( he never documented or complained or was tested ) and doctors tend not to check
    Sugar and caffein intake are very high in American diets causing silent kidney diseases
    Be very careful folks
    The hospital has been appologizing and the Drs admitted they had never been warned of death as a side effect of the pain pill of maybe it was the MRI dye

    Hospital Autopsy only says "heart failure"
    My husband's uncle died (eventually) from the DYE given him for a kidney scan.

    They "forgot" he had only ONE kidney (he had donated the other to save his own brother years ago) and thus gave him the normal amount of dye---for a "normal" person--with TWO kidneys...even though his chart CLEARLY said he had ONLY ONE kidney.

    It poisoned the ONE kidney he had left, leaving it non-functional.

    He was on dialysis, twice a week, for the rest of his life--until the hell of having dialysis so wore him down that he just told his wife he'd had enough, refused further dialysis treatments, and was gone within about 10 days.


    Another near "death-by-hospital" was the experience of a co-worker of my husband's. She went in for a "routine" colonoscopy. They somehow PUNCTURED her intestine. Massive infection set in and she very nearly died and was out of work for six months.


    I'm scared of almost "any" procedure after the horror stories above.


    As for CIPRO---I can take it, but i have noticed my arthritis getting much worse when I do--body aches all over as though I have the flu. It makes my husband extremely irrational and unreasonable, it makes my oldest son foggy-headed and unable to think well enough even to simply process speech, and it makes my middle son completely suicidal after only a few days on the drug.

    I, too, had purchased a supply for "preps"---and because so many in my family are allergic either to penicillin or cephalosporin antibiotics, or both. Also, I myself am extremely allergic to sulfa drugs (anaphalaxic shock) as is my oldest son---so our antibiotic choices are limited. But I think I "will" throw out the Cipro. And I won't TOUCH Levaquin---I've read in even the MSM how even ONE dose can kill, sometimes within hours, as it reacts with that individual's own body chemistry---and there is no way to predict beforehand how or whether someone will have a reaction, and no way to stop such a reaction once it occurs.
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    Fluoroquinolones Are Too Risky for Common Infections
    The FDA advises restricting use of popular antibiotics such as Cipro due to dangerous side effects.
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    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is advising against prescribing fluoroquinolones, a group of antibiotics that includes drugs such as Cipro and Levaquin, to treat three common illnesses —bronchitis, sinus infections, and urinary tract infections. The agency issued the new recommendations after a safety review revealed that fluoroquinolones can cause disabling and potentially permanent side effects that affect the tendons, muscles, joints, nerves, and central nervous system.

    “I am living proof that the risks in using a fluorquinolone to treat a routine infection far outweighs the benefits,” says Rachel Brummert, 45, of Charlotte, North Carolina.

    Last November, Brummert addressed a panel of experts convened by the FDA and described the ever-worsening series of health problems, including 10 ruptured tendons and progressive nerve damage, she’s suffered as side effects of taking Levaquin for a suspected sinus infection in 2006. Brummert, the executive director of the Quinolone Vigilance Foundation, was one of more than 30 people who spoke during the open public hearing portion of the meeting about how the drugs had an impact on their lives.
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    The FDA convened the expert advisory panel to review evidence on the safety of using fluoroquinolones to treat common infections. In the end, the 21-member panel voted overwhelmingly that, in most cases, the benefit of fluoroquinolones to treat bronchitis, sinus infections, and urinary tract infections was outweighed by rare, but serious harms, including irregular heartbeats, depression, nerve damage, ruptured tendons, and seizures.

    Currently, those three illnesses account for nearly one-third of all fluoroquinolones prescribed outside of hospitals in the U.S. according to data presented by Janssen Pharmaceuticals, makers of Levaquin, at the FDA meeting. That overprescribing of the potent antibiotics is exposing patients to needless risk the panel concluded. While fluoroquinolones are essential for treating serious infections such as anthrax, for more common infections, other treatments typically work just as well with less risk.
    Rampant Overprescribing

    The new FDA ruling calling for restricted use of fluoroquinolones affects five prescription antibiotics: ciprofloxacin (Cipro), levofloxacin (Levaquin), moxifloxacin (Avelox), ofloxacin (Floxin), and gemifloxacin (Factive). All are also available as generics.

    Much of the evidence on the risks of the drugs emerged after the drugs were on the market and used by millions of patients. While medical organizations such as the Infectious Diseases Society of America have updated their guidelines to advise against prescribing fluoroquinolones for milder garden-variety infections—including most cases of bronchitis, sinus infections, and urinary tract infections—many doctors haven’t gotten the message. That's likely because these powerful antibiotics work against a wide variety of bacteria, says Lindsey R. Baden, M.D., an infectious disease physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts, an associate professor at Harvard Medical School, and a member of the FDA panel. That can lead to overprescribing.

    “Fluoroquinolones play an important role in treating serious infections such as those caused by bacteria that are resistant to other types of antibiotics,” says Baden. But in the case of less severe illnesses such as a mild bacterial sinus infection or uncomplicated bladder infection, the drugs “should typically be reserved for second-line or even third-line treatment after other antibiotics have failed,” says Baden.
    Fluoroquinolones. Image: Sick man blowing nose.
    When to Say 'No' to Cipro and Similar Drugs

    Below we’ve listed three types of infections where fluoroquinolones are often not the best first choice for treatment along with our medical advisers’ advice about what to do instead.

    Sinus infections. “The vast majority of sinus infections are caused by a virus, not a bacteria and antibiotics don’t work against viruses,” says Baden. Even if bacteria are responsible, the infection will typically clear up on its own in a week or so. An antibiotic such as amoxicillin may be warranted if your symptoms last longer than a week, start to improve and then worsen, or are very severe—accompanied by a fever of 101.5 or higher, for example, or extreme pain and tenderness over your sinuses. For more information see Choosing Wisely recommendations from the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology.
    Urinary tract infections (UTIs). If you have symptoms of a urinary tract infection such as having to urinate frequently, pain or burning when you go, cloudy or bloody urine, and a fever, you may need an antibiotic to treat the infection. Several types of antibiotics are effective against uncomplicated bladder infections; fluoroquinolones are typically only necessary if the infection is resistant to other antibiotics or has spread to the kidneys. Note that people aged 65 and older often have bacteria in their urine, but do not need to be tested or treated for a UTI unless they have symptoms. For more information see Choosing Wisely recommendations from the American Geriatric Society.
    Bronchitis. As with sinus infections, most cases of bronchitis, or chest colds, are caused by a virus and are not helped by taking an antibiotic. (Read our advice on what to do ease symptoms while your body fights the infection.) One exception: patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a condition that causes difficulty breathing, may benefit from antibiotics if they develop symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization. In that case, the best choice of drug depends on the several factors, including which bacteria are prevalent in your area. For more information on using antibiotics to treat respiratory illness in children see Choosing Wisely recommendations from the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    All Antibiotics Have Risk

    Brummert says that she applauds the FDA for "making patient safety a priority" by acting on the advisory panel’s recommendations. “Curbing unnecessary prescribing of fluoroquinolones will save thousands of Americans from needless suffering,” she says.

    Baden points out that all antibiotics—not just fluoroquinolones—should be used more thoughtfully.

    “Really, I think the labels for all antibiotics should be strengthened to remind doctors and patients that when the drug is unwarranted, prescribing it has no benefit and exposes patients to needless risk, however small that risk may be,” says Baden. “Antibiotics are overused; as a community we need to be having these conversations about better prescribing based on the balance of benefits to harms.”


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    I try to never take antibiotics. Have had to for blood poisoning, ruptured colon, and cellulitis, caused by e-coli. Won't take it otherwise, if I can help it. Had both Ciprofloxacin and Levaquin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Levaquin saved both RELIC and I twice for bacterial pneumonia.....
    Me too, mycoplasma. However there's real truth in that article. I shredded in several joints mostly large joints, but then small ones eventually. Top it off with a stage 2 Lyme infection which also harms joints and these days
    my health sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Levaquin saved both RELIC and I twice for bacterial pneumonia.....
    This! Yes these are very powerful drugs that should not be given out lightly; but while I had some pretty nasty side effects, Cipro helped me get rid of a few post operative infections and one my husband nearly died from.

    ALL medications, especially the really powerful ones have side effects; ALL have some nasty or even fatal side effects in some people (allergies alone can do that if it hits the "wrong" button) so while I am very sorry this women's health was ruined by her medications and she has a perfect right to demand why and make sure that the rules for proscribing them (and follow up) were provided in her case; heck I don't know she might even have grounds for a law suit; in general people are proscribed this drug (and its friends) when other antibiotics have failed.

    Does than mean a lone GP might proscribe them too quickly? Of course that can happen, but it doesn't stop it from being a very useful drug and one of the FEW left that still works on MOST really bad infections; it already doesn't working against everything (nothing does) and unless there is some serious research into new antibiotics (or ways of treating what antibiotics treat via different methods aka see the Russians) then soon we will no longer be seeing articles like this; instead we will see articles like "how an old disease killed all three of my children in 24 hours"...that's a real "headline" from my own family's past; happened around 1900 or so...
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    Scary stuff!!! Just started taking doxycycline for a head-exploding sinus headache(and likely sinus infection) 6 days ago. Saw this just now and went to the FDA warning. Thank God it's not on that list...
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    I am well acquainted with the side effects of Cipro and Levoquin. After taking them I suffered horrible tendon ruptures in my legs. The first I turned my ankle which then led to a dangerous blood clot in the calf of my leg, and a week in the hospital.

    The second one on Levoquin for uti, and I was walking in my living room when suddenly it felt like I was hit hard in the back of my leg with a hammer. I went straight down on the floor. I had a ruptured tendon.

    It's in my medical files to not give me any of these.

    I have no idea what all these drugs may have done to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    I've been on cipro for week now. No ill effects.
    Be careful of exerting yourself. Be careful even of how you stretch your arms, how you pivot on your feet etc. The smallest movements can cause a ruptured. All my large joints are affected after my second course of Levaquin. Too bad I took 3 more courses after that but it was the only thing my pneumonia responded to.

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    So we've got like half the thread saying these things are a problem and the other half telling stories of how they successfully took these things and they fixed the problem.

    So is this thing a problem or not??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    So we've got like half the thread saying these things are a problem and the other half telling stories of how they successfully took these things and they fixed the problem.

    So is this thing a problem or not??
    The unhappy reality is that even with the options that "modern" medicine gives us there oftentimes is no "safe" way forward. And that as we age our chances of withstanding possible side-effects without serious, longterm consequences goes appreciably down.

    Humans were designed to live long enough to procreate and raise their young, that's it. And every year beyond that will likely be increasingly prone to pain and suffering of varying durations despite modern medicine, (and sometimes because of it).
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    Levaquin put me into the back of a rescue squad a few years back. Was taking it for prostatitis and had only been on it for a couple of days, went outside on a nice warm spring day and was face down almost passed out for extreme dehydration within 15 minutes. Made it back into the air conditioning with elevated blood pressure, severe cramps running down both arms, and very light-headed. And all I could think about was my daughters are going to watch their dad die right in front of them while the medic worked on me. Got to the hospital and the Dr. figured it out it was a reaction to the Levaquin. Now here we are a few years later and I seem to have all kinds of arthritic problems that a man of 53 years shouldn't be having already. I steer clear of all Flouroquines now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medical Maven View Post
    The unhappy reality is that even with the options that "modern" medicine gives us there oftentimes is no "safe" way forward. And that as we age our chances of withstanding possible side-effects without serious, longterm consequences goes appreciably down.

    Humans were designed to live long enough to procreate and raise their young, that's it. And every year beyond that will likely be increasingly prone to pain and suffering of varying durations despite modern medicine, (and sometimes because of it).
    People absolutely refuse to believe in tradeoffs, not realizing that every decision involves a tradeoff. The trick is to make sure you know what you are trading and whether it is worth it.

    The thread above is classic. There is a tradeoff there. Unfortunately, not all know what they were trading.
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    Interesting thread. We used Levaquin and Rocephin all the time for pneumonia. Now they have stopped using it all of a sudden. The standard treatment they switched to now is Rocephin and Vancomycin. I wondered why it changed all of a sudden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy in OK View Post
    My mother took cipro last fall and almost died. She is 88 and fairly active. She had a UTI and taking this medicine. She was so ill that she decided to go to bed and told my dad to check on her later, she might be gone. My dad called my older sister and told her what she said. My sister called me and I said I would meet her at parents. It was about 8 or 9 pm. I went in to see her. She was very ill. I called the ambulance. All the sodium in her body was gone, along with potassium and magnesium. She wasn't far from death. Now she has to eat 2 small pkg. of Lays potato chips and practically pour salt on her food and is just now getting all the sodium her body needs. She has many health problems now such as taking 4 blood pressure pills plus an itchy rash that comes and goes.
    Doctors are told by the makers of this antibiotic to never give it to anyone over the age of 62.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troke View Post
    People absolutely refuse to believe in tradeoffs, not realizing that every decision involves a tradeoff. The trick is to make sure you know what you are trading and whether it is worth it.

    The thread above is classic. There is a tradeoff there. Unfortunately, not all know what they were trading.
    Actually, the problem is, NO ONE KNEW what they were *potentially* trading.

    And doctors are a HUGE problem here.

    My DD nearly died last year, when her doctor put her on some super heavy duty "broad spectrum" antibiotic (I swear I've blocked the name if it, after seeing the hell she went through... I have a near photographic memory, but I can NEVER remember the name of that damned drug!)

    Anyway, she had a sinus infection that ampicillin didn't help (big surprise- not). So instead of going up one level to a stronger drug that was still relatively safe, he "brought out the big guns". She developed diarrhea so severe she spent half of her Florida vacation in the ER, and it took literally SIX MONTHS to get her gut straightened back out. And it was completely unnecessary in the first place!

    I have Cipro and Levaquin on hand in the preps, and I'm not throwing them out. *they have their place*. But that place is "are you going to die or become permanently disabled from severe lung scarring if we can't get this pneumonia under control?", not "hey, you've got mild prostatitis.. let's get this treated fast with this gigantic, dangerous hammer of a drug"!

    I *always* ask a doctor "is there an older/cheaper/safer drug that could be used for this"... whatever the problem is. And you'd be amazed at how often there is one... but he was going to prescribe the newest, fanciest med because, well... that's what the drug company rep was pushing last week! Quite often, you can get by with an antibiotic that will work just fine, and has much lower chances of severe side effects, but you'll have to take it 3-4x a day, rather than once. For some people, that "convenience" is worth it. But I wonder how many would still think that after reading this thread?

    Also, I should note that I take a lot of continuing education classes and read a ton of "professional level" information on health, medicine, drugs, etc. It's interesting to note that for both bronchitis and sinus infections, the "gold standard" for treatment these days is to NOT use antibiotics at all, at least in the first 2 weeks. Apparently, treating with Mucinex or it's equivalent, drinking lots of fluids and applying 'tincture of time" works as well statistically as going at treatment with both barrels blasting, using heavy-duty antibiotics, etc. Bronchitis, especially, is pretty much "you'll get over it in 14 days with this antibiotic... if you don't take anything, and just treat the symptoms, it will take 2 weeks". Given the fact that NO antibiotic is 100% safe for everyone, it makes sense to rethink the "give me a script" culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    So we've got like half the thread saying these things are a problem and the other half telling stories of how they successfully took these things and they fixed the problem.

    So is this thing a problem or not??
    They are for some people. Unfortunately, nobody can know ahead of time how it will affect them.

    Just like any drug. Some people have no effect after 4 cups of coffee, and others are shaky and twitchy 1/2 way through their second.

    Some people are full out drunk after a bottle of wine, and others don't feel any effect at all.

    In this case, the side effects are so severe that unless it is life/death, don't take them!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    So we've got like half the thread saying these things are a problem and the other half telling stories of how they successfully took these things and they fixed the problem.

    So is this thing a problem or not??
    Both - like statin drugs which I can't take (because I get the same symptoms describe here with these drugs) for some people they are miracles and even more important then the long-term effects statins on people they DO work for; these antibiotics can SAVE LIVES in the short term.

    That doesn't mean they can't make some people extremely ill or that one should watch for serious side effects; heck I'm going to watch now the next time I have to take Cipro as having fybro a lot of medications make the muscle issues worse and the side effects might be lost as my thinking I just had another episode.

    It also doesn't help that many older (and some younger) doctors don't really listen to patients or they don't have time too; so you call and say "doc I'm really feeling terrible, my legs hurt like crazy and I'm having trouble functioning since I started this medication" and the doctor may say something like "just try to relax, this is a known side effect" as if that make it OK or as if your pain might not be a symptom of actual damage happening.

    I know all about this because every time I go to a new doctor (or mandatory new clinic) I get the stealth statin attack; this last time it was a sweet, baby faced young women talking about "the tiny little pill" they would give me "take all the problem away."....

    Yep, and probably put me in the hospital and quite possibly in a wheel chair; I'd rather look for alternative treatments thank you...

    The problem is the doctor knows in many cases the only alternative to Cipro (and the other high-power oral antibiotics) is the "alternative" is the hospital on an IV; so if your insured your insurance company won't like that and if your not insured (or covered by some program) you might very well refuse to go and/or have a huge medical bill; not to mention the risk of further and worse MRSA infections (or why they sent my husband back to the B and B about two days after surgery this time; he was close enough to come back if needed but out of the infected ward).
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Actually, the problem is, NO ONE KNEW what they were *potentially* trading.

    And doctors are a HUGE problem here.

    My DD nearly died last year, when her doctor put her on some super heavy duty "broad spectrum" antibiotic (I swear I've blocked the name if it, after seeing the hell she went through... I have a near photographic memory, but I can NEVER remember the name of that damned drug!)

    Anyway, she had a sinus infection that ampicillin didn't help (big surprise- not). So instead of going up one level to a stronger drug that was still relatively safe, he "brought out the big guns". She developed diarrhea so severe she spent half of her Florida vacation in the ER, and it took literally SIX MONTHS to get her gut straightened back out. And it was completely unnecessary in the first place!

    I have Cipro and Levaquin on hand in the preps, and I'm not throwing them out. *they have their place*. But that place is "are you going to die or become permanently disabled from severe lung scarring if we can't get this pneumonia under control?", not "hey, you've got mild prostatitis.. let's get this treated fast with this gigantic, dangerous hammer of a drug"!

    I *always* ask a doctor "is there an older/cheaper/safer drug that could be used for this"... whatever the problem is. And you'd be amazed at how often there is one... but he was going to prescribe the newest, fanciest med because, well... that's what the drug company rep was pushing last week! Quite often, you can get by with an antibiotic that will work just fine, and has much lower chances of severe side effects, but you'll have to take it 3-4x a day, rather than once. For some people, that "convenience" is worth it. But I wonder how many would still think that after reading this thread?

    Also, I should note that I take a lot of continuing education classes and read a ton of "professional level" information on health, medicine, drugs, etc. It's interesting to note that for both bronchitis and sinus infections, the "gold standard" for treatment these days is to NOT use antibiotics at all, at least in the first 2 weeks. Apparently, treating with Mucinex or it's equivalent, drinking lots of fluids and applying 'tincture of time" works as well statistically as going at treatment with both barrels blasting, using heavy-duty antibiotics, etc. Bronchitis, especially, is pretty much "you'll get over it in 14 days with this antibiotic... if you don't take anything, and just treat the symptoms, it will take 2 weeks". Given the fact that NO antibiotic is 100% safe for everyone, it makes sense to rethink the "give me a script" culture.

    Summerthyme
    Bingo, very good advice based on experience...
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    That's why they call the art and science of medicine a "practice". The doc AND patient should weigh the pro's and con's of any treatment.

    Now, I'll wager that these drugs have saved more people than they have damaged, but every body is different, and ultimately, YOU are the one responsible for asking questions and weighing risks with your doctor's advice.

    As with everything, take personal responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by night driver View Post
    Levaquin saved both RELIC and I twice for bacterial pneumonia.....



    This^^^ I'm allergic to almost all of the antibiotics out there, got deathly ill with bacterial pneumonia this past winter and had to do two rounds of levaquin to shake it, and then a second antibiotic to get rid of a sinus and lung infection (that wasn't pneumonia related). And yes it does play hell with one's body! This time around I was smart and I knew about probiotics, and magnesium citrate!

    If you're in severe pain from having taken levaquin or cipiro then take magnesium citrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troke View Post
    People absolutely refuse to believe in tradeoffs, not realizing that every decision involves a tradeoff. The trick is to make sure you know what you are trading and whether it is worth it.

    The thread above is classic. There is a tradeoff there. Unfortunately, not all know what they were trading.

    The trick is to make sure you know what you are trading and whether it is worth it.
    And THAT is the "money quote" of the day, (even if your life is on the line).
    The longer you can hold out,
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    Once the balloon goes up and their is no scrips available, then what will you do if you do not have antibiotics stored????

    Store antibiotics including sulfa drugs and print out the drug facts including warnings and side effects and keep with the antibiotics....

    If your life depends on using something that you would not wish to use, then the choice is yours....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    So we've got like half the thread saying these things are a problem and the other half telling stories of how they successfully took these things and they fixed the problem.

    So is this thing a problem or not??
    Drugs affect people variously. Very bad side effects can happen with some, not with others. Up the thread explains that people with even undiagnosed kidney problems will have bad effects. Every body is unique. And people can develop sensitivities to drugs. I personally can take hardly any drugs. Anaphylactic shock ain't pretty, nor is non-stop vomiting....
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    Does anyone know what a Z_PAC contains that is usually given for Bronchitis?

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    12 years working as a RN in an ER, no telling how many GALLONS of Levaquin I've pumped into patients??? I've not had one complaint or return visit from anyone with the above complaints. It is not a reserve antibiotic, has no black box warning. It works. Same for Cipro/Doxy/Bactrim/Vanc/Rocephin. Some people have allergies, some have sensitivities. IF you have a bacterial infection, IF you are septic, you want these. I'm not hooking you up to a tea leaf/garlic/elderberry/silver drip in my ER. My SHTF larder is stocked heavily with all these (except Vanc). I'll use them as will all in our MAG (which includes two MD's).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoner View Post
    Does anyone know what a Z_PAC contains that is usually given for Bronchitis?
    It's Zithromax, another first line abx, good stuff. Take it with Advil Sinus (with the real Pseudophed) they're liquid gel caps sold BEHIND THE COUNTER. Of course the provision would be if you are allergic to it.
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