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    Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution To Make Healthcare A Right

    By Nicholas Ballasy March 19, 2017

    WASHINGTON – Billionaire entrepreneur and owner of the Dallas Mavericks Mark Cuban criticized the Congressional Budget Office’s use of a 10-year score to determine the effects of the Republicans' American Health Care Act and said the U.S. Constitution should be amended to make healthcare a right.

    Cuban compared the CBO’s use of a decade timeframe to the ABC television show Shark Tank, where he stars as one of the investors that hears pitches from business owners. He said one- to four-year timeframes are better but “marginally predictable.”

    “You’re not going to be able to predict anything,” Cuban said during a discussion hosted by the new media company Axios on Wednesday. “What happens in one year? What happens in two years? What happens in three or four years? Those are the only numbers that are marginally predictable. The idea that we’re trying to create what I call headline porn – 24 million lose insurance; $337 billion in savings over 10 years – if someone came on Shark Tank and said ‘here’s what we’re going to do in 10 years’ you would be out of there in 30 seconds, yet that’s the number we’re using to try to make a point in the media. It’s ridiculous.”

    Cuban explained that he personally supports modifying the U.S. Constitution to make healthcare a right for all Americans and creating a single-payer healthcare system for chronic illnesses.


    “I think healthcare should be a right. If there’s a legitimate way to modify the Constitution, I literally think there should be an amendment to the Constitution for healthcare for chronic illnesses and serious injury. We all play the genetic lottery,” he said.

    PJM asked Cuban why he thinks a single-payer healthcare system for catastrophic coverage would work in the United States.

    “I think by creating a single-payer system just for chronic illnesses and for life-threatening illnesses – not everything, right?
    And we do some of that with Medicaid and Medicare already, but just get it out on the table. Then, I think, from a cost perspective all of a sudden all of the corporations that provide healthcare, their costs go down dramatically so that’s one big benefit,” he said during an interview at the event.

    “Everybody who has that uncertainty of not knowing if something goes really wrong in their family – what they are going to do – that goes away so, I think that makes people a lot more productive and a lot more self-sufficient. And in terms of having to pay for it, well, you know, I think by just dealing with the issues and obviously there’s always that risk – the libertarian in me says, ‘OK, it could always be mis-run by doing that’ but I think you reduce the bureaucracy so this wouldn’t be single-payer insurance,” he added.

    Under Cuban’s proposal, someone would be able to walk into the hospital, their digital patient records would be accessible and they would receive healthcare for a chronic illness. He said Americans would have to be willing to give up “a little privacy.”

    “I think all of the talk about Trumpcare vs. Obamacare really just avoids the ultimate question, which is, is healthcare a right or not? And I don’t think, you know, if you look at my pinkies, they are a mess because when I was playing rugby and basketball and they were popping in and out, I couldn’t afford insurance – that stuff should not be covered,” he said. “But I’ve had friends who have had cancer, we’ve all had people who have had severe illnesses and if they didn’t have insurance. In a couple cases, I’ve since paid for them because they didn’t have insurance or enough insurance. I think that’s wrong – that’s a cost we all should share.”

    Some Republicans have argued that the federal government could not operate a healthcare system effectively for every American, citing the problems experienced at Veterans Affairs hospitals.

    “There are ways to deal with the bureaucracy, but let’s focus on dealing with the bureaucracy so the doctors can deal with taking care of people’s health. I would rather fight that battle than fight the nuance of what’s chronic and what’s not chronic, rather than, ‘You know what? You are shit-out-of-luck,’” he said.

    Cuban said the government-paid catastrophic coverage could lower healthcare costs for insurance companies and help consumers.

    “Pre-Obamacare, the insurance companies knew it was coming, right. They could have pushed rates down, but healthcare costs kept on going up,” he said.

    “The taxes we pay now, the money that’s being paid to insurance companies now, the money that’s being paid by employers who are self-insuring, for all these things – these are all the greatest risks insurance companies face,” he added.

    Cuban said he would like to see the Trump administration reduce the size of government and use that money to provide more services to Americans.

    “As a libertarian, I think we can reduce employment in government by at least a third, reduce the overhead and administration by that much or more so that we can offer more services for our citizens,” he said. “When it comes down to it, where I tend to disagree with everybody, and this is the libertarian in me, I’m happy to push down the size of government and make government more efficient because more money can pass through the government and help the people who need it.”

    “That’s what needs to change – not ‘because we can’t manage government, let’s not deal with the healthcare of our citizens.’”


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    Health care is a right! You have a right to it just the government is not constitutionally required to provide you with it. The same for many other things like education, job, a home or food.

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    There is a difference between "needs" or "wants" and "rights".
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    by "Right" Cuban means the government FORCING you to swallow what they put forth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick Electra View Post
    by "Right" Cuban means the government FORCING you to swallow what they put forth.
    If you have insurance now you're still being forced to cover every person who is uninsured, or under insured. The hospitals and clinics pass the costs onto us. When I questioned the billing office about this the manager told me they have no choice in the matter it's all because of what Medicaid/Medicare requires them to do.
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    Sure, make it constitutional so they can kill off the rest of us.
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    Cuban is a POS. And I don't just mean Person Of Stupidity.

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    Let Cuban pay for it.
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    if we can have that as a law - I want the law that we get to have sex any time we want it - how about the free clothing law - I think the gooberment is obligated to provide free communications & electronic entertainment ....

    shouldn't all the major sports be free to attend & watch? - wait - wait - wait .... Mark Cuban has a problem with that Utopia wet dream
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    This man has an opinion. WOW. Big news. NOT.

    Until he's willing to sit in the windowless office and go over the numbers and start writing policy/law within the limits of the Constitution (and question the profit margins of hospital, health insurance cos & big pharma)... to make it work out for all kinds of different people...

    he can shut his pie hole.

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    Cuban can pay for it via a 100% tax on every nickel he makes for the rest of his life.

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    Instead of making it an amendment, why not overhaul Medicaid and Medicare instead? I thought that that's what these programs were for? Wouldn't MS be considered something that would fall under one of those programs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacajawea View Post
    This man has an opinion. WOW. Big news. NOT.

    Until he's willing to sit in the windowless office and go over the numbers and start writing policy/law within the limits of the Constitution (and question the profit margins of hospital, health insurance cos & big pharma)... to make it work out for all kinds of different people...

    he can shut his pie hole.
    Actually maybe he needs to do just that, it could possibly be an educational experience for him. He's on the tweeter, maybe we should all tweet this to him to do this! Then maybe he'll see just what a fuster cluck programs like Medicaid and Medicare really are, and that they truly need to be overhauled.
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    PW, there's no doubt Medicare/medicaid are just rediculously non-functional in their complexity. And that's before we get the to fraud angles - from providers, as well as recipients. Shoot, just getting the illegals out of the programs would help it look more possible to reform the programs.

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    you know just the amount of tax payer money spent on this whole issue .could of already funded a personal health care /cobra account that would cover every man woman and child in this country from cradle to grave .dental and eye glass as well .thats the real crime here ..as of sept 24 2014 .$824 million was spent of the tax payers money just to bring obama care just to the market
    i am not a socialist or a communist .but if health care was really the issue .the fines that the tobacco companies paid and the tax on tobacco and other sin tax would of funded this.where did that money go .$200 to $365 billion is a lot of money .
    like i said i am not a socialist or a communist but we sit and argue about this and it does nothing.the money is just stolen any way
    the only way out is for one big giant reset for which most of here on this board would not survive

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    While the illegals got help, my husband who is on oxygen 24/7 with a bi pap machine at night plus diabetic injections needed, and his heart meds for his congestive heart failure got back his disability re-determination letter today with a (Denial) of All the health assistance he had been receiving here in TN. Reason? He isn't under 21, he isn't a child, and not under QI1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrk1562 View Post
    you know just the amount of tax payer money spent on this whole issue .could of already funded a personal health care /cobra account that would cover every man woman and child in this country from cradle to grave .dental and eye glass as well .thats the real crime here ..as of sept 24 2014 .$824 million was spent of the tax payers money just to bring obama care just to the market
    i am not a socialist or a communist .but if health care was really the issue .the fines that the tobacco companies paid and the tax on tobacco and other sin tax would of funded this.where did that money go .$200 to $365 billion is a lot of money .
    like i said i am not a socialist or a communist but we sit and argue about this and it does nothing.the money is just stolen any way
    the only way out is for one big giant reset for which most of here on this board would not survive
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    Howdy, Folks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Codeno View Post
    Under Cuban’s proposal, someone would be able to walk into the hospital, their digital patient records would be accessible and they would receive healthcare for a chronic illness. He said Americans would have to be willing to give up “a little privacy.”
    "Give up 'a little privacy.'"

    Uh-huh.

    Here's a scenario for you:

    Among other things, Person One has a brain tumor. In the proposed scenario, we now have patient records available to government; they certainly may be available as public record to say, potential employers - much like tax records.

    Let's face it - if a potential employer has to choose between two candidates for a job, they're gonna choose the one without the brain tumor, even if the one with the brain tumor would potentially do a better job and is better qualified.

    It's called risk assessment and management.

    So, Person One cannot get a job, even though Person One could work.

    The idea of health care coverage for all people in the USA is incredibly appealing - really and truly - that said, is this where we wanna go, folks?

    So, as far as my medical history goes, I think I'd like "a little privacy." Even with Socialized Medicine, it's not too much to ask for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrk1562 View Post
    you know just the amount of tax payer money spent on this whole issue .could of already funded a personal health care /cobra account that would cover every man woman and child in this country from cradle to grave .dental and eye glass as well .thats the real crime here ..as of sept 24 2014 .$824 million was spent of the tax payers money just to bring obama care just to the market
    i am not a socialist or a communist .but if health care was really the issue .the fines that the tobacco companies paid and the tax on tobacco and other sin tax would of funded this.where did that money go .$200 to $365 billion is a lot of money .
    like i said i am not a socialist or a communist but we sit and argue about this and it does nothing.the money is just stolen any way
    the only way out is for one big giant reset for which most of here on this board would not survive

    THIS^^^ I'm not a socialist either, but where did the money go? First obvious answers would be politicians, lobbyists, and attorneys.
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    I think Mark Cuban is going to run for President in 2020......for the Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurane View Post
    I think Mark Cuban is going to run for President in 2020......for the Democrats.
    I think I heard something similar last year. Actually if he had ran this time around there's a good chance he could have beaten trump. He doesn't have the baggage hilldabiotch has and unlike sandpaper actually knows how to make money. Question is he a NBC, I know one of his parents or grandparents is from Russia.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cuban

    Mark Cuban (born July 31, 1958)[3] is an American businessman, investor, author, television personality, and philanthropist. He is the owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks,[4] co-owner of 2929 Entertainment and chairman of the AXS TV.[5] He is also one of the main "shark" investors on the ABC reality television series, Shark Tank. In 2011, Cuban wrote an e-book, How to Win at the Sport of Business, in which he chronicles his life experiences in business and sports.[6]

    Early life[edit]

    Mark Cuban was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.[7][8] His father, Norton Cuban, was an automobile upholsterer,[9][10][11] while Cuban has described his mother, Shirley, as someone with "a different job or different career goal every other week."[12] He grew up in the suburb of Mount Lebanon, in a Jewish[13] working-class family. His paternal grandfather changed the family name from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents, who were also Jewish, came from Romania.[16] Cuban's first step into the business world occurred at age 12, when he sold garbage bags to pay for a pair of expensive basketball shoes.[7][17] At age 16, Cuban took advantage of a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette strike by running newspapers from Cleveland to Pittsburgh.[18]

    Instead of attending high school for his senior year, he enrolled as a full-time student at the University of Pittsburgh where he joined the Pi Lambda Phi International fraternity. While attending the University of Pittsburgh, he held a variety of jobs including a bartender, disco dancing instructor, and a party promoter. After one year at the University of Pittsburgh, he transferred to Indiana University in Bloomington, Indiana, and graduated from the Kelley School of Business in 1981 with a B.Sc. in Business Administration.[19][20] He chose Indiana's Kelley School of Business without even visiting the campus because "it had the least expensive tuition of all the business schools on the top 10 list". During college he had various business ventures, including a bar, disco lessons, and a chain letter.[7][21]
    Business career[edit]

    In 1982, Cuban moved to Dallas, Texas, where he first found work as a bartender,[22][23] and then as a salesperson for Your Business Software, one of the earliest PC software retailers in Dallas. He was fired less than a year later, after meeting with a client to procure new business instead of opening the store.[24]

    Cuban started his own company, MicroSolutions, with support from his previous customers from Your Business Software. MicroSolutions was initially a system integrator and software reseller. The company was an early proponent of technologies such as Carbon Copy, Lotus Notes, and CompuServe.[25] One of the company's largest clients was Perot Systems.[26]

    In 1990, Cuban sold MicroSolutions to CompuServe—then a subsidiary of H&R Block—for $6 million.[27] He made approximately $2 million after taxes on the deal.[28]
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    It's this kind of lack of joined up, Socialist thinking that bankrupts a Country then NOBODY gets any Healthcare, at all.

    It would appear that the only chance of business success this fool has, is in a Cartel, Monopolistic, Anti-Competitive Racketeering Corporate Socialist non-business environment. I bet he's a fan of NAFTA, TTP, and TTIP too.
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    Not seeing any other viable solutions out there I support a "Medicare for all" approach, though I cannot speak to what the tax rate needs to be to support it. At the same time, making healthcare a right would have serious unintended consequences. Rights will lead to lawsuits on the quality and accessibility of care in some areas vs others. Every small town cannot have the options that exist in metro areas for example. Rights infer no-cost care which would also lead to hypochondriacs out there having a field day feeding their neuroses as they consume vast amounts of healthcare.

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    Exactly...

    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    Health care is a right! You have a right to it just the government is not constitutionally required to provide you with it. The same for many other things like education, job, a home or food.
    I have NO desire (or spare cash) to pay for HIV drugs and rectal prolapse surgery for the queers, wire cutters for lesbian mustache removal, estrogen and boob/cooch transplant surgery for the trannies, herpesgonosyphylaids drugs for the bar flies/forever partiers, lung cancer surgery for the tobacco users, amphetamines and lifelong welfare for the chronic potheads who get terminal amotivational syndrome, liver transplants for the alkies, Toxoplasmosis drugs for the inside feline nuts, repeated/multiple melanoma surgery for the "the Sun is our FRIEND" leatherskin-seeking sun worshipers, rabies shots for people that try to domesticate wild animal species, total dentures for the tweakers, IV feeding for the idiots who tried being pure vegan too long, insulin and wheelchairs (latter once the amputations start) for the 350-pounders who got diabetes after their 20,000th stop at DQ/McDonald's, oral cancer surgery for the Skoal/Copenhagen 4-cans-a-week crowd, trauma surgery/PT/home nursing post-paraplegia onset for the snowmobile/motorcycle/ATV users, etc., etc.

    Let every adult pay for their own poor decisions (and worse genetics), and leave my family's household budget out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marsh View Post
    "Care" implies the services of others. One cannot have a right that absolutely claims the services of others. Man has a right to his body and the labor thereof.
    Thank you for saying that!

    "I have a right to your services". I think child care should be a right along with fine dining and high speed internet. Hell this is a democracy lets all just vote to make doctors and nurses and police and firemen slaves of the state. The state will provide room and board and force them work for free at the point of a gun to provide their services to those of us who vote for a living because it is our 'right' to receive them.

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    Having a government-paid healthcare system requires that government also set the reimbursement rate for every procedure. Failing to do that would bankrupt the country in about 5 years. Big Medicine and Big Pharma would never allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    Let Cuban pay for it.
    And all those super wealthy left wing activist that agree with him.

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    Old, but completely on-topic...

    Quote Originally Posted by mistaken1 View Post
    Thank you for saying that!

    "I have a right to your services". I think child care should be a right along with fine dining and high speed internet. Hell this is a democracy lets all just vote to make doctors and nurses and police and firemen slaves of the state. The state will provide room and board and force them work for free at the point of a gun to provide their services to those of us who vote for a living because it is our 'right' to receive them.

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    "At TribLive.com, Ralph R. Reiland, an economics professor in Pittsburgh, thoughtfully compares Dr. Craviotto’s statements with those of Dr. Hendricks, a character in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. In the novel, Dr. Hendricks is a distinguished brain surgeon who quits his profession rather than submit to government controls.


    Reiland reprints a portion of Dr. Hendricks’s explanation of why he quit medicine, but the entire statement is worth reading (or re-reading):

    “I quit when medicine was placed under State control some years ago,” said Dr. Hendricks. “Do you know what it takes to perform a brain operation? Do you know the kind of skill it demands, and the years of passionate, merciless, excruciating devotion that go to acquire that skill? That was what I could not place at the disposal of men whose sole qualification to rule me was their capacity to spout the fraudulent generalities that got them elected to the privilege of enforcing their wishes at the point of a gun. I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward.

    I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything — except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the ‘welfare’ of the patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, but ‘to serve.’

    That a man’s willing to work under compulsion is too dangerous a brute to entrust with a job in the stockyards — never occurred to those who proposed to help the sick by making life impossible for the healthy. I have often wondered at the smugness at which people assert their right to enslave me, to control my work, to force my will, to violate my conscience, to stifle my mind — yet what is it they expect to depend on, when they lie on an operating table under my hands?

    Their moral code has taught them to believe that it is safe to rely on the virtue of their victims. Well, that is the virtue I have withdrawn. Let them discover the kind of doctors that their system will now produce. Let them discover, in their operating rooms and hospital wards, that it is not safe to place their lives in the hands of a man whose life they have throttled. It is not safe, if he is the sort of man who resents it — and still less safe, if he is the sort who doesn’t.”"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurane View Post
    I think Mark Cuban is going to run for President in 2020......for the Democrats.
    Well, he's the genius you're not. At least that's how he bills himself. Personally I'd like to see him get on the spaceship and take that trip he's always dreamed about.
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    Having a government-paid healthcare system requires that government also set the reimbursement rate for every procedure. Failing to do that would bankrupt the country in about 5 years. Big Medicine and Big Pharma would never allow it.
    That is exactly what the Canadian health system does......you know how much each costs and how much of it the .gov will pay. Usually it is 100% unless it is a specialist where there is sometimes an extra payment.

    All drugs cost the same across the country and the .gov tells the pharm co.s what the .gov will pay for each drug......some negotiation, but always the same cost no matter where a patient lives.

    10% of the country's GDP goes to pay for health care in Canada - in USA I believe I read it was double that.......all paid by insurance and patients, except for Medicare.
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