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    Now I could be off, but from what I'm reading we have just gone 7 days of zero sun spots. Just a little FYI for any who have not kept up with it.

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    "On June 28th there were no sunspots, no solar flares, and no CMEs. Even without those forms of solar activity, the aurora australis appeared in force over the frozen continent. What caused the display? We don't know. Sometimes space weather just happens."
    That's rather interesting.
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    Yeah I seen that and there may be an answer for that many have a hard time with it, but it would have to do with magnetic fields.
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    from the OP link http://www.spaceweather.com


    THE SUN LOOKS LIKE A BILLIARD BALL: The sun has now been without spots for 7 consecutive days. Our star looks like an enormous yellow billiard ball:
    The last time sunspots vanished for a whole week was in Dec. 2010--a time when the sun was bouncing back from a long Solar Minimum. In this case, the 7 week interregnum is a sign that a new Solar Minimum is coming.

    The sunspot cycle is like a pendulum, swinging back and forth every 11-years or so between times of high and low sunspot number. The next low is expected in 2019-2020. Between now and then sunspots will become increasingly rare with stretches of days, then weeks, then months of "billiard-ball suns."
    Without sunspots, there will be fewer solar flares and CMEs. However, that doesn't mean space weather will stop. On the contrary, new forms of space weather will rise to the fore, including high doses of cosmic rays, more "space lightning" (sprites), altered states of ham radio propagation, and geomagnetic storms triggered by solar wind streams and co-rotating interaction regions instead of CMEs. Stay tuned for the next phase of the solar cycle.
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    The sun took a early vacation for the 4th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetimer View Post
    from the OP link http://www.spaceweather.com


    THE SUN LOOKS LIKE A BILLIARD BALL: The sun has now been without spots for 7 consecutive days. Our star looks like an enormous yellow billiard ball:
    The last time sunspots vanished for a whole week was in Dec. 2010--a time when the sun was bouncing back from a long Solar Minimum. In this case, the 7 week interregnum is a sign that a new Solar Minimum is coming.
    And a mere three months later a monster quake struck Japan, yes it really has been five years. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=fukishima+quake

    The Fat Man has been prattling on about Sept 6th for the past month now. That's exactly how he says it too, not September 6th, just Sept 6th. so he's either giving a date (no year mentioned or how soon) OR there's some sorry place out there that sounds like Sept 6th that's gonna get nailed by ole mother nature and in a catastrophic way. To be honest at first I thought he was saying Sept Sift/Sith, he's hard to understand sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurane View Post
    Sepsis???
    hmmmm will have to go ask him.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    The site has not up dated yet and see if we got 8 days without sun spots.

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    You may not have noticed but our sun has gone as blank as a cue ball. As in, it’s lost its spots.

    According to scientists, this unsettling phenomenon is a sign we are heading for a mini ice age.

    Meteorologist and renowned sun-watcher Paul Dorian raised the alarm in his latest report, which has sparked a mild panic about an impending “Game of Thrones”-style winter not seen since the 17th century.

    “For the second time this month, the sun has gone completely blank,” Dorian says.

    “The blank sun is a sign that the next solar minimum is approaching and there will be an increasing number of spotless days over the next few years.

    “At first, the blankness will stretch for just a few days at a time, then it’ll continue for weeks at a time, and finally it should last for months at a time when the sunspot cycle reaches its nadir. The next solar minimum phase is expected to take place around 2019 or 2020.”

    According to NASA, the sun goes through a natural solar cycle approximately every 11 years. The cycle is marked by the increase and decrease of sunspots — visible as dark blemishes on the sun’s surface, or photosphere. The greatest number of sunspots in any given solar cycle is designated as “solar maximum.” The lowest number is “solar minimum.”


    “During Solar Max, huge sunspots and intense solar flares are a daily occurrence. Auroras appear in Florida. Radiation storms knock out satellites. Radio blackouts frustrate CB radio as well. The last such episode took place in the years around 2000-2001,” the space agency’s website explained.

    “During solar minimum, the opposite occurs. Solar flares are almost non-existent while whole weeks go by without a single, tiny sunspot to break the monotony of the blank sun. This is what we are experiencing now.”

    Given that the sun is the main driver of all weather and climate, the sinister-sounding “blankness” to which Dorian refers has some experts predicting a “Maunder Minimum” phase similar to one which began in 1645 and which is referred to as the “Little Ice Age.”

    The Maunder Minimum, named after solar astronomer Edward Maunder, lasted for a brutal 70 years and conditions were so cold, the Thames froze over.

    A slightly less intense ice age-like period called the Dalton Minimum — after British meteorologist John Dalton — arrived decades later and lasted from about 1790 to 1830.

    “If history is any guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a cooling impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottommost layer of Earth’s atmosphere — and where we all live,” Dorian says.

    Dorian’s findings back research by professor Valentina Zharkova of Northumbria University, who warned that a predicted sharp decline in solar activity between 2020 and 2050 was a sign that another ice age was coming.

    “I am absolutely confident in our research,” Zharkova said.

    “It has good mathematical background and reliable data, which has been handled correctly. In fact, our results can be repeated by any researchers with the similar data available in many solar observatories, so they can derive their own evidence of upcoming Maunder Minimum in solar magnetic field and activity.”

    And there are other consequences of a sun without spots. Not least for astronauts who face the risk of having their DNA “shattered” by cosmic rays, whose potency surges during periods of solar weakness.

    According to Dorian, cosmic rays surge into the inner solar system “with relative ease” during periods of solar minimum.

    “Solar wind decreases and sun’s magnetic field weakens during solar minimums, making it easier for cosmic rays to reach the Earth,” he explained.

    “This is a more dangerous time for astronauts as the increase in potent cosmic rays can easily shatter a strand of human DNA. Also, during years of lower sunspot number, the sun’s extreme ultraviolet radiation drops and the Earth’s upper atmosphere cools and contracts.

    “With sharply lower aerodynamic drag, satellites have less trouble staying in orbit — a good thing. On the other hand, space junk tends to accumulate, making the space around Earth a more dangerous place for astronauts.”


    This article originally appeared on News.com.au.

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    So much for the man made climate change prattle.

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    Overview
    For the second time this month, the sun has gone completely blank.

    On June 4th, the sun went completely spotless for the first time since 2011 and that quiet spell lasted for about 4 days. Sunspot regions then reappeared for the next few weeks on a sporadic basis, but are once again completely missing from the surface of the sun.

    The blank sun is a sign that the next solar minimum is approaching and there will be an increasing number of spotless days over the next few years.

    At first, the blankness will stretch for just a few days at a time, then it’ll continue for weeks at a time, and finally it should last for months at a time when the sunspot cycle reaches its nadir. The next solar minimum phase is expected to take place around 2019 or 2020.

    The current solar cycle is the 24th since 1755 when extensive recording of solar sunspot activity began and is the weakest in more than a century with the fewest sunspots since cycle 14 peaked in February 1906.



    Sunspot numbers for solar cycles 22, 23 and 24 which shows a clear weakening trend; courtesy Dr. David Hathaway, NASA/MSFC


    Solar cycle 24
    The sun goes through a natural solar cycle approximately every 11 years. The cycle is marked by the increase and decrease of sunspots which are visible dark regions on the sun’s surface and cooler than surroundings. The greatest number of sunspots in any given solar cycle is designated as the “solar maximum" and the lowest number is referred to as the “solar minimum” phase.

    We are currently more than seven years into Solar Cycle 24 and it appears the solar maximum of this cycle was reached in April 2014 during a spike in activity (current location indicated by arrow).



    Going back to 1755, there have been only a few solar cycles in the previous 23 that have had a lower number of sunspots during its maximum phase. The peak of activity in April 2014 was actually a second peak in solar cycle 24 that surpassed the level of an earlier peak which occurred in March 2012. While many solar cycles are double-peaked, this is the first one in which the second peak in sunspot number was larger than the first peak. The sunspot number plot (above) shows a clear weakening trend in solar cycles since solar cycle 22 peaked around 1990.

    While a weak solar cycle does suggest strong solar storms will occur less often than during stronger and more active cycles, it does not rule them out entirely. In fact, the famous "superstorm" known as the Carrington Event of 1859 occurred during a weak solar cycle (number 10). In addition, there is some evidence that most large events such as strong solar flares and significant geomagnetic storms tend to occur in the declining phase of the solar cycle. In other words, there is still a chance for significant solar activity in the months and years ahead. The last solar minimum phase lasted from 2007 to 2009 and it was historically weak. In fact, it produced three of the most spotless days on the sun since the middle 1800’s (bar graph below).




    Consequences of a solar minimum
    Contrary to popular belief, solar minimum is not a period of complete quiet and inactivity as it is associated with numerous interesting changes. First, cosmic rays surge into the inner solar system with relative ease during periods of solar minimum.

    Galactic cosmic rays coming from outside the solar system must propagate upstream against the solar wind and a thicket of solar magnetic fields. Solar wind decreases and sun’s magnetic field weakens during solar minimums making it easier for cosmic rays to reach the Earth.

    This is a more dangerous time for astronauts as the increase in potent cosmic rays can easily shatter a strand of human DNA. Also, during years of lower sunspot number, the sun’s extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV) drops and the Earth’s upper atmosphere cools and contracts. With sharply lower aerodynamic drag, satellites have less trouble staying in orbit— a good thing. On the other hand, space junk tends to accumulate, making the space around Earth a more dangerous place for astronauts.

    Meteorologist Paul Dorian
    Vencore, Inc.

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    QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong; Is this the warmest uptrend cycle in climate? The theory is that man has caused the melting of ice and the warming of the seas greater than on previous cycles. Is this correct or false?

    Thank you

    JH

    ANSWER: No. There are numerous studies that suggest that this particular uptrend in global warming from the low made during 1700s, has been a reaction high and not a new high. I have discussed this with others after running the data through our models, which suggests that we are heading into a lower low than during the 1700s. This may be the worse downturn. If this is correct, we will see larger bouts of famine and migration patterns.

    Here is a chart produced from the sediment cores taken from the Norwegian coastal region. We have been in a progressively lower trend moving colder with each wave.



    We can see that sunspot activity is part of the uptrend during warming periods. Everything is tied together and attempting to reduce the cause of the entire trend to a single factor is very primitive, to say the least.

    Government lies about everything. So why do people believe that they would not lie about climate change when they are using it as a justification to raise taxes? Just follow the money. They are powerless to alter this climate of the earth. We are heading back to historical lows and are most likely going to make new lows. Thank God I will not be here for that. I like global warming. By the time we end up at the low, that should be around 2300. So no worries. Anyone reading this will not be here either.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Housecarl View Post
    So much for the man made climate change prattle.
    dontcha know it's mans fault that there are no spots on the Sun?
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Hour by hour data on the Sun's condition can be obtained here http://www.solarham.net/
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    dontcha know it's mans fault that there are no spots on the Sun?
    Yeah, it's all those damned SUVs driving around on the Sun that is causing it! The pollution they spew out has stopped the sunspots.

    Seriously, though, I have been expecting a long cooling phase for some time now. Living in Texas where it is almost always hot, I would welcome some degree of general cooling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    The site has not up dated yet and see if we got 8 days without sun spots.


    OK; It official we have gone 8 days without the sun showing any spots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    OK; It official we have gone 8 days without the sun showing any spots.
    In looking at the sat views over at solarham.com I wouldn't be surprised if we make it an entire two weeks if not a whole month. It's not just the Sun, it would seem that there's not much space activity going on in our local area at the moment, sorta like the calm before the storm.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    I know it means have a lot of fire wood and/or turf for the Winter if you live as far North as we do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    In looking at the sat views over at solarham.com I wouldn't be surprised if we make it an entire two weeks if not a whole month. It's not just the Sun, it would seem that there's not much space activity going on in our local area at the moment, sorta like the calm before the storm.


    There is a lack of static flowing in and its that activity that makes to sun surface more active and hotter add enough static and the suns surface gets over excited and results in Sun Spots.
    Right now we know with the lack of spots the Sun is in a gradual cool down and I say gradual cool down as the Sun has a great deal of mass to it.
    We go a whole month during mid summer and we may have a very cold winter and or an early and long winter, its had to say and not much we can do about it either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    There is a lack of static flowing in and its that activity that makes to sun surface more active and hotter add enough static and the suns surface gets over excited and results in Sun Spots.
    Right now we know with the lack of spots the Sun is in a gradual cool down and I say gradual cool down as the Sun has a great deal of mass to it.
    We go a whole month during mid summer and we may have a very cold winter and or an early and long winter, its had to say and not much we can do about it either way.
    Local university climate expert, who does not believe in global warming, and has been giving the weather forecasts for decades and has been right nine times out of ten, is saying cold winter, very cold. He hasn't said much about precipitation yet.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Ok; its early in the day but they are calling it! We're going for 9 days in a row with no Sun Spots.

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    so what does that mean in terms of our weather conditions here on earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Now-Later View Post
    so what does that mean in terms of our weather conditions here on earth
    Or perhaps water conditions? I just read about the huge problem of algae and bacteria in Florida and the Gulf Coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    And a mere three months later a monster quake struck Japan, yes it really has been five years. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=fukishima+quake

    The Fat Man has been prattling on about Sept 6th for the past month now. That's exactly how he says it too, not September 6th, just Sept 6th. so he's either giving a date (no year mentioned or how soon) OR there's some sorry place out there that sounds like Sept 6th that's gonna get nailed by ole mother nature and in a catastrophic way. To be honest at first I thought he was saying Sept Sift/Sith, he's hard to understand sometimes.
    Sith - that's a mixture of fifth and sixth. Maybe midnight between the two, or he's just not sure if it's the 5th or 6th.
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    Still no Sun Spots and 11 days in a row and counting.

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    FWIW - in SW OR July and August, and often into Sept, it is HOT HOT HOT. 90s and low 100s common and normal. A day in the 80s is a releif. It's been pretty hot throughout June and so far into July. Starting in a few days it will be in the 70s - even down to 72 - and some days of showers and chances of rain. Both VERY unusual. Pretty much no rain in the summer is SOP, occasional thunderstorms is all. But DAYS of showers/chance rain? Low 70s? Very rare. Maybe no connection, maybe ?
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    Ok; we finally got some Sun Spots (2) and went a 12 day stretch without Sun Spots.

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    Look into this a little more and here is a classic example of how technology can change things when doing a comparison of past events!
    Todays Sun Spots are two tiny ones and back during the Maunder minimum that happened 400 years ago they would not been able to see or detect these two very small sun spots.
    Last edited by Publius; 07-06-2016 at 01:46 PM.

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    Just one micro sized sun spot to day.

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    For what its worth we are spotless again and makes for 19 days spotless days this year. The above link at the top of this thread will take to the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    For what its worth we are spotless again and makes for 19 days spotless days this year. The above link at the top of this thread will take to the website.
    Thank you for the update, I've been working on other stuff and haven't paid much attention to the Sun cycle recently.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    How rare is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marymonde View Post
    How rare is this?
    quite rare, needless to say it's not normal.
    People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance but that is common amongst those who have never accomplished anything in their lives and who have always played it safe not willing to risk failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packyderms_wife View Post
    quite rare, needless to say it's not normal.
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    Ok; As of late we had a few odd days with no sun spots and the last three including today with no sun spots bring up the total number of spotless days to 22 for the year 2016.

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    We have another spotless day and makes for 23 days this year without sun spots.
    The Space Weather website is oparating under the newer high tech where they count even the micro sized sun spots.

    We have people using an older system (Rudolf Wolf Sun Spot Count) and they only count sun spots down to a certin size as a sun spot and and not specks and once it get to a really small size it not counted as a sun spot and if its the only one they will call it and count it as a spotless day. Under the older system we may have a count of 30 to 35 days without sun spots for the year 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius View Post
    We have another spotless day and makes for 23 days this year without sun spots.
    The Space Weather website is oparating under the newer high tech where they count even the micro sized sun spots.

    We have people using an older system (Rudolf Wolf Sun Spot Count) and they only count sun spots down to a certin size as a sun spot and and not specks and once it get to a really small size it not counted as a sun spot and if its the only one they will call it and count it as a spotless day. Under the older system we may have a count of 30 to 35 days without sun spots for the year 2016.


    Ok; Had to search and may sure of a offical count under the older way of conting sun spots and they have counted 27 spotless days VS. 23 under the modern system that will even count the micro size sun spots.
    This is nothing and the number of sun spots per-year is less than prvious norms when you go back review 100+ years worth of data.

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    So at the closing of the year 2016 we had 32 spotless days.

    Under the Rudolf Wolf sun spot count we have so many spotless days and I'm trying to get an acturate count from someone thats keeping track, but it may be somewhere near 100 or more days without sun spots as it does not count the micro spots as a sun spot.


    Pires Corbyn of Weatheraction.com says we have officly entered a mine ice-age and not 2035 or 2020 but 2016 and into the future for who knows how long.

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