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    17 Feds, Nevada rancher facing off over public lands - BLM leaving, post 587

    Posted: Apr 04, 2014 5:52 PM PST Updated: Apr 05, 2014 2:58 PM PST

    BUNKERVILLE, Nev. -- Dozens of armed federal officers are preparing for a showdown with a Nevada cattle rancher regarded by some as an outlaw and a hero by others.

    Rangers and agents from several federal agencies have surrounded a 600,000-acre section of public land and are preparing to move against rancher Cliven Bundy whose cattle have been grazing illegally for the past 20 years.

    "This is the freedom we have in America right now. You got to have your freedom inside that fence there," Bundy said.

    Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy thinks the federal government has overplayed its hand in preparing to round up his cattle.

    Example, there are two fenced spots where the public will be allowed to protest the roundup. A sign inside the fence shows how some people feel about a First Amendment zone.

    During the I-Team's tour with Bundy, a passer-by stopped to offer encouragement.

    "I'm one of your neighbors. I get to look at that every day of my life. Hang in there my friend," his neighbor said.

    "This has become a police state, and this is an example of it right here," Bundy said.

    Miles away, just off the interstate, another fenced area is the where media are allowed. Armed agents in trucks form a wall to prevent anyone from approaching what resembles a military staging area, the heart of the Bundy roundup operation.

    More rangers sit at every road leading into the 600,0000-acres Gold Butte area to prevent the general public from coming in.

    "With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake," Bundy said.

    Bundy has had a long time to sharpen his message. The fight has been building since 1993, when the Bureau of Land Management changed grazing rules for Gold Butte to protect the endangered desert tortoise.

    Bundy refused to go along and stopped paying his fees. Since then, the BLM and federal courts have ordered him to stop letting his cattle roam throughout Gold Butte, and he has ignored the orders because he does not recognize federal authority over the land.

    "My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed," Bundy said.

    The Bundy family was already ranching here long before the Department of Interior was born, and long before tortoises were protected. But federal courts say he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. BLM has long sidestepped the fight in part because of concerns about what might happen, if it tried to round up his 500 or so cattle that even now are grazing on forbidden public lands.

    Bundy says he has always been willing to pay fees but not if it helps to cut his own throat.

    "I got no problem with that. I've tried to pay it to Nevada state, to Clark County. They have some of my money in their coffers right now but I'm not going to pay money for the wrong landlord, and I am not going to pay my money to BLM to manage me out of business," Bundy said, "The federal government has seized Nevada's sovereignty, Nevada's statehood. They have seized Nevada's laws and our public land. We have no access to our public land and that is only a little bit of it."

    Critics say Bundy is being arrogant and that his cattle have caused irreparable harm to Gold Butte's fragile environment.

    Environmentalists forced BLM's hand by threatening to sue in federal court. The bureau will pay nearly a $1 million to a private contractor to round up Bundy's cows, but with dozens of government agents positioned all around the area for what might take weeks or even months, the true cost could be much higher.

    Bundy's cowhands have time to kill because they are prohibited from heading out to work their cattle. And soon enough, there could be no cattle left. The BLM plans to sell off Bundy's herd. Bundy stops short of saying how far he is willing to take it.

    "I've fought this thing legally. I've fought it politically. I've fought it through the media. and I will fight it on the ground if I have to," Bundy said.

    The I-Team has been asking to speak with Cliven Bundy for more than two years. He told the I-Team that while he agreed to speak to other media, he intended to save us until the end, and that could come soon.

    The BLM won't say exactly when the roundup will begin but it could happen as soon as this weekend.

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/251686...r-public-lands

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    Jennifer Spencer • 2 days ago

    As a rancher in Utah, I support Mr. Bundy's cause. The federal agencies are trying to regulate us out of business. The environmental extremists and federal agencies are the ones that are out of control here, not the cattle or Mr. Bundy. They are trying to portray that Mr. Bundy's cattle are responsible for all of the "irreparable damage" caused to these lands. Are there no other wildlife or public use on these lands? Any layman can see that is not the case. The agencies are trying to make the public believe that Mr. Bundy's cattle have damaged the turtle population. Well what most of the public does not know is that when an animal is federally protected, their numbers can only be counted for the ones that are on FEDERAL land. It does not count the ones that are on private or state owned land. The numbers are a sham. I agree with Mr. Bundy's rebellion against paying grazing fees.

    Ranchers pay thousands of dollars every year to maintain and use their grazing land, just to have the federal agencies come in and change the rules due to environmental pressure. For example, A man with a family buys a house. The man pays his bills faithfully every month and maintains his property, but 6 months later, the bank tells the man that he has to move out because his family is killing the grass at the city park. That makes absolutely no sense, right? Not only is it the man's own house, which he has put his own sweat and blood into, but other people use the park too. That is similar to what is happening to Mr. Bundy. So why would he want to continue paying to graze his land when the BLM and environmental groups are trying to run him off it. It is not their land to take away from him. We are dealing with similar issues here in Utah. The elk herds are out of control and now our cattle are being blamed for the range damage. We are being forced to cut back our cattle herds because the elk are eating up all the feed. This puts our cattle and other native wildlife in a tough situation. If anyone has a question about how to treasure and take care of the land, ask a farmer or rancher.

    Why would any rancher want to damage the land that they use to graze? They need it in order for their herds to prosper. We WANT our lands to be clean and prosperous. Our livelihoods depend on it. How is a small time rancher or farmer supposed to protect their land anymore? I think Mr. Bundy is on the right track and I hope the BLM and environmentalists back off, or I fear they could be starting a revolution. I also forgot to mention that the issue with the wild horses, is that these agencies have failed to control their numbers, and now they are out of control. Eating up all the feed and doing much greater damage than the cattle. The horses are sick, mean, and inbred so badly that they are not healthy.

    The agencies have used the excuse that they do not have the funds to control the wild horse population, but now are spending at least 2 million dollars to go gather one man's cattle. That is ridiculous. That is where Iron County commissioners stand, and pretty much all the ranchers and farmers in Utah I think I could safely say.

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    I corresponded with Bundy in the 1990s. We exchanged some research. He is correct on his claims. As a former Mexican holding, the west was primarily governed by law based on Roman Civil Law or "first in time, first in right." For mining, water, homesteading, the person who first discovered or pre-empted the land/resource and put to continuous beneficial use was the owner under state law. (State law governs the creation if property.) The federal patent was a tribunal judgment that the state had determined the owner of first right and that no (Indian or International) treaty obligations stood in the way of recognizing title. This became standardized and formalized under the Homestead Acts.

    The court has formally recognized the "public lands" as meaning lands that have been surveyed and are open to settlement. The feds held onto them by limiting the rate of settlement through the homestead acts, refusing to issue a patent, then by seizing ownership through federalizing them under the Forest Reserves (National forests reserved from the action of the homestead acts) and FLPMA in the 1970s which took ownership of remaining BLM lands. Rather than remaining a fiduciary trustee of the lands for the people of the state in which they lay, the "Federal" government (or all 50 states) seized ownership of the lands. (Lands east of the Mississippi were settled. Federal lands were purchased or donated.)

    Clive has prescriptive water, rights of way and forage rights that were created long before the federal government moved to federalize ownership. As Wayne Hage's court case affirmed, these rights removed sticks from the bundle of property sticks the government claims to "own." (Hages lost on the compensation part, not the property part.) Clive has a right to continuously beneficially use his property and not to surrender it to the feds.
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    Frederick Douglas stated, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

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    I don't know if i can catch any update. I want to know too. I so hope he "wins".

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    http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...EWS/304060012/

    Confrontation between ranchers, federal officials ends in arrest

    ST. GEORGE — A tense encounter Sunday between federal officials and a southern Nevada ranching family ended in a violent arrest, family members who witnessed the incident alleged Sunday.

    At about 4 p.m., federal agents, some dressed in full military gear and wielding mounted sniper rifles, surrounded members of rancher Cliven Bundy’s family as they parked along State route 170 near Bunkerville, south of Mesquite, Ryan Bundy, one of Cliven’s sons, said. Four vehicles had approached the area, all with family members inside, intending to take photos and video of a cattle impoundment the agency ordered this week after a 25-year dispute over cattle grazing on public lands.

    “We were at the mouth of Sheep Trough Road trying to get pictures of the trucks that were hauling our cattle,” Ryan said. “All of sudden 11 other BLM vehicles came driving up and kind of surrounded us. Then two of the trucks drove up on the side of the hill and four guys got out and set up sniper posts; rifles, tripods, the whole bit.”

    The family was told to leave the area and instructed that they were only allowed in a designated “First Amendment Area” at a different section of the highway — the agency had closed to public access large sections of public lands in the area as a safety precaution while rounding up the cattle.

    Most of the family started to leave, but Dave Bundy, 37, stayed behind to continue taking video with an iPad, Ryan said. At that point some of the men from the BLM vehicles attacked Dave, Ryan said, tackling him to the ground. A German Shepherd dog was utilized in the attack.

    “I stayed there long enough to see him struggling on the ground before we drove away,” Ryan said. “We wasn’t doing nothing but filming. If that’s not a violation of our First Amendment rights I don’t know what is.”

    As of Sunday evening, Cliven Bundy said the family had still not seen or heard from Dave Bundy, nor were they aware of his whereabouts or his condition.

    Kristen Cannon, public affairs specialist with the BLM’s Southern Nevada District Office in Las Vegas, said in an email that an individual is in custody, but no details about the arrest would be disclosed “until and unless charges are filed.”

    “The Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service support the public’s right to express opinions peacefully and lawfully,” she said. “However, if an individual threatens, intimidates or assaults another individual or impedes the impoundment, they may be arrested in accordance with local, state or Federal laws.”

    Sunday marked the first reported physical confrontation between family members and the agency since the BLM announced this week it would start impounding cattle that it says has been trespassing on U.S. land without proper grazing permits for more than 25 years.

    In 1993, the BLM lowered the family’s allowed grazing allotments, citing concern for habitat of the federally protected desert tortoise. Bundy responded by no longer paying his grazing fees, sparking a decades-long legal battle.

    Federal judges have twice issued court orders for Bundy to remove his cattle in the past two years.

    The BLM has outlined plans to remove some 900 of the cattle from a 1,200 square-mile rangeland in coming weeks. As of late Sunday, 134 cattle had been impounded in the two days since the start of the impound, according to the agency.

    Bundy and his family members call the agency “thieves,” having argued for years that the agency doesn’t have a right to ownership of the land, which the family has used for grazing for more than a century.

    “This is what happens in a totalitarian state,” Ryan Bundy said of Sunday’s incident with his brother. “America is not the land of the free and the home of the free anymore, and this is the evidence of it.”

    The issue has ignited debate throughout the Southwest, where tensions have been simmering for decades between federal agencies, local governments, ranchers, environmental groups and others debating rights to the region’s vast public lands.

    Dave Miller, a member of the Iron County Commission, which has battled the BLM and various advocacy groups over the management of wild horses, traveled to Nevada Sunday in support of the Bundys, who he said have been victims of hypocrisy on the part of the federal government.

    “They’re down here enforcing the law of trespass, when they themselves are breaking the law of trespass on wild horses,” he said.

    Some animal advocacy groups were applauding the BLM’s effort, though. Many groups have argued for years that the government is rounding up too many mustangs while allowing livestock to feed on ground scientists say is already overgrazed, and at taxpayer expense.

    “Again and again federal judges have said the BLM has the right and duty to remove cattle trespassing in the Gold Butte area to protect desert tortoises and other imperiled species,” said Rob Mrowka, a Nevada-based senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity.

    Follow Mike Donahue and David DeMille on Twitter, @mdonahuedvt and @SpectrumDeMille.
    Frederick Douglas stated, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

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    Nevada BLM State Office
    State Director: Amy Lueders
    Associate State Director: Marci Todd

    Deputy State Director, Natural Resource,
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    http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2...s-to-ultimatum


    BLM responds to ultimatum State director issues letter pledging to remove horses in western range
    CEDAR CITY — After receiving an ultimatum from the Iron County Commission this week about the confiscation of a Nevada rancher’s cattle, officials from the Utah office of the Bureau of Land Management responded Friday with short note promising to work to develop a plan that will remove wild horses off the western range.

    Utah BLM State Director Juan Palma, who met with the Iron County commissioners Thursday, sent an email to Commissioner Dave Miller stating he is committed to working with the county in developing a plan to reduce the number of wild horses currently on the west desert in Iron County.

    “Both the BLM and Iron County have a shared interest in the well-being of the range and all who rely in its health, additionally, our shared interest in the well-being of sustainable populations of our wild horses,” Palma wrote. “With these shared interests this email is to state that Utah BLM will work with Iron County to more fully develop the concept plan we discussed yesterday at the meeting.”

    Palma’s letter was a result of the county commissioners and Iron County Sheriff Mark Gower, followed by Beaver County commissioners and Sheriff Cameron Noel, having sent notice Tuesday to BLM deputy director Neil Kornze and the Nevada BLM state director, Amy Lueders, warning any action taken by the BLM to gather and confiscate Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle would warrant the counties to begin immediately taking steps to reduce the number of feral horses in Southern Utah.

    The counties argue that the BLM has used a lack of resources as the reason for not managing the feral horses, yet it is in the process of spending $2 million to confiscate the Bunkerville rancher’s cattle.

    “The fact that they can spend that kind of money to confiscate his livestock, private property, but they don’t have the money to manage the horses at appropriate levels I find completely objectionable, and it will not be tolerated,” Miller said Tuesday when the commissioners sent the notice.

    The BLM is working around the clock to impound hundreds of Bundy’s cattle left on Clark County public land after the government ordered him to remove them nearly 20 years ago. The BLM maintains Bundy’s grazing rights on federal land were cancelled in 1994, and two federal judges have sided with the BLM.

    But Bundy argues the public lands he grazes his cattle on don’t belong to the federal government but the state of Nevada, giving him a preemptive right to continue grazing.

    Bundy was notified March 19 of the BLM’s intent to confiscate his cattle.

    In addition to the notice Washington, Iron and Beaver counties all passed resolutions over the past three days urging the BLM not to transport Bundy’s confiscated cattle through the three jurisdictions to take them to R Livestock in Monroe. The company has contracted with the federal government to sell the livestock.

    Protestors from several Utah counties picketed the Richfield-area auction house Wednesday to show their objection to owner Scott Robins selling Bundy’s cattle.

    The counties’ resolutions also urged the BLM not to sell Bundy’s cattle in Utah and requested that if residents protest that they remain peaceful and abide by laws.

    “We don’t want them going through our county,” said Washington County Commissioner Alan Gardner. “This is a Nevada issue, and it needs to stay there.”

    Washington County Sheriff Cory Pulsipher said he is concerned about the cattle being brought this county and has been working overtime with county commissioners to do what they can to address the issue.

    “I don’t think Utah should be dragged into the middle of this,” he said. “The BLM is going to have to stop at the port of entry, and they’re going to be met with protestors — mad protestors — and then I’ve got to worry about the potential risk to my deputies and all because they’re bringing us into an issue that isn’t ours to begin with.”

    Gov. Gary Herbert also voiced his opposition of the cattle being auctioned in Utah through his chief of staff, Mike Mower, who said Herbert believed Bundy’s issue is Nevada’s issue and should remain there.

    The BLM is bringing the cattle to Utah after being turned away from auction houses in Nevada.

    Friday, Iron County commissioners met with ranchers from the western range to discuss a possible plan of action for gathering feral horses.

    Officials discussed several options during the three-hour meeting, but nothing was decided because the commissioners still were waiting to hear from Palma at the time.

    The group plans to meet again next week to finalize its strategy in cooperation with the BLM to reduce the number of horse herds on the range before the upcoming grazing season begins.

    “It’s absolutely essential we get those horses off the range before the grazing season,” said Iron County Commissioner Alma Adams. “We’ve got to do this quickly.”

    While Utah BLM spokeswoman Megan Crandall said Friday that federal officials are committed to working together with the county, she did not provide an exact timeline when asked how long she believed it would take to get the horses off the range.

    Miller said that was unacceptable.

    “That’s not going to work,” he said. “We cannot draw this out. We’ve got to get those horses off the range in short-order before the vegetation begins to sprout because if those tender shoots get too damaged, then it will affect the quality of the range.”

    County commissioners said they were glad to see the cooperation from the BLM but wanted to ensure there is a permanent solution in place for any future issues and that the wild horses will continue to be managed.

    “We’ve got to make sure that in the future the decisions on the range that are made are made in cooperation with the ranchers,” Miller said.

    As far as the removal of Bundy’s cattle, Miller said while Iron County commissioners do not maintain jurisdiction in Nevada, they plan to do whatever they can to prevent the BLM from bringing the livestock through Iron County.

    “We can make it very difficult for them when they come into Utah,” Miller said.

    Miller said he did talk with Nevada BLM officials Friday who did not show any signs of backing down on their decision to round-up Bundy’s property.
    Frederick Douglas stated, "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

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    Posted date April 7, 2014 - 10:17pm
    Government in full force to corral cattle, First Amendment
    By JOHN L. SMITH
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    I pulled the Subaru past the orange temporary fencing next to a trash-strewn Interstate 15 overpass Saturday morning and into a government-issued “First Amendment Area.”

    You know, just to get a sense of what such a place would feel like. At the risk of grabbing for easy irony, I suppose it was a little like being one of hardheaded rancher Cliven Bundy’s wayward steers.

    Perhaps I’ve led a sheltered life, but until that moment, I had never set foot in a First Amendment Area. On Saturday, the lot was otherwise empty. There were no fiery voices of libertarian protest, no throng of angry Nevada ranchers with rifles in their pickups, not even a gaggle of curious tourists or a covey of head-scratching reporters.

    Of course, the fact the free-speech pen was located several miles from Bundy’s ranch and even farther from the federal government’s corral of “trespass cattle,” the lack of attendance was understandable. (By Monday, the voices of peaceful protest would increase considerably a few miles up the road near the banks of the Virgin River.)

    When you’re using the full weight of the federal government to overcome the boot heel dragging of one recalcitrant Nevada rancher, it’s probably best that not too many taxpayers watch it happen. I wasn’t out there to prosecute or defend Bundy — in large part because a federal court has already spoken, and I don’t think he has the law on his side. Instead, I drove through the area to see whether the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service could manage to round up a few hundred head of cattle without looking like they were invading a small country.

    They couldn’t.

    Nearly every federal official I saw — and there were many dozens of them — wore a semi-automatic pistol on his hip. Some cruised the area in unmarked SUVs with tinted windows. Given the lack of attention Saturday from even other members of Bundy’s large extended family, the crush of security gave the quiet area a surreal feel.

    The cow cops were out in force. Those steers were getting a more secure escort than the president. Folks who believe in the government’s “black helicopter” mystique were no doubt having their suspicions and paranoias reinforced by all the personnel and firepower.

    Later Saturday, the federal agencies attempted a phone news conference and couldn’t quite pull it off. The public information officers neglected to give out more than a scrap of actual information about the start of the roundup that, by my observation, included at least 100 armed federal buckaroos. The PIOs made it clear they had the law on their side and were practicing safety and security first.

    They were happy to mention that fewer than a dozen protesters had been observed but declined to tell us how many cows they had caught. They also noted that at least some costs of the roundup were being charged to the trespass cattle rancher Bundy.

    For the record, Bundy is 67 years old. If they charge him full price for the roundup, which includes two helicopters and many privately contracted wranglers, he probably would spend the next 67 years paying for the cow cops alone.

    Bundy likes to talk and, at times, has said a few things that might be considered threatening, especially to folks with some major control issues. It should be noted that I never saw a single civilian with a weapon, not even a rifle in a pickup gun rack.

    I was, however, followed by three government SUVs on the way to Bundy’s ranch. At least two visitors to the area I spoke with had similar experiences.

    The visit with Bundy was cordial. He is no stranger to reporters and is more than glad to hold forth on his case, his cause and the Constitution. With “Ron Paul” and “Bundy Melons” signs nearby, the rancher, whose family has run cattle in the area for many generations, went on at length about state sovereignty, the power of local government and the Founding Fathers granting limited power to the U.S. government.

    What he didn’t dwell on was the fact that he has been thoroughly shellacked in the federal courts, where judges have consistently ruled against him. His argument wasn’t realistic, in my assessment. He wasn’t a revolutionary, I decided, just a good-old-boy rancher on the wrong side of changing times.

    But as I left Bundy’s ranch and pulled back onto the nearly empty county road, a strange thing happened. Two white, unmarked SUVs were parked sideways across the asphalt. A federal officer, dressed in green fatigues and wearing a sidearm, was out of one vehicle. The way the SUVs were parked forced me to detour onto the edge of the road.

    “You can go around,” the officer said.

    Yes, I thought, I suppose I can. But I would be more comfortable traveling on the right side of the road. I didn’t say that, of course. I don’t argue with armed federal officers who think nothing of blocking a county road. I suspect they probably wouldn’t appreciate constructive criticism.

    On Sunday, authorities managed to take one of the rancher’s sons, David Bundy, into custody. The family claimed his offense was attempting to take pictures of the semi-secret cow confiscation. Not surprisingly, the arrest led to a much larger protest turnout Monday morning, when more than 100 people — many of them named Bundy — waved flags and signs and quoted the Constitution.

    Although most of the action Monday was near the Virgin River, Bundy family friend Eric Farnsworth of Las Vegas decided to unload his pickup next to the official First Amendment area. He had hand-drawn a stack of signs and unfurled the American flag.

    One of the placards read, “The First Amendment is Not an Area.”

    He was right, even if no one cared to listen.

    John L. Smith’s column appears Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. E-mail him at jsmith@reviewjournal.com or call 702-383-0295.
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    Feds Steal Ranchers Cattle in Armed Helicopter Raids: Feds attempt to rub out Family Farmers

    April 7, 2014

    In the latest attempt to rub out the family farm, the Federal Government is targeting a rancher in Nevada by sending in armed agents, armored vehicles and low-lying helicopters to steal the ranchers cattle.

    Cliven Bundy, who has been fighting the federal government’s attempts to shut him down for the last 20 years, is in a bitter battle that just took a turn for the worse. Over the weekend, armed federal agents from the Bureau of Land Management stormed Bundy’s land, stealing over 500 of the rancher’s cattle.

    The government claims the cattle were illegally grazing on government land; but Bundy, who has been a rancher all his life, says he’s been doing it this way for decades. In fact, his cattle are grazing on the same land that his father and father’s father used to raise their cattle.

    The trouble started in 1993 when Bundy refused to pay the feds for the right to allow his cattle to graze on land that he claims has been in his family since the 1880s. His family actually owned the land before the Bureau of Land Management ever even came into existence; so how the federal government can now claim they own the land is a bit puzzling.

    “We own this land,” he said, not the feds. He said he is willing to pay grazing fees but only to Clark County, not BLM.

    “Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,” he said. “I’m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.”

    So why now?

    According to the feds, this is all about protecting the desert tortoise. Yep, apparently protecting a turtle is now reason enough to storm a man’s property and illegally steal his cattle.

    Just before the round-up began, Bundy claims armed federal agents surrounded his 150-acre ranch.

    “They’ve been bringing men in and equipment and setting up a compound,” Bundy told FoxNews.com Monday. “They got helicopters flying low. They got snipers around the ranch. Our access to public lands has been blocked.”

    Bundy says he’s extremely fearful that the federal government is trying to turn this into another Ruby Ridge or Waco situation. The BLM has closed public lands in Clark County while they work on a plan to round up the “trespassing” cattle. Only marked vehicles are being allowed into the area and “free speech zones” have been set up several miles from the ranch in an attempt to corral protestors who have made their way into the area.

    “I’ve tried to fight this thing legally, and I’ve tried to fight it politically,” Bundy said. “We’ve got one more fight. We the people haven’t fought yet.”

    “He was there to do some filming when about 11 federal agents pulled up and arrested him,” Bundy told Las Vegas News 3. “They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down. We don’t know where he is now.”

    More: http://offgridsurvival.com/feds-steal-ranchers-cattle/

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    I can't believe armed citizens aren't flocking to the Bundy ranch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garand View Post
    I can't believe armed citizens aren't flocking to the Bundy ranch.
    Hopefully they are. It's high time someone stood up to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garand View Post
    I can't believe armed citizens aren't flocking to the Bundy ranch.
    At the very least his neighbors, towns people, other ranchers, those who are already in that area or state should be there.

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    The Cliven Bundy Story is going viral on talk radio!

    Someone said on the Brian Lange Show today, that they are rounding up the militia now to go out there to support the rancher. Sheriff Mack called in and said they want a peaceful protect and no arms right now!

    Do we have another Waco brewing here?


    Tomorrow, Brian Lange is going to dedicate his three hour show to the Bundy Story. Sheriff Mack said he is going to call back tomorrow during the show. Brian wants outer to call in tomorrow too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzieq View Post
    The Cliven Bundy Story is going viral on talk radio!
    Here's one that's talking about it now!
    Someone said on the Brian Lange Show today, that they are rounding up the militia now to go out there to support the rancher. Sheriff Mack called in and said they want a peaceful protect and no arms right now!

    Do we have another Waco brewing here?

    http://wakingupthemasses.com/index/radio
    They won't let them any closer than the "Free Speech Zone".
    What they need is about a hundred men up in those hills above the govt snipers. Armed men.

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    Dave Bundy, son of Clive Bundy out of Jail after arrest for defending Cattle. No Charges!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBIWQxg1jYA

    Please listen to what this poor man has to say. He brakes down in tears!

    America has to stand up for this one!

    The time is now to stand up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunny225 View Post
    They won't let them any closer than the "Free Speech Zone".
    What they need is about a hundred men up in those hills above the govt snipers. Armed men.
    The government agents are around 200 men. At least a 1,000 people need to show up at the local Sheriff's office, to go out there and stand up for the rancher.

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    The Government has no problem MURDERING people. It doesn't matter where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garand View Post
    I can't believe armed citizens aren't flocking to the Bundy ranch.
    I too doubt civilian help will come.

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    What saved Randy Weaver was people infiltrating and taking pictures.
    The camera man that filmed the helicopter with the flammable slung underneath gave the film to another runner and disappeared into the woods. I suspect a similar event at that ranch and that is why the feds want no witnesses. If the rancher is burned out, (and that seems to be the preferred method) the Feds will claim the Rancher did it himself or was building a bomb to kill the Feds.

    Protestors that go in unarmed will be arrested or disappear.
    This will not end well.
    If the Rancher gets out of this alive, He will lose the ranch to Attorney (word twisters) fees. Who wants that ranch and has the power to get the government to go in and take it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzieq View Post
    The Cliven Bundy Story is going viral on talk radio!

    Someone said on the Brian Lange Show today, that they are rounding up the militia now to go out there to support the rancher. Sheriff Mack called in and said they want a peaceful protect and no arms right now!

    Do we have another Waco brewing here?


    Tomorrow, Brian Lange is going to dedicate his three hour show to the Bundy Story. Sheriff Mack said he is going to call back tomorrow during the show. Brian wants outer to call in tomorrow too.

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    This will go Waco and we all know it. The question is...when is does are we going to stand by again and do nothing another line crossed? If so then the word Militia and freedom is nothing but words empty ones at that and you might as well take that gun you so cling to and forge it into the chain that will bind you, for it well be what you and I
    deserve because we have done nothing but prove that we fear our government and don't deserve freedom nor safety.
    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garand View Post
    I can't believe armed citizens aren't flocking to the Bundy ranch.

    Americans Do Fear Their Own Government - Tyranny.

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    Marsh that was very enlightening regarding Roman Civil Law as practiced by Mexico (and Spain) as opposed to the Louisiana Purchase acquisition under Jefferson. Its a fascinating history, the American west. I was holding my breath this would go Ruby Ridge when I heard about it. It sets a new threshhold for what will be tolerated. Imagine a potential "Occupy Federal Lands" protest west of the Mississippi.

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    Well damn, the BLM has joined the JBT brigade. Think about that next time you run across a park ranger when you're out in God's Country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Resort View Post
    Well damn, the BLM has joined the JBT brigade. Think about that next time you run across a park ranger when you're out in God's Country.
    Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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    I am not a fan of Pete Santilli, but he did interviewed Cliven Bundy.

    Interview starts around 1 hour & 7 minutes (01:07:00).
    Bundy gives background to how things started and about what's going on now.

    Episode #675 - Cliven Bundy - Nevada Rancher - Battles The EPA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nTspLiE6jg

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    Taken directly from Nevada BLM website:
    For the convenience of the public, two areas have been designated for those wishing to express their freedom of speech. Permits are not needed to rally or protest in these locations: I-15 at Exit 112 for Riverside and State Route 170 and White Rock Road. Only one of these areas will be available at a time; Incident Command staff will determine daily location and it will be posted on BLM website at http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/...blic_land.html.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ainitfunny View Post
    Taken directly from Nevada BLM website:

    Well that is so nice of the JBT to do this Nazi free speech zone here ( where no media will be ) and put the media way way over here where the Government given free speech zone is not. Well hell just bus the WE THE PEOPLE in the center of the 600,000-acre section of public land and let the tortoises hear them scream about freedom and rights the out come will be the same.. you you bunch of tyrants
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    Contact information for the BLM Nevada office:

    Nevada State Office

    State Director: Amy Lueders
    Associate State Director: Marci Todd
    Phone: 775-861-6590

    http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/info/state_directory.html
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    This guy probably has no clue, but needs to go check the regional United States land office and ask if he can search the records starting around the year 1877 and if his land is on record there under his ancestors name then there is a land patent and needs to get a copy of it then file with the United states appellant court for a hearing and also most clearly state in the filling its about a land dispute and a land patent.
    I have been told people had a land patent and had no clue what it was but thought it was worth more for the Presidents signature on it and it was worth far more then the signature as it's the true absolute title to their land.

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    All this because of a turtle! Think of that. What is happening seems, to me, more a result of what happens when you put animals above people (Endagered Species Act) and so Federal agencies have to change how they operate the land, angering people whose livelihood is tied with the land.

    You also have to consider special interest money affecting court rulings on how federal agencies also operate. The government monolith is not an active creature, but rather re-active. When they loose a case in court to special interests trying to protect "the turtle" agencies tend to over-react to avoid more litigation (hence the Bundy issue before us). One has to remember that entire organizations exist off of the government teat when they win cases against the government (whereas if they loose they are only out their time, where if they win they get full compensation).

    Devil's advocate time: We have to remember: due to Mr Bundy not paying his range costs (which are cheap compared to grazing on irrigated pasture per AUM or feed lot's) he is not only stiffing the BLM (and hence the public) but the other ranchers who have faithfully payed for over 20 years.

    Now to who fully owns the land in which the cows are grazing in dispute? Why didn't his family, way back when, file on much of this land when it was open season on land? Sure they were there way back when, but you still have to obey the laws of the government you live under last time I checked. If I am remembering right the BLM got the unwanted land which nobody wanted (and didn't file on). Yes, yes, I know. The feds shouldnt have that land anyways it should be the state but I sure do enjoy hunting on the same land my great-grandfather did when it was public land too.

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    You know if all those BLM vehicles and personnel were of Chinese/Russian origin. That'd be one target rich environment.

    Too bad them's "Americans."

    Some animals are - more equal than others.

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    Have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt?
    And for all the little piggies life is getting worse,
    Always having dirt to play around in.

    Have you seen the bigger piggies in their starched white shirts?
    You will find the bigger piggies stirring up the dirt,
    Always have clean shirts to play around in.

    In their styes with all their backing they don’t care what goes on around,

    In their eyes there’s something lacking,
    What they need’s a damn good whacking.

    Everywhere there’s lots of piggies living piggie lives,
    You can see them out for dinner with their piggie wives,
    Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.


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