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    4 Main Russia/Ukraine invasion thread - Donetsk now claims all of Ukraine - Post #18742

    Shortly after today's surprising announcement by Russia that it would conduct
    broad military drills in Central and Western Russia, which would include
    150,000 troops, we posted a rhetorical question: How will NATO respond?


    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/26/2014 10:59
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...aine-frontiers
    Any NATO drills in central Europe yet?
    — zerohedge (@zerohedge) February 26, 2014
    Moments ago NATO responded:
    • NATO: INDEPENDENT, STABLE UKRAINE KEY TO EURO-ATLANTIC SECURITY
    • NATO BACKS UKRAINIAN TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY, ALLIANCE SAYS
    • NATO ALLIES CONTINUE TO BACK UKRAINE SOVEREIGNTY, ALLIANCE SAYS
    • NATO BACKS `INVIOLABILITY OF FRONTIERS' ON UKRAINE: ALLIANCE
    • NATO COMMENDS ARMY FOR STAYING OUT OF UKRAINE POLITICAL CRISIS
    • NATO SAYS IMPERATIVE THAT UKRAINE ARMY DOESN'T INTERVENE
    Full NATO statement:


    We continue to follow developments in Ukraine very closely. We deplore
    the tragic loss of life. We welcome the fact that violence has been stopped
    through negotiations that paved the way for a peaceful outcome. We
    emphasise the importance of an inclusive political process based on
    democratic values, respect for human rights, minorities and the rule of law,
    which fulfils the democratic aspirations of the entire Ukrainian people.

    NATO and Ukraine have a distinctive partnership, embodied in the
    NATO-Ukraine Commission. Through that partnership framework, NATO
    stands ready to continue to engage with Ukraine and assist with the
    implementation of reforms. Defence reform and military cooperation
    remain key priorities. We commend the Ukrainian armed forces for not
    intervening in the political crisis. In a democracy, it is imperative that the
    armed forces do not intervene in the political process. We underscore the
    need to strengthen democratic control over the defence and security
    sector, with effective parliamentary oversight and the robust involvement
    of civil society. In the context of recent tragic events, transparent
    democratic and accountable institutions are essential to the future of
    Ukraine.

    A sovereign, independent and stable Ukraine, firmly committed to
    democracy and the rule of law, is key to Euro-Atlantic security. Consistent
    with the Charter on a Distinctive Partnership between NATO and Ukraine,
    NATO Allies will continue to support Ukrainian sovereignty and
    independence, territorial integrity, democratic development, and the
    principle of inviolability of frontiers, as key factors of stability and security
    in Central and Eastern Europe and on the continent as a whole.
    And as the military escalations - now on both sides - escalate some more,
    the algos are BTFATH. Let's sit back and watch which back off first.
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    will nato back it by moving assets and prepping for 'games' like russia is?

    if so the pucker factor goes up some
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    José Miguel Sardo ‏@jmsardo 14m http://twitter.com/jmsardo/status/438708152662753281
    #Ukraine: Interim IntMin says searches for #Yanukovych suspended in Crimea
    to avoid conflict w/"foreign forces"

    http://t.co/S5W5hIhy68


    zerohedge ‏@zerohedge 22m http://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/438706462005944320
    Putin's popularity in Russia soared over the past week reaching the highest figure in the last two years - Itar Tass
    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/721072


    zerohedge ‏@zerohedge 2m http://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/438711797559070720
    The Russian Foreign Ministry urged all reasonable forces in Ukraine
    to stop the backsliding of their country into religious confrontation
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    NATO ready to help Ukraine democratic reforms


    d19448d6-6aaa-4359-a768-eadacf5fbca9_afp.gif
    http://news.yahoo.com/nato-ready-hel...130900458.html

    Brussels (AFP) - NATO said Wednesday it will continue to help Ukraine, which has close
    ties with the military alliance, to push ahead with democratic reforms.

    "Ukraine is a close and long-standing partner to NATO. And NATO is a sincere friend of
    Ukraine," alliance head Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.

    "We stand ready to continue assisting Ukraine in its democratic reforms," he said as he
    went into a regular NATO defence ministers meeting.

    Rasmussen said recent developments in Ukraine, once a communist Moscow satellite,
    will be discussed at the two-day meeting at NATO HQ in Brussels.

    Asked if he had been in contact with Russia following the ouster of the pro-Russian
    president Viktor Yanukovych, Rasmussen did not reply directly.


    "Let me stress that it’s for the Ukrainian people to determine what should be the future
    of their country," he said.

    "We take it for granted that all nations respect the sovereignty and independence and
    territorial integrity of Ukraine."

    "This is a message that we have also conveyed to whom it may concern," he said,
    without naming Russia.


    Yanukovych and his allies are widely believed to have since gone into hiding in the
    Russian-speaking southern peninsula of Crimea, that is now threatening to secede from
    Ukraine.

    Besides deep political and economic ties, Russia uses Crimea as the main base for its
    Black Sea fleet and there has been some speculation Moscow could intervene directly to
    secure the base in the event the country breaks apart.

    In 1997, NATO set up a joint commission with Ukraine to oversee relations and in 2008
    agreed that Kiev could be considered for membership of the Cold War era alliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adino View Post
    will nato back it by moving assets and prepping for 'games' like russia is?

    if so the pucker factor goes up some
    Coincidence that O made the announcement for them to start making preparations to pull out of Afghanistan this year? I don't think so.

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    Kevin Bishop ‏@bishopk 53m http://twitter.com/bishopk/status/438701117325971456
    At check point on road to Sevastopol they are now checking vehicles.
    An APC standing by the roadside. "What is in the car?" we are asked



    Kevin Bishop ‏@bishopk 50m http://twitter.com/bishopk/status/438701911198662656
    Men in balaclavas,
    camouflage carrying Russian flags,
    wearing Russian Block armbands.
    APC is not genuine military vehicle




    Kevin Bishop ‏@bishopk 2h http://twitter.com/bishopk/status/438670442652393472
    I just saw two men approaching crowd with medal rods and baseball bats.
    #Simferopol


    Kevin Bishop ‏@bishopk 2h http://twitter.com/bishopk/status/438670847293669376
    There is not full scale violence here as yet but the tension is incendiary.
    Calls for calm being broadcast.
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    François Heisbourg‏@FHeisbourg·43 mins
    Timing can't be coincidental...@StateDeptLive: .@JohnKerry: We stand by the Bucharest decision that #Georgia will become a member of #NATO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    Coincidence that O made the announcement for them to start making preparations to pull out of Afghanistan this year? I don't think so.
    add to that all the green .mil vehicles seen riding around on flatbeds and at ports and i don't think so either

    but green could be going to korea or europe so i guess we're still gonna guess for a little bit
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    ian bremmer ‏@ianbremmer 3h http://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/438661430758219776
    Message from Putin: As Ukrainians decide upon their future,
    the Russian army stands ready to assist.



    The Voice of Russia ‏@VoiceofRussia 14m http://twitter.com/VoiceofRussia/sta...12691314937857
    BREAKING Ousted #Ukraine President Yanukovich put on international wanted list
    - Ukrainian prosecutor-general http://bit.ly/1frnja2



    The Voice of Russia ‏@VoiceofRussia 1h http://twitter.com/VoiceofRussia/sta...97845710127104
    LIVE UPDATES: Rival groups clash in #Ukraine's Crimea
    http://bit.ly/1c87zOD




    Next two tweets by the same guy.

    The Voice of Russia ‏@VoiceofRussia 2h http://twitter.com/VoiceofRussia/sta...78418658697216
    Russian Foreign Ministry on #Ukraine:
    'It is necessary to stop the national-radicals who set their sights on power'
    http://bit.ly/1c7Rcl8



    The Voice of Russia ‏@VoiceofRussia 2h http://twitter.com/VoiceofRussia/sta...82494716489728
    Inspections of troops in western #Russia is unrelated to developments in Ukraine
    - Russian Defense Minister http://bit.ly/1c7TJf6
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    MaidanUA ‏@twitt_maidanua 4h
    19:35 The United Nations supports territorial integrity of Ukraine,
    stated Chief Advisor tothe General Secretary... http://fb.me/2Ej7PQndy



    Mark MacKinnon ‏@markmackinnon 18m
    Definitely Russian troops at checkpoint. APC and "lyudi" truck I've seen many times.
    North of Sevastopol city, so well outside naval base.



    Shaun Walker ‏@shaunwalker7 18m
    The usually reputable RBK is writing that Viktor Yanukovych is right now just outside
    Moscow http://top.rbc.ru/politics/26/02/2014/907430.shtml … #wildgoosechase



    Mark MacKinnon ‏@markmackinnon 24m
    I just drove through the checkpoint outside Sevastopol. Russian flag flying, soldiers
    (some in balaclavas) checking cars.
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    Shaun Walker ‏@shaunwalker7 3m
    RBK now has more details on claim Yanukovych is outside Moscow.
    Hmm, very loose sourcing but has ring of truth to it
    http://top.rbc.ru/politics/26/02/2014/907430.shtml …



    bruce springnote ‏@BSpringnote 4m
    Turkey calls on Crimean Tatars to solve the crisis using democratic means.
    Guess that means they can't invite freedom fighters from Syria in



    bruce springnote ‏@BSpringnote 1m
    Cabinet of ministers to be named shortly but based on everything I see
    leadership at all levels seems to be in very short supply #euromaidan



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    Stop wondering what's going on in #Crimea! I'll tell you in an interview
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    bruce springnote ‏@BSpringnote 2m
    Razman Kadirov, Putin's stooge leader of Chechnya
    says "Russia will not allow Ukraine to be turned over to bandits"
    Does that include Crimea




    bruce springnote ‏@BSpringnote 1m
    Photo of Chechan leader Kadirov
    basically telling fellow Muslim in Crimea to screw themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possible Impact View Post
    ian bremmer ‏@ianbremmer 3h http://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/438661430758219776
    Message from Putin: As Ukrainians decide upon their future,
    the Russian army stands ready to assist.
    LOL. That is very cleverly worded. "Assist", eh?
    Your levity is good, it relieves tension and the fear of death.

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    bruce springnote‏@BSpringnote·17 mins
    Batkivshina member & former Interior Ministry official Moskal says many armed gangs around country looting and engaged in violence.

    bruce springnote‏@BSpringnote·11 mins
    Turkey calls on Crimean Tatars to solve the crisis using democratic means. Guess that means they can't invite freedom fighters from Syria in

    bruce springnote‏@BSpringnote·8 mins
    Cabinet of ministers to be named shortly but based on everything I see leadership at all levels seems to be in very short supply #euromaidan

    bruce springnote‏@BSpringnote·5 mins
    Razman Kadirov, Putin's stooge leader of Chechnya says "Russia will not allow Ukraine to be turned over to bandits" Does that include Crimea

    bruce springnote‏@BSpringnote·4 mins
    Photo of Chechan leader Kadirov basically telling fellow Muslim in Crimea to screw themselves pic.twitter.com/Xr3YBmmJ8b

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    Statement by NATO Defence Ministers on Ukraine

    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/...utm_medium=web


    We continue to follow developments in Ukraine very closely. We deplore the tragic loss
    of life. We welcome the fact that violence has been stopped through negotiations that
    paved the way for a peaceful outcome. We emphasise the importance of an inclusive
    political process based on democratic values, respect for human rights, minorities and
    the rule of law, which fulfils the democratic aspirations of the entire Ukrainian people.

    NATO and Ukraine have a distinctive partnership, embodied in the NATO-Ukraine
    Commission. Through that partnership framework, NATO stands ready to continue to
    engage with Ukraine and assist with the implementation of reforms. Defence reform
    and military cooperation remain key priorities. We commend the Ukrainian armed
    forces for not intervening in the political crisis. In a democracy, it is imperative that the
    armed forces do not intervene in the political process. We underscore the need to
    strengthen democratic control over the defence and security sector, with effective
    parliamentary oversight and the robust involvement of civil society. In the context of
    recent tragic events, transparent democratic and accountable institutions are essential
    to the future of Ukraine.


    A sovereign, independent and stable Ukraine, firmly committed to democracy and the
    rule of law, is key to Euro-Atlantic security. Consistent with the Charter on a Distinctive
    Partnership between NATO and Ukraine, NATO Allies will continue to support Ukrainian
    sovereignty and independence, territorial integrity, democratic development, and the
    principle of inviolability of frontiers, as key factors of stability and security in Central
    and Eastern Europe and on the continent as a whole.
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    Newsium‏@Newsium·11 mins
    "#BreakingNews It is confirmed by several sources that seperatist troops have..." #Sevastopol http://www.supernoder.com/newsium.php?ref=BreakingNews

    @MiddleEast_BRK
    #BreakingNews It is confirmed by several sources that seperatist troops have cut all roads, leading to #Sevastopol 30 km before the city.
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    So Russia goes into the Western part of the Ukraine to "protect and assist" the Russians there. Does eastern Ukraine have any troops etc to ensure that Russia doesnt take all of it or does the new and panicked Ukraine govt request Nato/EU/US/UN help?

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    What will Turkey do? I say they will, although maybe not openly at first. I see the Tartars having an upsurge in weapons soon.

    michaeldweiss‏@michaeldweiss·13 mins
    BTW, Tartars in Crimea have asked Turkey to intervene!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mecoastie View Post
    So Russia goes into the Western part of the Ukraine to "protect and assist" the Russians there. Does eastern Ukraine have any troops etc to ensure that Russia doesnt take all of it or does the new and panicked Ukraine govt request Nato/EU/US/UN help?
    How does one translate "Gleiwitz" in Russian? It means "little mushrooms" in Polish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    What will Turkey do? I say they will, although maybe not openly at first. I see the Tartars having an upsurge in weapons soon.

    michaeldweiss‏@michaeldweiss·13 mins
    BTW, Tartars in Crimea have asked Turkey to intervene!
    Michael Cecire‏@mhikaric·20 mins
    Someone in Turkey prepped for this? http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/dunya/25693129.asp … MT @michaeldweiss: BTW, Tartars in #Crimea asked #Turkey to intervene! #Ukraine

    from google translate
    the article is from January, but is the one linked above and fits into the bigger Muslim/Ukraine/world pic


    If Ukraine fragmented, Turkey has the right to Crimea

    Nordin Hacıoğlu / MOSCOW

    January 29, 2014 .



    Ukraine political crisis that erupted in a civil war every day that marks drifted, while in case of breakdown of the country is really able to claim on the Crimean Peninsula in Turkey also claims that came up.


    Crimean Russian pro-government, in the light of recent developments in Kiev since a month "Westerners seized the capital Kiev if we digress" meant.

    Crimea management 'are divided,' he says, but 230 years ago, which was signed between the Ottoman Empire and Russian Empire Kaynarca Agreement, the peninsula will not act willfully as you want it dominates. 2 still maintains its validity and the Russian Czarina Yekaterina April 19, according to the agreement signed in 1783, taking on the Crimean Peninsula in Russia was transferred from the Ottoman patronage. Peninsula is one of the most important ingredients of the agreement would not declare independence and can not be delivered to a third party envisaged. Such a step, if the Crimea was supposed to automatically return to the auspices of Turkey.

    In 1991, the USSR fragmented in its place arose the independent Ukrainian state, citing Turkey Kaynarca Agreement was getting the right to reclaim the peninsula. However, during Turgut Ozal of Turkey's north geopolitical change management and general world conjuncture considering Ankara raised the option provided by. Turkey is not only Tatars living in the Crimean Peninsula advocate of the rights of minorities were satisfied with.

    Last 23 years, quite a few waters flowed under the bridge. Nowadays, separated from the Crimean Peninsula in Ukraine in the process where you want to connect back to Russia first declared its independence from Kiev must pay. Precisely at this point, according to all the rules of international law emerges and Turkey "was getting back to control the management of the Crimean Peninsula" might say.

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    Matthew Fisher‏@mfisheroverseas·9 mins
    Pro-Russia rally now in Sevastopol. Russian armoured cars parked nearby. Putin orders military drills at home. #ukraineprotests #sevastopol

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    The Interpreterþ@Interpreter_Mag5 mins
    #BREAKING: Media with strong ties to Russian government says deposed Ukraine President arrived in Russia on Tuesday http://bit.ly/1ptzWtN

    The Interpreter‏@Interpreter_Mag13 mins
    Ukraine Liveblog: Russian govt-linked news channel LifeNews is reporting Yanukovych is in Russia. http://bit.ly/1pty04r

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    Mark MacKinnon ‏@markmackinnon 14m
    Russian troops take control of main access to port city of Sevastopol:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/tension-in-crimea-as-pro-russia-and-pro-ukraine-groups-stage-competing-rallies/article17110382/ …



    Paul Waldie ‏@pwaldieGLOBE 1m
    So took a cab in #Kyiv to airport and driver gave me change in euros.
    Did I miss something?
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhauleNIMAA1zdd.jpg


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    Sergey Ponomarev‏@SergeyPonomarev·39 mins
    Today's fight between pro-Russia and pro-Ukraine supporters in Simferopol #ukraine http://instagram.com/p/k4xcNvjn5t/

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    ETA: it is just what i had posted above

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    BREAKING: "Yanukovych is in Russia. He arrived in Moscow on Tuesday night": http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain.../#1726 …

    1726 GMT: LifeNews, a Russian news channel with strong ties to the government, is reporting that Viktor Yanukovych is in Russia, having arrived on Tuesday night.

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    Talks on formation of new #Crimea govt. to begin "in coming days" among Tatars, Ukrainians, Russians, Tatar spokeswoman tells me. #Ukraine

    Lucian Kimþ@Lucian_Kim2 hrs
    Moderation won in #Crimea today. Despite scuffles, polarizing parliamentary vote was avoided by skillful Tatar leader Chubarov. #Ukraine

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    Christopher Miller ‏@ChristopherJM 5m
    Yanukovych in Moscow? Stayed at Hotel Ukraine on Tuesday?
    @rbk_russia says he was there, as well as Pshonka.
    http://top.rbc.ru/politics/26/02/2014/907430.shtml …



    Gulliver Cragg ‏@gullivercragg 1m
    #ukraine currency slides: more than ten hryvnia to the dollar now.





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    Posted for fair use and discussion.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...dessa-refinery

    Russian Lukoil Halts Oil Supplies To Ukraine Odessa Refinery
    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/26/2014 10:41 -0500



    A few days ago we reported that the Ukraine decided to call Russia's "trump card" bluff - that would be everyone else's reliance on Russian gas supplies - when it drastically cut imports of Russian gas by 80% in February, seemingly to demonstrate its energy independence from Puting. Now Russia has decided to take the Ukraine to task, by announcing it has halted oil deliveries to the Ukraine Odessa refinery. Hopefully the Ukraine, whose foreign currency reserves tumbled from $17.9 billion on February 1 to $15 billion currently, has alternative means of supplying itself with energy from benevolent sources, particularly those who are willing to provide the country with oil in exchange for goodwill.

    From Itar-Tass:

    Russia’s oil company LUKOIL has stopped oil supplies to the Odessa refinery in Ukraine.



    “The last tanker was sent on December 29,” a company official said on Wednesday, February 26.



    Ukrainian media reports said earlier in the day that police had sealed oil tanks at the Kherson refinery. Oilnews quoted eye witnesses as saying that police had blocked all exits from the Odessa refinery in the morning of February 25.



    On February 24, the refinery’s Director Valery Chakheyev tendered resignation; executive Director Sergei Kuznetsov and other top managers also walked out of the enterprise’s offices.



    Media reports also said that the refinery would soon stop operation as it gets no more oil from the Sintez Oil transshipment centre that has stopped supplies to the enterprise because of its debts.



    The refinery has also been notified about the coming termination of power supplies from February 27 because of the unpaid debts.



    Telephones at the Odessa refinery do not answer. Sintez Oil officials told ITAR-TASS they “have no information."

    Ukraine may have gotten its indepdence from Russia. One wonders how much it likes being independent of heating and energy too.

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    Gregory Grushko‏@ggrushko·2 hrs
    Russian soldiers in #Yalta #Crimea "to protect Russian tourists" Росбалт.ру http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2014/02/26/1238081.html … #Ukraine

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    Kalashnikitty‏@CustosDivini·43 mins
    #news: Slovak, Czech and Hungarian foreign ministers will meet acting Ukrainian president on Friday reports @Reuters #Ukraine

    Kalashnikitty‏@CustosDivini·38 mins
    I hear laughter in the Kremlin

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    Old joke. Highly relative today.





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    by one of the former US Ambassadors to Ukraine. http://vesti.ru/t?1324379



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    michaeldweiss‏@michaeldweiss·11 mins
    Yanukovych at "Barvikha...Sanatorium of the Russian presidential administration": http://www.interpretermag.com/ukrain...-and-military/

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    michaeldweiss‏@michaeldweiss·2 mins
    So this is interesting but got buried with all the Ukraine stuff. Feb 24 is Estonian Independence Day...

    michaeldweiss‏@michaeldweiss·1 min
    This year, since Estonia is in NATO, US F-16s were due to fly overhead in Tallinn as part of the celebrations. But...

    michaeldweiss‏@michaeldweiss·2 mins
    The jets were late. Why? Because Russia violated Estonia's airspace on Independence Day.

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    US Warns Russia Over "Provocative" Actions In Ukraine


    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/26/2014 13:36 -0500
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...ctions-ukraine

    As today's actions by Russia have raised concerns and stirred flight-to-safety flows in
    the markets, The White House has decided to add its $0.02 worth:
    • *OBAMA AIDE EARNEST URGES 'OUTSIDE ACTORS' TO RESPECT UKRAINE TERRITORY
    • *EARNEST SAYS RUSSIA SHOULD AVOID `PROVOCATIVE' ACTIONS
    • *U.S. WARNS RUSSIA TO RESPECT UKRAINE SOVEREIGNTY
    Or else...? On the bright side, he did not say anything about crossed lines.

    Via AP,


    The White House is urging "outside actors" to respect Ukraine's sovereignty, as
    neighboring Russia prepares for massive military exercises.

    White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the U.S. is aware of Russia's plans to
    launch the military maneuvers
    . While Russian officials said the exercises were
    unrelated to the tensions in Ukraine, these exercise will take place near the shared
    border between the countries.

    Without specifically mentioning Russia, Earnest also called on others in the
    region to end "provocative rhetoric and actions."


    Russia has questioned the legitimacy of Ukraine's acting government, which took
    charge after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych fled after signing an agreement
    aimed at ending his country's three-month political crisis.
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    U.S. F-15s performing Estonia independence flyby
    diverted to intercept Russian spyplane


    Feb 26 2014
    http://theaviationist.com/2014/02/26...flyby-delayed/



    By David Cenciotti

    U.S. F-15s scheduled to perform a flyover in Estonia, intercepted a Russian
    spyplane then took part to the parade.


    On Feb. 24, Estonia celebrated its independence day.

    Part of the celebrations was also a military parade in the city of Pärnu. U.S. F-15C
    fighters belonging to the 48th FW, currently deployed to Lithuania’s first air base in
    Zokniai, near Siauliai, took part to the flyby but they were forced to do double duty
    since they were first diverted to intercept a Russian plane.

    Unfortunately, no details about the aircraft that was intercepted were released. The
    official statement by Estonian authorities says only: “Fighters identified the plane as a
    spy plane belonging to Russia.”

    The U.S. Air Force has four F-15s from RAF Lakenheath deployed to Lithuania to
    undertake air policing in the Baltic states. The aircraft have replaced the Belgian
    F-16AMs and, since January, they guard the airspace over Latvia, Lithuania and
    Estonia, whose air defense is provided on a rotational basis by 14 NATO states since
    2004.

    Aircraft on QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) at Siauliai are often scrambled by CRP (Control
    and Reporting Post)
    of Amari, Estonia, to intercept Il-20 spyplanes, Tu-22M Backfire
    bombers and Su-27 fighter jets, skirting Baltic states airspaces as images posted in
    2013 show.

    Image credit: U.S. Air Force
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    things not working out well up in Kiev

    bruce springnoteþ@BSpringnote·39 mins
    Turchinov on a major rant. Guy has lost it after only 5 days . Reading between the lines things are in melt down #euromaidan

    Maxim Eristaviþ@MaximEristavi·36m
    .@Turchynov tries to scare the crowd: "You can criticize this govt, but you have no other. Otherwise - brace yourself for chaos "

    Maxim Eristaviþ@MaximEristavi·29 mins
    The most shocking - there's no ppl of @Vitaliy_Klychko in new govt, he's absent from the stage too. Many people whistle & boo

    Maxim Eristaviþ@MaximEristavi·9 mins
    Shock #2: Yarosh, the leader of far-right Right Sector is nominated for Nat'l Security Council deputy

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    Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 1m
    WH urging "outside actors in the region to respect Ukraine's sovereignty
    and territorial integrity and end provocative rhetoric."



    Kalashnikitty ‏@CustosDivini 2h
    #news: Slovak, Czech and Hungarian foreign ministers will meet acting Ukrainian
    president on Friday reports @Reuters #Ukraine



    Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi 9m
    .@Vitaliy_Klychko & his UDAR party will vote for new govt, will not join it -
    @udarKlichko stmt



    Eugeniusz Smolar ‏@esmolar 2h
    Head #Ukraine security service V Nalyvaychenko
    asked U.N. special envoy R. Serry to monitor the security situation in Crimea - RFE/RL
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    Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 7m
    The Ukraine statement from Dep WH Press Secy @jearnest44
    did not mention Russia but urged all to support democracy in Ukraine.



    Ben Tobias ‏@ben_tobias 2m
    Nominee for #Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk tells BBC's @_DuncanC "country
    on brink of disaster... Welcome to hell" @bbcworld


    Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l 48s
    RUSSIAN NOTIFICATION OF MILITARY EXERCISE CAME ONLY
    THIS AFTERNOON, NATO'S RASMUSSEN SAYS (via @terischultz)
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    A couple of questions here for the TB2K Ukraine News Team.

    Does the Ukraine have an active military and does it have any teeth.

    What is the religon of the Ukraines, Christian, Muslim, Greek Ortho?

    I hope we are getting into another Serbia because IMHO we backed the wrong side in that conflict!

    Thanks SIRR1

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIRR1 View Post
    A couple of questions here for the TB2K Ukraine News Team.

    Does the Ukraine have an active military and does it have any teeth.

    What is the religon of the Ukraines, Christian, Muslim, Greek Ortho?

    I hope we are getting into another Serbia because IMHO we backed the wrong side in that conflict!

    Thanks SIRR1
    As to religion, from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Religion

    ]

    The majority of Ukrainians are not affiliated to any organised religion, and a significant portion of the population is atheistic. Estimates compiled by the independent Razumkov Centre in a nationwide survey in 2006 found that 75.2 percent of the respondents believe in God and 22 percent said they did not believe in God. 37.4 percent said that they attended church on regular basis.[227]

    Among Ukrainians who are affiliated with an organised religion, the most common religion in Ukraine is Orthodox Christianity, currently split between three Church bodies: the Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church autonomous church body under the Patriarch of Moscow, and the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.[228]

    "What religious group do you belong to?" Sociology poll by Razumkov Centre about the religious situation in Ukraine (2006)
    Atheist or do not belong to any church

    UOC – Kiev Patriarchate

    UOC – Moscow Patriarchate

    UAOC

    Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church

    Roman Catholic Church

    *** (see image posted at bottom for % breakdown)

    The Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kiev, a UNESCO World Heritage Site[229]


    St. Nicholas Roman Catholic Cathedral in Kyiv
    A distant second by the number of the followers is the Eastern Rite Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which practices a similar liturgical and spiritual tradition as Eastern Orthodoxy, but is in communion with the Holy See of the Roman Catholic Church and recognises the primacy of the Pope as head of the Church.[230]

    Additionally, there are 863 Latin Rite Catholic communities, and 474 clergy members serving some one million Latin Rite Catholics in Ukraine.[228] The group forms some 2.19 percent of the population and consists mainly of ethnic Poles and Hungarians, who live predominantly in the western regions of the country.

    Protestant Christians also form around 2.19 percent of the population. Protestant numbers have grown greatly since Ukrainian independence. The Evangelical Baptist Union of Ukraine is the largest group, with more than 150,000 members and about 3,000 clergy. The second largest Protestant church is the Ukrainian Church of Evangelical faith (Pentecostals) with 110,000 members and over 1,500 local churches and over 2,000 clergy, but there also exist other Pentecostal groups and unions and together all Pentecostals are over 300,000, with over 3,000 local churches. Also there are many Pentecostal high education schools such as the Lviv Theological Seminary and the Kiev Bible Institute. Other groups include Calvinists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Lutherans, Methodists and Seventh-day Adventists. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) are also present.[228]

    There are an estimated 500,000 Muslims in Ukraine and about 300,000 of them are Crimean Tatars.[231] There are 487 registered Muslim communities, 368 of them on Crimea. In addition, some 50,000 Muslims live in Kiev; mostly foreign-born.[232]

    The Jewish population is a tiny fraction of what it was before World War II. (In Tsarist times, Ukraine had been part of the Pale of Settlement, to which Jews were largely restricted in the Russian Empire.) The largest Jewish communities in 1926 were in Odessa, 154,000 or 36.5% of the total population; and Kiev, 140,500 or 27.3%.[233] The 2001 census indicated that there are 103,600 Jews in Ukraine, although community leaders claimed that the population could be as large as 300,000. There are no statistics on what share of the Ukrainian Jews are observant, but Orthodox Judaism has the strongest presence in Ukraine. Smaller Reform and Conservative Jewish (Masorti) communities exist as well.[228]

    One 2006 survey put the number of non-religious in Ukraine at approximately 62.5% of the population.[234]
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