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    LP shortage?

    We have 2 100 lb. propane tanks for our gas logs. I called our regular supplier to get one filled and he said there is a disruption in the flow and that we are on the waiting list but he has none for now. We called a 2nd company who confirmed what we were told.
    Anyone able to confirm this?
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    The last cold spell put a strain on many fuels an electric services as well, and it could be they were not well stocked to begin with and deliveries for resupply may take months before its caught up.

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    We had a terrible time getting delivery on LP a couple of weeks ago. Ordered when the tank was at 25% and have never had trouble getting it delivered within a few days of ordering. The propane company kept putting us off, gave excuses for two weeks. We went through a foot of snow and several days of single digit and below zero temperatures while waiting. The tank got lower and lower. We had to shut off the heater in the greenhouse to save gas for the house, sacrificing several plants that could not be moved. We set the house thermostat as low as we could stand it, shut off all rooms with doors, kept a fire going in the fireplace, which required us to take turns sleeping by the fire to feed it during the night. We got more and more vocal with them and finally on the day that it was obvious we were going to run out, they delivered the amount of propane that I had ordered originally, which put the tank at 75%. I talked to them several times, but nothing was ever said about gas supplies being low. They blamed it on the cold weather, even though I ordered well before the first round of it.
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    We got a fill last week at $2.50/gallon. The company has stated that they are doing 200 gallon maximum for now because they are short, and residential is the priority. So far, they must be doing OK because he emptied the truck here for us...almost 400 gallons, which will get us through the summer. But this driveway is a bear, and the guys know that they don't want to come up here in the spring if they don't have to.

    Reasons for the problem included: a lot of fuel used this fall for grain drying, the early and cold winter, a pipeline from Canada shut down, and rail cars backed up and not getting through on time.

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    It is going to continue to be a problem, perhaps much worse, when you look at this:

    http://www.eia.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_propane.html

    Scroll down to the propane stocks. The red line is below the 5 year moving average (the blue shaded area).

    Storage reserves typically peak in September, so the Sept. 2013 level was way below the Sept. 2012 level. Someone goofed or did not produce enough propane.

    Here is where it gets scary. Look at the chart. We are already below the trough/bottom which is in March, with a second huge cold snap coming in.

    At this point, we are 40% below the level of storage last year, with a lot to go.
    Expect this kind of thing to continue until Mid march at least.
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    I haven't had any problems yet.
    I called on Friday to have my tank topped off, it was sitting at 50%.
    They came this morning.

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    Here in OK, the gov. issued a statement last week about propane shortages. I called our local delivery guy and he came by 2 days later and I asked him if he had noticed any shortages. He said that there's talk of a shortage but he hasn't seen it yet. His truck always get filled when he goes to the main storage facility, so according to him, there is no shortage.

    He did say that the price had gone way up. It was $2.79/gal. I believe it was $2.49/gal. back in October of last year.
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    Times Bulletin: Propane shortage in Van Wert Co customers ... **

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    VAN WERT - The propane shortage reported in parts of Canada, Indiana, and Michigan has now spread to Ohio, and many propane companies are now urging their customers ...
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    Propane shortage hits U.P. hard. In the Upper Peninsula, where many homes are heated with propane, a fuel shortage has gas companies worried as they ...
    Wisconsin shutdown worsens propane shortage in UP ... **

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    Michigan utility regulators say Upper Peninsula residents whose supplies of propane already are running short face new challenges this week with the ...
    Early, cold winter affecting propane shortage - WFXS ... **

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    Wisconsin's brutal winter and the high demand to heat homes is affecting propane supplies. Some suppliers Newsline 9 spoke with said they've never seen a ...
    State declaration aims to ease propane gas shortage ... **

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    The recent spate of extremely cold weather the has caused a run on propane gas in parts of Ohio. The shortage in some areas led Gov. John Kasich to issue an emergency ...
    U.P. propane shortage to get worse - MiningJournal.net | News ... **

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    MARQUETTE - Michigan Public Service Commission officials announced Friday a propane shortage in Michigan - and especially the Upper Peninsula - is expected ...
    Propane shortage leads to higher prices for Tri-State ... **

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    PALOMA, Ill. (WGEM) - For some, the cost to heat their homes is going up as a propane shortage is leading to sky-high prices. In fact, officials with the ...
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    In the Upper Peninsula, where many homes are heated with propane, a fuel shortage has gas companies worried as they struggle to keep their tanks filled.
    The unreported propane shortage **

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    By John Ruberry. Have you heard about the propane shortage? Probably not. Although, despite my headline, it has been reported, albeit by local flyover ...
    Delphos Herald - Propane shortage reaches Ohio **

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    Crone, who has been working for Van Wert Propane for 42 years, noted that there was a shortage of propane 25-30 years ago but nothing like the one faced now.

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    Glad we heat with wood...but we have propane backup, so will have to watch the tank. Price has went up 70 cents/gal since summer, and will probably go higher...
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    Our problem had nothing to do with the availability of propane, but the stupidity of the dispatcher. We have a 1000 gal above ground tank located on a mountainside in North Central PA. Delivery is scheduled for first week in October and Last week in March. Despite calls in October, they never came. Finally, in mid-December, we got a customer service rep that actually knew what she was doing and talked directly to the dispatcher. Seem the idiot ignored the special needs request until it was too late, then kept trying to dispatch the bigger trucks to fill the need (they refused to climb the ice covered driveway - I don't blame them in the least).

    Our driveway requires a smaller truck (400 gallon capacity) due to multiple switchback. When the first snow falls, the driveway melts to a beautiful sheet of glazed ice on a steep grade (that is how we keep the rif-raf out). They MUST deliver before the first snowfall or they won't get up until March, or a short-term heavy thaw (a single day usually) that slips in between the winter storms. Last year we had to heat solely with wood to preserve what little propane we had for cooking and hot water. This year was going to be different....not.

    Thank goodness, we had a weird thaw in December. We called the Customer Service Rep who had the account flagged and immediately dispatched the smaller truck. We took all 400 gallons and still didn't fill the tank. At least we have a margin of comfort this year, unlike last winter.

    Guess there is a reason I keep 12 cords of wood stacked in the wood shed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckmanite View Post
    It is going to continue to be a problem, perhaps much worse, when you look at this:

    http://www.eia.gov/oog/info/twip/twip_propane.html

    Scroll down to the propane stocks. The red line is below the 5 year moving average (the blue shaded area).

    Storage reserves typically peak in September, so the Sept. 2013 level was way below the Sept. 2012 level. Someone goofed or did not produce enough propane.

    Here is where it gets scary. Look at the chart. We are already below the trough/bottom which is in March, with a second huge cold snap coming in.

    At this point, we are 40% below the level of storage last year, with a lot to go.
    Expect this kind of thing to continue until Mid march at least.
    Blame it on a bumper crop of high moisture corn. It's easier to get propane now (here) than it was in September-October.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big kumara View Post
    Blame it on a bumper crop of high moisture corn. It's easier to get propane now (here) than it was in September-October.
    Yep, that is part of it, supported by this:

    http://www.eia.gov/oog/info/twip/twip.asp

    The other half is the 30% drop in supplies from 11/29/13 to 1/10/14. That is beyond most of the corn drying season. This has been a cold winter, and the extended forecast through mid February is 10 degrees below normal for the Chicagoland metro area.

    The burn rate of propane is going to continue at these temps.
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    There was a piece about the high demand for propane on the evening news tonight. They said that in several northern states the price has gone up by 47%.
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    Last week I paid $2.59/ gal. for 200 gals. Had to borrow some from my kids to pay for it. I am and have been thinking about selling my place. Insurance, property taxes and heating it are getting crazy. Used to burn wood, but that has gotten to difficult for me. I would sure hate to leave here.

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    Drudge has a thread up also, left column, near the top.
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    No problems here in mid Michigan that I now of. We're on auto-fill and got delivery about a week or two ago. We have a 500 lb. tank and it was at 55%. Got it filled to 80% I think. That's normal. Haven't read of any problems here or people getting shorted or waiting lists.

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    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014...nter-woes?lite

    Propane shortage adds to winter woes

    Don Knight / The Herald Bulletin via AP

    Heavy snow reduces visibility on Indiana 32 in Edgewood Ind. during a snow storm on Saturday Jan. 18, 2014.
    By Elisha Fieldstadt, Staff Writer, NBC News

    As meteorologists on Monday added up to 10 inches of snow to their frigid forecasts for the Northeast and Midwest this week, the regions are struggling with a lack of the essential resources residents need to keep warm.

    While the cold won’t be quite as unbearable as the Polar Vortex system earlier this month, people in the Great Lakes, interior Northeast, and northern New England can expect to be shoveling, according to Weather.com.

    Sand used to keep roads safe during snowstorms and ice buildup is running low in some states, as are the budgets to buy the sand and deploy trucks and plows. Propane stocks in many states have also hit disconcerting lows since the winter started with meager allowances and back-to-back cold spells have increased the energy dilemma for millions.

    In anticipation of the cold and snow, Ohio Gov. John Kasich declared an energy emergency focused on expediting propane GAS shipments in order to mitigate tight supplies.

    His declaration permits propane shippers from other states to drive more hours, which “will help get propane companies resupplied so Ohioans who use propane to heat their homes can stay warm,” Kasich said.

    A shortage of propane gas in the Midwest and Northeast is impacting millions of homes and businesses in rural areas beyond the reach of utilities.

    More than 14 million families across the U.S. use propane to fuel their furnaces, according to the Propane Education & Research Council.

    Kasich followed the lead of officials in 17 other U.S. states — mostly in the Midwest and North — who declared energy emergencies and loosened rules for propane transportation from other states, most of which are effective until the end of January.

    In many of these states, residents are also being urged to cut down on propane usage since supplies are limited.

    "Propane customers in the Upper Peninsula should use their propane supplies wisely in the coming weeks by reducing usage and avoiding energy waste," Michigan Public Service Commission Chairman John Quackenbush told NBC affiliate WILX on Monday.

    In addition to residential propane customers, over 1 million businesses across the U.S. rely on propane.

    However, the energy shortage is not just a result of families and business owners trying to keep buildings comfortable during the persistent cold spells. The Midwest started the winter with a propane deficit since a greater than usual amount of propane was used in November to dry corn crops during a rain-soaked harvest, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).

    “Propane prices in the Midwest will likely need to rise to keep propane in the region,” according to the EIA.

    In the middle of January, average propane prices across the nation were 58 cents per gallon higher than the same period last year, EIA reported.

    But states’ and Americans’ wallets aren’t only affected by the cold. Snow has also depleted winter weather budgets in a large portion of the country.

    In addition to a declaration expediting fuel, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie also relaxed rules pertaining to salt deliveries “due to multiple winter events that have depleted stockpiles of rock salt needed to treat roadways surfaces.”

    Chicago also slashed their winter-weather budget by more than half during January’s first storm and NBC Chicago reported that most of the money was used up in vain on sand. When snow is accompanied by sub-zero temperatures, salt freezes and is ineffective.

    Chicago officials announced Monday that 200 snow plows and salt spreaders would deploy during the upcoming storm “to help keep Chicago streets safe and passable,” even though the salt might not work.

    The Windy City will appropriately be under a wind-chill advisory on Monday, as "feels-like" conditions could dip as low as minus-20 degrees, and lake effect snow piles on top of the 5 inches that the city already experienced over the weekend.

    New Hampshire blew through half of the state’s $42 million winter-weather budget within the first week of the new year, said Bill Boynton, a spokesman with the New Hampshire Department of Transportation.

    “These funds are used to support a fleet of 700-plus snow plows that plow and treat 4,600 miles of state highways” with salt, Boynton said. “We were out there again for much of the weekend,” he said.

    Salt trucks and plows can expect to be busy again in coming days.

    Winter storm warnings have been issued for New England, Virginia, Maryland, Washington D.C., as well as areas along the coast in New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey, said Chris Vaccaro, a spokesman with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

    Snow will begin falling from D.C. to New York Tuesday morning and build up to 4-8 inches, Vaccaro said. The Midwest and New England will see accumulations between 5-8 inches, according to Weather.com.

    Four inches already fell over the weekend in Lafayette, Ind., and caused a fiery, 13-vehicle highway pileup that left four people injured. The National Weather Service said up to 10 inches could accumulate in Central Indiana by Monday night.

    As the cold persists through Thursday, a second snowfall is likely in the Upper Midwest, Great Lakes, and Northeast, according to Weather.com.

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    Propane rivals gasoline in price out here in CA, even though they used to burn it off at the refineries, as a waste product.

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    Next is solar hot water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAgdma View Post
    Propane rivals gasoline in price out here in CA, even though they used to burn it off at the refineries, as a waste product.

    We are close to completing the newest installation of solar panels, so I can cook with electric appliances.

    Next is solar hot water.
    It's -30 again here this morning. Somehow, I don't think solar panels are going to help much.

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    Local propane company is having trouble getting propane. They posted it is due to exports, colder than normal temps and the shutdown of a pipeline. They are limiting customers to 150 gallons.

    Let my mom know and she was able to get 300-400 gallons from her normal place but it's going to cost $4.18/gal. It's set to be delivered today or tomorrow. She's elderly and uses ventless heaters to heat an old house so she uses a lot more than we do since we heat with wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Is theft of propane a problem?
    Not really. You have to know what you are doing, and have the right connectors and tanks to transfer and walk off with a significant amount of propane.

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    It never hurts to have a backup plan to heat your homes in the event of not being able to get or afford propane. We have two side by side furnaces in the basement. One burns wood and one burns propane. I prefer to use the propane as it burns cleaner and I can control the temperature better. I do have the wood for backup though. I plan to have my son cut and stack a bunch of wood this summer in case we need it. We have 28 acres and 20 of those are in wood. Ash mostly. It burns cleaner than a lot of other woods I'm told. I sure wouldn't want to have to pay over $4 a gallon for propane. That's insane. My guess is once this cold crisis is over the cost will come back down. Glad we locked in at $1.79.

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    My tank was down to 20%. They put in 100 gallons at $3.49 per gallon plus tax.

    The total cost of that 100 gallons was in the neighborhood of $369.00 and change.

    It's still very cold here. Many wells are freezing up. Those that have double wides or trailers are finding that when their heat goes out, the pipes underneath of the structure freeze. Fixing pipes in the middle of -5 degree weather is tough.
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    My son is a plumber and has been putting in 80+ hour weeks going around fixing broken pipes. A lot of the customers he services are living in mobile homes. It is very expensive to have a plumber come out so do what you can to keep your pipes from freezing. Letting the water run a bit helps. Flowing water has a harder time of freezing. He works on furnaces too. Lots of furnaces going out. He is in the Port Huron, MI area. Temperatures way below zero. It sure has been a hard winter so far this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loon View Post
    My son is a plumber and has been putting in 80+ hour weeks going around fixing broken pipes. A lot of the customers he services are living in mobile homes. It is very expensive to have a plumber come out so do what you can to keep your pipes from freezing. Letting the water run a bit helps. Flowing water has a harder time of freezing. He works on furnaces too. Lots of furnaces going out. He is in the Port Huron, MI area. Temperatures way below zero. It sure has been a hard winter so far this year.
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    our propane buyer for the co. that supplies us is a pretty smart cookie and usually stays ahead of these things

    we topped off for $2.70 just last week but had burned a lot more than we had anticipated because of the last hard deep freeze (our basement is propane heated)

    i have found the cheapest easiest way to trim the propane bill is w/ comfort furnace (the brand) infrared quartz heaters which put out a lot of heat for around $1/day/unit (we have 3). for our house they heat it $3/day above 20 degrees

    not strong enough below 20

    i do run a wood burning stove but it doesn't feed itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    Not really. You have to know what you are doing, and have the right connectors and tanks to transfer and walk off with a significant amount of propane.
    Thanks, WalknTrot. Pretty much what I guessed.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by doctor_fungcool View Post
    My tank was down to 20%. They put in 100 gallons at $3.49 per gallon plus tax.

    The total cost of that 100 gallons was in the neighborhood of $369.00 and change.

    It's still very cold here. Many wells are freezing up. Those that have double wides or trailers are finding that when their heat goes out, the pipes underneath of the structure freeze. Fixing pipes in the middle of -5 degree weather is tough.

    Doc, I use propane year-around [hot water, fireplace, furnace. So in the summer I lock in the going summer price [1.79 in NW Ohio].

    It seems strange that people are scrambling to find propane and paying big prices here now in the dead of winter.

    Not sure and wondering.
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    Forgive the thread drift, but how large a NG or Propane tank would be necessary for heating a 2200 sf. home in mid-Tennessee all winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
    Forgive the thread drift, but how large a NG or Propane tank would be necessary for heating a 2200 sf. home in mid-Tennessee all winter?

    TIA

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    Depends on the weather, how the house is constructed, how efficient the windows and doors are. I think most people have 500 gal tanks. In TN, you might get by with one fill a season. In northern IL we generally get through the winter with one fill of our 1K tank (they fill to 85%) and burning the woodstove most of the time.


    Back to the original topic, my BIL works for a propane company and he says the combination of unusually high demand for crop drying and a couple of pipelines have been re-purposed. Don't worry, the won will solve the problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theophilus View Post
    Doc, I use propane year-around [hot water, fireplace, furnace. So in the summer I lock in the going summer price [1.79 in NW Ohio].

    It seems strange that people are scrambling to find propane and paying big prices here now in the dead of winter.

    Not sure and wondering.
    I can't have those monkeys coming up this driveway any time they please, (mud, snow, etc.) so I don't pre-buy. Normally, we buy in the summer and it takes us through, but this has been a bad year.

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    Kasich: State of emergency for Ohio, National Guard on alert

    Federal government expanded declaration to include 10 Midwestern states

    UPDATED 7:21 PM EST Jan 21, 2014

    Wind chill advisory extended into Friday

    CINCINNATI —Ohio Gov. John Kasich declared a statewide energy emergency for all 88 counties. The federal government has now expanded that declaration to include 10 Midwestern states.


    State of emergency declaration
    The state of Ohio is under an energy emergency.
    Government expanded state of emergency to include 10...
    State and federal officials stepping in to ease strain on gas suppliers

    The frigid temps are causing a strain on the supply of propane and heating oil. Gov. John Kasich issued an emergency declaration making it possible for gas suppliers to travel more hours and more consecutive days in an effort to catch up with demand.
    The declaration was made in order to expedite the shipment of propane and heating oil to rural parts of the state.

    Officials said they have determined that propane inventories across the state are low, causing product allocations and restrictions for some customers. Kasich's declaration temporarily eases regulations on shipping companies and delivery drivers. They will be allowed to drive more hours and more consecutive days than they normally would, as long as they can still do so safely, the declaration read. Those longer hours are meant to help companies make the necessary deliveries of propane and heating oil to customers, as they are needed.

    Kasich said the shortage was caused by prolonged bitterly cold weather that forced consumers to use more energy than they otherwise would. Higher demand caused an energy shortage. More intense cold weather is also expected later this week. Kasich also said snowfall around the state had delayed scheduled deliveries in the past week.

    No petroleum products are covered under this proclamation.

    It is important for the state of Ohio to take the appropriate measures in response to this energy emergency to protect the health, safety, and welfare of Ohio citizens and visitors, Kasich said. The Ohio National Guard has been placed on standby and will be available to help in any county, as requested, Kasich said. They were authorized to transport shipments of propane and heating oil, if needed.

    Kasich also encouraged Ohioans to check on their neighbors, especially older adults and families with young children.

    Anyone who needed help was urged to call their county emergency management agency.

    The Ohio Propane Gas Association said Kasich's declaration will help bring needed supplies to consumers.

    This declaration will remain in effect until the emergency is over, but by law the emergency authorization is only valid for 30 days.

    Michigan recently issued a similar state of emergency.


    http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/...t/-/index.html

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    Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley declares state of emergency over statewide propane shortage - @whnt
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    So glad we had to replace our air conditioner and furnace last summer. Hubby went around the neighborhood to get people to sign up for natural gas. He was able to get enough that the company ran the pipeline and we are now heating with natural gas. We love it and our neighbors continually thank Hubby for getting it for the neighborhood.
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    Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley declares state of emergency over statewide propane shortage - @whnt
    Yep. Some of the poultry growers had "locked in" prices and have now been told they might not be able to get all the LP they will need, if at all. Some/several? growers said they might not be in business by summer.

    I didn't get to hear all the details, my tv volume and cable are being goofy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WalknTrot View Post
    Insulate and heat tape. If you can, enclose the relatively small area of the crawl space where the water pipes enter to block wind and retain heat from the floors. Makes a huge difference.
    Yep, and not just for mobile homes.

    Dad lives in a house and one of his vents (North side of course) wasn't closed up all the way and his pipes froze during the last deep freeze; only the second time in 50 years in that house that they did. The first time one of the vents got blown away with the high winds overnight and the pipes froze then too (like 30 or 40 yrs ago).

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    W KY, we locked in price at just over $1 gallon back in summer. Sitting with 30% right now, company is only filling 250 gallons max and none to farms.

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    One propane company here is only filling tanks to 30%, and still are not certain if they will have enough, or will run out. No relief in sight-bitterly cold next week...
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