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    Airman Punished for Opposing Gay Marriage Files Complaint

    Airman Punished for Opposing Gay Marriage Files Complaint

    Posted By toddstarnes On August 20, 2013 @ 9:47 am In Top Stories | Comments Disabled

    By Todd Starnes

    An airman who was relieved of his duties after he told his commanding officer that he could not support gay marriage has filed a formal complaint with the military alleging he is the victim of religious discrimination.

    Senior Master Sgt. Monk, a 19-year veteran of the Air Force was punished after he disagreed with his commander when she wanted to severely reprimand an instructor who had expressed religious objections to homosexuality.

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    “I was relieved of my position because I don’t agree with my commander’s position on gay marriage,” Monk told Fox News. “We’ve been told that if you publicly say that homosexuality is wrong, you are in violation of Air Force policy.”

    The Liberty Institute filed a formal complaint against Major Elisa Valenzuela on behalf of the Christian airman.

    “Major Valenzuela asked SMSgt. Monk if he could agree with her belief that openly voicing a religious or moral opposition to same-sex marriage is discrimination,” the official complaint reads. “Because of SMSgt. Monk’s sincerely held religious belief, he could not agree with the major. As a direct result, Major Valenzuela immediately relieved SMSgt. Monk from his First Sergeant duties and reassigned him to a different unit.”

    Monk was also banned from returning to his unit’s building and required special permission to retrieve his personal belongings.

    Liberty Institute attorney Michael Berry said the major’s actions are a violation of the law.

    “Your conduct constitutes unlawful discrimination,” Berry wrote in a letter to the major. “According to Department of Defense Directive 1020.02, unlawful discrimination against individuals or groups based on religion is contrary to good order and discipline, counterproductive to combat readiness and mission accomplishment, and shall not be condoned.”

    A spokesperson for Lackland Air Force Base public affairs told Fox News Monk was not punished and that he was simply at the end of his assignment.

    “They did have a disagreement, but supposedly, they agreed to disagree,” the spokesperson told Fox News. “But the wing commander said there was no punishment.

    Monk has served as a first sergeant at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio since 2011. He recently returned from a deployment and discovered he had a new commander – an open lesbian.

    “In one of our first meetings, she was talking about her promotion and she mentioned something about a benediction,” Monk told Fox News. “She said she wanted a chaplain but objected to one particular chaplain that she called a bigot because he preached that homosexuality is a sin.”

    “She then said, ‘I don’t know what kind of people actually believe that kind of crap,’” Monk said, recalling the meeting. “I knew I was going to have a rough time in this unit and I would have to be very careful what I said.”

    That moment came when Monk was called in to advise the commander on a disciplinary matter involving an Air Force instructor accused of making comments objecting to gay marriage.

    The instructor was investigated and the members of his trainees were asked if the instructor had slandered homosexuals and whether he created a hostile work environment.

    Monk said he quickly determined the instructor meant no harm by his public comments – comparing the United States with the fall of the Roman Empire.

    “He said in spite of our differences, we can’t let that happen to the United States,” Monk said. “He then used homosexual marriage as an example – saying that he didn’t believe in it – but it doesn’t matter because he was going to train them the same way.”

    Seven people filed complaints about the remarks. It then became Monk’s job to advise the commander on disciplinary action.

    “Her very first reaction was to say, ‘we need to lop off the head of this guy,’” Monk said. “The commander took the position that his speech was discrimination.”

    Monk suggested she use the incident as a learning experience – a way to teach everyone about tolerance and diversity.

    “I don’t believe someone having an opinion for or against homosexuality is discriminatory,” Monk told Fox News.

    From that point, Monk said he was told that he wasn’t on the same page as the commander and if I didn’t get on the page they were on, they would find another place for me to work.”

    “I’m being chastised about what’s going on,” he said. “I’m told that members of the Air Force don’t have freedom of speech. They don’t have the right to say anything that goes against Air Force policy.”

    Monk, who is a devout evangelical Christian, said he met with the young instructor and told him that he was fighting for him.

    “He was really concerned,” he said. “He said he felt like he was on an island – that he couldn’t be who he is anymore. He didn’t understand why somebody would be offended.”

    The instructor was eventually punished by having a letter of counseling placed in his official file.

    Monk soon found himself in a very similar position after his commander ordered him to answer a question about whether people who object to gay marriage are guilty of discrimination.

    “She said, ‘Sgt. Monk, I need to know if you can, as my first sergeant, if you can see discrimination if somebody says that they don’t agree with homosexual marriage,’” he said. “I refused to answer the question.”

    Monk said to answer would have put him in a legal predicament.

    “And as a matter of conscience I could not answer the question the way the commander wanted me to,” he said.

    At that point, Monk said that perhaps it would be best if he went on leave. The commander agreed.

    “I was essentially fired for not validating my commander’s position on having an opinion about homosexual marriage,” he said.

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...complaint.html

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    More proof that the statement that no-one was ever harmed by homosexual marriage is an outright lie.

    We don't lose our right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech, just because someone wants to live a perverted lifestyle.

    If they wanted me to treat the with respect, then they shouldn't have declared war against my religion!

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    As a retired Army First Sergeant, I can conclusively say that the bitch set him up and then relieved him of his position without due cause. Any good Commander understands that their First Sergeant (or equivalent at the Battalion or higher level) is the primary liaison with the enlisted members of their command. My Commander(s) and I disagreed quite often, but at least we were able to discuss what was best for the mission and the troops and reach agreement. And then NEITHER of us let on that we had even thought of anything different from the other. United front always. If they simply want a rubber stamper, then they likely will have a fight on their hands from any Senior Non-Commissioned Officer in such a position.

    I imagine the gaining Commander for SMSgt Monk was thanking his (her) lucky stars for an honest and faithful mentor who would help them avoid looking like a complete idiot to their soldiers.



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    Female commander took the disagreement personal and fired him. If this is not true then promote him to Chief, give him his eighth stripe and assign him First Shirt duties at his new unit. Anyway, the major's career path is probably at an end over this because the military does not like the negative publicity she has caused.

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    I don’t think there is enough in this story to say who or what is to blame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Topusaret View Post
    As a retired Army First Sergeant, I can conclusively say that the bitch set him up and then relieved him of his position without due cause. Any good Commander understands that their First Sergeant (or equivalent at the Battalion or higher level) is the primary liaison with the enlisted members of their command. My Commander(s) and I disagreed quite often, but at least we were able to discuss what was best for the mission and the troops and reach agreement. And then NEITHER of us let on that we had even thought of anything different from the other. United front always. If they simply want a rubber stamper, then they likely will have a fight on their hands from any Senior Non-Commissioned Officer in such a position.

    I imagine the gaining Commander for SMSgt Monk was thanking his (her) lucky stars for an honest and faithful mentor who would help them avoid looking like a complete idiot to their soldiers.



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    Did the Major Valenzuela ask him this stuff? Maybe she did, but we only have his version of events, of what she did or did not do? How did she ask him? I have lots and lots of questions.

    I do note that SMSgt. Monk is a devout evangelical Christian. Was he pushing *HIS* version of religion on everyone else, and so annoying everyone else? I don’t know.

    I have also met people who whatever you do they are going to do their own thing. There is no way to make them consider another person's point of view. Yes that can be true of both Major Valenzuela and SMSgt. Monk. We simply don’t have everyone's version of events, and that might include statements from other people serving / working at Lackland Air Force Base

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    “I’m being chastised about what’s going on,” he (SMSgt. Monk) said. “I’m told that members of the Air Force don’t have freedom of speech. They don’t have the right to say anything that goes against Air Force policy.”

    I was under the impression, that members of the armed forces had to be careful what they said, so complete freedom of speech was not allowed. Yes I do think members of the armed forces should be allowed their views, but there is a right and wrong way to express them, and a right and a wrong time. True for both Major Valenzuela and SMSgt. Monk.

    Makes me question just how much his view of the world was imposed on others. Yes Major Valenzuela can have "put of control" views, but she isn’t the one talking.

    Yes Major Valenzuela's career is probably finished, but is it because she made SMSgt. Monk suffer? Or did SMSgt. Monk cause so much trouble she had to act?

    And from this article, I can't tell what really went on.

    I have so many questions, I do hope a proper investigation finds out what really happened.

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    Yes Major Valenzuela's career is probably finished, but is it because she made SMSgt. Monk suffer? Or did SMSgt. Monk cause so much trouble she had to act?

    And from this article, I can't tell what really went on.
    I can. Obama has allowed openly gay and lesbian activists into positions of power to push their agenda and destroy our military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topusaret View Post
    As a retired Army First Sergeant, I can conclusively say that the bitch set him up and then relieved him of his position without due cause.
    Agreed. Sexuality of any kind shouldn't even enter into it. The primary mission is to accomplish the mission and this social engineering crap is detrimental to the force. I'm still pretty old school and although I'll be flamed I don't think that women belong in units that may experience combat and I certainly don't think they should be in command positions over males. Women have served admirably in the past but I still think their roles should be restricted and along more traditional lines that we saw in WWII and Korea. They should be paid and promoted as their male counterparts are but their role should be very limited. A commander has enough problems on his hand, he doesn't need the additional detriments to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hfcomms View Post
    Agreed. Sexuality of any kind shouldn't even enter into it. The primary mission is to accomplish the mission and this social engineering crap is detrimental to the force. I'm still pretty old school and although I'll be flamed I don't think that women belong in units that may experience combat and I certainly don't think they should be in command positions over males. Women have served admirably in the past but I still think their roles should be restricted and along more traditional lines that we saw in WWII and Korea. They should be paid and promoted as their male counterparts are but their role should be very limited. A commander has enough problems on his hand, he doesn't need the additional detriments to deal with.
    Concur, Hfcomms.

    Anrol5, why are you giving any credence to anything anti-Christian, homosexuals have to say?

    Sin is sin, and to give it "respectability" and "authority" of position in any organization that represents any organization, military or not, is a slap to the face of God.

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    I am still baffled and mad as hell that a group which makes up less than 5% of the population has managed to bamboozle, lie, cheat and do whatever it takes to get their "lifestyle" forced down the throats of the other 95% of the population. Majority used to rule. Now, it's whoever gets the best lawyer and makes the most headlines.

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    Anrol said:

    Did the Major Valenzuela ask him this stuff? Maybe she did, but we only have his version of events, of what she did or did not do? How did she ask him? I have lots and lots of questions.

    I do note that SMSgt. Monk is a devout evangelical Christian. Was he pushing *HIS* version of religion on everyone else, and so annoying everyone else? I don’t know.

    I have also met people who whatever you do they are going to do their own thing. There is no way to make them consider another person's point of view. Yes that can be true of both Major Valenzuela and SMSgt. Monk. We simply don’t have everyone's version of events, and that might include statements from other people serving / working at Lackland Air Force Base


    I agree with points one and two. We simply don't know about either issue. However, on your point three, that pretty much never happens at that level of officer and NCO. By the time those ranks have been reached, the members know what to say, what not to say, and how to keep their mouths shut when called-for. So your third point really isn't applicable IMO.

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