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    UPS Cargo Plane crash near Birmingham, AL 8/14/2013

    I'd call the area North Birmingham, but whatever. Tarrant seems to be the location; that is near the airport.

    http://www.alabamas13.com/story/2313...am-plane-crash

    East Birmingham Plane Crash
    Posted: Aug 14, 2013 5:29 AM CDT Updated: Aug 14, 2013 5:29 AM CDT

    By Mary Beth Harrison - email


    BIRMINGHAM, AL -
    We have breaking news out of East Birmingham this morning where a large plane has crashed near the Birmingham airport.

    According to initial reports a UPS Cargo Plane has crashed near 19th Avenue North and North East Lake Boulevard. Alabama's 13 has a crew on the scene and according to the crew the plane is burning and the crew is not allowed to get closer due to explosions. There have now been atleast 3 explosions. There could be debris covering about half a mile.



    Again Alabama's 13 has a crew on the scene and will bring you the latest as we receive more information.
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    Early info on plane crash near BHM // Large aircraft crash in Tarrant - http://www.abc3340.com/story/2313215...-HN1yU.twitter … via @abc3340



    Large aircraft crash in Tarrant
    Posted: Aug 14, 2013 5:28 AM CDT Updated: Aug 14, 2013 5:28 AM CDT

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    Large aircraft crash in Tarrant

    Updated: Aug 14, 2013 5:28 AM CDT


    Birmingham Police confirm a "large aircraft crash" happened early Wednesday morning. The area of the crash is near Airport Road and Huffman Road. Officers will be closing some roads to allow for emergency


    TARRANT - AL -
    Birmingham Police confirm a "large aircraft crash" happened early Wednesday morning. The area of the crash is near Airport Road and Huffman Road. Officers will be closing some roads to allow for emergency responders to have unrestricted access to the area.

    The ABC 33/40 photographer on the scene says it is a UPS cargo plane. Toni Herrera-Bast with the Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport has just confirmed that a cargo plane did crash. However, she says that is all the information she has at this time.

    We'll bring you updates as they develop.

    http://www.abc3340.com/story/2313215...-HN1yU.twitter

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    Awful...... not much yet:

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    Mainly light to moderate rain in the #Birmingham, AL area where a #UPS plane has crashed this morning.
    pic.twitter.com/cQMdNPTz5p

    Rain map:

    https://twitter.com/WTSP10News/statu...414528/photo/1

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    Breaking News: #UPS Cargo Plane has crashed in a field near the airport in #Birmingham, AL.
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    It is sounding like it crashed in a field (there are some close to airport). That's good if true, because there are houses and businesses pretty close that could have been hit.

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    video on Ch 13 shows two explosions from the plane. Fire is keeping reporters away, roads are blocked off.

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    More: UPS plane crashed while on approach to Birmingham, Alabama, airport, FAA says - @AP

    5 mins ago by editor


    Update: UPS Flight 1354, an A300 en route from Louisville, Kentucky, to Birmingham, Alabama, has crashed, FAA confirms - @spann, @WAPIRadio

    8 mins ago by editor
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    Two people on board plane are unaccounted for per FOX 6 news. Live on tv (B'ham)

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    Updated: Aug 14, 2013 7:08 AM EST

    *snip*

    Alabama's 13 was on the scene and say the plane is still burning. The crew spoke to neighbors and they say the heard a large boom and then several other explosions. The media has been asked to move back due these explosions. There could be debris covering about half a mile.

    http://www.alabamas13.com/story/2313...am-plane-crash
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    Brett Akagi‏@bakagi41s
    #Birmingham UPS cargo plane crash, unconfirmed report of possible hazardous materials aboard.

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    *snip*

    We do not yet know how many were injured. We do know there were two pilots on board. A primary search has been done and no one has yet been found.

    http://www.wmctv.com/story/23132308/...ear-birmingham
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    Birmingham airport is operating, two planes have departed since UPS cargo plane crash this morning which happened just short of airport



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    @anthonywx: Massive fire burning! Picture of #UPS cargo #plane crash in #Birmingham #Alabama via WVTM TV. pic.twitter.com/m1I3ZYdkIE



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    Paulo Salazar‏@PauloSalazar3423s
    The UPS flight was a large Cargo plane. It's unclear what caused the plane to crash and just how close to the airport the crash occured.

    Brian Kapolka‏@Kap25821m
    MT“@TrafficNate: Multiple roads closed around Birmingham Int Airport. Details still coming in on the UPS cargo plane crash nearby" @sem1123

    Megan West ‏@MeganWestWAPT1m
    RT“@abc3340: BREAKING NEWS: All roads around the Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport are now closed. Related to cargo plane crash.”

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    David Earl‏@DavidEarlLive13m
    #BREAKING: MAP where crash is in relation to the airport: “@spann: #UPS plane crash site near #Birmingham Airport pic.twitter.com/ZgSjZQimOk”



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    supposed to be raw footage. short clip I can't embed because of flash


    http://www.wral.com/news/national_wo.../#/vid12774074


    RAW: Plane burns after crashing at Alabama airport
    A UPS cargo plane caught fire Wednesday morning after crashing on approach near an airport in Birmingham, Alabama.
    Today - 6:28am

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    Update: East Birmingham Plane Crash

    Posted: Aug 14, 2013 5:29 AM CDTUpdated: Aug 14, 2013 6:27 AM CDT
    By Mary Beth Harrison - email


    BIRMINGHAM, AL - Update:

    We have breaking news out of East Birmingham this morning where a large plane has crashed near the Birmingham airport.

    According to the Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen the A300 plane crashed on approach to the airport just before dawn. Bergen says the plane was en route from Louisville, KY.

    According to initial reports it was a UPS Cargo Plane. It crashed near 19th Avenue North and North East Lake Boulevard in an open field that used to be a neighborhood. That field is now owned by the airport.

    Alabama's 13 was on the scene and say the plane is still burning. The crew spoke to neighbors and they say the heard a large boom and then several other explosions. The media has been asked to move back due these explosions. There could be debris covering about half a mile.

    Again Alabama's 13 has a crew on the scene and will bring you the latest as we receive more information.

    http://www.alabamas13.com/story/2313...am-plane-crash

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    Wow MT “@BigMoose1031: MT @ABC: Birmingham, AL Fire Dept. confirms cargo plane crash at airport there. Two fatalities have been confirmed”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    supposed to be raw footage. short clip I can't embed because of flash


    http://www.wral.com/news/national_wo.../#/vid12774074

    RAW: Plane burns after crashing at Alabama airport
    A UPS cargo plane caught fire Wednesday morning after crashing on approach near an airport in Birmingham, Alabama.
    Today - 6:28am
    - wow that's nasty!!!


    Mayor of Birmingham, Alabama, says no structures involved in UPS cargo plane crash; only pilot, co-pilot on board
    - @todayshow

    6 mins ago by editor
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    NTSB is gathering information on this morning's crash of UPS A306 cargo airplane in Birmingham, Alabama
    - @NTSB

    1 min ago from twitter.com/NTSB by editor
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    Wow, this could have been a whole lot worse. Terrible for the two pilots, but crashing into that field saved lots of lives on the ground.

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    @NTSB tweeted:

    NTSB is launching a full Go-Team to investigate this morning's crash of a UPS A306 in Birmingham, AL.

    1 min ago from twitter.com by editor
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    video
    http://video-embed.al.com/services/p...vrX1zHOEtf9iIT

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    http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/...cart_big-photo

    A UPS cargo plane has crashed in the vicinity of Airport and Huffman roads near Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport.
    Watch here for live updates from AL.com reporters in the field.
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    Plane crashes near Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport

    Mike D. Smith | msmith@al.com

    A UPS cargo plane has crashed in the vicinity of Airport and Huffman roads near Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport. A police officer at the scene said the two pilots on board remain unaccounted for. The plane went down around 4:55 a.m., officials say. There were up to five explosions after the plane went down, witnesses heard.


    Plane crashes near Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport

    Live stream from Birmingham UPS plane crash

    VIDEO: Authorities respond to crash
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    Mayor Bell just gave interview on WBRC Fox and said he didn't know of any hazardous material/cargo on plane other than jet fuel.

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    It appears that the plane was attempting to land on Runway 18 and for some reason fell short of the runway and crashed. Runway 18-36 is about 7100 feet long, maybe a bit on the short side for an Airbus 300 series plane but definitely doable. Runway 6-24 is about 12000 feet long.

    Here's some info on Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport:

    http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBHM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffy View Post
    It appears that the plane was attempting to land on Runway 18 and for some reason fell short of the runway and crashed. Runway 18-36 is about 7100 feet long, maybe a bit on the short side for an Airbus 300 series plane but definitely doable. Runway 6-24 is about 12000 feet long.

    Here's some info on Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport:

    http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBHM
    Maybe. The weather guy on WBRC (local B'ham station) is a pilot and he said it looked like they might have been making a final turn to land on 24, because it didn't make sense to land on the shorter runway. (also, that runway puts them near the cargo area of the airport)

    He said the rain was light and they would/should have been making an instrument landing.

    I didn't catch the rest of what he said. I believe he was speculating, but, I missed the beginning of what he said.
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    posted for fair use

    Update: Fatalities confirmed in Birmingham plane crash
    Posted: Aug 14, 2013 5:46 AM CDT Updated: Aug 14, 2013 7:40 AM CDT

    By Nate Hall - email


    BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC) -
    A spokesperson for the Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport has confirmed a plane crash on Wednesday morning.
    Toni Herrera-Bast says a large cargo plane crashed around 5 a.m. in an open area near North Eastlake Boulevard. The crash scene is not within the airport fence.
    UPS spokesperson Mike Mangeot has confirmed the plane to be Flight 1354, a UPS A-300 Airbus plane with tail number N155UP and two crew members aboard. The flight originated out of Louisville, Kentucky and crashed upon approach in Birmingham.
    Birmingham Mayor William Bell says Birmingham Fire crews have found the pilot and copilot deceased at the scene.

    "Our thoughts and prayers are with the crew," said Nangeot.
    Mangeot adds there are typically two flights to Birmingham in a day, one during the daytime and one at night.
    Chris Brookes, an assistant fire chief of operations with Birmingham Fire and Rescue, says crews are not sure if there are fatalities on the ground. Fire crews are still working to put out fires from the wreck. Brookes says he believes the damage to be spread over a distance of about a half mile.
    Officials with Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport say the crash will not affect air traffic.

    We have a crew at the scene. Stay with this story or watch Good Day Alabama for the latest info.
    Copyright 2013 WBRC. All rights reserved.




    Debris is scattered about the area where the plane crashed. (Photo: Fox6 video)



    An impact trail can be seen at location of the crashed plane. (Photo: Clare Huddleston)



    Crews work to extinguish flames amid the wreckage.



    This is a photo of the plane involved in the wreck. (Photo: UPS)



    Officers secure the surrounding area. (Photo: Clare Huddleston



    http://www.myfoxal.com/story/2313229...sworth-airport

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    per live interview ch 6 WBRC

    plane dropped 7,000 feet in two minutes. (reporter said did not know if that was normal)

    visibility was only 10 miles.

    Resident says heard plane sputtering, then a loud boom.

    plane knocked some trees (only 30 foot tall) and some power lines down

    Jerry Chandler (aviation expert):
    says 7k foot drop in 2 min is NOT normal drop profile
    Last edited by Lilbitsnana; 08-14-2013 at 08:25 AM.

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    NTSB expects to be on the ground at B'ham by 11 AM CDT

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    per Mayor Bell's office:

    No Distress Call before crash.

    Crash was 900 yards from airport

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    Mayor Bell just gave interview on WBRC Fox and said he didn't know of any hazardous material/cargo on plane other than jet fuel.
    Not trying to inject rumors here (and on the news -- WSB---just heard they're already saying no terrorism involved) but the raw video posted above (http://www.wral.com/news/national_wo.../#/vid12774074 ) and the reports posted above of neighbors hearing a "boom" BEFORE the plane crashed---make it sound as though the plane exploded in the air and THEN crashed.

    The raw video shows the majority of the plane on fire in the field, but the NOSECONE of the plane, including the cockpit, broken away from the plane, completely whole, and in an entirely different orientation from the rest of the plane--as if the plane broke apart in mid-air and the pieces landed separately (consistent with an explosion IN the air).

    Watch the video (all the way to the end--where he shows firefighters looking at the cockpit with flashlights) and tell me what you think...

    (edited to add pic)--first pic is of cockpit, 2nd is of orientation of the rest of the plane (at right angles to or almost 360 degrees turned around from orientation of cockpit) In the 2nd picture you can see the cockpit off to the right.
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    I keep thinking about the Bengazi story about the 400 'missing' SAMs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffy View Post
    It appears that the plane was attempting to land on Runway 18 and for some reason fell short of the runway and crashed. Runway 18-36 is about 7100 feet long, maybe a bit on the short side for an Airbus 300 series plane but definitely doable. Runway 6-24 is about 12000 feet long.

    Here's some info on Birmingham-Shuttlesworth Airport:

    http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBHM
    WBRC just confirmed you were right about which runway they were trying to land on
    Last edited by Lilbitsnana; 08-14-2013 at 09:32 AM.

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    CM, it hit trees and power lines (now WBRC said not sure about the power lines, but did get tops of trees) before the crash. Also, the plane should have had it's nose slightly up on approach, so it would make sense if the tail hit the hill for the front to snap off. (not a pilot or an expert, but would make sense to me)


    ETA: even if it does end up being terrorist or something, we won't be told
    Last edited by Lilbitsnana; 08-14-2013 at 09:37 AM. Reason: updated reporter info

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    Some debris hit some nearby homes (in and around B'ham area...quote from news anchor WBRC)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    CM, it hit trees and power lines before the crash. Also, the plane should have had it's nose slightly up on approach, so it would make sense if the tail hit the hill for the front to snap off. (not a pilot or an expert, but would make sense to me)


    ETA: even if it does end up being terrorist or something, we won't be told
    Yes, I read that, but that was AFTER the "unexpected and abnormal" (per above posts) sudden "drop" of 7000 FEET---and apparently AFTER the neighbors heard the "boom"----your own post above reports the neighbors saying "The crew spoke to neighbors and they say the heard a large boom and then several other explosions."---the first 'large boom' could have been an in-air explosion, then the other explosions when it hit things coming down and hitting the ground. Of course, it just as well could be the large boom was when it hit ground and the smaller explosions were from fuel burning---but then it would seem to me the "large boom" (that came FIRST) should NOT have been louder (from it hitting trees and things) than the later "smaller" booms----shouldn't the LOUDEST boom have been when it hit the ground?---which would make it a later boom, not an earlier one...?

    Not trying to be argumentative; just wondering about the odd configuration of the pieces and the early reports we have coming in--and especially about that "7000 feet" drop the plane experienced before the first "boom" was heard...(or at the same time, I wonder?)...

    ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    per live interview ch 6 WBRC

    plane dropped 7,000 feet in two minutes. (reporter said did not know if that was normal)

    visibility was only 10 miles.

    Resident says heard plane sputtering, then a loud boom.

    plane knocked some trees (only 30 foot tall) and some power lines down

    Jerry Chandler (aviation expert):
    says 7k foot drop in 2 min is NOT normal drop profile
    "only 30 feet tall"---so was the plane falling flat straight DOWN? No one saw it coming down, apparently, until it hit the ground...

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    I keep thinking about the Bengazi story about the 400 'missing' SAMs.....
    Me, too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
    per Mayor Bell's office:

    No Distress Call before crash.

    Crash was 900 yards from airport

    900 yard---within range for a SAM?
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    I'm wondering if they were carrying cargo that was either flamable, or volitile with pressure changes and exploded in the cargo bay. Not that it was terrorism, but that someone shipping something they weren't supposed to, or wasn't noted in the contents.

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    "only 30 feet tall"---so was the plane falling flat straight DOWN? No one saw it coming down, apparently, until it hit the ground...

    The reporter said the trees were only about 30 ft tall...maybe he just has a bad judgement of heights?

    It was dark when it happened (4:45 AM our time), not likely many people awake and outside at that time (one resident was awake, but not outside, she was the one that heard the "sputtering" before the crash/boom).

    I would think a SAM has more range than 900 yds, but again, not a weapons expert either.

    That area has hills and trees even though it is one of the lower areas as far as the hills/mtns go.

    News just said it DID bring down a power pole and some power lines themselves. (reverting back to their original version)

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    Black box results will be interesting---if (as someone noted above) they ever TELL us the truth (remember how the muslim terrorist shooter on the military base is being treated like a hero and given special protection, per a thread here? And they STILL refuse to call what he did a 'terrorist' attack, but only a 'criminal' one, I think)
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    Based on what we've been told and the location of the crash, it appears they were trying to land on Rwy 18. The plane should have been on an instrument approach given the rain and weather in the area at the time, so descent rate should have been about 1000 ft/min or somewhere in that range. 7000 ft in 2 minutes might be normal if that occurred 10 minutes or more before getting on the instrument glide slope.

    Looking at the debris pattern, an explosion is quite possible. If there was an explosion, did it occur from outside (a missile) or from a device within the plane? Are there any witnesses that may have seen a missile streaking from the ground before the crash? We'll have to wait and see....

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