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    I HATE COYOTES!

    Lost my 2nd fur-baby in 7 months today (or more accurately, yesterday).

    Best I can tell, same cause---coyotes.

    First lost my Maine Coon, Elbereth, (hardly ever called, however, by her hifalutin name, but variously known in our family as "Squirt", "Kitten", "Fuzzybritches", "Flufftail", and "Fuzzbucket") in December last year.

    In January, my husband and sons, seeing how I was still grieving over her, picked up (at the hardware store) from a litter of 'found' kittens) a little grey/black/brown brindled hairball with white socks whom they said looked "just like" my baby.

    It was too soon, really---I was still grieving over my little girl---but for their sakes, because they were so sure this was "Elbereth II", I said ok.

    And Lovable---so named because none of us had ever seen a kitty so crazy about being loved on---CONSTANTLY wanted to be petted, or was rubbing against our legs, or sitting in our laps, or crying to be toted, or lying on my stomach "making mashed potatoes" with her feet----grew on me in spite of myself.

    And almost from the beginning she made it CLEAR she was an ALPHA-cat. She feared NOTHING. And she WOULD NOT just be a house cat!

    I didn't let her outside until she was much bigger, remembering what had happened to "Fuzzy"--and then only usually in the company of our big, 'street-smart' tomcat (who had adopted her as his little sister and playmate). I figured he'd have the good sense to help her stay safe in the yard, if he saw any danger.

    But yesterday afternoon---late, about 5 or 6 pm, when I opened the carport door, Scamp (the tom) rushed in, and "Kitten" (we were nicknaming her, too) rushed out.

    I had an uneasy feeling, and walked out in the yard with her for a while, figuring that if anything was out there, maybe if it saw me it would go away. Then I decided to bring her back in, and tried to catch her, but she'd gotten friskier and friskier in the yard, and when she saw me coming she'd sprint further away, so I stopped following her to stop her from running out of the yard. I figured she'd come back in a little while, or climb up on top of our cars to sit, as she usually did.

    But night came....and she didn't come back.

    It got late--and she didn't come back.

    This morning came---still not back.

    And I remember that Scamp, when he rushed in last night, had that same air of "scared-ness" about him, that he'd had on the day my last "Kitten" disappeared last December. That was one reason I immediately felt uneasy when she went out.

    So both times, "I" let my kitty out and right into the jaws of the coyotes.

    God, I wish I could catch and kill those ......^&*%^$*&^!!!

    So, all in all, it's just been a lovely day.



    I know, in the grand scheme of things, this is such a little matter. After all, some of you have very deep and real problems with beloved family members, health-wise or job-wise or relationship-wise, and we're all living under the specter of so many possible horrific national and world scenarios. So I feel bad jamming up the bandwidth with my small problems.

    It's just that---some days, all it would take is just that one more little "straw"--you know?
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    Don't give up. Go call her.

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    Our everyday life with all it's ups and downs is what it is...........so sorry you lost your beloved cat..........I have an outdoor cat and pray over him all the time.......he climbs up onto our duplex roof when it feels threatened........

    perhaps you need to make a "catwalk" for your friends to escape higher when threatened.......mine jumps onto a table on the patio then onto a divinding wall and up to a low eave.................
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    Awww, I'm so sorry to read this countrymouse. Maybe she'll come back. Mine have stayed gone a couple days at a time on occasion. Get some traps and kill the coyotes.

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    I agree, don't give up yet!!

    I don't know what to tell you, unfortunately. I have also had cats who simply were terribly unhappy if they weren't allowed outside.. and we live in boonies, where there are tons of dangers and predators. Our beloved Alien cat- a neutered tom who we rescued from the haymow when his ancient mother (she was AT least 17... and she died about 7 weeks after we "kidnapped" the kitten, simply dropping of a heart attack in midstride on a farm road) kept forgetting she had a kitten- vanished just before Thanksgiving last fall. He was 13, but in prime condition, and he was VERY roadwise. Even though on our road, he'd be in bigger danger of getting run over by a horse and buggy than a speeding car.

    I'm sure Alien ran into something... we had lost our two "protector" English Shepherds who had made it part of their life's work to protect him, and our current pup was only 7 months, and not allowed outside to guard yet.

    I spent weeks kicking myself for "allowing" him to go outside, but eventually realized that he would have never been happy kept indoors.

    At least we now have some very protective dogs again, and if I decide to keep a house cat again, they'll protect it. When Alien was a young cat, Lucky (our English Shepherd at the time) suddenly went crazy in the house, demanding to be liet outside immediately. I did, wondering why in the world he was interested in a cat fight (the only thing 'unusual" I could hear going on outside). A few minutes later, he "knocked" to be let back in, but when I opened the door, he stepped back and "escorted" Alien through the door ahead of him. When I saw the cat dripping blood, I realized that he was somehow involved in the cat fight- but since he'd been neutered for a couple years, I couldn't figure that out!!

    I figured it out 61 days later when our other house cat had kittens- 1 regular 3 ounce domestic shorthair kitten... and 3, 7 ounce Bobcat cross kittens! Apparently, the Bobcat had been attracted by her being in season (and she was another indoor/outdoor cat) and Lucky (the dog) found Alien being attacked by the Bobcat, and fought it off, then "escorted" Alien back to the house.

    As far as coyotes, our English Shepherds actively enforce a "red line" where the local coyotes simply aren't allowed to cross... currently about 150 yards above our farthest barn. It worries me some, since we've got BIG 'yotes around here- the hired kit shot a male that weighted 87#!!- and it DNA tested as pure Eastern Coyote... we were almost sure it had to be a cross with either wolf or dog. So, given the size of the things, having a 50#+/- dog out there keeping them pushed back from the buildings every night seemed a little risky. But it's worked very well for several years. I wonder how "much" dog it would take to keep them away from your yard? In fact, I wonder if there is some other way... maybe "predator urine" which is more dominant than the 'yotes?

    I dunno... but don't give up hope just yet on finding your kitty...

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    So sorry CM. I lost one today too. Had to have her put down cause I didn't have the 6-800 they wanted to treat her.
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    CM,
    What part of the country do you live in? I'm sorry to hear of your missing kitty.
    And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
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    Oh my, I am sorry for your loss, and for your Cardinal. I hope your shows up CM.

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    CM don't give up hope yet on your kitty. Cats are pretty amazing in their ability to show up again out of nowhere. I understand your feeling about the coyotes. We have them and Fishers(big weasel) here that prey on pets. I'll shoot either on sight if possible. Cardinal, sorry for your loss also. Went through similar recently, except the treatment didn't work, and ended up having to put him down. Pets are family, and it's always very sad when something bad happens to one of them.

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    It's no fun losing fur babies no matter how they go.

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    I'm so sorry for your pain Countrymouse and Cardinal.

    I hope when the time comes that I have to say goodbye, that it might be easier to keep remembering that kitty had a happy life.

    (((hugs)))

  12. I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm in northern MI, and in my neck of the woods, all of the cats have to be brought in at night, otherwise it's a given that they won't be around long. It's not just coyotes, but prey birds too. Keep praying!

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    So sorry to hear this Countrymouse and Cardinal. We all love our fur babies.

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    What you do is download the Pro Game Caller app on your smart phone. Find a speaker that will plug into it, then start the calling with a squelling rabbit. Watch them come running, then start popping them with the rifle. Watched 2 of my big Deleware roosters take on a coyote one evening. They kept him running around crazy until all the hens had cleared the area. Coyote finally ended up getting one rooster dinner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PilotFighter View Post
    What you do is download the Pro Game Caller app on your smart phone. Find a speaker that will plug into it, then start the calling with a squelling rabbit. Watch them come running, then start popping them with the rifle. Watched 2 of my big Deleware roosters take on a coyote one evening. They kept him running around crazy until all the hens had cleared the area. Coyote finally ended up getting one rooster dinner.

    This is my excuse for keeping so many extra roosters and male ducks. My free ranging flock needs the extra protection that the territorial males give. It's better that they give their lives to protect the hens and chicks, then end up in a stew pot.

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    There was a dead coyote down at my mail box last year and I left it there to ward off others. Finally, when nothing was left but something flat my (bad) dogs dragged it around until there was really nothing left but bits of fur.

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  17. Ummm, may I suggest getting a dog big enough to kill coyotes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by American Rage View Post
    Ummm, may I suggest getting a dog big enough to kill coyotes?

    I have two German Shepherds.

    They have to be kept in the (fenced) back yard (a little over an acre big), due to the high traffic in our area, so they won't get out in the street and get killed (plus, they don't have the sense to stay in the yard).

    However, the dogs--much as I love them--can't seem to understand that the cats are NOT squirrels, and I've had a few near-misses where the cats went into the back yard and were nearly caught and killed by my shepherds. They (the cats) no longer go back there---only in the (UN-fenced) FRONT yard--about another acre large---and the coyotes are apparently either coming from an overgrown area across the street (we've SEEN them do so, late at night) OR from an overgrown area behind my house formed by the back yards of a church and several neighbors' properties--land I do not own and have no authority over.

    I can't get either the county animal control or a private trapper to come try to find the coyotes, because their den is not on MY land, and I've been unsuccessful getting ether the subdivision across the street or my neighbors interested in looking into this.

    Apparently the coyotes are going to have to drag off someone's small child before the community will wake up.

    My husband and I have seen the coyotes brazenly crossing our 5-lane busy street in front of our house, during all hours of the day and of the night, and have heard them hunting in groups, howling both across the street and from in behind us in the woods.

    I've thought about fencing in the front yard, too, but zoning rules (re ROW) would demand I put the fence in the MIDDLE of the front yard---not at the edge of it---so I'd have a fence going smack through the center of the yard separating our trees, flower beds, etc.--it would look stupid and be in the way.

    I've thought of at least running the fence down the SIDES of the yard--maybe buying a cheap fence that is green and won't show much, and putting it up on those posts with hooks, so if the county comes after me for erecting it it can be easily taken down; I don't know.

    And yes, we've been looking for the kitty. Of course we have. Since the evening she disappeared. I was out looking for her this morning at 3 am, and half hoping I'd run into one of those bastard coyotes so I could kill the damned thing.

    (and you folks know I normally don't talk that way)

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    This is one main reason we don't have a cat anymore. Cats either have to be kept strictly in the house or they will be taken by coyotes, bob cats or fisher cats. Even the large coon cats get eaten up here. You just don't have outside cats, period. No matter how much they cry for outside, you can't let them out because the yotes up here hunt all day AND night. No problem with all the woods around. They hunt the woods during the day and prowl thru the inhabited areas at night. I walk the dogs with my pistol on at night. During the winter when nobody much is around I have seen them run in packs right down the road, midday.

    Just because a cat is streetwise, doesn't make it coyote wise. And coyotes are fast, they can corner a cat dinner pretty fast. Cats are up there in the top ten list of favorite foods.

    If you want to keep a cat, keep it indoors woman or you will keep going thru this.

    OR, hunt the coyotes and get rid of them. It's either or.
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    They may have been carried away by coyotes, but it's also possible that they were spooked and ended up hiding in someone's back yard who took them in and either gave them a home, took them to the shelter, or gave them to someone else.

    I hate to say this, but when it comes to big, loving cats, a lot of people aren't in any hurry to find the owner, especially if it was hiding under a porch, came in, and just charmed its way into the household, as coonies are wont to do. They'll think the owner didn't take care of it (or make some other excuse) and just let the cat become a member of the household. If the cat happens to like the fare and attention better there, bye-bye kitty.

    I know that's not fair, but not every cat wants to return home for whatever reason.

    That's why it's important to keep putting the missing signs out and be a thorn in everyone's side. Make it clear that you want kitty home NOW. That at least puts the people on notice that you do care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    I spent weeks kicking myself for "allowing" him to go outside, but eventually realized that he would have never been happy kept indoors. Summerthyme
    It may also have been his time to go, too. Sometimes they look healthy but have heart conditions or other genetic problems. Not all deaths are lingering, like renal failure. I'm sorry to hear of his passing! I understand why you don't want anymore animals in the house, but I hope one of those red tabbies finds its way in. (:

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    LOL! One of them did... briefly. First "smart" cat I've had which flat out refused to learn to use a litter box. She's back in the barn...

    And I should clarify that it's not that I don't want animals in the house... just that we have three dogs (and 7 Border Collie puppies) and that creates enough dirt and mess that I'm going to have to REALLY like a cat before I bring one inside. For one thing, I don't believe it's fair to one to make it a house cat, and then kick it back out to the barn if it doesn't work out! The kitten adapted well enough since she had been a barn cat, and didn't get a chance to really acclimate inside. But my main winter activity is quilting, and I'll admit I'm getting tired of having to wash half-finished quilts to get rid of the cat hair! LOL!

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    We found our kitten's body. (she was only a kitten, not a full-grown cat--we only had her spayed about a month and a half ago).

    Seems the bold little "I'm scared of nothing" kitty got into our fenced back yard--where the German Shepherds are---and....

    Sadly, we are now going to lose TWO pets because of this, because I am not keeping a dog that kills cats.

    I know which of my German Shepherds it was---"Precious" is a big sweet dopey galumphing high-spirited pony of a dog, but she just has had all the 'good horse sense' bred out of her. My other German Shepherd, Sweetie, is an angel who wouldn't hurt a fly--I rescued her from a breeder and it took six months of intensive GENTLE treatment to get her over her fear of people, and to even just eat out of her bowl or come anywhere near us, after what her former owner (the breeder) did to her. Precious, on the other hand, we bought as a puppy from a policeman who bred his two purebred-GS dogs, but from the time she was little it was obvious she just didn't have any sense. We thought she'd make a good companion for Sweetie, but she's become a bit too bossy over her, and I ended up getting a new dog from the pound---Lady, my Border Collie, to be companion for Sweetie (and because I've had Border Collies for over 40 years now and just love the breed). Neither Lady nor Sweetie have ever tried to hurt my cats, but Precious just couldn't "get" it, despite all my efforts to train her, and to show her that CATS are NOT SQUIRRELS. She just can't seem to grasp the concept, as Lady and Sweetie have.

    I know some readers here are close by (relatively speaking) in Georgia. I am in the Atlanta area. I want to make the offer to you first, before I go to the vet (who works in pet rescue). Would anyone like to have a 2-year old German Shepherd? She's spayed and up to date on all shots. I'll try to get a picture done and up tomorrow.

    I want her to have a good home, but sorry, I can't have a pet that kills my other pets.

    She's fine with other dogs, but obviously won't work with cats or other small animals--she just doesn't 'get' it that they're not prey.

    Thanks.
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    Jack, IRONSKULL, is looking for a German Shepherd. PM him, see if he is interested. Would have to get transport because he is near Flint, MI, but we might be able to set a relay up here on the board.

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    NEVER AGAIN!

    The problem is that people keep screaming:"The wolf is coming, the wolf is coming!" so often that we never notice the coyote that is running off with the chickens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustMusher View Post
    Jack, IRONSIDE, is looking for a German Shepherd. PM him, see if he is interested. Would have to get transport because he is near Flint, MI, but we might be able to set a relay up here on the board.

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    Thanks. Will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DustMusher View Post
    Jack, IRONSIDE, is looking for a German Shepherd. PM him, see if he is interested. Would have to get transport because he is near Flint, MI, but we might be able to set a relay up here on the board.

    DM

    Did you mean IRONSKULL? I don't see an "Ironside" in the member list, and I seem to remember Ironskull's given name is Jack...???
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    Coyote is the only thing I've ever killed that I didn't intend to eat.

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    Our two Great Pyrenees hate Yotes and if they even get too close they will kill them. GP get along fine with our cat even when he was a kitten. GS seem to be better house guards, and most seem to like cats to much. GP protect our livestock and patrol the whole property, they could care less of whats going on in the house, but when spooked hide in the horse barn, also the GP seem to be vary gun/loud noises shy, where as the GS are not in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    Did you mean IRONSKULL? I don't see an "Ironside" in the member list, and I seem to remember Ironskull's given name is Jack...???
    Yup, it's Ironskull. And he is looking for a Shepherd. Now, whether he has cats at his home is another story but it's worth asking.

    A picture of Precious would go a long way here to maybe finding her a new home among the membership.

    I am sorry she killed your kitten but some dogs just have a high prey drive and it can't be trained out of them. Our Malamute "might" be one of those but I have never let her off leash to find out about it. The doodle dog loves to kill red squirrels so she might also be a danger to cats, don't know cause we haven't had any since getting her.

    Good luck finding a new home for Precious. I see lot's of ads about dogs who must go to homes with no cats. It's not an unusual situation. Some dogs just think they are prey.
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    We have had several dogs who would kill cats over the years and through much patience and diligence I trained the dogs to not kill the cats. We kept the cats and dogs in our home together. I kept the dog on a long line in our home and every time she tried to chase the cats, I yelled, "no cats"! Eventually, she did not chase the cats anymore. One time a stray, sick, feral teenager kitten got into her fenced in backyard and she did grab it and gave it a bad puncture wound. I took it to the vet who put it down because the feral kitten was so sick anyways. The fenced in backyard was her territory and the she was protecting it.

    Most large dogs will protect their turf. The only large dog I've had that did not chase cats was a german shepherd/border collie mix who was raised with kittens.

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    Well here's the odd thing. Last winter, during the coldest days (for about 2 weeks total) we had to keep all 3 dogs indoors with our cats (we had 3 indoor cats as well then). During those days together, the dogs and cats got along FINE--even Precious. In fact, she seemed rather more SCARED of the cats (because they hissed at her every time they passed one another) than aggressive towards them. While in the house, Precious seemed to understand that the cats were fellow pets, not prey. But, as soon as Precious was outdoors (in her own 'territory') again, the aggressiveness towards cats returned. It was weird--inside the house, she seemed to understand that the cats were 'off limits'; outside, she again saw them as 'fair game'.

    Will be putting up a pic in a few minutes...
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    okay, here's a couple I just got while giving her her daily morning "crackers".

    I'll try to put up some more once my son is available to hold her still while I take them (she keeps trying to run up to me to kiss me and I can't hold her still & take the picture at the same time)

    The one sitting at attention in the 2nd photo is Precious; the dog behind her is Sweetie (whom I'm keeping)
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    Yeah, some dogs simply have WAY too high of a prey drive to keep from killing cats. They can be taught IF raised with cats from puppyhood, but stopping a confirmed cat killer isn't easy.. and sometimes just isn't possible.

    Most of our Akitas were like that... they accepted the cats who were born on the farm, but were death to ANY strange cat. No way to break them of it, either. And when we boarded my Mom's Akita (who wasn't raised around cats), she wiped out about half the semi-feral barn cats in a week. Believe me, that dog wasn't going to be retrainable under any normal circumstances...

    I'm sorry you lost the kitten, but at least you're not out there looking for days... (it sucks, but at least for me, I'd rather KNOW what happened than always wonder)

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerthyme View Post
    Yeah, some dogs simply have WAY too high of a prey drive to keep from killing cats. They can be taught IF raised with cats from puppyhood, but stopping a confirmed cat killer isn't easy.. and sometimes just isn't possible.

    Most of our Akitas were like that... they accepted the cats who were born on the farm, but were death to ANY strange cat. No way to break them of it, either. And when we boarded my Mom's Akita (who wasn't raised around cats), she wiped out about half the semi-feral barn cats in a week. Believe me, that dog wasn't going to be retrainable under any normal circumstances...

    I'm sorry you lost the kitten, but at least you're not out there looking for days... (it sucks, but at least for me, I'd rather KNOW what happened than always wonder)

    Summerthyme
    That's IT exactly---when I lost "Squirt" last December to the coyotes (and I'm sure that THAT was coyotes, not my dog, for a number of reasons), the hardest thing was her just disappearing, without a trace, and we never knew what became of her. We couldn't even give her a decent burial (as we did the kitten, yesterday; the dog may catch / kill the cat, but at least she does not see it as "food", as she does squirrels and mice).

    PS---sent you a PM here on TB.
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    Yes I meant IRONSKULL bad case of OldTimers plus an ad for the new TV show of Ironside was on not too long ago

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    NEVER AGAIN!

    The problem is that people keep screaming:"The wolf is coming, the wolf is coming!" so often that we never notice the coyote that is running off with the chickens.

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    We've got a bunch of chickens and ducks. Our cats love to sit next to the chicken feeding dishes, and watch for sparrows.
    The cats can be mobbed by chicks and ducklings, not a predatory thought in their head. A sparrow lands near the feed, and suddenly
    a tigress emerges to snap up a tasty treat. (The chickens continue eating as if nothing has happened...)
    shōu xnyngkă ma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possible Impact View Post
    We've got a bunch of chickens and ducks. Our cats love to sit next to the chicken feeding dishes, and watch for sparrows.
    The cats can be mobbed by chicks and ducklings, not a predatory thought in their head. A sparrow lands near the feed, and suddenly
    a tigress emerges to snap up a tasty treat. (The chickens continue eating as if nothing has happened...)
    And that just shows you how SMART cats are!

    (Uh-oh, I've started it now.... )
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!

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    Country Mouse, so sorry about your loss. We had 4 cats. Two boys were outside cats. Sammy, the oldest, disappeared about three months ago, stayed gone about three days, came in all chewed up, died the next day before we could get him to a vet.

    I understand how you feel. Hope you get another to comfort your broken heart.

    ND

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