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INTL Arab Spring Brings Arab Collapse (Ralph Peters)
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    Arab Spring Brings Arab Collapse (Ralph Peters)

    Back when I was still working for a living, Ralph Peters was a pretty regular speaker to various classes in my organization. I had the opportunity to converse with him pretty often. Of course, he was still on active duty back then too . He always struck me as very well informed, but as time wore on his politics trended too far toward the neocon to suit me.

    But just listen to him now...
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    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...EreoUHdxdQq1DN

    The Arab collapse
    Middle East a vulture’s feast

    By RALPH PETERS
    Last Updated: 11:32 PM, May 19, 2013
    Posted: 10:47 PM, May 19, 2013

    The Arab Spring has unleashed the Arab Collapse. Everybody still standing in the region is picking the flesh of the helpless. The Islamist cancer proved more virulent than Arabs themselves expected, while dying regimes behave with unrestrained ruthlessness.

    And our diplomats still think everyone can be cajoled into harmony.

    We’re witnessing a titanic event, the crack-up of a long-tottering civilization. Arab societies grew so corrupt and stagnant that violent upheaval became inevitable. That’s what we’re seeing in Syria and Iraq — two names, one struggle — and will find elsewhere tomorrow.

    ZUMAPRESS.com
    The next country to go: Rescuers working at the site of a car bomb in Kirkuk, Iraq, last week. Violence is rising rapidly across the country.

    We can’t stop it, we can’t fix it, and we don’t understand it. But we can stay out of it.

    When the US is in the Middle East, the Arabs want us out. When we’re out, they want us in. But our purported Arab (and Turkish) allies consistently agree that Uncle Sam should pay the party bill, while they take home all the presents.

    Yes, Syria’s humanitarian crisis is appalling. And no, I don’t like to see innocents dying or suffering. But the calls from the region for American action are nakedly cynical.

    Turkey has the largest military in NATO after our own, but cries “helpless” crocodile tears over Syrian refugees — while dreaming of rebuilding the Ottoman Empire upon their ruined lives. Our Saudi “friends” spent decades building the most-sophisticated military arsenal in the Middle East, apart from Israel. Now the Saudis wring their hands over Syria’s misery — but won’t intervene directly to stop the killing.

    The Saudi position is always “You and him fight!” As long ago as Desert Storm, Saudis joked about renting the American army and our bumpkin gullibility. (Try to find one US officer who’s worked with the Saudis and doesn’t hate their guts. . .) Now they want Washington to spend our blood and treasure to open the mosques of Damascus to their Wahhabi cult.

    Well, the Assad regime is horrible, but not al Qaeda horrible. Better poison gas than poisoned religion, as far as our own security’s concerned. This is an Arab struggle (with Turkish and Iranian vultures overhead). This time, we need to let them fight it out.

    The region’s outdated order is disintegrating. But Washington’s still mesmerized by the artificial boundaries on the map.

    Nine decades ago, the diplomats at Versailles ignored the region’s natural fault lines as they carved up the Middle East, forcing enemies together and driving kin apart (while Woodrow Wilson turned his back on the Kurds). Only brute force and dictators kept up the fiction that these were countries. Now the grim charade has reached its end.

    Iraq was carved out for British interests, while Syria was France’s consolation prize. Now Syria’s collapsing in a too-many-factions-to-count civil war. And Iraq’s in the early stages of its own dissolution; even a would-be dictator — another of our one-time “friends,” Nouri al-Maliki — can’t keep the “country” together.

    We don’t even know how many new states will emerge from the old order’s wreckage. But the Scramble for the Sand is on, with Iran, Turkey, treacherous Arab oil sheikdoms and terrorists Sunni and Shia alike all determined to dictate the future, no matter the cost in other people’s blood.

    We had our chance to extend the peace and keep both Iran and Wahhabi crazies at bay after we defeated Iraq’s insurgencies. But a new American president, elevating politics over strategy, walked away from Baghdad, handing Iraq to Iran. Now it’s too late. If George W. Bush helped trigger the Arab Spring, Barack Obama made this Arab Winter inevitable.

    We must not be lured into the current fighting — centered, for now, on Syria — by cries of humanitarian necessity. The local powers could step in to stop the killing. But they won’t. Once again, they want us to pay the bill. (It’s time for the Saudis, especially, to give their own blood.)

    We’ve paid enough. Rhetoric and red lines notwithstanding, we need to back off from Syria, if for no other reason than a strategist’s golden rule: If you don’t understand what a fight’s about, stay out.
    "All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arises not from deficits in the Constitution or Confederation , nor from want of honor and virtue, so much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." -- John Adams
    "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks." -- Lord Acton

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    Well said.

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    Amen to that, sure do hope and pray we stay out of syria.

    Judy

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    The entire Middle East - with one exception - is not a fun place to be.

    Period.

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    Cause the problem by throwing money at the shit in the Middle East and then run away from say for example helping the Christian communities that have suffered from what Obama has done.

    Anyway we are all headed to hell and beyond by the look of things.

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    OMG, I just figured out why all the jihadists are so angry and hateful! Their quasi religious form of government does not work well to produce a healthy nation, and they know it and just cannot stand that other systems may work better than their beloved prophet.... May be a thread drift, but thanks for the OP, it brought the light. Guess the bulb has gone dimmer with the passage of time. I hope and pray we stay out of it. You cannot force feed freedom on people who desire to be slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dozdoats View Post
    If you don’t understand what a fight’s about, stay out.
    Good line.

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    Doz and I have talked both on and off list about Ralph....
    But darn it, he keeps getting JUST enough right that we really need to keep listening to and reading him.

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