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    4 MILITARY UPPER COMMAND BEING PURGED. READ THIS ASSESSMENT

    On the big Patreus thread, post #160 gives a chilling recount of the number of highest-ranking commanders being purged from the armed forces.



    The link to that post is here:

    http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...97#post4629497


    I suggest everyone read this and forward it to as many people as you can. It really does look like something is definitely up, and the Obama administration is vigorously purging the upper echelons of our military, for reasons one can only guess. Don't let this happen in the dark. Pass the word to everyone you know, quickly.

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    This has been on my RADAR even before 09-11-12.

    These poor maneuvers will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
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    There was discussion here on this site 6mos or a year ago about senior officers being removed or dying in Afghanistan. I wasn't aware of the details of those observations so never really gave it much weight one way or another. A couple weeks ago I heard from someone that the Navy (don't know about the other branches) had seen a lot of officers being fired and was trying to work out what the problem was. In other words, the regular Navy as an organization had seen an unusual number of firings among senior officers and was addressing it in a managerial way, trying to figure out what training, support, disciplinary measures...whatever could be put into place to address the problem. Right after I heard that, we had Benghazi, then Adm. Gaouette and Gen. Ham, which sort of made me take notice. Then the Petraeus/Allen ongoing scandal blew up.

    I'm sure it would come as no surprise to anyone that people in power have been known to have affairs and exercise poor judgement before. But when you put all of these together, even the average Joe frowns and says "What the heck is going on?" It's weird. It's not something we are accustomed to seeing, large numbers of people in military or intelligence positions being removed--whether for a public scandal or not. It's disconcerting.
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    Is Obama Purging Military Commanders as a Part of the Benghazi Cover-Up?
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    The American Thinker is reporting an unconfirmed report that General Carter F. Ham, commander of U.S. Africa Command, has been fired for defying Leon Panetta on Benghazi.



    Excerpted from American Thinker:

    The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

    General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

    The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.

    On 18 October 2012, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta participated in a “DOD News Briefing on Efforts to Enhance the Financial Health of the Force.” In his introductory remarks, Mr. Panetta said: “Today I am very pleased to announce that President Obama will nominate General David Rodriguez to succeed General Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command

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    It is also being reported by Stars & Stripes that the Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.
    Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette

    Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette

    Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis’ home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

    “It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.”

    http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=10930

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    alert! obama continues to purge military/ removes opposition
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    3 days ago – Obama, like every good Communist leader is not afraid to use blackmail to silence their opponents. - W.E. ... “After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor ... our nation put those wars on a path to a responsible end,” Obama said. ... following two years at the helm of U.S. Central Command.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    On the big Patreus thread, post #160 gives a chilling recount of the number of highest-ranking commanders being purged from the armed forces.



    The link to that post is here:

    http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showt...97#post4629497


    I suggest everyone read this and forward it to as many people as you can. It really does look like something is definitely up, and the Obama administration is vigorously purging the upper echelons of our military, for reasons one can only guess. Don't let this happen in the dark. Pass the word to everyone you know, quickly.
    Lets put the last straw on the fire. John Kerry secretary of defense. The man who hates this country more than El Bozo. If you are waiting for it to happen your are to late. It has already happened and those of us left will have to make do and try to live and save the Republic.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
    Night of the Long Knives

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    Krystalnacht....

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    Purge? In places where they really purge, the purgee is never heard from again. Wanna bet these guys show up under subpoena assuming the GOP has the guts to do it? So much for a purge.

    Now if they all have unfortunate accidents, OK, like shot by jealous husbands. Otherwise, whatever it is, it ain't the old fashioned purge.

    What is really going on here IMO, is that the military is being brought to heel. Kerry is going in and there will be vomiting all around. But they now know the vomiting had better be in one's closet, not out on the street.
    "The misfortune of many is the consolation of fools" Ancient proverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Krystalnacht....
    on Steroids.........more to come

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    Some historical perspective might help prevent unnecessary heebie-jeebies here...

    SOMETHING is definitely going on with the Petraeus thing, I don't know what, but it stinks. As for the rest of it, be careful not to read too much into things too early. Paying attention is good, panic is not...
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    Lose a General, Win a War
    By THOMAS E. RICKS
    Published: June 23, 2010

    FOR most of our nation’s history, the armed services have had a strong and worthy tradition of firing generals who get out of line. So for most of our presidents there would have been no question about whether to oust Gen. Stanley McChrystal for making public his differences with the White House on policy in Afghanistan. If President Obama had not fired General McChrystal, it would have been like President Truman keeping on Douglas MacArthur after his insubordination during the Korean War.

    Some analysts fret that losing General McChrystal will mean sacrificing the relationship he had developed with the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai. But the general’s dysfunctional relationship with the other senior American officials in Kabul, painfully laid out this week in Rolling Stone, is more significant. If President Obama is to be faulted, it is for leaving that group in position after it became apparent last fall that the men could not work well together.

    No policy can be successful if those sent to put it in place undermine one another with snide comments to reporters and leaked memorandums like the cable disparaging Mr. Karzai written by Ambassador Karl Eikenberry last year. For this reason, the president should finish cleaning house and fire Ambassador Eikenberry and the special envoy, Richard Holbrooke.

    Mr. Obama should then replace them with a team that has a single person clearly in control, with the power to hire and fire the others. And he should send that new group to Kabul with clear orders that they should get along, or expect to be relieved.

    In the longer term, the Army has to return to its tradition of getting rid of leaders who are failing. The Navy has shown more fortitude; in the first two months of this year alone it fired six commanders of ships and installations. On Tuesday, it fired the skipper of the frigate John L. Hall, two months after it collided with a pier at a Black Sea port in Georgia. The Navy stated simply, as it usually does in such cases, that the officer’s superior had lost confidence in him. That is all that is needed.

    The Marine Corps has also largely kept the tradition of relieving officers — most notably during the invasion of Iraq in 2003 when its top ground officer, Maj. Gen. James Mattis, fired the commander of the First Marine Regiment. During his tenure, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has fired secretaries of the Army and the Air Force and an Air Force chief of staff.

    Back in World War II, the Army had no qualms about letting officers go; at least 16 of the 155 generals who commanded divisions in combat during the war were relieved while in combat. George Marshall, the nation’s top general, felt that a willingness to fire subordinates was a requirement of leadership. He once described Gen. Hap Arnold, chief of the Army Air Forces, as a fine man, but one who “didn’t have the nerve to get rid of men not worth a damn.”

    Marshall had plenty of nerve: in 1940 and ’41, as war loomed, he forced into retirement several hundred officers he deemed too old and slow to be effective. When the commandant at Leavenworth, Brig. Gen. Charles Bundel, told him that updating the complete set of Army training manuals would take 18 months, Marshall offered him three months, and then four months, to do the job. It can’t be done, Bundel twice responded.

    “You be very careful about that,” Marshall told him in a telephone conversation.

    “No, it can’t be done,” Bundel repeated.

    “I’m sorry, then you are relieved,” Marshall said.

    We tend to remember those who were nearly relieved but ultimately weren’t, most notably Gen. George Patton, who came closest to being fired during the war after slapping two American soldiers suffering from combat fatigue. But that sort of exception illustrates another aspect of the lost tradition of relieving commanders: the military had some flexibility in enforcing it. Patton was seen by his superiors as having unusual weaknesses but equally rare strengths, so he was kept on.

    One advantage of having a more flexible attitude toward removal from combat command was that it did not necessarily mean the end of one’s career. During World War II, three Army division commanders — Orlando Ward, Terry de la Mesa Allen and Leroy Watson — were relieved of command of divisions in combat but went on to lead different divisions later in the war.

    The old system may seem harsh in today’s light, and certainly some men were treated unfairly. But keep in mind that job losses were dwarfed by combat losses: In the summer of 1944, 15 of the 20 battalion and regimental commanders in the 82nd Airborne were either killed or wounded. In World War II, a front-line officer either succeeded, became a casualty or was relieved within a few months — or in some cases, within days.

    The tradition of swift relief provided two benefits that we have lost in today’s Army: It punished failure and it gave an opportunity to younger, more energetic officers who were better equipped to adapt to the quickening pace of the war. When George Marshall heard of a major who really was doing a general’s work, he stepped in to make the man a brigadier general overnight. Under this audacious system, a generation of brilliant young commanders emerged, men like James Gavin, an innovator in airborne warfare who became the Army’s youngest three-star general.

    But that tradition was somehow lost in the Korean War and buried conclusively in Vietnam. Nowadays, dynamic young leaders can’t emerge as quickly, because almost no one is fired. In a much-discussed 2007 article in Armed Forces Journal, Lt. Col. Paul Yingling wrote that “a private who loses a rifle suffers far greater consequences than a general who loses a war.”

    In Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, most of our commanders have “rotated in” for a year, led their units and gone home. This skews incentives away from risk-taking and toward not making waves. Consequently, the only generals who are fired are those at the very top, who do not serve one-year tours of duty and so must be removed by firing or forced resignation.

    Had Army officers been managed in the Afghan War as they were during World War II, we would be seeing a new generation of leaders emerge. Instead, a beleaguered president once again is sending David Petraeus to the rescue, making it appear as though he is the only competent general we have.

    Thomas E. Ricks, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and the author of “The Gamble: General Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq,” is writing a history of American generalship since World War II.
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    They are just doing what all tyrants do. Getting rid of the obstacles. Can't have anyone who will stand in the way of the planned genocide.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hognutz View Post
    They are just doing what all tyrants do. Getting rid of the obstacles. Can't have anyone who will stand in the way of the planned genocide.......
    Well, everybody dies, but some of us oldsters reject being booted out the door before our time. Out with the Old, in with the New. But we all die, even them. It's the Wheel of Karma, as we are currently stuck with it.

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    "All we must do is remove those who stand in our way" Lord of the Rings quote from Saurman.

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    Just keep in mind that open mic comment Obama made to Dmitry Medvedev about waiting until after the election was over before talking about missile reduction. Was there more to that? Like removing or altering the human factor from the command and control structure of our military. Bush started it, is Obama continuing on the same path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Krystalnacht....
    With pink safety glass goggles for the little f@660+$

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy_wave View Post
    Just keep in mind that open mic comment Obama made to Dmitry Medvedev about waiting until after the election was over before talking about missile reduction. Was there more to that? Like removing or altering the human factor from the command and control structure of our military. Bush started it, is Obama continuing on the same path.
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    Stalin did this just prior to the start of WW II. Obamanation its a TRAITOR and should be impeached then removed from office!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Hand View Post
    Stalin did this just prior to the start of WW II. Obamanation its a TRAITOR and should be impeached then removed from office!
    Coincidentally, someone just posted this elsewhere:

    http://en.wikipedia....ed_Army_in_1941

    Purge of the Red Army in 1941


    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Between October 1940 and February 1942, the impending start of the German invasion in June 1941 notwithstanding, the Red Army, in particular the Soviet Air Force, as well as Soviet military-related industries were decapitated by repressions once again. After a pause in mass repressions after the Great Purge, in October 1940 the NKVD (People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs) under its new chief Lavrenty Beria started a new purge that initially hit the People's Commissariat of Ammunition, People's Commissariat of Aviation Industry and People's Commissariat of Armaments. High level officials admitted guilt, typically under torture, then testified against each other and were repressed on fabricated charges of anti-Soviet activity, sabotage and spying.

    While the new wave of repression in the military-related industries continued well into 1941, in April–May 1941 Stalin's Politburo inquired about the high accident rate in the Air Force, which led to the dismissal of several commanders, including Head of the Air Force Lieutenant General Pavel Rychagov. In May, a German Junkers Ju 52 landed in

    Moscow, undetected by the ADF beforehand, leading to massive repressions among the Air Force leadership.[1] The NKVD soon focused attention on them and started repressions against the alleged anti-Soviet conspiracy of German spies in the military, centered around the Air Force and linked to the conspiracies of 1937-1938. The repression had taken on a large scale by early June, when the suspects were transferred from the custody of the Military Counterintelligence to the NKVD, and continued uninterrupted into well after the German attack on the Soviet Union, which started on June 22, 1941.


    Timeline of arrests: May 30 People's Commissar of Ammunition Ivan Sergeyev and Major General Ernst Schacht May 31 Lieutenant General Pyotr Pumpur June 7 People's Commissar of Armaments Boris Vannikov and Colonel General Grigory Shtern June 8 Lieutenant General Yakov Smushkevich June 18 Lieutenant General Pavel Alekseyev June 19 Colonel General Alexander Loktionov June 24 General Kirill Meretskov and Lieutenant General Pavel Rychagov June 27 Lieutenant General Ivan Proskurov
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    Some historical perspective might help prevent unnecessary heebie-jeebies here...
    No, IMO there's more here. If all these firings/demotions are really to get rid of incompetent officers then why weren't they done before the election? Such an action would have made our Fearless Leader look decisive; a strong president working to improve military leadership. But he did it afterwards. Why? My question: what info does he have about these top officers' unwillingness to follow less-than-constitutional orders?
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    FarOut, the firings are apparently to get rid of competent officers, people who may have been overheard or known to be possible obstacles to a complete military takeover from within, for whatever reason (I think most here can fill in the blanks).

    Can anyone tell me what pro America, pro Constitution, pro Bill of Rights, pro American people thing anyone in the oboingo administration has done in the past 4 years? No? We must assume that everything being done by them is an act of treason against the US government and it's people, for their own gain.
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    Let's not forget the several other Navy offivers who have been "replaced" in their commands since Spring for "inappropriate" behaviours - like that recent Navy Captain who went on shore leave with his team too exuberantly and was cut down to size real quick. "They" are going through their list, folks, of military who "might" oppose or voice opposition. Betcha next it will begin in other Govnt. Departments, but they MUST control the military first and foremost.
    Taxation WITH representation isn't so great either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
    "All we must do is remove those who stand in our way"

    Lord of the Rings quote from Saurman.
    Spot on.

    No Opposition can arise, without a figurehead.

    Just take 'em out as they gain attention.

    Easy Peasy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Krystalnacht....
    More like Night of the Long Knives, but just as appropriate.

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    IIRC there were many high ranking military officers that openly supported mitt

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    Obama is looking for people who will just follow orders, without regard to the US Constitution (which they swore their oaths to).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2kO View Post
    Obama is looking for people who will just follow orders, without regard to the US Constitution (which they swore their oaths to).
    I guess the good general decided his marriage vows weren't an oath...

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    Wayne Madsen, (waynemadsenreport.com)investigative journalist in DC (former NSA), is reporting to members only:

    November 12-14, 2012 -- SPECIAL REPORT. Update 2x. Sex, Lies, and Audiotapes -- the right-wing plot against Obama

    The Washington Post and The New York Times, America's designated "newspapers of record" -- false record, it should be added -- are working overtime to spin the General David Petraeus scandal away from the actual story. There are many details that have not yet emerged and some informed speculation remains the order of the day. However, based on what we know know, a perhaps somewhat unwitting Petraeus; several Republicans, including failed GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, Republican Party Svengali Karl Rove, Romney adviser Dan Senor; and the Binyamin Netanyahu government in Israel were involved behind the scenes to discredit and ensure the electoral downfall of President Barack Obama by engineering what Romney reportedly himself described as a "Jimmy Carter Strategy" in an October Surprise. The strategy was to bring about an incident in the Middle East that would result in a besieged or overrun U.S. embassy, like the U.S. embassy in Tehran in 1979 and 1980, that would result in charges that Obama, like Carter, was weak and ineffectual in dealing with a major crisis.

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    slow-motion coup.....


    We are now 'officially' a third-world country...
    The only "change" I CAN believe in: I Corinthians 15: 51-52!

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    'The woman revealed to have been carrying on an affair with former CIA Director David Petraeus lost her driver's license in a Washington, D.C., park recently, sources tell U.S. News....- Broadwell's attorney mum on her whereabouts... Police spokesman confirmed that a jogger found a North Carolina license in Rock Creek Park belonging to Paula Broadwell.'

    Does anyone have a current status and location of Ms Broadwell?
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    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...und-in-dc-park

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    Fired or not, these military men are a threat to the current regime as long as they're alive. Expect them to vanish without a trace or get Vince Fostered before they can testify at any congressional hearings. THAT'S when you know it's time to retake the country by force of arms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shacknasty Shagrat View Post
    Does anyone have a current status and location of Ms Broadwell?
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    One report indicated Ms. Broadwell was unavailable and "on vacation."

    More likely gone into hiding. And a new driver's license made.

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    Juat for the record. the Kip Ward firing and demotion has been a slow burn for about a year...

    And honestly this guy actually EARNED it...

    D-

    Krystalnacht???

    I didn't know we had seen a lot of business windows broken.....

    Night of the Long Knives is MUCH closer....

    St Valentines Day Masacre from the Nixon era is equally close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troke View Post
    Now if they all have unfortunate accidents, OK, like shot by jealous husbands. Otherwise, whatever it is, it ain't the old fashioned purge.
    I'm fully expecting a spate of "suicides."

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    Obama has much to hide as the body count under obamas bus is getting very high and this should be getting the attention of congress as no sitting president has ever done this. Stalin did stuff like this but he killed off the officers he did not like or trust, maybe obama plans on doing that later.
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    I guess I shouldn't be surprised in the least, but it is unnerving to actually watch it happening.

    This is getting downright scary. Well, on second thought, it was already scary. Now it is downright frightening. It is very clear what is happening here..... it's not rocket science.

    If I wasn't already in my BOL, this would do it for me. The handwriting is on the wall as they say.
    Dang! He sure isn't wasting any time, is he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prepgirl44 View Post
    I guess I shouldn't be surprised in the least, but it is unnerving to actually watch it happening.

    This is getting downright scary. Well, on second thought, it was already scary. Now it is downright frightening. It is very clear what is happening here..... it's not rocket science.

    If I wasn't already in my BOL, this would do it for me. The handwriting is on the wall as they say.
    Dang! He sure isn't wasting any time, is he?

    Well Valerie was quoted as saying there were going to be some pay backs after the election, it seems many of our high ranking military officers had disagreements with what obama was doing or wanting to do. We the people are the last to know what is really going on and right now enough people are being canned/sacked and we will not hear the truth from MSM, but threw the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countrymouse View Post
    slow-motion coup.....


    We are now 'officially' a third-world country...
    YUP! Yet I see people on FB talking about inane things as if everything is just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KMR58 View Post
    YUP! Yet I see people on FB talking about inane things as if everything is just fine.
    OH MY GOSH!!! I've had the same thoughts.

    I feel like SOMEONE is in the crazy house and chug-a-lugging the Kool-aid, but then I pause and think, "Is it them or me?"

    Because one of us is crazy as a jay-bird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Krystalnacht....
    I'm also thinking more like the "long knives" nights, but I do find it interesting that they did this on the 74th anniversary of Krystalnacht...

    They are removing the resistance to whatever exponential level of "change" that this badministration has in plan for the US.

    After all, you can't have a coup work as easily if the military might respond and stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Olson View Post
    Fired or not, these military men are a threat to the current regime as long as they're alive. Expect them to vanish without a trace or get Vince Fostered before they can testify at any congressional hearings. THAT'S when you know it's time to retake the country by force of arms...



    I hope I'm wrong but, in my honest opinion, I don't the U.S. will get through four more years of an obama administration without there being a certain amount of bloodshed getting spilled on both sides----by those who support obama and by those who oppose him. I think the last time this nation was this divided was back during the late 1850's and early 1860's and we all know how that turned out. At this point, I just hope this country can get through the holiday season relatively unscathed. After that, all bets are off, in my opinion.

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