If this is what you think, then YOU have not been paying attention. You have NO idea what's been going on, nor do you really know what Obama and his regime have been up to....it IS very difficult to tell a difference between mittens and "da wun"
If you really believe this, then you are completely and totally ignorant, or delusional , or perhaps both.
Seek help.
Do Not vote in November.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
Wonder how many of those worked up about this election on here are in an actual swing state where their vote could make a difference.
I'm in WV, I and and 10,000 of my anti-Obama friends can sit out this election and it still won't be close, WV isn't going to Obama no matter what.
Guess that lets me off the hook a little, I'm not sure what I would do if my vote mattered.
Monty
And what's yours, "vote for Ron Paul just to make a point!?" I've heard the philosophy: "who cares if Obama gets back in - let him tear it all down, we'll rebuild it the way it's supposed to be built"Originally Posted by Monty
Hey, I'm all for going back to the constitution - absolutely, that's what needs to happen.
But if you think that either sitting out, or casting a vote to make some kind of ideological or philosophical point will accomplish anything other than assist in the UNRECOVERABLE destruction of this country, then you are so far gone that reason will not reach you.
It's total foolishness to act like some schoolyard child, kick your foot into the dirt, spit and take the attitude that "I'll show them!!"
Ignorant.
Childish.
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“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
To put it bluntly, I wonder who you draw your paycheck from Terry. Pretty convenient to be a supporter and the suddenly switch when it "seems" RP and his message is down and out. Then attack like a partisan mitt backer.
I'm No 'Bama supporter and thats why it is so easy to see the similarity's between the two.
I have been paying attention, wish you would join me. BTW, seek decaf.
I see you didn't make it past step 1.
I just don't see me jumping on the latest bandwagon TPTB roll out in NOV for us good Republicans when they don't reflect me or my values and I don't see a case where they are going to infringe on my freedoms any less than the current administration.
I understand your point, I have a hatred for Obama totally out of proportion with the feelings I have about Romney or Ryan but when I really examine what they have said and more importantly what they have done, I end up with a candidate that I just can't support.
It isn't an easy decision but it is where I am today.
Monty
Here is the reason Ron Paul will never win. It isn't him, it is his supporters. Your willingness to hate and ridicule anyone who doesn't love your candidate is the reason your candidate will never win. So go ahead and call everyone who currently likes Romney over Obama idiots. Hate them all you want. You can not make them vote for Ron Paul that way. What a strange way to try and win votes for your candidate. Turns out Ron Paul is a much kinder and more rational person than most of the supporters he is cursed with.
Why Ron Paul rallies never translate into votes
Photo: Associated Press
Friday, April 6, 2012 - The Tygrrrr Express by Eric Golub
LOS ANGELES, April 6, 2012 — Ron Paul recently held a rally at UCLA, and between 6,000 and 10,000 people attended. The rally itself was a complete success. Yet while Ron Paul has consistently attracted larger, more enthusiastic crowds than his GOP competitors, those events always fail to translate into victories at the ballot box. Ron Paul has never won a presidential primary or caucus.
His supporters blame these losses on a combination of media bias, election fraud, the designated hitter rule, and enough other excuses to outnumber the flavors served at Baskin Robbins.
The media bias argument is nonsense. The media could never hate Ron Paul with the pure passion and ferocity that they despise Rick Santorum. The liberal media loathes social conservatives. They love Republicans who bash other conservatives. This is how John McCain in 2008 and Jon Huntsman in 2012 became the darlings of the liberal media. The media will end up despising whomever the GOP nominee is, and Ron Paul has suffered much less abuse than Newt Gingrich. Every day there are calls for Gingrich, and now even Santorum, to drop out. Dr. Paul does not face those calls. There is no media conspiracy against Dr. Paul.
As for election fraud, the GOP should just agree to give the Virgin Islands and Maine to Ron Paul in exchange for a vow of silence from the movement. The Paul movement uses complaints as their oxygen. All the voter fraud in the world cannot explain Florida, Illinois, and many other big states where Dr. Paul was rejected by more than 90% of the voters.
For those Paul supporters who are still unable to understand these repeated, huge rejections at the polls, the answer can be found right in front of their faces.
Look in the mirror. Keep staring. Now look again. You are the problem.
The Ron Paul movement consists of too many supporters who are completely certifiable. Let us count their ways.
They run up and down the hallways of GOP conventions screaming about revolutions. Decorum is replaced with degradation and debasement.
They shout down speakers they disagree with. They have zero interest in freedom and liberty for anybody except those who agree with them.
I am one person who simply disagrees with Ron Paul. Let this sink in slowly. I D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E with him.
Decent human beings would just accept this under the rule of "live and let live." The verbal carpet-bombers in the Ron Paul movement consist of some intolerant zealots who will harass, bully, and intimidate anybody just for thinking differently. The Paul army would work well in Bashar Assad's Syria, Kim Jong Il's North Korea, or Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The same hypocrites who are against undeclared wars engage in undeclared wars against their fellow Americans just for not worshipping Ron Paul. It makes the David Koresh movement look moderate.
Tell a normal human being you disagree with his candidate. The responses will be:
1) You just do not understand. Let me explain.
2) You are misinformed. Let me explain.
You will get an attempt at conversion. He wants your vote.
Tell a Ron Paul supporter you disagree with his candidate. The responses will be:
1) You just do not understand. You're an idiot.
2) You are an uninformed tool of the political machine.
3) You don't care about the Constitution, freedom or liberty.
4) You are corrupt, bought and paid for, a shill for the status quo or some other powerful, mythical, nefarious entity.
These lines of thought are pure bile. The idea that a person can be decent, well educated, intelligent, have a sophisticated gift of analysis, be a clear thinker, and reject Ron Paul is totally incomprehensible to his supporters.
With Ron Paul supporters, nothing except total acceptance is ever enough. For instance, my coverage of the Ron Paul rally at UCLA was overwhelmingly positive. Yet some supporters still pulled conspiracy theories and complaints out of thin air. My picture of Dr. Paul was not adequate. My claim that there were almost no empty seats was a distortion: There were NO empty seats. My failure to mention the crowd outside the arena when I was inside was somehow a slight.
At what point do these people stop carping about absolute nonsense?
One truly vile event took place as soon as the rally ended. This was left out of the original report on the rally so as not to take away from the event, which was again, successful. One zealot in the crowd recognized me from my writing. After the rally ended, he walked hundreds of feet past people to get in my face and start screaming at me. Imagine what it is like to be accosted by a complete stranger because of a difference in views. This does not happen with supporters of Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum. With Ron Paul supporters, this is so common it borders on typical.
The fellow screamed profanities at me for writing articles claiming that Ron Paul was an anti-Semite. This has never happened. Criticism of anti-Semitism in the Paul movement is not the same as accusing the candidate himself. Not once have I ever called Dr. Paul a bigot.
Regardless, what this fellow should have done was write a letter to the editor. Going nose to nose with someone you have never met is simply insane. The fellow did not stop. After several police officers intervened to protect me, the basket case was waiting outside the arena. He and several of his friends surrounded me, shoved a camera in my face, and shouted at me. This was a lynch mob. Again, the police escorted me to a safe area as the shouting of profanities continued.
To make matters worse, this fellow lives in my building. He saw me come out of the elevator later that night and then spit in my eye.
Further investigation shows that this individual is a hardcore Ron Paul activist. He is a liberty "fundraising coordinator," and has even been seen at an Occupy Los Angeles rally wearing an anti-war.com t-shirt. Those anti-war peace activists sure are a militant violent bunch.
The only reason his name is not being revealed is because his mother is a nice lady, and she does not deserved to be shamed for her son's lunacy. The young man gave a half-hearted apology over the telephone, saying that when columnists "write lies," they should expect other people to be angry. Only God knows if the message sunk in that no written words by a columnist justify a response of physical violence. Getting in somebody's face is violence. Having a mob surround a guy is violence. Spitting in a man's eye is violence.
This is liberty in the Ron Paul movement. This is how animals behave. This is why the Ron Paul movement is distrusted and disliked by so many voters.
This is also where the many normal, decent people in the movement resort to one of two defensive tactics, guerrilla warfare experts that they are.
One strategy is to justify the bad behavior. Surely the journalist must have done something to deserve the abuse. Failure to indict the particular victim is sometimes replaced with blaming the entire mainstream media. Paul supporters were marginalized, so they have every right to lash out. Playing the game of "who started it" is worthless. The Paul supporters need the media. The media does not need them. Harassing media people is not going to result in better coverage.
Another strategy is to dismiss the bad behavior as a statistical aberration. Nonsense. For every story reported, there are plenty of other tales of aggressive behavior not being disclosed. There is never just one cockroach hiding under the bed. The Ron Paul movement consists of too many abusive bullies who will not respect their neighbor simply for having different views.
There are plenty of decent people in the Ron Paul movement. Some of them are friends of mine. The libertarianism and libertinism in the Ron Paul movement are quite conducive for a young, single man. If romance swayed my voting practices, Dr. Paul would win hands down.
Yet the notion that "every movement has crazies" doesn't cut it any more. The only GOP candidate with so many behaviorally challenged sycophants is Ron Paul. These people know only how to converse with each other. They complain that everybody else engages in groupthink when they are the kings, queens, and court jesters of monolithic thinking.
The Ron Paul movement fails because for all the talk about how Dr. Paul appeals to independents and Democrats, Paul supporters turn off moderates in large droves. Sometimes they do not even know it. They shout and scream while innocent bystanders run in the other direction for political normalcy.
If Ron Paul (and many Obama) supporters ever want to be mistaken for decent human beings, they need to take steps that supporters of other candidates learned ages ago.
1) Reasonable minds can disagree. My political opponent is not my enemy. We are all Americans.
2) A person with diametrically opposing views can still be a good person who loves America. They are still patriotic, not treasonous.
3) A person thinking differently can still be educated, well-informed, intelligent, thoughtful, and well-researched.
4) Agreeing with the majority does not automatically make one a corporate shill or a lover of the status quo.
5) No person is indispensable. The Republic was around before we were all born and no single one of us determines the fate of America by themselves.
6) More flies are caught with honey than with vinegar. Bullying as a persuasion tactic fails in free societies.
7) If somebody politely says he is not interested in a political debate, do not chase him down and try to out-argue him. Respect the desire to not engage.
8) It is not possible to gain everybody to your side, but you can lose everybody. Trying to win a political argument is a form of sales. Salespeople know that no matter how great their product, lousy marketing will chase away customers. They may not like the product, but may still purchase it if they like you personally. If you turn them off, it is game over and no sale.
9) Violence is never acceptable unless it is in self-defense or defense of a loved one. Anger over an opinion column you disagree with does not qualify as a justification for violence.
10) Life is unfair. Human beings are inherently unequal. Michael Jordan dunked a basketball better than me and was compensated for it better than I am. Some people are taller, handsomer, and wealthier. Crying about being outspent or getting less media attention only makes one come across as a whiner and does nothing to build a coalition.
11) Every moment screaming at somebody who is uninterested takes precious time away from some other person who may be receptive to a much calmer message.
12) No one has a monopoly on good ideas. Just because the young generation has the Internet does not mean they are smarter than their grandparents who are technologically challenged.
13) Silence is acquiescence. Anybody in a movement trafficking in racism, anti-Semitism, and other forms of group hatred will taint an entire movement unless that movement categorically and publicly rejects the haters. If a movement depends on haters to increase numbers, then the movement is sunk.
14) The American people are not imbeciles. When the election is over, the decision is respected. This is also the case for Supreme Court decisions. Our institutions are honorable, and our people are as well.
The fellow who spit in my eye was spoiling for a fight. I refused to fight him. I tried reasoned dialogue. It most likely fell on deaf ears, but a fistfight benefits in this situation benefits nobody. He will either keep lashing out and at some point self-destruct, or he will learn how to constructively enhance the political discourse.
So for those who still insist this is an anti-Paul bias, there is no hope.
For the billionth time, I have met Dr. Paul on a few occasions. He is funny, likable, engaging, intelligent, and very sharp. On many issues he makes complete sense to me. On a few issues, there is serious divergence.
If that alone is enough to make anybody apoplectic, then the enraged individual needs what the kids used to call a "chill pill."
Awhile back flak was given when referring to Paulbots. There are many reasonable Ron Paul supporters, but too many mindless automatons. They are the Paulbots. Awhile back their irrelevance was pointed out. That language was not harsh enough.
For those Ron Paul supporters who refuse to make the movement respectable and respectful, saying "you don't matter" ceases being good enough anymore.
You don't deserve to matter. The Constitution is either for all of us or none of us. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness does not require a vote for Ron Paul. For those wanting to spread the movement by force, it is you who are seeing the serious blowback from the no-longer silent majority.
You reaped what you sowed.
For those of you who ever engaged in or condoned identical or similarly destructive behavior to what was described, look in that mirror again.
For those demonizing people just for disagreeing with you, keep looking in that mirror.
That is the cancer in the Ron Paul movement. Remove it immediately.
"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself." -DH Lawrence
"We do not see things as they are, we see things as we are." - The Talmud
In the first week since Paul Ryan joined Mitt Romney on the Republican ticket, something subtle yet fundamental has happened to the country--something not yet reflected in poll numbers or punditry: the mantle of leadership has shifted.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden (certainly the latter) occupy office but cannot be said to govern in any meaningful way beyond formalities. Obama avoids the media; Biden has been sent back to Delaware; and their vast auxiliary army of super PACs and community organizers is reduced to petty sniping and personal attacks. No one expects any truly new ideas or proposals to come out of the Obama campaign anymore. It is telling that the only real debate this week was between Romney and Ryan's Medicare policies, not Obama's.
The honest reflections of the more thoughtful voices on the American left confirm that Romney and Ryan are, in effect, leading the country. First there was William Saletan of Slate, who wrote--without irony: "A wonderful thing has happened for this country. Paul Ryan will be the Republican nominee for vice president." He added that Republicans like Ryan were the perfect antidote to Democratic excesses: "Maybe, like me, you were raised in a liberal household. You don’t agree with conservative ideas on social or foreign policy. But this is why God made Republicans: to force a reality check when Democrats overpromise and overspend."
That reaction found echoes in praise for Ryan offered by veteran Democrat Erskine Bowles of the president's own fiscal commission, among others. Other Democrats--notably former Virginia governor Douglas Wilder, the state's first African-American governor, and none too impressed with Biden's offensive appeals to racial resentment--began to consider crossing party lines to support the Republican ticket, even if just this once.
Eli Zaretsky, writing for the hard-left, pro-Occupy, pro-Palestinian Tikkun magazine, admitted candidly:
Now leftists are exploding with joy at Romney’s supposed mistake in choosing the easily attacked Ryan as his running mate. Perhaps leftists might reconsider their own credibility as political analysts in evaluating the Republican strategy.
Let us begin with the obvious. Obama cannot run on his record, since it is a record of failure. Therefore, he was always going to run a scare campaign, explaining how bad the Republicans are. In choosing Ryan, Romney has not made this easier for Obama — it was always easy. Rather, he showed that he is not afraid of Obama’s scare tactics, and of the Democrat’s ad hominem attacks on him — rich, unfeeling, out of touch, and all the rest.
In choosing Ryan, what Romney showed above all was courage--or, more precisely, the absence of fear. Eighty years ago, a great Democratic president comforted the nation by telling it that "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." That comfort and confidence is what Romney and Ryan now offer Americans, while Obama ducks questions, Biden hurls bombs, and Democrat surrogates find the old weapons no longer work.
There was a telling moment, shortly after he was chosen, when Paul Ryan faced reporters on the campaign plane and said simply: "We're going to win this campaign." It was not bluster; it was simple self-assurance.
There is a long way to go on this campaign trail, and Romney and Ryan will have to fight for every vote. But now they will be tested not as candidates, but as leaders of the nation. That is what they have already won.
"progressives" - progressively destroying America for decades.
Classic. Deflect direct questions with hit pieces, lengthy ones at thatHere is the reason Ron Paul will never win. It isn't him, it is his supporters. Your willingness to hate and ridicule anyone who doesn't love your candidate is the reason your candidate will never win. So go ahead and call everyone who currently likes Romney over Obama idiots. Hate them all you want. You can not make them vote for Ron Paul that way. What a strange way to try and win votes for your candidate. Turns out Ron Paul is a much kinder and more rational person than most of the supporters he is cursed with.
Why Ron Paul rallies never translate into votes
Friday, April 6, 2012 - The Tygrrrr Express by Eric Golub
LOS ANGELES, April 6, 2012 — Ron Paul recently held a rally at UCLA, and between 6,000 and 10,000 people attended. The rally itself was a complete success. Yet while Ron Paul has consistently attracted larger, more enthusiastic crowds than his GOP competitors, those events always fail to translate into victories at the ballot box. Ron Paul has never won a presidential primary or caucus.
His supporters blame these losses on a combination of media bias, election fraud, the designated hitter rule, and enough other excuses to outnumber the flavors served at Baskin Robbins.
The media bias argument is nonsense. The media could never hate Ron Paul with the pure passion and ferocity that they despise Rick Santorum. The liberal media loathes social conservatives. They love Republicans who bash other conservatives. This is how John McCain in 2008 and Jon Huntsman in 2012 became the darlings of the liberal media. The media will end up despising whomever the GOP nominee is, and Ron Paul has suffered much less abuse than Newt Gingrich. Every day there are calls for Gingrich, and now even Santorum, to drop out. Dr. Paul does not face those calls. There is no media conspiracy against Dr. Paul.
As for election fraud, the GOP should just agree to give the Virgin Islands and Maine to Ron Paul in exchange for a vow of silence from the movement. The Paul movement uses complaints as their oxygen. All the voter fraud in the world cannot explain Florida, Illinois, and many other big states where Dr. Paul was rejected by more than 90% of the voters.
For those Paul supporters who are still unable to understand these repeated, huge rejections at the polls, the answer can be found right in front of their faces.
Look in the mirror. Keep staring. Now look again. You are the problem.
The Ron Paul movement consists of too many supporters who are completely certifiable. Let us count their ways.
They run up and down the hallways of GOP conventions screaming about revolutions. Decorum is replaced with degradation and debasement.
They shout down speakers they disagree with. They have zero interest in freedom and liberty for anybody except those who agree with them.
I am one person who simply disagrees with Ron Paul. Let this sink in slowly. I D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E with him.
Decent human beings would just accept this under the rule of "live and let live." The verbal carpet-bombers in the Ron Paul movement consist of some intolerant zealots who will harass, bully, and intimidate anybody just for thinking differently. The Paul army would work well in Bashar Assad's Syria, Kim Jong Il's North Korea, or Saddam Hussein's Iraq. The same hypocrites who are against undeclared wars engage in undeclared wars against their fellow Americans just for not worshipping Ron Paul. It makes the David Koresh movement look moderate.
Tell a normal human being you disagree with his candidate. The responses will be:
1) You just do not understand. Let me explain.
2) You are misinformed. Let me explain.
You will get an attempt at conversion. He wants your vote.
Tell a Ron Paul supporter you disagree with his candidate. The responses will be:
1) You just do not understand. You're an idiot.
2) You are an uninformed tool of the political machine.
3) You don't care about the Constitution, freedom or liberty.
4) You are corrupt, bought and paid for, a shill for the status quo or some other powerful, mythical, nefarious entity.
These lines of thought are pure bile. The idea that a person can be decent, well educated, intelligent, have a sophisticated gift of analysis, be a clear thinker, and reject Ron Paul is totally incomprehensible to his supporters.
With Ron Paul supporters, nothing except total acceptance is ever enough. For instance, my coverage of the Ron Paul rally at UCLA was overwhelmingly positive. Yet some supporters still pulled conspiracy theories and complaints out of thin air. My picture of Dr. Paul was not adequate. My claim that there were almost no empty seats was a distortion: There were NO empty seats. My failure to mention the crowd outside the arena when I was inside was somehow a slight.
At what point do these people stop carping about absolute nonsense?
One truly vile event took place as soon as the rally ended. This was left out of the original report on the rally so as not to take away from the event, which was again, successful. One zealot in the crowd recognized me from my writing. After the rally ended, he walked hundreds of feet past people to get in my face and start screaming at me. Imagine what it is like to be accosted by a complete stranger because of a difference in views. This does not happen with supporters of Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum. With Ron Paul supporters, this is so common it borders on typical.
The fellow screamed profanities at me for writing articles claiming that Ron Paul was an anti-Semite. This has never happened. Criticism of anti-Semitism in the Paul movement is not the same as accusing the candidate himself. Not once have I ever called Dr. Paul a bigot.
Regardless, what this fellow should have done was write a letter to the editor. Going nose to nose with someone you have never met is simply insane. The fellow did not stop. After several police officers intervened to protect me, the basket case was waiting outside the arena. He and several of his friends surrounded me, shoved a camera in my face, and shouted at me. This was a lynch mob. Again, the police escorted me to a safe area as the shouting of profanities continued.
To make matters worse, this fellow lives in my building. He saw me come out of the elevator later that night and then spit in my eye.
Further investigation shows that this individual is a hardcore Ron Paul activist. He is a liberty "fundraising coordinator," and has even been seen at an Occupy Los Angeles rally wearing an anti-war.com t-shirt. Those anti-war peace activists sure are a militant violent bunch.
The only reason his name is not being revealed is because his mother is a nice lady, and she does not deserved to be shamed for her son's lunacy. The young man gave a half-hearted apology over the telephone, saying that when columnists "write lies," they should expect other people to be angry. Only God knows if the message sunk in that no written words by a columnist justify a response of physical violence. Getting in somebody's face is violence. Having a mob surround a guy is violence. Spitting in a man's eye is violence.
This is liberty in the Ron Paul movement. This is how animals behave. This is why the Ron Paul movement is distrusted and disliked by so many voters.
This is also where the many normal, decent people in the movement resort to one of two defensive tactics, guerrilla warfare experts that they are.
One strategy is to justify the bad behavior. Surely the journalist must have done something to deserve the abuse. Failure to indict the particular victim is sometimes replaced with blaming the entire mainstream media. Paul supporters were marginalized, so they have every right to lash out. Playing the game of "who started it" is worthless. The Paul supporters need the media. The media does not need them. Harassing media people is not going to result in better coverage.
Another strategy is to dismiss the bad behavior as a statistical aberration. Nonsense. For every story reported, there are plenty of other tales of aggressive behavior not being disclosed. There is never just one cockroach hiding under the bed. The Ron Paul movement consists of too many abusive bullies who will not respect their neighbor simply for having different views.
There are plenty of decent people in the Ron Paul movement. Some of them are friends of mine. The libertarianism and libertinism in the Ron Paul movement are quite conducive for a young, single man. If romance swayed my voting practices, Dr. Paul would win hands down.
Yet the notion that "every movement has crazies" doesn't cut it any more. The only GOP candidate with so many behaviorally challenged sycophants is Ron Paul. These people know only how to converse with each other. They complain that everybody else engages in groupthink when they are the kings, queens, and court jesters of monolithic thinking.
The Ron Paul movement fails because for all the talk about how Dr. Paul appeals to independents and Democrats, Paul supporters turn off moderates in large droves. Sometimes they do not even know it. They shout and scream while innocent bystanders run in the other direction for political normalcy.
If Ron Paul (and many Obama) supporters ever want to be mistaken for decent human beings, they need to take steps that supporters of other candidates learned ages ago.
1) Reasonable minds can disagree. My political opponent is not my enemy. We are all Americans.
2) A person with diametrically opposing views can still be a good person who loves America. They are still patriotic, not treasonous.
3) A person thinking differently can still be educated, well-informed, intelligent, thoughtful, and well-researched.
4) Agreeing with the majority does not automatically make one a corporate shill or a lover of the status quo.
5) No person is indispensable. The Republic was around before we were all born and no single one of us determines the fate of America by themselves.
6) More flies are caught with honey than with vinegar. Bullying as a persuasion tactic fails in free societies.
7) If somebody politely says he is not interested in a political debate, do not chase him down and try to out-argue him. Respect the desire to not engage.
8) It is not possible to gain everybody to your side, but you can lose everybody. Trying to win a political argument is a form of sales. Salespeople know that no matter how great their product, lousy marketing will chase away customers. They may not like the product, but may still purchase it if they like you personally. If you turn them off, it is game over and no sale.
9) Violence is never acceptable unless it is in self-defense or defense of a loved one. Anger over an opinion column you disagree with does not qualify as a justification for violence.
10) Life is unfair. Human beings are inherently unequal. Michael Jordan dunked a basketball better than me and was compensated for it better than I am. Some people are taller, handsomer, and wealthier. Crying about being outspent or getting less media attention only makes one come across as a whiner and does nothing to build a coalition.
11) Every moment screaming at somebody who is uninterested takes precious time away from some other person who may be receptive to a much calmer message.
12) No one has a monopoly on good ideas. Just because the young generation has the Internet does not mean they are smarter than their grandparents who are technologically challenged.
13) Silence is acquiescence. Anybody in a movement trafficking in racism, anti-Semitism, and other forms of group hatred will taint an entire movement unless that movement categorically and publicly rejects the haters. If a movement depends on haters to increase numbers, then the movement is sunk.
14) The American people are not imbeciles. When the election is over, the decision is respected. This is also the case for Supreme Court decisions. Our institutions are honorable, and our people are as well.
The fellow who spit in my eye was spoiling for a fight. I refused to fight him. I tried reasoned dialogue. It most likely fell on deaf ears, but a fistfight benefits in this situation benefits nobody. He will either keep lashing out and at some point self-destruct, or he will learn how to constructively enhance the political discourse.
So for those who still insist this is an anti-Paul bias, there is no hope.
For the billionth time, I have met Dr. Paul on a few occasions. He is funny, likable, engaging, intelligent, and very sharp. On many issues he makes complete sense to me. On a few issues, there is serious divergence.
If that alone is enough to make anybody apoplectic, then the enraged individual needs what the kids used to call a "chill pill."
Awhile back flak was given when referring to Paulbots. There are many reasonable Ron Paul supporters, but too many mindless automatons. They are the Paulbots. Awhile back their irrelevance was pointed out. That language was not harsh enough.
For those Ron Paul supporters who refuse to make the movement respectable and respectful, saying "you don't matter" ceases being good enough anymore.
You don't deserve to matter. The Constitution is either for all of us or none of us. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness does not require a vote for Ron Paul. For those wanting to spread the movement by force, it is you who are seeing the serious blowback from the no-longer silent majority.
You reaped what you sowed.
For those of you who ever engaged in or condoned identical or similarly destructive behavior to what was described, look in that mirror again.
For those demonizing people just for disagreeing with you, keep looking in that mirror.
That is the cancer in the Ron Paul movement. Remove it immediately.
One in the same agenda with a Bush/Romney/Obama appointee. Not sure what purpose your question serves.
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Finally....someone sees it. Smart lady here.
I most ardently agree.
And TerryK- why are you back on the RP supporter thing again? I can show you 100 videos that are a class act to every one you find silly/disgusting. The RP supporters have done a phenomenal job of exposing the RNC for what it is and all the illegal BS it is involved in.
If you would put your head where the sun shines, you see some shocking news about what has been done to legal caucuses where RP has won. He has enough states to be on the ballot and these states were won legally. But the RNC has chosen Mitt- he is their poster loser-boy because the plan is NOT to win.
So, all the rhetoric about "voting" and "keeping the commie Obama out of office" is just BS, because until Americans take back the voting process, it has already been decided for them.
TPTB just need YOU, and all the others who think in circle-jerks, to keep up the facade.
BTW- MDINMT- great job.
There is no spoon
Thanks, Bucko...
Go and every one vote Trump the Donald
I agree with you 100%. I notice they ignored my question that if Obama and Romney are both the same, in their minds, then why do they work so hard at demonizing Romney?
Why don't they just step back and let happen what they claim will happen no matter who is in DC?
I love that second video(didn't watch the first one) but they left one thing out. How they throw out the 'whose paying you?' to anyone who disagrees with them. Otherwise it may be highly sarcastic but it gets the point across of how people feel the second they come across a RP supporter. It is like how people feel when they see a JW at their door or in Michigan when a friend becomes an Amway distributor.
If you're living like there is no God.....you'd better be right.
OK. Forget Ron Paul. Completely off the table forever and ever amen.
Now---given the voter fraud for which the Dems are legendary, and the promised lawsuits against any state which uses voter ID, and the Spanish company "counting" the votes---how are all of you who are (reluctantly, I'll grant, but adamantly) voting for Romney so certain your votes are even going to be accurately counted and recorded?
Hate to rain on the parade but we don't have honest elections. It will no doubt be easier to blame that fact on faceless people in comboxes than to look at the reality, and the reality will NEVER change if we don't muster the courage to look at it and name it.
"You're not living in the story the world tells you you're living in. The story is not about the Clash of Civilizations, the March of Progress, the American Dream, the Rise of Civilization or the Struggle of Race, Class, and Gender. It's about the triumph of Jesus Christ in rescuing us from this passing world and bringing us into eternal ecstasy and perfection."---Mark Shea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
if you forget Ron Paul, Dems vs Republicans policy, each mans current income, the tax records, dollars, their legislation, politics, the age of the current batch of Supreme Court Justices who will need to be replaced probably by the next Presidential Administration, their religion, and just compare the moral fiber of each man.
Work Ethics
Friends
Family
and note that there isnt any similarity at all. You would have to choose Romney because he is a decent man.
I like that the Liberal P.C. media collapsed when the not politically correct Romney compared successful Israel and its culture and work ethics to failed Palestine mentioning the never-to-be-spoken word "consequences", and I hate that Obama feels his daughters will be punished with babies.
I like that Romney married the girl next door who has been his lifelong childhood sweetheart, wife, and mother to his children
I hate that Larry Sinclair was the tell-all homosexual Lover that almost wrecked the Obama's marriage, while Barrack was still a State Senator.
I like that Romney was able to rebuild the Olympics, do 2 years of Christian Mission to France, and graduated at the top of several Universities with multiple degrees in Law and Business and that he gives millions of dollars per year to his Church and his charities.
And i hate that Obamas only client while he was a practicing attorney was Acorn, that Obamas only mention of college was his ghost written autobiography Dreams FROM my father -> that he wrote that he was too stoned to recall any academic details, and that every one of his transcripts from birth to education to his global travel to Pakistan etc, passports travel is sealed and that records shown ie: birth certificate and draft card registration have all been proven to be fraudulent and that there are no explanations for his multiple use of numerous Social Security Numbers in his lifetime.
And I hate that Democrats have morphed from the Little Peoples Party to the Pelosi and Harry Reid and Eric Holder Party of Death, Homosexuality, Blood sacrifices on the Alter of Abortion, and body parts sales from abortion and the Senate with 3+ years now of not passing Legislation or Budgets and the JUST-US division creating racial strife not seen in 2 generations and a war on the Catholic Church, the Middle Class, and the Silent and Moral Majority.
Yes, I am voting for Romney, because he is a better man.
The Law Breaking, Flat Earth, Communist, Marxist, Muslim Obama administration does not represent me or any other family, Christian, Taxpayer, or Flag Waver.
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Against federal law, Harry Reid's Senate has not passed a budget for 1,205 days or, IOW, 3 years, 3 months, 18 days. It's not a matter of cutting the budget; it's a matter of having a budget to cut. Obama's submitted budget got ZERO dem or repub votes in the House or Senate so it's not a matter of repub obstructionism; it's Dirty Harry making sure that dem senators have election political cover. They don't want to go on record agreeing with Obama ridiculous budget requests that's for sure.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-in-99-0-vote/ & http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...-in-0-414-vote
Amazing - if you are awake, you have made your decision and it will not/can not be changed.
If you are clinging to a lost cause and just keep clinging, you're supporting this administration's Divide and Conquer strategy and helping them win. Black/white/queer/non-queer/muslim/non-muslim/demo/repub/red-pill/blue-pill/pc/non-pc, keep up the divided rhetoric and make your fellow Obamabots proud. And you are helping without even getting your $20 and a T-shirt like those seen on TV.
These threads are really becoming a waste of time because the same handful of messages are stated over and over again with no reasonable arguments beyond the obvious repetitions on any side.
Even the threads exposing new actions/positions by this administration are getting old and un-surprising. Nothing he does is a surprise anymore. The surprise will be what he does in the next 4 years.
The current state of affairs with the current administration is so, in your face obvious that any action other than 'firing' them is basically treasonous. 3rd party, write-ins or stay at home protests ain't gonna do it, this is between the top 2 names on the ballot and one is not Barack Obama.
Look back at history, the most impressive victories and societal changes were due to the actual DEFEAT of the opposition. In WWII if we had had discussions with the Russians as to our own philosophies and ideologies before allying against Germany, we would all be speaking German right now. We saw a common evil that was detrimental to us both and united to DEFEAT it. By design, class warfare neuters this type of unification, period (and this thread proves they are winning).
Without a actual defeat of the current administration, nothing said here or anywhere else will likely EVER MATTER AGAIN....
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